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The nomination of any group that fails voting of historical status should be moved from [[Category talk:Historical Groups]] to here.
The nomination of any group that fails voting of historical status should be moved from [[Category talk:Historical Groups]] to here. Archives for failed nominations prior to 2010 can be found [[:Category talk:Historical Groups/FailedArchive1|here]].
===[[Detulux_Inc]]===
[[Detulux_Inc]] has disbanded (per news banner on their [http://detuluxinc.proboards.com/index.cgi? forum]) but was a longtime presence in the Kempsterbank area, contributing much to the general fun level for survivor and zombie alike.
# Yes - Nominator vote. - {{User:Marcusfilby/sig}} 21:14, 17 October 2009 (BST)
#'''No''' - Who? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:16, 17 October 2009 (BST)
#'''Um''' Marcus you need to convince me. Although having [[SFHNAS|eaten]] them for a few years, Im more than aware of their existence, what have they done that is historical? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:23, 17 October 2009 (BST)
#'''No''' - Never heard of them. Oddly enough, never been to Kemsterbank either. Historical groups need to ahve exuded their fame beyond their suburb.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 22:09, 17 October 2009 (BST)
#:Which is a bit weird, since they (histr. groups) usually only get specifically mentioned in suburbs they were active in.--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 23:53, 17 October 2009 (BST)
#::General historical (namely this page and the associated category) have traditionally been separate from suburb historical. Some groups that have never passed here have been placed in the historical section of suburb pages due to the consensus of their input there rather than the game as a whole to gain the nod through this process. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:58, 17 October 2009 (BST)
#'''No''' - Who?--{{User:Drawde/Sig}} 22:27, 17 October 2009 (BST)
#'''No''' - Calling these guys nobodies would be a massive overestimation of their significance. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 22:53, 17 October 2009 (BST)
#'''No''' - I'll second Yonnua, Drawde, Iscariot and the Hierophant. --Goa'uld 0:04, 18 October 2009 (MET)
#'''No''' - I have been playing this game for years and i just head about you all. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 23:18, 17 October 2009 (BST)
#'''No''' - as moloch. --[[User:Johnny Bass|Papa Johnny]] 01:02, 18 October 2009 (BST)
#'''Yes''' I originally Led the [[Knights Templar|KT]], and they came to K-Bank just after I quit the group, and just before I took a hiatus from the game. All these years later,... I still know who they are by the mere mention of their name. If I'm not mistaken, they were active in a couple suburbs prior to going to Kempster. -[[User:Poodle of doom|Poodle of doom]] 01:17, 18 October 2009 (BST)
#<s>'''Yes''' - If poodle of doom vouches for them they must be worthy of historical status, surely? It increases the validity of the bid greatly, so yes from me.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 01:51, 18 October 2009 (BST)</s>
#:wait no, I'm totally lying, he makes it so much more '''no''' worthy, SORRY LOL--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 01:52, 18 October 2009 (BST)
#'''No''' - A group, yes; with a presence, yes; of historical significance, not quite. --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 02:00, 18 October 2009 (BST)
#'''No''' - As the Papas. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Indigo}}-- 02:17, 18 October 2009 (BST)
#'''LOLWUT???''' - --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:33, 18 October 2009 (BST)
#'''...No.''' {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 09:40, 18 October 2009 (BST)
#'''No''' - Not historically significant. {{User:Rorybob/Sig}}09:43, 18 October 2009 (BST)
#'''Yes'''- 0have you people not seen [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Image:DetInt.jpg this image]??{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:47, 18 October 2009 (BST)
#'''No''' - Sorry.  It looks like you were a fun group and I enjoy your wiki page, but even as a zombie who spent some time in Kempsterbank I didn't know about you.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 10:40, 18 October 2009 (BST)
#ALiM, you've got me convinced. I vote '''Yes''' on that picture alone. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 12:30, 18 October 2009 (BST)~
#:I don't think anyone's actually called me alim before. I mean i practically ''am'' alim, but to be called it - what an honour sire! {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:09, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''No''' --{{User:OrangeGaf/Sig}} 16:08, 18 October 2009 (BST)-
#'''No''' Sorry but just being fun doesn't make it historic. For that you need to make a really big impact on the game and just being big in 1 'burb doesn't quite cut it for me. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 08:08, 20 October 2009 (BST)
#'''No'''  I thought they disbanded and were nominated a long time ago. [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 20:16, 21 October 2009 (BST)
#'''No''' as everyone else.. or convince me that urban dead really is fun.----[[User:Sexualharrison|Sexualharrison]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] [[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]] 11:06, 22 October 2009 (BST)
#The ONLY time I've ever heard of them was through Recent Changes stalking.<font color=white>it doesn't help that I haven't played the game in ages and when I did I never payed attention to anything but the target</font>--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 14:44, 22 October 2009 (BST)
#'''No''' - We came to kill them at their "HQ" once and no one was there. :sadface: --[[User:Blanemcc|Blanemcc]] 16:38, 22 October 2009 (BST)
#'''No''' - Haven't even heard of them before now. --{{User:N0RDAK/Sig}} 00:17, 23 October 2009 (BST)
#'''No''' - I have heard of this group, but I don't see them receiving the historical status.  --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 02:09, 23 October 2009 (BST)
#'''No''' - As...uhm...everyone. {{User:Met fan/sig}} 03:32, 23 October 2009 (BST)
#'''No''' - I have never heard of them.--[[User:Roland|Roland]] 01:35, 25 October 2009 (BST)
#'''No''' - ORLY? I've been at Kempsterbank for over 4 years and never dealt with this group other than seeing their annoying propaganda and spraypainting my sweet home over and over. --[[User:Moogoogaipoo|Moogoogaipoo]] 01:43, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
#'''No''' - For all the above mentioned reasons. -- [[User:DarthRevan|DarthRevan]] 06:24, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


Voting is over. This group has '''failed''' to be added to the category of historical groups. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:23, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
===[[Umbrella Corporation]]===
*[[Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Service]]
*[[U.B.C.S. Merc-for-hire]]
**Umbrella Corporation and it's subgroups hava a long history with Urban Dead starting way back in early 2006 Umbrella Corporation Recent Events [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Umbrella_Corporation/Recent_Events] [[Umbrella Corporation/History]]. During it's prime it had substantial presence in [[Molebank]], [[Shearbank]], lastly [[Ruddlebank]] and the surrounding burbs Geographic Influence of the Umbrella Corporation[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Umbrella_Corporation/Geographic_Influence_of_the_Umbrella_Corporation]. Historically Umbrella Corporation has never acted alone, working alongside many groups including others that are no longer with Urbandead [[Umbrella Corporation/Alliance Archive]]. Umbrella Corporation is true to its common public image and has been a target of those seeking intrigue, malevolence, power, corruption and other role playing aspects popular with the group. At its peak of influence the group faced it's greatest adversity when it became the target of hackers, zergers and slanderers followed with emotional losses of core members and facilities yet it still managed to survive even with the continued aforementioned attacks. The fall of the Fourth Era was a precursor for events to come including a war with it's own subgroup. Umbrella Corporation has also contributed to spicing up the wiki with member original content for what would mostly be empty pages: [[Corp Boulevard Railway Station (Ruddlebank)]], [[Factory 53,29]], [[Handley Towers]], [[The Holmes Arms]], [[The Nisbet Building]] and [[The Rush Building]] As well as a large collection of excellent templates [[User:Cody Mac/Templates2]].--{{User:Jackson/Sig}} 23:48, 14 November 2012 (UTC)


===[[The Dead]]===
Traditionally those nominating groups write a short paragraph explaining why they have nominated said groups. --[[User talk:Rosslessness|Ross Less Ness]] <sup>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERLLUoZn0mM Enter Stranger...]</sup>  23:12, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
:that usually applies to groups that have some accomplishments in game tho.--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>23:28, 14 November 2012 </small>
::Should I remove them? Since they were absorbed into our group I thought the these pages should be represented as well.--{{User:Jackson/Sig}} 23:55, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
:Aren't these separate groups? Some of us chose not to pay attention to the drama-bomb that exploded with them, so I have no clue which groups are sub-groups are separate. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:32, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
Can I start this over or something? I misunderstood the voting. I thought people would be voting for each unique page. I'm simply representing Umbrella Corporation, I'm not here to represent the other subgroups that were absorbed into us. Just thought it was part of the measure of voting to include those groups with us.--{{User:Jackson/Sig}} 00:21, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
:You can try again a week after the voting ends if you really want, but I seriously doubt you'll get a friendlier welcome next time. Anything with the name "Umbrella" in it (with a [[Umbrella_(Musical_Group)|handful]] of [[Umbrella_(Accessory)|exceptions]]) tends to get a rather visceral reaction from most folks, based on what I've seen over the years. Since I missed most of the original drama, I don't entirely understand it all, but I wouldn't bet on making it into Historical Groups unless you can cite something that's actually historical. I.e. Something that changed the way the game was played. You may have accomplished more than some groups, but most of those groups came earlier and came up with ideas that altered the course of the game in some way. Without being able to show that you did so, it's hard to succeed in getting through these days. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 04:46, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
::Thank you for your sympathetic response. I guess I'm not the man to do this. Surprisingly (or not) I did most of the coding for anything Umbrella related on the wiki with the exception of templates. It was a lot of time spent that I hoped to be preserved. When the second Era ended our history was deleted from the internets by those who seized control in the Third Era. It's really the stigma of Umbrella Corporation. It's a lot of fun to role play it out but didn't translate well with ends not justifying means. The incident in which the majority are basing their decisions off of was with a character player named Haliman111. I'll spare details that lead to the "drama", but he was a fine addition to our group at the time and a great adversary at the end of it all. Same cannot be said for those who destroyed our forum or erased our history. Around six years our groups involvement in-game. I'd like to think that we did something, but perhaps I will simply be left to thoughts.--{{User:Jackson/Sig}} 20:52, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
You should have contacted me Jackson, even though I could have told you in advance this attempt would have stood no chance at all, and while Umbrella is something of a long closed book to me, I wouldn't have minded writing a decent overview of the group's shaded past that I knew of. Even though even I personally lean on "No", right now this bid doesn't do the group justice. Perhaps I'll try to write something better, if only to serve as a counterweight to some of the more predictable criticism. -- [[Image:Cat Pic.png|14px]] [[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''Thadeous Oakley''']]</span> [[User_Talk:MisterGame|<span style= "color: black; background-color: white">'''''Talk''''']]</span>  10:27, 16 November 2012 (UTC) 


[[The Dead]] destroyed a good deal of Urban Dead during '08 and are no longer an active group, they had a massive effect on the game and therefore deserve status as one of the '''Historical Groups'''.--[[User:Super Nweb|Super Nweb]] 02:55, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
:This proposal wasn't authorized by the current leadership of Umbrella Corporation. Although I have great doubts that this'll go through (Yes, I understand our shady history); I would like to say that Jackson no longer represents UC as a whole, he hasn't for quite some time. Although we are largely inactive, we still continue on as unnoticeable mist... I, as the current legitimate Chairman of the Board, CEO; in no shape way or form condone Umbrella Corporation (Or it's sub-groups) being nominated for historical status. That being said, I shall vote as such below. --{{User:Fanglord2/sig}}, 16:01, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
::If the group is still active in part, then this isn't even a valid nomination (see rule #6 above). {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 16:05, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
:::Then it's decided, this nomination isn't valid.... Just another tarnish on our public relations record I'm afraid. --{{User:Fanglord2/sig}}, 17:17, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
::::oh look umbrella infighting and drama.. go figure. now thad has to start zerging again and it's pre 2009 all over again.--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>13:56, 17 November 2012 </small>


====Yes====
====Yes====
#Yes - My nomination!--[[User:Super Nweb|Super Nweb]] 02:56, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' As stated above.You want to belittle us? I can pull at least five names of other groups we've accomplished more than those in the historical groups section.--{{User:Jackson/Sig}} 23:48, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
#:I'm calling. Name 'em.--[[User:RadicalWhig|RadicalWhig]] 01:57, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
#::The grammar is not strong with you. I second the call. Show your hand. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 04:16, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
#:::I'd like to see this too! --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 11:55, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
#::::ditto! in fact i demand it!--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>13:06, 15 November 2012 </small>
#:::::Five demands, call five groups and motivate those calls. {{User:Peralta/Signature}} 13:11, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
#::::::Make that six. In fact, toss in a sixth group as an added bonus if you want! You said you can name at least five, so that should mean you can name a little more than five as well! --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 14:42, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
#:::::::I, too, wish to know which groups have slipped in on a poorer recommendation than any of the Umbrella groups. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 15:07, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
#::::::::...Aaaaand the bluff is officially empty. Pack it home, folks.--[[User:RadicalWhig|RadicalWhig]] 22:40, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
#: Personally I don't think "these guys are worse than us" should be a reason to merit inclusion {{User:CrunchyCake/Sig}} 15:45, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
#::If such documented history (Umbrella Corporation Recent Events [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Umbrella_Corporation/Recent_Events]) is not enough to impress then I willfully concede our faults and apologize for wasting each of your valuable time. Much of our personal history was lost after the end of our Second Era.--{{User:Jackson/Sig}} 20:37, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
#:::It is not. --[[Image:Kirsty_Cotton_Header.png|60px|Open the Box|link=User:Kirsty_cotton]] <sub>[[Organization_XIII|<span style="color: grey">Org XIII</span>]]</sub> <sup>[[User:Kirsty_cotton/alts|<span style="color: blue">Alts</span>]]</sup> 20:51, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
#:::::i'm still waiting for thad to chime in.--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>05:05, 16 November 2012 </small>


====No====
====No====
#Far from inactive. It would have taken 1 second to find the largest group on the [http://www.urbandead.com/stats.html stats] page. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 04:59, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
#'''NO WAY''' what has this group ever done except be a target for pkers and drama? there is nothing original at all here. yet anther fail survivor group based on a shity zombie movie and a so so video game. get bent.--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>23:19, 14 November 2012 </small>
#There should be vandalism criteria for non group members proposing groups still on the stats page. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 05:53, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
#'''Spam''' Seriously <s>Ross</s> Jackson, stop trolling.  --[[Image:Kirsty_Cotton_Header.png|60px|Open the Box|link=User:Kirsty_cotton]] <sub>[[Organization_XIII|<span style="color: grey">Org XIII</span>]]</sub> <sup>[[User:Kirsty_cotton/alts|<span style="color: blue">Alts</span>]]</sup> 23:29, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
#As DDR. The [[March of the Dead]] may be a historical ''event'', but that's not really my call. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 06:50, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
#'''No''' <s>1) You're too lazy to even write up reasons why these groups should be included,</s> (Didn't know, not going to hold it against them)  2) I know little about these groups and what I do know isn't good {{User:CrunchyCake/Sig}} 23:42, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
#As above. Should we introduce IQ testing before people can propose things on this wiki? --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 07:40, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
#: I've read what you've put and even looked into some of these links. It's not particularly impressive trying to show off what you've done with broken links and I'm really struggling to see what sort of achievements you've actually acomplished. The history page is rather scant filled with what I can only call fluff (2 operations? and even then not particularly well documented - the 2nd in particular is highly confusing as to what you actually did). I remain unconvinced. {{User:CrunchyCake/Sig}} 07:05, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
#Who? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:07, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
#:: I "fixed" the links. Would you mind removing the comment about being lazy? I didn't know I was allowed to post a brief paragraph and my wiki skills are lacking.--{{User:Jackson/Sig}} 20:37, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
#What? Not inactive.--{{User:Drawde/Sig}} 21:19, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
#I think in its heyday, I saw some graffiti around about UBCS, but unfortunately that was about it. Yeah, I'm sure you guys were around, but I really can't say with confidence that I ever had any experience with your group besides on the wiki (bad things). {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/a}} 00:14, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
#For the love of...[[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 23:44, 29 March 2009 (BST)
#Famous for zerging and other miscellaneous douchebaggery. Nothing else. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 00:25, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
#:Whoa whoa whoa whoa. "...zerging and other miscellaneous douchebaggery..." Can you site any of that? Sounds like you are all basing your biased decisions on something that happened back in early 2009. Not reflecting on anything prior or post as if that is what defined this group. Are you freakin kidding me?--{{User:Jackson/Sig}} 01:15, 15 November 2012 (UTC)  
#::No one said that was all you did.  It's just the only thing you did well enough to be noticed.  So for almost everyone outside of the group(s), all they know is zerging and crying. --[[Image:Kirsty_Cotton_Header.png|60px|Open the Box|link=User:Kirsty_cotton]] <sub>[[Organization_XIII|<span style="color: grey">Org XIII</span>]]</sub> <sup>[[User:Kirsty_cotton/alts|<span style="color: blue">Alts</span>]]</sup> 15:49, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
#::This is called, "Historical Groups". As such, any history, even the ones from early 2009, is vital history about the groups. As such, we're making our opinions based on the groups' history, and what parts of it stands out. Sadly, the bad history stands out a lot more than the good. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 15:59, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
#Moloch nailed it. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 00:33, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
#'''Nope.''' Your given reasons can be summed up thus- "We played the game, had some drama and made a few wiki edits." Great, now how about something the rest of us didn't do too? Also, your only legacy is as a drama magnet, and what little contact I've had with Umbrella only supported that. Pretty sure trollbait doesn't count as historical.--[[User:RadicalWhig|RadicalWhig]] 01:16, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
#'''No''' - As Harrison and Moloch. I will say however, you did end up [[User:DT/Tidbits#umbrella|contributing to my UserPage]], so thank you for that. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 02:04, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
#::Much understated with such humor but that really made me laugh.--{{User:Jackson/Sig}} 20:14, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Insert belittling comment here. --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 05:14, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
#'''Nope''' - I'm amazed by their high opinion of themselves though! --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 11:55, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
#'''HA HA HA''' OH WOW --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 19:06, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
#K, well, I held off for awhile, but I still haven't seen or heard anything particularly historical, so nope. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 19:08, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
#Got its chance, no way. {{User:Peralta/Signature}} 22:21, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
#'''No references to stupid video games should ever be historical''' zerg, I guess? I dunno, I just blanket accuse people--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 23:32, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
#'''Absolutely no, see my reasons above. --{{User:Fanglord2/sig}}, 16:01, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
#Group still active, so '''categorically not historical'''. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 03:36, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
#ahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha lolno --{{User:Drawde/Sig}} 17:52, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


*Group is active, therefore not eligible for inclusion as a '''Historical''' Group. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 19:23, 19 April 2009 (BST)
I assume this was '''Withdrawn'''? --[[User talk:Rosslessness|Ross Less Ness]] <sup>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERLLUoZn0mM Enter Stranger...]</sup>  16:26, 4 December 2012 (UTC)


===[[Monroeville Many]]===
===[[Regulators Alliance]]===
How interesting. None of the guidelines for this page mention it needing to be a group from [[Malton]]. Because of this Dear Sirs, I'd Like to Nominate the ''''Monroeville Many'''.
The Regulators Alliance was based out of Dartside.  The RA, initially was the group name. Over time we evolved into an alliance, the original members still carried the RA in their name, but newer members were not required to do so;  As such we had many groups which fell into the umbrella of the alliance, but weren't necessarily Regulators themselves.  The groups listed on our page, included both allies (separate groups entirely) and alliance members.  While the RA was together Dartside stayed safe, and kept to the original founding members mission of establishing a place where survivors could be safe.  The RA was the main group in Dartside until their disbanding. The RA had a reputation for being fair, regardless of affiliations.  Pk'ers who moved through Dartside but did not attack members were allowed to move through untouched.  Groups who wanted to call Dartside home were encouraged and helped.  To this day, the 57th ADMI is still in Dart and maintains a presence.  If the RA has a legacy, then they would be a part of it.  I understand just because a group was around for awhile doesn't mean they deserve this; but I think the RA does.  We dedicated our time and talent to not only securing Dartside, but we maintained the area, and helped our allies whenever they needed help.  Our connections to other groups, went much farther then just Dartside, as we maintained many friendships throughout Malton, which included not just other survivor groups but some pk'er groups as well.  I will happy to answer any questions, and I appreciate everyone taking the time to vote and comment, thanks.  Thanks to Aichon as well for helping me with the page. [[User:John Blast|John Blast]] 21:59, 22 October 2012 (BST)
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One of the "Big 4" Hordes of [[Monroeville]] the MM was founded by [[User:Acoustic Pie|Two]] [[User:Rosslessness|Fools]] with no prior knowledge of the zombie side of Urban Dead. Early successes were good, and by the end of Monroeville's first Month they became the first recorded horde to breach a Mall (Archway). After this they swang south and donated 30 zombies to [[The Fall of Monroeville Mall]], before assisting in the destruction of Drummond Mall.
====Yes====
# Rage against the machine. Perhaps not the most glamorous of groups, nor the most glamourous of suburbs, I still think RA had a pretty sizable impact on the history of Dartside from 2006-2009. Yeah, its localized history, but I still see it as history, and hopefully it won't be forgotten. -[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 21:57, 22 October 2012 (BST)


During the permaheadshot era the MM continued to attack the north of Newtown despite heavy losses.
====No====
 
#Who the fuck..? --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 16:32, 22 October 2012 (BST)
Once headshot was revoked the group resumed its mini mall tour, helping to destroy Spaulding and reruining spearing before slowly chewing its way through Newtown.
#:The [[Regulators Alliance]]. Who were apparently strongly regulated allies, or strongly allied regulators. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 16:44, 22 October 2012 (BST)
 
#The only groups I recognize in this alliance is the Night Ravers and the Thundercats... but thats because I griefed them. Seriously, you can't have a character called Anime Princess GoGo and not have me grief you--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 17:55, 22 October 2012 (BST)
Have a look at the wiki. There are a number of entries by people claiming the Monroeville Many ruined their safehouse, or ruined their mall and infected them. In some of these cases we weren't even in the same suburb. It seems even are name was enough to scare them. Is anything in Monroeville Historic?
#:I think those groups are their allies; the RA is a separate group and not an alliance of survivor groups. -[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 18:43, 22 October 2012 (BST)
 
#::Or they were back in the day. Guess they evolved into an alliance more recently. -[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 22:04, 22 October 2012 (BST)
Perhaps.
# '''誰ですか?(Daredesuka?)''' - In English...Who? --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 18:42, 22 October 2012 (BST)
 
#First of all, as Moloch. Second, unless you wrote a book called ''Finnegans Wake'', you must learn to use the apostrophe. --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 18:58, 22 October 2012 (BST)
Why not vote, tell us what you think. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:53, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
#Unfortunately I've never, or if so, ''very'' rarely heard of you. I fear historical groups may be in a different league. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/a}} 22:18, 22 October 2012 (BST)
 
#As DDR. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:43, 22 October 2012 (BST)
==== Yes (Monroeville Many) ====
#Looking at the list, the only member group that I would view as potentially eligible for historical status is Tikhon Medical (who have been around for a long time, and had at times a large member roster). And even Tikhon is already a borderline case. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 22:51, 22 October 2012 (BST)
#'''Yes'''. Indeed. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:53, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
#First of all, who? Second, the reasons given are "we made friends and protected a suburb". Congrats, everyone else in the survivor meta did that too. Third, who?--[[User:RadicalWhig|RadicalWhig]] 23:56, 22 October 2012 (BST)
#'''Yes''' omg epic win is epic. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 23:06, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
#Never even heard of them. --{{User:RenegadeRomero/Sig}} 01:55, 23 October 2012 (BST)
#'''Yes'''. But add it to a different category, like [[:Category:Monroeville Historical Groups]] --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 23:15, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
#as whig--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>06:05, 23 October 2012 </small>
#:And what a small category it will be. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 23:16, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
#All of the above.--{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 13:55, 23 October 2012 (BST)
#::Would probably be smarter to put all non-Malton historical groups into the same category. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 23:19, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
#No. --[[User:Hibernaculum|Hibernaculum]] 02:25, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 23:19, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
#Who? NO!--[[User:Akbar|Akbar]] 03:58, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
#'''Indeed''' - It's true. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 23:36, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Yep''' - I'm still alive, Monroeville Many.... --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 23:37, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
#:I know. There's still some of you cheeky blighters left.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 23:42, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - Although there shouldn't be a new category. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 23:47, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 01:36, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - Never played in Monroeville but I know all about these guys.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:38, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - As above. --{{User:Lithedarkangel/signature}} 03:25, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - The first group that comes to mind when I think of Monroeville.  --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 09:03, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Oui''' - Unfortunately, you have to give Monroeville some perspective. It occurred in a shorter timeframe, on a smaller scale, with smaller numbers. Were the MM historical to their setting? Though they may pale to the might of the [[RRF]] or [[FU]], they were historical in their own right, amoungst their own city. Therefore, I vote yes. --[[User:Pyrranha|Pyrranha]] 23:23, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - As Hagnat. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:58, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' we are the Many --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[User:Duke Garland/BHW|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 17:12, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - From what I hear. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:27, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
#:<s>Yes.</s> ''(Non-vote striken) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 09:50, 23 January 2009 (UTC)''
#'''Oh yes''' - Good times Ross, good times. Hope it's all going well in Borehamwood for you all. {{User:Acoustic_Pie/Sig}} 19:21, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 14:24, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' One minute people were laughing behind their cades, the next they were lunch and the survivors were screaming "the many are coming... run!" Anyone who played Monroeville heard of them which is more than can be said for many other nominee's.--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 09:22, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' We had a great time leading them in a wild goose chase all over Mville, other than that they were a force to be reckoned worth.--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 22:40, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - I led one of the other Monroeville hordes, the MM were the only one to take the server completely seriously and play relentlessly. Also the idea of a new category is retarded, is anyone really going to get the impression for the page or the fucking group name that this was a Malton group? Their historical status should not be detracted from, place them in the normal category with the rest of the groups. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 08:41, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - The Many made a big difference in Monroeville. If there's going to be a history for Monroeville, which there should be, then the Monroeville Many are a definite part of it. --[[User:Necrofeelinya|Necrofeelinya]] 09:19, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - As above, more so because Harrison voted '''No'''.--{{User:Labine50/sig}} 15:46, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 
==== No (Monroeville Many) ====
 
#'''No''' --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 I jizzed in my pants]  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 02:55, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
#To me, I feel that Monoreville's different rules made it easier for zombies. It is true that permaheadshot is terrible, but at all times, survivors had to deal with permadeath as well. Since the game was, IMHO, titled towards zombies, I'm not sure as to it being historical.--[[User:ShadowScope|ShadowScope]]<sup>[[User:Kevan|'the true enemy']]</sup> 15:24, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''NO''' there should be a new category.----[[User:Sexualharrison|Sexualharrison]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] [[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]] 16:26, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''No''' It may be impressive, but it's not historical, and if it passes, IMHO there should be a new category .( although I have never voted before, I felt compelled on this one)--[[User:Psychotic Pantomime|Psychotic Pantomime]] 17:48, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''No''' - As above. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 18:06, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''No''' - what did they do besides be big?--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 21:21, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
#:Erm stuff. Rampaged through every suburb, ate people. What kind of thing do you want? Helped to destroy every mall in the whole city apart from Miracle Mile Mall. Seemed good enough to get the mall tours historical. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:30, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''No''' - As the rest. -- {{User:BlackReaper/sig}} 18:42, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''No''' I'm not convinced [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 22:58, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''No''' As above. [[User:Sanpedro|Sanpedro]] 04:20, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''No'''' There is only one The Many. --[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]'''  <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 17:42, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
#:Fair enough. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:14, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''No''' --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 05:12, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''No''' -It's not historical, impressive as many say but not historical. --[[User:Firetwig|Firetwig]] <sup>[[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup> 07:17, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Huge, mediocre group was huge and mediocre. --{{User:WOOT/sig}} 01:46, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
#:Out of curiosity which monroeville group were above mediocre? Because frankly I thought that the MM had the best chance of gaining historicalness. Or is it the whole of monroeville you find unhistoric? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:32, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
#::The whole fucking town was mediocre, the zombies, the groups, etc. --{{User:WOOT/sig}} 03:27, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
#:<s>"No""= As woot says.</s> Unsigned. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:41, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Monroeville wasn't historical and neither was this group. {{User:Lemonhead7t7/Sig}} 22:18, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
#:Edit: I tend not to vote yes when the historical bid was put up by a leader/member, and when that person argues with people saying no :\ {{User:Lemonhead7t7/Sig}} 22:21, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
#::Your mother is a dirty whore--{{User:WOOT/sig}} 01:33, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
#:::Aww don't be hatin' baby! {{User:Lemonhead7t7/Sig}} 01:58, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
#::::I'm arguing? Random. Looked like two questions and a fair enough to me. Or by posting here, now am I arguing? I appear to be stuck in a loop. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:08, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 
*'''Voting Failed''' - 22 For : 14 Against. Not quite 2/3rds. Sorry. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:28, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 
===[[Viva La Revolution]]===
 
Because sometimes, it isn't just the great groups that are historical, nor the good, nor the truly destructive. Sometimes, groups achieve historicity in an entirely seperate field - the field of failure.
 
Once upon a time, the [[User:Darkmagic|First Revolutionary]] went around [[Malton]] saying things like "''Now it is time for malton to stand up, all of the living malton to stand up, defeat the zombie scurge and unite!''".
 
Then, a bold [[User:Darkmagic|wiki-user]] tried to spread the word of this revolution on the wiki. Sometimes, in his zeal, he would [[Talk:Viva_La_Revolucion#Comrades.21|forget which revolution was his]]. In time, the Revolution gained some [[User:Yodae_god|members]], who made [[Viva_La_Revolution#Recent_events|stirring speeches]] like this: "''I have killed another zombie to make my death toll 14. The zombies won't stop going to the fort. Maybe more people should be posted outside the fort than inside.''"


Despite such innovative tactics, the group failed to make much of an impact in-game. However, [[User:Darkmagic|Darkmagic's]] tireless campaigning on the wiki, coupled with the vast gulf between what they set out to accomplish and what they actually made happen, make them the true standard for comic failure - the ''Plan 9 from Outer Space'' of UD groups. --[[User:Bob_Fortune|Sir Bob Fortune]] <sup>[[Red Rum|RR]]</sup> 18:53, 24 July 2008 (BST)
'''Failed'''. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/a}} 08:36, 10 November 2012 (UTC)


# '''Yes''' - I said it before, and I don't think I can say it better. So I'll say it again: ''"Viva' was truly revolutionary in, as you (Bob) say, its level of epically comic failure. Oh the hilariously grandiose mission statement. The gibbering Talk-page trolling. The general non-sequitur trenchcoatery. And oh TEH BUTCHERY of the English language... Historical for sure."'' --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 19:06, 24 July 2008 (BST)
===[[Team Xtreme]]===
#'''No''' - Yes I heard of you, but I seen nothing special from you. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 19:45, 24 July 2008 (BST)
[[Team Xtreme]] - Having been a Pker for a long time and seen a lot of things in this game, I will say that as far as Bhers go, and I've seen a lot, these guys were one of the best I've encountered. They were an early adversary and served as a bit of measuring stick for ones that followed. I still remember these guys putting up a tougher challenge with less than half the players 'The Saints' had. A rare Bher group that you, as a Pker, didn't want to see much of but you respected them. A small but very effective group who often took on challenges rather than cower from them. Well organized, well lead and well known to those who stuck with the game for more than a month. --[[User:Hibernaculum|Hibernaculum]] 01:29, 4 July 2012 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - I remember these guys, they asked us (Randoms) to join their revolution ages ago. I think we decided to see what became of it and heard nothing since. Just purely because of the total epic failure this group should be historical. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 19:58, 24 July 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' '''EPIC''' truly and for real... seriously. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[TBA]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 20:18, 24 July 2008 (BST)
#'''HELL NO''' they have done zip, the page should be deleted and burned for all the typos and misspelling and I've now lost all respect for you conndraka. shame on you.----[[User:Sexualharrison|Sexualharrison]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] [[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]] 20:22, 24 July 2008 (BST)
#:Wait, you had respect for Conn in the first place? O_o -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:27, 24 July 2008 (BST)
#::So you have respect for Conn but not for me, eh?  I must think about doing things Conn's way...  --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 20:28, 24 July 2008 (BST)
#:::well i hate you both now. happy?----[[User:Sexualharrison|Sexualharrison]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] [[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]] 22:47, 29 July 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' As above. Sorta. The burning part though. -- {{User:BlackReaper/sig}} 23:17, 24 July 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Until he says otherwise. --[[User:Macampos|Private Mark]] 23:33, 24 July 2008 (BST)
#'''YES''' - God yes. Fucking epic. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Sir Topaz]] <sup>[[Daily Ruminations|DR]] ♣ [[The Gardeners|GR]]</sup> 23:56, 24 July 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - I have never, ever heard of them. This group made no impact on the game at all by the bids own description. Funny doesnt make it magically qualify. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 23:58, 24 July 2008 (BST)
#:You never heard of them? Where the fuck were you last year, Grim? Oh yeah, too busy making wiki drama and not participating in any of the major events -- survivor ''or'' zombie... And, this bid isn't about what they did ''in-game'', it's about their contributions to "UD culture"... Which in this case, as Bob has explained, is something akin UD's version of Plan 9 From Outer Space -- which will be remembered and honoured forever. And rightly so. For all the wrong reasons, but still rightly so... Just like Viva' fully deserves Historical status. For all the wrong reasons, but they deserve it nonetheless. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:55, 25 July 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - This guy was such a pain in the ass. If someone writes an introductory paragraph for Viva's wiki explaining why (utter failure) the group should be historical, I'll vote yes. --[[User:Paddy Dignam|Paddy Dignam]] 00:32, 25 July 2008 (BST)
#:I thought about this, actually... I understand your point. And, now, I promise I am done spamming the votes with re:'s. '':P'' --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 11:07, 25 July 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Like the one below, this group is more Hysterical than Historical. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 01:33, 25 July 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - If one group deserves to be historical based on the joke of epic failure, it is this. Or one of the other 'revolution' groups. <u><big>[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">D</span>]]</big><nowiki>ance</nowiki><big>[[User Talk:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:lime;font-weight:bold">D</span>]]</big><nowiki>ance</nowiki><big>[[User:DanceDanceRevolution/media|<span style="color:Aqua;font-weight:bold">R</span>]]</big>evolution</u> 06:52, 25 July 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 15:50, 25 July 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' Who now?--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 21:32, 25 July 2008 (BST)
#:Ho down?--{{User:WOOT/sig}} 16:53, 7 August 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' and i ask those who are voting no to get the bucket out of their heads... it might show a whole new perspective of a world for them --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 23:37, 25 July 2008 (BST)
#:I live in a giant bucket.. there is a difference ;) --{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 23:44, 25 July 2008 (BST)
# Oh yes. It certainly affected many people - talk page spam can be quite irritating. And he talked to everyone. It was an un-group which was held together by badly spelled adverts. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 01:26, 26 July 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Not noteworthy enough to warrant historical status.  {{User:BillyClubThorton/signature}} 12:20, 26 July 2008 (BST)
#'''YES''' - They max deserve the historical awesomeness. --[[User:Duke cage|Duke cage]] 16:54, 27 July 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Not historical [[User:Sanpedro|Sanpedro]] 07:52, 28 July 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - mmm. nope! being a failure doesn't qualify for a history records. --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[LCD|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 10:27, 30 July 2008 (BST)
#:Sometimes it does. Eddie the Eagle, for instance. Or Vanilla Ice. --[[User:Bob_Fortune|Sir Bob Fortune]] <sup>[[Red Rum|RR]]</sup> 19:30, 30 July 2008 (BST)
#::or Fridtjof Nansen --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:35, 30 July 2008 (BST)
#:{{s|'''Yes''' - Sometimes, hilarity is a valid reason.}} <small>Unsigned vote struck. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 19:11, 30 July 2008 (BST)</small>
#:{{s|'''no''' - i don't think bad groups deserve to be given historical status.}}
#'''No''' - Viva La Revolution did exactly nothing in it's time, and had no effect on the game.--{{User:Axe27/Sig}} 17:38, 5 August 2008 (BST)
#'''Sure''' - Epic Failure can be pretty Historical...--{{User:WOOT/sig}} 16:53, 7 August 2008 (BST)
<s># '''No''' - Plain and simple. [[User:Illusionist|Illusionist]] 03:13, 10 August 2008 (BST)</s> (Vote striken: past 2 week voting period) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 16:21, 14 August 2008 (BST)


'''Failed.''' 10 votes For, 12 Votes Against. 45%/55%% For/Against. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 16:24, 14 August 2008 (BST)
===[[The Imperium]]===
One of the longest standing groups based on a non UD idea as its very foundations. Operated in Gibsonton for roughly two years, relitivly well known in certain circles (partly due to the infamous [[ The Imperium Must Die]]) but also for several other reasons. Lost and was split apart because of it. No active members remain and have not done for some time. Its ideas will hopefully forever be visable to all, as it was the first and only group of its kind and magnitude.. -- [[User:Max890|Max890]] 01:12, 23 July 2008 (BST)
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====Yes (Team Xtreme)====


#'''No''' - Group was defined by their disbandment, that is not reason for historical status. Also, we need a template for this page. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:19, 23 July 2008 (BST)
# Nominator Vote - [[User:Hibernaculum|Hibernaculum]] 01:39, 4 July 2012 (BST)
#:Though due to everyone's sheepish nature mine is the only vote that actually counts at the moment -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:01, 25 July 2008 (BST)
#At least I can say I got the final shot against Josh Clark. He was a good man. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 02:12, 4 July 2012 (BST)
#::Actually, not even your vote is valid as it's not in a voting section. Numbering the votes without having different sections for different votes would be pointless anyway. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 21:32, 25 July 2008 (BST)
# Happy birthday! :D --{{User:Hashk/sig}} 02:14, 4 July 2012 (BST)
#:::I invite you to point out why my vote is invalid. My vote is the only one formatted correctly due to the rules of this page. As a voter, and not the nominator, I am not required or compelled by policy or precedent to form the relevant sections. Therefore, according to the voting rules of this page, and established precedent mine is the only valid vote. Anyone altering another's vote will be taken to A/VB for impersonation. All other votes should be struck by a sysop as mandated by the rules box you see to the right. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:34, 26 July 2008 (BST)
# Yes.. lol --[[User:Carrie Cutter|Carrie Cutter]] 02:17, 4 July 2012 (BST)
#::::Stop nitpicking. It's irrelevant red tape and that is certainly not impersonation, when someone feels the need to they can reformat the list tag but they don't need to and it doesn't invalidate votes.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:42, 26 July 2008 (BST)
# Yes and not just because it's you-know-who's birthday ;[[User:Grogh|Grogh]] 02:23, 4 July 2012 (BST)
*'''No''' - It was alright.... But alright groups dont become historical. <u><big>[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">D</span>]]</big><nowiki>ance</nowiki><big>[[User Talk:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:lime;font-weight:bold">D</span>]]</big><nowiki>ance</nowiki><big>[[User:DanceDanceRevolution/media|<span style="color:Aqua;font-weight:bold">R</span>]]</big>evolution</u> 01:50, 23 July 2008 (BST)
# RAWR. Joshy's awesome {{User:CrunchyCake/Sig}} 02:29, 4 July 2012 (BST)
*'''Yus''' - Why not? Also, Will  [[The Imperium Must Die]] become historical without [[The Imperium]]? I've seen talk about.. Wait.. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 05:12, 23 July 2008 (BST)
# As the former leader I ask that all voters look at the History part of our page. We worked with Survivor groups such as the [[Cannonball Crew]] and [[Skynet Defense Network]]. Even though we were indeed Bounty Hunters we did a lot of pro survivor operations such as this one [[Alliance 45]] In 2 operations we fought the Zombies in Gulsonside with Operation Damage Control (July 21, 2010 - Sept 12, 2010) and Operation: Beaten to Death (July 28, 2011 - September 5, 2011) Also with Operation Uplift (October 1, 2010 - October 22, 2010) Wyke Hills goes from Red to Green with Team Xtreme, the Wulves and D.S. R&D. Operation Blindside (January 19, 2011 - January 28, 2011) Team Xtreme with Skynet Defense Network, FPDF, AZS, KT, MR, C4NT, WULVES, MCDU, The Fortress, DSR&D, and Z.A.L.P. worked together in Whittenside against the Feral Undead just to name a few things (Not typical BHer stuff) Operation: Rock The Dead (April 11, 2011 - July 2, 2011) Was when Team Xtreme helped defend Malton against the return of the dead. Operation: Black List (September 9, 2011 - October 3, 2011) Was when Team Xtreme fought against Text Rapists and Zergs. This event won a 2011 Malton Murder Award for Best Bounty Hunting Moment, Team Xtreme is proud to have participated in the event. Team Xtreme was also Winner of the 2011 Malton Murder Awards for Best Bounty Hunter Group. And lastly October 28, 2010 is when I officially launched my blog web show The Xtreme Zone to entertain the people of Malton. The show lasted a year. And there was 4 years worth of Bounty Hunting in between all that. So my vote is yes. We have a History Page for a reason. --[[User:Josh Clark|Josh Clark]] 02:32, 4 July 2012 (BST)
*'''No''' - I just don't see it.--[[User:Insomniac By Choice|Insomniac By Choice]] 07:04, 23 July 2008 (BST)
#:Historical by association isn't historical. Just because you have history doesn't mean that you're historical. Particularly when that history has almost no overlap with documented notable game events. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 07:23, 7 July 2012 (BST)
*'''No''' - They're what, 2 year old, and didn't do anything worth mentioning in the bid until a week before disbanding?--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 11:40, 23 July 2008 (BST)
# Hell yeah!--{{User:Bad Attitude Barbie/sig}} 02:50, 4 July 2012 (BST)
*'''Yes'''- This group fought for the suvivor cause bravely and and and with fire in their hearts. They deserve to be laid to rest with the respect they deserve. - [[User:Chaplain Wilkins|Chaplain Wilkins]] 11:43, 23 July 2008 (BST)
# I says yep! :D --[[User:Lucy Daniels|Lucy Daniels]] 03:05, 4 July 2012 (BST)
*'''No''' - i've been a resident of santlerville for 18 months and had barely heard more than a wimper out of these guys until they brought swarms of PKers into our neighbourhood...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:47, 23 July 2008 (BST)
# Absolutely, Yes! When The Cannonball Crew was fighting in Gulsonside against CTD, Josh and his crew were Indispensable! [User:Midge Owner] 03:15, 4 July 2012 (BST)
*'''No''' - The only reason they'll be remembered in the slightest is because of [[The Imperium Must Die]]. That doesn't make a group historical. --{{User:The Surgeon General/sig}} 13:57, 23 July 2008 (BST)
# Definitely!! TX will always be the best BHer group, in my opinion --[[User:Solodog|Solodog]] 03:20, 4 July 2012 (BST)
*'''Yes''' - The reason a lot of you are saying you didn't here much out of them is because they were at they're prime when most of you had just started playing or weren't even playing. They were a very important group last year and they deserve historical status more than half the groups that already have it by a long shot. --[[User:MkoII|MkoII]] 12:16, 23 July 2008 (EST)
#Because I was told to. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 03:42, 4 July 2012 (BST)
*'''Yes''' - We were real Gibsonton group, it doesn't matter if we weren't known over all Malton, but we did our job damn good. Yes, probably some of you heard about us only after Imperium must die set a war on us, but we had many years ago a fight versus black crusade and we still continue to purge and clean hive Maltonius from wrenched and rotting hordes of mutants. And by the way, Imperium WILL NEVER DIE!!! --[[User:War7|War7]] 20:11, 23 July 2008 (BST)
#Because I'm scared of Carrie. *hides*  --[[User:Rambo ninja spidrman|Rambo ninja spidrman]] 04:12, 4 July 2012 (BST)
*'''Yes'''- Anyone who was pro-survivor in or around Gibsonton would agree.--[[User:Wyzeguy6|Wyzeguy6]] 22:30, 23 July 2008 (BST)
# Xtremest group EVER. --[[User:Penguinpyro|Penguinpyro]] 04:15, 4 July 2012 (BST)
*:{{s|'''yes''' - one of the mmorpg gaming groups who stuck too the theme they chose and refused too give in too critique, was a very good laugh and reliable}} Unsigned. --{{User:The Surgeon General/sig}} 03:48, 24 July 2008 (BST)
# Easily one of the finest BHer groups Malton has seen. Their impact on several areas of the Pking/BHing industry may still be felt. --{{User:A.schwan/sig}} <sub>Wednesday, 4 July 2012</sub>
*'''Yes''' - forgot the self vote. Should even the odds a little anyway. --[[User:Max890|Max890]] 20:40, 23 July 2008 (BST)
# Yup......nuff said --[[User:Raven Corvus|Raven Corvus]] 15:30, 4 July 2012 (BST)
*'''Hell No''' - Your group was relatively well known... due to the Imperium Must Die campaign?  Seems to me that if your biggest claim to fame was people killing you, you're not all that historical.  Hysterical maybe.  --[[User:Vandr|Vandr]] 21:04, 23 July 2008 (BST)
# Josh's patter is hopeless and [[User:Mallrat|Hermann Munster]] always enjoyed ripping him and his Cheeto-stained buddies a new one, but TX's concerted efforts with Skynet were the only survivor push that ever threatened to shift [[Clubbed to Death]] from [[Blesley Mall]] for any length of time. The Cheeto Wars with you guys rank among the Club's most enjoyable nights out. And if that doesn't warrant a footnote in history, what does?--{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 18:33, 4 July 2012 (BST)
*: Oh Snap! I admit, I laughed. <u><big>[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">D</span>]]</big><nowiki>ance</nowiki><big>[[User Talk:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:lime;font-weight:bold">D</span>]]</big><nowiki>ance</nowiki><big>[[User:DanceDanceRevolution/media|<span style="color:Aqua;font-weight:bold">R</span>]]</big>evolution</u> 07:10, 24 July 2008 (BST)
# Yes. It was always an event for the BAR when Team Xtreme came to town. [[User:Jesussante|Jesus Sante]] <sup>[[CFT]]</sup> 04:27, 5 July 2012 (BST)
*'''No''' - At the risk of sounding like a broken record, this group is only famous for how it ended and thus does not deserve a place in UD history. --[[User:Gerald Mires|Gerald Mires]] 21:16, 23 July 2008 (BST)
#As a general thing, the niche of PKers matters very little in the big picture of UD given the default conflict (survivors vs zombies) and basic game mechanics (cost of killing vs cost of revival, significance of draining AP with meatshielding and ruining which PKers don't do). BHers, being essentially a niche within the niche, matter even less as a general thing. That being said, within its narrow niche, Team Xtreme has been highly significant. When we will look back in a few years and wonder about who has mattered within the field of bounty-hunting, TX must definitively be mentioned. For that reason, I think they should be included. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"></span>]]</span>''' 19:26, 5 July 2012 (BST)
*'''No''' - Garviel Loken telling us how we're all [[User:Garviel_Loken|going to Warhammer hell]] made me fall off my chair laughing, but the group itself did nothing of note except capitulate and die. --[[User:Bob_Fortune|Sir Bob Fortune]] <sup>[[Red Rum|RR]]</sup> 21:51, 23 July 2008 (BST)
#:To specially lower the bar to "Well known presence in a subgroup community" would be to devalue what Historical Groups purpose as a category. It's purpose is to help newer users to understand how the community and culture has grown and particularly the groups which will come up in discussion time and again as being why things are done. Team Xtreme doesn't even make that list for BHers, nor PKers, much less Survivors, Zombies, or Players. And its particularly egregious when most(including these) BHers by nature play poorly(ineffectively) and are not innovative strategically(Beyond RG and some of what DARIS did) in even the limited anti-pker realm, [[COMBAT REVIVE]] was a more effective anti-pker group by the numbers than this, [[404]] and [[THEM]] are/were a functionally better example of anti-pker strategy that actually had demonstrable lasting effects on both specific conflicts and the game itself.  --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 07:20, 7 July 2012 (BST)
*:::Hey, Bob Fortune! News flash, smart one: that whole message on the upper half of Loken's user page doesn't have jack-squat to do with Warhammer. I imagine you assume that Hellheim has something to do with Warhammer, and therefore use the term "Warhammer hell". Hellheim is a part of Old Norse, or Viking, mythology. The religion is still practiced today! You must have missed the First Rule of Ridicule: "Know what the blazes you're talking about before you start ripping on someone or something, moron!" You don't want to start a religious conflict on this page, do you?--[[User:Ulfgard the Unmaker|Ulfgard the Unmaker]] 08:44, 26 July 2008 (BST)
#::Sorry, Karek, but I've got to disagree with your assessment of Historical category as a tool. If you've ever actually tried to learn about UD history based on groups in this category, you'd be pretty damn confused/frustrated. That's why projects like Zombie Renaissance, Project Timeline, UDThisMonth and others exist. These days Historical Group is nothing more than a badge. I'd argue that TX are probably more deserving of the badge than other groups wearing it, but I don't think they necessarily NEED it to be recognized as a group that contributed to UD's history.~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>18:55, 7 July 2012 (UTC)</sub>
*::::Hey, Ulfgard! News flash, fanboy. I know enough about Viking mythology to know what Hellheim is. I also understand the 0.5th Rule of Ridicule: "Know your audience". Warhammer/Games Workshop includes various mythological elements in its products, from what I've seen of them. Me, and normal people (my audience) find Garv's comments hilarious, as they epitomise the sort of pseudospiritual rubbish spouted by nerdy table-top gamer types. I didn't make my Warhammer hell remark to be accurate, I made it to be entertaining. Are you seriously claiming to find my comments offensive on a religious level? I didn't intend them to start a religious conflict, but I'm more than up for one if you want one. Just because a number of people believe something, I'm under no obligation to take it seriously. Case in point - even though there's a group who [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip_Movement worship Prince Philip] as a god, I still think he's a buffoon. As are you and Loken. --[[User:Bob_Fortune|Sir Bob Fortune]] <sup>[[Red Rum|RR]]</sup> 23:34, 29 July 2008 (BST)
#:::Just want to note that both Project Timeline and UDThisMonth use Historical Group status as a criterion for inclusion, so this vote has bearing on those pages. See [[UDWiki talk:Project Timeline#Group inclusion|here]] and [[UDWiki talk:Project Timeline#So I've...|here]]. [[User:Bob Moncrief|Bob Moncrief]] 21:33, 7 July 2012 (BST)
*::::::Fair enough, Bob. Glad we understand each other. I really see no reason to resort to name-calling and insults. Just wanted to get to a place where we could hear each other's arguments and reasoning. All that said, have a good day, and good luck gaming. Just don't expect any mercy if we meet up in-game, eh? Take care.--[[User:Ulfgard the Unmaker|Ulfgard the Unmaker]] 00:57, 30 July 2008 (BST)
#::::Historical Group status is specifically not a criteria for inclusion on PT. That's why you don't see groups like [[ASS]], [[Brain Central]], [[Mockers]] or other questionably historic groups but you do see [[RRF]], [[Fortress]], [[ACC]] and others. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>22:24, 7 July 2012 (UTC)</sub>
*:::::How dare you insult the divine Prince Phillip!  Next thing you know, he'll be criticizing the views of the beloved [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Duck_Party Donald Duck Party!]  Free Liquor and wider sidewalks for all! -- {{User:KF/PKsig}} 00:48, 30 July 2008 (BST)
#:::In this case your disagreement note actually reinforces why this nonsense is nonsense. My statement is based on why this category exists, which was initially to preserve pages of noteworthy groups from deletion during the Crit 12 days so that valuable reference material wouldn't be lost. Since then we've preserved it as a navigational reserve for those groups who we accept as being information-ally important to the mission statement of the wiki(i.e. Providing imporatnt game relevant information). Team Xtreme is an example of a group that will never meet that purpose and ''shouldn't'' even be up for a vote. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 20:04, 8 July 2012 (BST)
* '''No''' - I've been playing since March 2007 and never heard of them.--[[User:Sarah Silverman|Sarah Silverman]] 22:45, 23 July 2008 (BST)
# As Spiderzed above. --[[User:Belisarius17|Belisarius17]] 03:30, 6 July 2012 (BST)
*'''No''' - Who are you?  No really. I want to know. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 23:54, 23 July 2008 (BST)
# Worked with TX...agree with Spiderzed. {{User:Met fan/sig}} 06:13, 6 July 2012 (BST)
*'''Yes''' Was the first group I heard of upon my arrival in Gibsonton [[User:Capgun|Capgun]] 00:04, 24 July 2008 (BST)
# What Josh said, what Albert said, what Mallrat said. [[User:Leon Silverblood|Leon Silverblood]] 17:46, 6 July 2012 (BST)
*'''No''' Absolutely not. The only thing they're notable for is getting their asses kicked so badly they disbanded. --[[User:Druuuuu/Ocular|Ocular]] <sup style="font-size:70%">[[User:Druuuuu|Dru]][[User talk:Druuuuu|uu]][[Red Rum|uu]]</sup> 01:27, 24 July 2008 (BST)
# As Albert, as Spiderzed --[[User:CptFastbreak|CptFastbreak]] 18:39, 7 July 2012 (BST)
*'''YES''' Now see here, the Imperium was a longstanding group that outlived the Gibonston Nationals, the Winchester Boys, the Black Crusade, PKer Storm, and at least one Big Bash, mostly in one year that I've been aware of the group! They were around before that, even. This vote doesnt depend on whether they were known throught the whole of Malton, this vote shouldn't be based on voting for the laughs, nor should it be based on allegiance to groups who stood against them. Time and again the Imperium was praised by its greatest enemies for putting up a good fight no matter what the odds. Three times, the Imperium nearly fell apart, only to be reborn and even more zealous than before! Just because someone has a personal conflict with Loken doesnt mean that the group deserves no recognition. He took it upon himself to be the voice of the Imperium, and oftentimes did not follow orders to keep quiet. But what has that got to do with anything? This is not a debate on whether or not Garviel Loken was besieged by griefers until he finally got tired of dealing with their whining and their smears. By the gods, people, this is a vote to give a group that has existed for a long time and made the cyber-trek across three bloody forums (before mass desertion and absent administration crippled its manpower made its continued existance impossible) recognition for its existance and deeds! I hereby call upon all Naysayers to consider their motivations before they put in a final vote. Dislike does not equate to worthlessness, and if you cannot see that (or worse, see that and vote against the Imperium anyway, regardless of it's many quailifications and long history), take your worthless characters and quit the game. Leave it to those of us who try to make this a game worth playing.[[User:Ulfgard the Unmaker|Ulfgard the Unmaker]]10:04, 23 July 2008 (EST) No timestamp. Asdd timestamp and remove strike out then, and only then --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 03:43, 24 July 2008 (BST) Okay, so I had taken a screenshot of it as soon as I posted it and saved the image to my computer. I looked it up and added the appropriate timestamp. May I erase the strike out? I apologize for the misunderstanding. I just opened this wiki account tonight and am trying to get used to the features. I must admit that technology tends to leave me baffled. [[Ulfgard the Unmaker|Ulfgard the Unmaker]] 11:25, 23 July 2008 (EST)
# At some point you have to look at a groups contributions as a whole, not just if they changed the game or were one of the first organized groups six years ago. Otherwise you can pretty much stop adding groups to this category altogether. A lot of groups have had a huge impact on the game and its players without having changed how its played or bringing about new rules or mechanics. A good group that does well, contributes positively in its particular field, and has maintained reasonable longevity in the community should be recognized. TX has done all of that.--[[User:Roddy Winters|Roddy Winters]] 19:51, 8 July 2012 (BST)
*::And yet you still can't name one. Just like the other Yes votes you're only voting yes because you were part of the group.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:14, 24 July 2008 (BST)
#:This is not true. Quantity of stuff they do does not outweigh the quality. And honestly, the people arguing for this have only pointed out the quantity, not the quality. And those voting no aren't seeing the quality and making judgements based on quantity. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 19:40, 9 July 2012 (BST)
*:::Name what? He just said several reasons why it should be historical. And I just want to mention that the reason we fell apart was due to bad timing. We couldn't recruit because our Admin had gone away for months, several people couldn't get along, and then even more people disappeared. The PKers just say it was because of them -[[User:Chaplain Wilkins|Chaplain Wilkins]] 10:33, 24 July 2008 (BST)
# Yes please. [[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 00:19, 13 July 2012 (BST)
*::::{{Quote|Ulfgard the Unmaker|. . .recognition for its existance and deeds! . . .}}
# <s>Although I'll again note (since it continues to bruise certain egos) that The Saints didn't care a whit about FoD, I don't think there should be any doubt that TX deserves historical status.--[[User:RichterFury|RichterFury]] 01:07, 19 July 2012 (BST)</s>
*::::One of those deeds, surviving forum moves is hardly a noteworthy deed, and none of you have so far mentioned a single deed they did beyond when a bunch of people decided to drive them/you from the game.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:20, 24 July 2008 (BST)
*:::::{{Quote|Karek|. . . surviving forum moves is hardly a noteworthy deed . . .}}
*:::::This is true, in and of itself, but a group with members devoted enough to bother trying to help their group struggle on should mean something, shouldn't it? Oh, wait, that's right. The world's changed since the last time anything of substance was good for, or meant, anything other than "lulz". My bad. No wait, the world's bad, that one. We voting "yes" are merely relics of this past, is that what I'm to believe?--[[User:Ulfgard the Unmaker|Ulfgard the Unmaker]] 16:29, 24 July 2008 (BST)
*::::::This isn't "vote for groups that people were in" this is "Vote for groups that had a major effect on how the game was played", thus the name [[:Category:Historical Groups|<u>Historical</u> Groups]], just because it had dedicated members is not a satisfactory reason for anyone not in the group because we/they aren't in it for self gratification.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:05, 24 July 2008 (BST)
*:::::::::Look, I'm not voting for no other reason than because I'm a group member, I'm voting because it was a longstanding group. It existed for two years, a length of time when dozens of groups can rise and fall. But for the sake common decency, let's quit bickering, okay? I won't argue with you if you don't argue with me. Sound like a deal, Karek? Now that we've made our points, does this mini-debate really need to keep going on between the two of us?--[[User:Ulfgard the Unmaker|Ulfgard the Unmaker]] 17:27, 24 July 2008 (BST)
*::::::::::A historical group is not measured by its number, nor its longevity, but rather by what they have managed to accomplish in the time that they were active. Take Shacknews for example, they were around for just a few months, tops, and made a huge impact on the game. Staying in a single suburb and claiming it to be the safest in Malton, then getting killed by a group of PKers is not really noteworthy. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 17:32, 24 July 2008 (BST)
*:::::::Well for what did Winchester boyz and Gibsonton nationals do to get historical status? If you dont know people, we were one of three groups in Epic coalition in Gibsonton. And yes we did make a change in Malton, or i should say in Gibsonton, we made it one of safest burbs in Malton! Thats before we became Pkers target. And if you think that to defend 4 squares non resources building over 2 years is easy, then you are welcome to try. --[[User:War7|War7]] 19:16, 24 July 2008 (BST)
*::::::::Winchester Boyz was never voted on and Gibston Nationals failed their attempt.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:48, 24 July 2008 (BST)
*:::::::::Well then what does this page means? http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r284/oldwolfsoul/asd2-1.jpg --[[User:War7|War7]] 21:29, 24 July 2008 (BST)
*::::::::::It means something needs to be fixed. I did the honours. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 19:46, 24 July 2008 (BST)
*:::::::::::May ask you, whitch burb are you from? And what rites you have to change our burb description? huh? --[[User:War7|War7]] 21:58, 24 July 2008 (BST)
*::::::::::::Which burb he's from?  Players with several characters can be from various suburbs--how is that question relevant?  And he has the "rites" to change the suburb description because suburb descriptions are public NPOV pages which can be edited by anyone.  --[[User:Vandr|Vandr]] 22:52, 24 July 2008 (BST)
*'''No''' I'm in favor of a number of groups getting Historical status...And I'm really split on this bid, But I'm just not seeing it right now. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[TBA]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 03:11, 24 July 2008 (BST)
*'''No''' - I dont see how this group changed play in the game, or even made much of an impact. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 03:43, 24 July 2008 (BST)
*'''No''' I had only heard tidbits about this group before the Imperium Must Die campaign, and I'm active in the community & game. No offense, but you didn't accomplish anything other than get targeted by some PKer groups. -[[User:Russell Oakley|Russell Oakley]] 03:47, 24 July 2008 (BST)
*'''No''' - The only time they were important was when DORIS was killing them.  {{User:BillyClubThorton/signature}} 04:07, 24 July 2008 (BST)
*'''No''' - Some ideas should not be "Visable" --[[User:KF|KF]] 05:01, 24 July 2008 (BST)
*'''Fuck no''' - You did NOTHING make yourselves noteworthy, to impact the game or the "culture" of UD. The only time this group was in any way noteworthy was after they got noticed -- for ''terminal lameness'' -- and targeted by DORIS. Now, darkmagic's Viva group I would totally support as historical '':P'' because their level of FAIL was truly epic. The Imperium, however, falls somewhere between laughably mediocre and painfully unremarkable. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:54, 24 July 2008 (BST)
*'''Yes'''- Could all the pkers who just want to obliterate what little we have left shut up and get back in their boxes? you broke us up, but that doesn't mean we were nothing let us keep what was ours, am i trying to destroy everything YOU create? the obvious answer is no i am not --[[User:Warmaster Death|Warmaster Death]]  07:32, 24 July 2008 (GMT+10)
*:Your group had no significant impact on the game or the community, outside your own little world. The fact that only members of the group are voting yes kind of demonstrates that. And, many (most?) of the people voting no (including me) have ''nothing'' to do with DORIS... None of this means you didn't exist, it doesn't mean you didn't do good work in your part of the city. But that's not enough to qualify as historical. Also, just in case you don't know, pages for formerly active groups are never deleted, so it's not like your presence will just vanish, you'll always be part of UD's history. Just not worthy of "special" Historical Group status. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 10:45, 24 July 2008 (BST)
*::And don't you guys understand '''why''' there was an Imperium Must Die group? Because they wanted to bully you because you were just some insignificant group which they had no respect for. Sorry to destroy your confidence boost, but thats just what it seems like in all honesty. Needless to say I wasn't involved in it, so you can yell at me for mouthing off about things I don't know... But that being the case, I never participated in 'war' against you and you can't claim over 50% of the voters here actually participated in bringing you down. So don't use hatevotes as an excuse for your poorly running tally. <u><big>[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">D</span>]]</big><nowiki>ance</nowiki><big>[[User Talk:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:lime;font-weight:bold">D</span>]]</big><nowiki>ance</nowiki><big>[[User:DanceDanceRevolution/media|<span style="color:Aqua;font-weight:bold">R</span>]]</big>evolution</u> 13:34, 24 July 2008 (BST)
*:::This may be like the most collossal misestimation I've seen on this wiki, judging by the comments!  It's like you started the slow clap in a crowd, and now clap alone.--[[User:Sarah Silverman|Sarah Silverman]] 19:30, 24 July 2008 (BST)
*:::: Clap clap calp clap clap clap!!! --[[User:War7|War7]] 20:01, 25 July 2008 (BST)
*::::::CLAP CLAP CLAP CALP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP! The men and women of the Imperium shall be forever remembered by the Emperor's finest!--[[User:Ulfgard the Unmaker|Ulfgard the Unmaker]] 23:31, 26 July 2008 (BST)
*'''No''' - As WanYao's reply to Warmaster Death. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 12:23, 24 July 2008 (BST)
*'''No''' - Never heard of them before the Imperium must Die thing. If a groups only claim to fame is their death, then they must be a shit group. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 16:49, 24 July 2008 (BST)
*'''Yes''' You can all go fuck yourselves. Nobody cares about the Imperium Must Die. Just because that was the only thing that brought them into contact with your giant grabass-circle jerk you predictably believe that means thats the only thing they've done? GO OUTSIDE. Give up the wiki-pancake monopoly. Ya Basta --[[User:Alphy|Alphy]] 18:49, 24 July 2008 (BST)
*:Get thee back under thine bridge, ye woefull trolle!! Forsooth there be naught here for thee or thine.  Verily, NO PAI! Depart, I sayeth, depart! --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 19:23, 24 July 2008 (BST)
*::Another predictably quick and uniform response. See first sentence of my vote. Then look at your own vote and feel shame. SHAME.--[[User:Alphy|Alphy]] 20:02, 24 July 2008 (BST)
*:::You're a funny guy, Alpharius, seeing as it's ''you'' who apparently hasn't read (or simply hasn't ''comprehended'') the votes and the comments, nor understood what it takes for a group to be Historical. And what, you're associating ''me'' with DORIS?!?! LOOOOOOLZ!!! Anyhooo... there's a line from A Fish Called Wanda that's applicable here, it's where Kevin Kline's character says, smugly: "But apes don't read philosophy!" To which Jamie Lee Curtis' character replies, "Yes, they do. But they don't understand it." Or, to quote the man, Nietzsche himself, "It's highly improbable that you're not mistaken, but why insist on the truth?" Now, since apes can in fact read philosophy -- but are, it has been established, unable to understand it -- let me explain in concise layman's terms: ''The Imperium did nothing to warrant historical status. Period.'' So here's the deal, Alphy: if you're gonna troll, do it with some style and/or some erudition. Like, do it in Elizabethan English, or quote cool John Cleese movies and Nietzsche. And, get your facts straight. Otherwise... just go back to pretending you're a misunderstood revolutionary hero by PKing  DEM members and getting yourself banned from every IRC channel you try to join... CIAO!!! --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 15:45, 25 July 2008 (BST)
*::::The only thing I associate you with is frequent bipolar douchebaggery. So I do think that DORIS would be a good fit. And as the Imperium's oldest enemy I think I know a little something about the group. If every idiot who never left the malls posted they hadnt heard of a given group, there'd be about 4 historicals. Bai--[[User:Alphy|Alphy]] 18:35, 25 July 2008 (BST)
*:::::Behold - the fabled silver tongue of Alphy, that persuades so many people to join the groups he forms. --[[User:Bob_Fortune|Sir Bob Fortune]] <sup>[[Red Rum|RR]]</sup> 18:44, 25 July 2008 (BST)
* '''Yes''' A yes from Umbrella Corp.--[[User:MisterGame|MisterGame]] 19:26, 24 July 2008 (BST)
* '''Yes''' -As President of Umbrella I support the nomination of Imperium of Man as a historical group to their resident suburb, not simply beacause we are an ally of the Imperium but also because of their once impressive dedication and coordination. Dedication- To Malton and their role playing as the Imperium, the not only protected their own suburb but reach out to other suburbs in order to protect them and extend their empire which reached as far as Santlerville which is when we discovered them and worked together to free up the distressed suburb during BB2. Coordination- Up until just before the PK assault on the Imperium this group was highly cooridinated and cooperative both within their group and with allies. Good luck to the Imperium left overs as a whole you will be missed.--[[User:Jackson|Jackson]] 20:16, 24 July 2008 (BST)
*:<small>Moved from the bottom so that it's not a double vote. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 10:09, 12 August 2008 (BST)</small>
*:'''Recap/YES''' - Not intended for a double vote. What we have here is a huge misjustice. The Imperium of Man, an amazing well role played group of U.D. members DEDICATED to their way of role playing which in the apparently in the world of U.D. is gay, according to (and I would like everyone to take good note of...) the [[Imperium Must Die]] who basically said over and over again just how gay they do everything. I have noticed a lot of this "gay" amongst PKer groups labeling anything that either Role Plays or attempts a mature setting to the game as "gay". This is a game and this is the internet and I respect people's opinion and right to free speech and basic right to through the word "gay" around for I use it myself, however, (and if anyone reading this wouldn't mind looking up the film Idiocracy) the fact this whole ordeal was put together over something so immature is rediculess and see this as an attack on any group trying to play "legitimately" for role play value or have a good time in general. I am not saying that groups that do not role play or have a code of conduct are not legitimate. You were "...in it for the lulz" is an expression I have come to hear and understand but I don't see this being of something positive or LOL like in anyway for the community of Urban Dead. I understand that edits were made to wiki pages but to the extent that they were made that triggered such an event really seemed inadequate to provoke such immaturiaty and personal attacks. The Imperium of Man doesn't need sympathy, however for its value in providing a role playing environment, should be remembered and maybe one day revived to live again.--[[User:Jackson/Sig]] 03:56, 11 August 2008 (BST)
*::The drama and name-calling that have gone on here has NOTHING to do with the fact that the Imperium did NOTHING to qualify them as Historical. Read and understand what it is that makes a group historical please. Then read it again, to make sure you've understood. Good role play does not qualify you for historical status, neither does merely being successful at what you do. None of that is new, none of that changed the way the game is played for large numbers of players. Ergo: not historicl. Capiche? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 15:59, 14 August 2008 (BST)
*'''NO''' as above----[[User:Sexualharrison|Sexualharrison]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] [[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]] 20:25, 24 July 2008 (BST)
*:Wait...so that's a Yes? --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 20:30, 24 July 2008 (BST)
*::axe you loser stop stalking my votes!----[[User:Sexualharrison|Sexualharrison]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] [[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]] 22:52, 29 July 2008 (BST)
*:{{S|'''Yes''' Even if some people hated the Imperium, it should be historical. Beside, I guess the same people would enjoy leaving their mark and brag about it. Right? --[[User:Skritz|Skritz]]}} - For outstanding failure in the field of leaving a timestamp, this vote has been struck. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 00:00, 25 July 2008 (BST)
* '''NO''' -- {{User:BlackReaper/sig}} 23:18, 24 July 2008 (BST)
*'''YES''' - Need I say more? --[[User:Macampos|Private Mark]] 23:35, 24 July 2008 (BST)
*'''NO''' -- Where to start? This group were not noticed until they started claiming structures "In the name of the emperor" which lead to them being noticed by DORIS who then proceeded to utterly destroy the Imperium of Man, in one of the finest displays of sheer pwnage the game has ever seen. However, the Imperium claim that they won this encounter and even made a video on youtube on how they managed to beat the PK'ers by cleverly hiding the PK'ers bullets in their bodies. True martyrs really. This group should be voted as EPIC FAIL #1, as they acheived nothing and came into the public view after getting their butts handed to them. --[[User:Blanemcc|Blanemcc]] 00:09, 25 July 2008 (BST)
*:::For your information, Blanemcc, while I'll admit we were on our last leg at the end of the movement, the end of the offensive against us was unofficially announced three days before we were forced to break into our two current groups. The fact that we officially fell apart ONE DAY before the ceasefire was publically announced was exploited, and the opposing party claimed victory wherease three days earlier, they had conceded defeat. Sneaky, underhanded treachery is what it was; slander and callumny.--[[User:Ulfgard the Unmaker|Ulfgard the Unmaker]] 09:05, 26 July 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - I really only know them from the Imperium Must Die.  --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 00:22, 25 July 2008 (BST)
*'''No''' - I thought about leaving a smart ass remark, but it's not really worth it. --[[User:Paddy Dignam|Paddy Dignam]] 00:39, 25 July 2008 (BST)
*'''No''' - Unsolicited additional nay vote for any one of the various colorful reasons already stated. --{{User:Goofy Mccoy/sig}} 01:07, 25 July 2008 (BST)
*'''Yes''' - As Goofy. --[[User:Kikashie|Kikashie]] <sup>[[Dulston Alliance/Newspaper|Read the Dispatch!]]</sup> 03:48, 25 July 2008 (BST)
*'''No''' - As Paddy. -- {{User:DT/Signature}} 17:12, 25 July 2008 (BST)
*:{{S|'''YES''' - speaking on behalf of the Rolt Heights Vigilante Patrol, Imperium of Man was one of our allies for a time, they were also an ally and member of the Dulston Alliance, they assisted with two defences of RHVP's HQ during zed insurgents and Garviel put some quite lucid comments and advice forward on the Dulston Alliance forums. I think as a group they had an impact, even if that impact resulted in the "Imperium must die" campaign and BTW their were many allies involved in that cafuffle and I would say it was a close run thing, but the DORIS bunch got a kickin' by many estimations. TBH that fire fight was largely won from the DA perspective because the majority of anti PK'er groups NE of Malton decided to attend to have a free for all, happily for IOM this was also the same time and place for their showdown. Anyhow it's historical now and therefore should be voted in that way.}} - Winner of the award for outstanding failure in the field of signing your vote is... anonymous! --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 01:38, 26 July 2008 (BST)
*'''No''' - You only became a blip on the radar when Sonny took a small interest in you.  Nobody cared before then, and once DORIS was done with you... nobody cares now.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 00:10, 26 July 2008 (BST)
*:{{S|1='''No''' - I wasn't going to vote, but I've been convinced. Then again, was my vote necessarily needed? <u><big>[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">D</span>]]</big><nowiki>ance</nowiki><big>[[User Talk:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:lime;font-weight:bold">D</span>]]</big><nowiki>ance</nowiki><big>[[User:DanceDanceRevolution/media|<span style="color:Aqua;font-weight:bold">R</span>]]</big>evolution</u> 08:53, 26 July 2008 (BST)}} <small>Second Vote struck--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 18:02, 26 July 2008 (BST)</small>
*'''YES!''' - Same as [[User:Dr Cory Bjornson|Dr Cory Bjornson]] if Imperium Must Die is going to be historic, Imperium should be too'nuff said. --{{User:ObiFireFighter/sig}} 11:57, 27 July 2008 (BST)
*:Imperium Must Die is not historical. Get a friggin' grip, you guys! The paint from your warhammer figures must be getting to you... or is it lead poisoning? In any event... yet one more example of why these guys got griefed out of existence, wow. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 04:59, 28 July 2008 (BST)
*::You're a dick.--[[User:Alphy|Alphy]] 05:17, 29 July 2008 (BST)
*:::Thank you, Alpharius. I don't think any of us could have said it better.--[[User:Ulfgard the Unmaker|Ulfgard the
Unmaker]] 05:33, 29 July 2008 (BST)
*::::No, Wan Yao is a vagina. --{{User:ObiFireFighter/sig}} 12:50, 29 July 2008 (BST)
*:::::Oh and Yao I was never by any means a member of Imperium. And concerning the "griefed out of existence" as far as I can see, looks like almost every ex-Empire member still plays UD on new Warhammer "inspired" groups. The group did end though and that's a shame... --{{User:ObiFireFighter/sig}} 20:51, 29 July 2008 (BST)
*::::::lol, nice try! very witty, very original! i'd be flattered by the attention... but... considering the source... well... nah. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 19:42, 30 July 2008 (BST)
*::'''Hell fucking yes!'''-Because WanYao said no... --{{User:ObiFireFighter/sig}} 22:31, 28 July 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Same as Jackson and Mistergame.--<font face="arial black"><span style="background-color:#000000; border: 1px solid red">[[User:Haliman111|<span style="color:White">/\'''Haliman'''/\</span>]]</span> <sup>[[User_talk:Haliman111|<span style="color:Blue">T</span>]] | [[The Crimson Clan|<span style="color:Brown">CC</span>]] | [[Umbrella_Corporation|<span style="color:Purple">UC</span>]]</sup></font> 18:58, 27 July 2008 (BST)
*'''No''' - The Imperium's only claim to fame is that it was the group Garviel Loken was in when Sonny cracked the shits at his retarded grandiose wiki edits. [[User:Turkmenbashi|Turkmenbashi]] 03:27, 28 July 2008 (BST)
*'''No''' - Played since 2006, never heard much about them until [[The Imperium Must Die]].--[[User:drawde|drawde]] <sup>[[DORIS|DORIS]]•[[Red Rum|RR]]•[[Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]]•[[RI|RI!]]</sup> 10:52, 29 July 2008 (BST)
*:{{s|'''Yes''' as long as the imperium must die is also one as well then i say keep it. they deserve the page historical for trying to stay alive}} Unsigned. --{{User:The Surgeon General/sig}} 22:25, 2 August 2008 (BST)
<s>*'''Yes'''- A great group that's done some pretty valiant stuff.--[[User:Sgt.Fozzy|Fozzy]] 12:12, 4 August 2008 (BST)</s>(Vote striken: past 2 week voting period) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 16:08, 14 August 2008 (BST) <br>
<s>*'''Yes'''- In the name of the Emperor yes! --{{User:Medico/sig}} 17:09, 8 August 2008 (BST)</s>(Vote striken: past 2 week voting period) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 16:08, 14 August 2008 (BST) <br>
<s>*'''Yes'''- Because almost all "No"s are members of the imperium must die coalition. And may i say that i think it's funny that you all say we did nothing except the whole pker thing...but we were a major force in the second seige of caiger mall, having almost single handedly held the Latrobe building. And may i just state that it is my honor to declare sonny...a CUNT! Thank you and have a nice day! --[[User:MkoII|MkoII]] 4:57,13 August 2008 (BST)</s> (Vote striken: past 2 week voting period) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 16:08, 14 August 2008 (BST) <bR>


Nomination failed.
====No (Team Xtreme)====
'''Tally:''' 15 votes For; 30 votes Against. 33%/67% For/Against. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 16:15, 14 August 2008 (BST)


===[[SG-1]]===
# meh and meh. they did nothing that other BH groups didn't do before. --{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>01:50, 4 July 2012 </small>
Reason for nomination:
# Convince me. --[[User:Rosslessness|Ross]]<sup>[[User:Rosslessness/Battle of Tebbett|less]]</sup>[[User:Rosslessness|ness]]  18:22, 4 July 2012 (BST)
This group thought alongside several groups we have waited for almost o month for people to join no one has joined except one but i know this may sound like a delection request we did get several allies and we would like our page preserved since i have started a new group wich is doing alot better but the SG-1 members would like to look back at our hard work and devotion and know that we tryed to help malton but we oviously failed so that is why i make this request here so yea please make our group a historical group in our old atempts to make malton better.
#:Since you asked let me give it a shot. Admittedly, what follows is information that predates me. It is my understanding of events and if its accuracy needs to be called into question, please feel free.  How did TX change the game? Undoubtedly, there were BHers before TX. My understanding is that most of them were lone hunters or small groups of 2 to 3. They would come together at places like the RG but not in a permanent strategic way. Was there Pack BHing, yes. Organizations like the DEM were organized and engaged in BHing along with their many other functions. My understanding is that if there were purely BHer groups before the time that TX, Malton Marshals, and the Saints formed in 2008, they were transitory. They specialized and they organized for the sole purpose of hunting bounties and they were good at it, providing a counterpoint to PKing groups which had been around for some time. Helping to create organized opposition lead to BHer events like All saints day in 2008 and the organized opposition to Samhain Slaughter.  BHer groups are a feature of the game today. Now, while I might well be unaware of a notable group or two that would damage this argument, one thing I am fairly sure of is that TX was instrumental in introducing BHer arms into super groups. There were super groups before TX, but since their inception from Alliance 45 to Cannonball Crew to SDN, TX was there making their specialized services a part of how groups like this would operate. Regardless of how one feels about BHing groups or supergroups, they are a part of Malton life and TX helped make them what they are today. Long winded but I hope it helps. --{{User:A.schwan/sig}} <sub>Friday, 6 July 2012</sub>
NOTE: I AM SORRY ABOUT ANY SPELLING ERRORS SO YEA BYE!!!!
#::there is nothing "super" about any of the groups you just mentioned.--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>03:08, 6 July 2012 </small>
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#:::Funny then that you are listed as leadership on [[New Malton Colossus|a group that evidently thinks otherwise]]. Might want to see to setting that straight :P --{{User:A.schwan/sig}} <sub>Friday, 6 July 2012</sub>
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#::::i can still think they are D-bags can't i? and the NMC is a collective with no real leadership. cat herding comes to mind.--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>05:05, 6 July 2012 </small>
#::[[Shearbank Liberation Army]], [[Dulston Defense Death Squad]], to name a few old BHer groups (or semi-BHer groups) of the old days that has Historical status, Al. Sure, they were limited to a single location and didn't use Rogue's Gallery as heavily as today's BHer groups, but they were still BHer groups. Just...correcting your facts a little there, Al. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 15:36, 6 July 2012 (BST)
#:::They didn't use RG <u>at all</u> because it didn't exist yet. The concept of bounties didn't even exist. Back then it was just a PK List hosted on Desensitized with screenshots of last known locations. Ironicly, though, it was former members of [[DARIS]], whom the [[SLA]] were were at war with that were partially responsible for the modern bounty system. That new group was called The [[Council of Leaders (new)]], led by [[User:Katthew|Katthew]] (and others). They were the real pioneers in Bounty Hunting as are those members of [[DEM]] who founded the Rogues Gallery. Just correcting some of your facts, Axe. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>17:41, 6 July 2012 (UTC)</sub>
#:::Thanks Axe, I figured I missed a few, but the fact remains, these groups were institutional or regionally strategic. I still maintain that the 08 groups brought something new to the table that was not there before and still is there today. TX to me was the most successful and recognized of the newer batch. Their influence was formative and therefore historically significant.--{{User:A.schwan/sig}} <sub>Friday, 6 July 2012</sub>
#::::That can be seen both ways. For one, I honestly believed RG was a lot better back then before it moved to it's current home. TX deserves a spot in historical, but ''not'' for the reasons you've stated here. It's the same with CK. CK deserves to be historical too, but not for the reasons stated in both CK votes. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 01:05, 7 July 2012 (BST)
#::Where are you getting your information regarding dates? I assume it's the wiki, and you don't realise that the history gets wiped every so often, making the History tab inherently unreliable. The [[Malton Marshals]] date back to [http://web.archive.org/web/20060510154131/http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Malton_Marshals 2006 or so]. [[Fascist Pig Hunters]] adopted that name and their PKer hunting ways at the beginning of 2006. Pretty sure the [[CDF]]'s PKer Response Unit (PKRU) dates back to '06 as well, but you'd have to check with them because they don't make much information publicly available. Either way, while TX were certainly notable the last few years, you can in no way call them a founding bounty hunting group. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 02:07, 8 July 2012 (BST)
#:::My guess is the earliest possible entry in the History tab, although had Al checked their [[Talk:Malton Marshals|talk page]]... --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 02:45, 8 July 2012 (BST)
#::::Yes, that was my guess too. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 03:09, 8 July 2012 (BST)
#:::::Yes that is where it came from. I was unaware of the history wipes. I mentioned that this all predates me right? I might still argue though that being the principle torch-bearer of a tradition is a historically significant role, as is advancing the work of a predecessor into a more public arena. Without treating this as notable, there are gaps in your timeline. --{{User:A.schwan/sig}} <sub>Sunday, 8 July 2012</sub>
#::::::Aye. The formation of the groups I mentioned predate me, too; I just read a lot. (And had to set the record straight.) {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 03:48, 8 July 2012 (BST)
#:::::::It's also probably worth mention here that the RG list was predated by CDF and DHPD's lists in addition to whatever was running on ressenz/dessenz at the time. There was a point in time where the go to list recommendation was those two groups wiki based PKer bounty lists(which I believe are still somewhat maintained?).--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 20:10, 8 July 2012 (BST)
#::::::Ya, the wiki history is periodically wiped as to not slow down and strain the servers. We were suppose to get another history wipe a few months ago (as stated by Kevan himself), but it seems that wipe never occured. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 03:53, 8 July 2012 (BST)
# Why are they historical? Because they were effective? Did they change the game? Is this another popularity contest? --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 20:08, 4 July 2012 (BST)
# As above. This vote is largely irrelevant, as there is clearly a bandwagon rolling. However, I'm really not seeing this at all. They were... alright and that's about it. If a CV features only events that the applicant actually has to explain then there is not much there. If there were a category for Historical Characters (and I have long believed that there should be), then Josh Clark would make it. Team Xtreme though? Not for me. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 20:32, 4 July 2012 (BST)
#:Edited to add: The menstrual outbursts added to the initial proposal are absolutely absurd. There is no evidence of significant PKer bias in the contrasting votes for TX and Pathetic Bill and there isn't necessarily a need to 'change the game' in order to make the list. The Bills were very original, highly influential and famous both on the map and in the metagame. In short, they added something new. TX, while a good team, were essentially just a later equivalent of other older groups, spent much of their career perceptibly overshadowed by the Saints, embarked upon repeated incarnations of Operation Trenchyname (about which only those directly involved gave even a quarter of a damn) and have a CV upon which half the content relates to their alliances/service to other groups. Of the three examples that Josh has cited in his edit, two involve unheard of 'wars' with very minor groups ('...things of legend'? How embarrassing.) and the other amounts to 'We tagged along on a major event, tried to fuck it up and failed.' It's hardly C4NT stuff.
#:As for the alleged 'PKer bias', holy fucking shit. Before slinging that accusation about, try taking off the tinfoil hat and having an objective look at some of the 'Yes' votes: I can see at least 11 that offer no reasoning at all, more that offer specious reasons and more than a few obvious RSVPs to the meatpuppet house-party. In short, even if a couple of PKers are voting without due objective consideration, they aren't even close to leveling the circle jerk score.
#:The one thing on which I will agree with Josh is that things should indeed change in this category. However, they need to change in a way that would mean that no-one would bother even proposing a group like TX for Historical Group status. My own interpretation of 'Historical' is less stringent than Karek's, but it's far closer to his than the circle jerk mess that this category has become. If I had my way then about 80% of the current groups would have their status removed and I would never have even allowed Columbine Kids to be put forward at all. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 19:19, 9 July 2012 (BST)
#:I'm a lot better looking than you. No hard feelings. --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 06:44, 6 July 2012 (BST) 
#::Yeah, but my penis is far larger and we both know that that's what the bitches really love, brah. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 19:19, 9 July 2012 (BST)
#:::Stop flirting with me. --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 23:28, 9 July 2012 (BST) 
#::::Don't deny your feelings, Paddy. There is no shame in love. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 09:18, 10 July 2012 (BST)
# never heard of you and frankly the number of votes such a none group are getting makes it obvious how much of a joke this category has become. Seriously... what did you do that made an impact, let alone changed the game? --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 22:29, 4 July 2012 (BST)
# Good at what they did, I guess. Outstandingly so? Nope. Uniquely so? Nope. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 23:37, 4 July 2012 (BST)
# No real game significance--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 23:43, 4 July 2012 (BST)
# As Paddy and Moloch. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 01:47, 5 July 2012 (BST)
# {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 04:55, 5 July 2012 (BST)
# I liked Team Xtreme. They were good at what they did and weren't obnoxious about it, either. Other groups have gotten Historical due to being so good that they forced other groups to change their tactics to deal with them, but I don't think TX did that. And I really don't think TX had the sort of presence that impacted the suburbs they went through. I'm rather sad to find that they've disbanded though. Until I saw this, I thought they were still active. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 05:30, 5 July 2012 (BST)
#:Hey, where the hell have you been? Imma stalk u now. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>23:04, 5 July 2012 (UTC)</sub>
# This group has never been important or notable. Nor have they had any real impact on the game or 90% of the meta at any point in their history. If Team Xtreme had never existed not only would no one here have noticed, no one here would have cared. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 11:31, 5 July 2012 (BST)
# No.--[[User:Akbar|Akbar]] 18:21, 6 July 2012 (BST)
#: From CK's last crash n' burn:
#:Yeah, everyone knows who they were, they had a sense of humor, and they killed a lot of people. Good enough for me.--Akbar 02:11, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
#:This is the group that most voters here agree were at least famous and good at BHing (meaning they killed a lot of people). And humor? TX launched the Cheetos wars on CtD and famously mocked the Heathers as they fought . Sense of humor indeed. But keep fucking that chicken of hypocrisy.--[[User:Penguinpyro|Penguinpyro]] 23:36, 9 July 2012 (BST)
# No. A highly visible and fairly well coordinated bounty hunting fixture for many years, but didn't change the game nor challenge the perimeters, nor do anything singularly more spectacular, sophisticated or successful than any other group. --{{User:RenegadeRomero/Sig}} 01:06, 7 July 2012 (BST)
# Meh. Even if they were "highly significant" within bounty hunting (and I've seen little indication that they were, they were just very good at it, they didn't change the way people bounty hunt) it's kind of silly to say that that makes you historical. If you say being very good or even the best at a given subsection of the game is noteworthy, you get in to a weird line of argumentation. If there's a really specialised section of the game e.g. people who hunt people who hunt people who hunt zergs, if the people who do that are very good at it, are they historical? No. Because what they do represents a very small aspect of the game which is largely insignificant. If we look at the history of the game, these guys didn't change it in any way; they aren't a landmark on it. They were just very good at playing the game as it was. '''Not Historical'''. --[[User:Shortround|<span style="color:Black">Short</span>]][[User talk:Shortround|<span style="color: Black">round</span>]] }.{ [[Special:Contributions/Shortround|<span style="color:Black">My Contributions</span>]] 01:19, 7 July 2012 (BST)
# No. There is absolutely nothing that stands out about them, historically or otherwise. -- {{User:CyanEyed/Sig}} 14:12, 7 July 2012 (BST)
# How did this group change the way UD is played or have a significant impact on the community at large, i.e. on the whole, not just in one or two suburbs. It didn't. And I don't have to have been around a lot lately to tell from the application that this group is NOT qualfiied. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 14:28, 7 July 2012 (BST)
# Team Xtreme was a good group filled with players who had class. No one who was ever bountied by one of their members can say that the person who killed them was a dick about it. But they didn't really impact the game enough to justify a historical group. -- [[User:Goribus|Goribus]] 02:11, 8 July 2012 (BST)
# After considering all the arguments on both sides and my own thoughts, I'm going to have to come down on the '''not historical''' side. While I always enjoyed playing against Team Xtreme, I don't consider them to have changed the way I or any of my groups played – which, I might remind you ,included the largest PKer groups in the game. Albert Schwan's argument, that they were the first BH group to be part of a "supergroup", can be disproved singlehandedly by [[CDF]] in the old days (they were HUGE) and their PKRU, or by the [[DEM]]'s [[Malton Marshals]] branch, both of which were extant several years prior to Team Xtreme's founding.<br/> In my opinion, your strongest argument for Historical Status is the movies and videos put out by Josh Clark. That man is a star! <small>(N.B. I may be biased by having appeared in his first animated movie. {{shifty}})</small> {{User:Revenant/Sig}}
# Not outstanding enough. A good group but not of the same calibre as genuinely game-changing groups like Pathetic Bill. Sorry. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 10:32, 10 July 2012 (BST)
#<s> No. Five years in the game, never heard of them.  [[User:Rib15|Rib15]] 00:49, 19 July 2012 (BST)</s>


#'''Yes''' - Vandr? --[[User:Bob_Fortune|Sir Bob Fortune]] <sup>[[Red Rum|RR]]</sup> 19:10, 16 June 2008 (BST)
'''And that's a wrap'''. Turn out the lights, the party's over: With 25 votes for and 19 against, Team Xtreme fails to make the grade. <Insert conspiracy theory here>. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 01:46, 19 July 2012 (BST)
#'''No''' - are you kiddin? --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[LCD|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 21:15, 16 June 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' Deletess it. It hurts ussss. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[TBA]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 06:27, 17 June 2008 (BST)
#'''WTF? No''' --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:16, 17 June 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Get out --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 12:45, 17 June 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - An important group in Malton. Almost as good as [[2 Cool]] x [[The Arkham Sisters]] ^ [[ALiM]]--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:50, 17 June 2008 (BST)
# '''No.''' This is a joke, amirite?--{{User:Ashley Valentine/sig}} 16:11, 17 June 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Get the fuck out. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 16:17, 17 June 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Huzzah! --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[DR]] News</sup> 16:38, 17 June 2008 (BST)
#'''McGuyver?''' - Didn't think so. --{{User:Goofy Mccoy/sig}} 16:52, 17 June 2008 (BST)
#'''HighlyPoliteCentaurs?''' You do know that people can't just delete your page don't you? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:05, 17 June 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]]  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 17:24, 17 June 2008 (BST)
#'''Nein''' - even my German is better than that English. <u><big>[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">D</span>]]</big><nowiki>ance</nowiki><big>[[User Talk:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:lime;font-weight:bold">D</span>]]</big><nowiki>ance</nowiki><big>[[User:DanceDanceRevolution/media|<span style="color:Aqua;font-weight:bold">R</span>]]</big>evolution</u> 03:18, 18 June 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - "no one has joined except one" --[[User:Pdeq|<span style="color: green">Pdeq</span>]]<sup><span style="color: blue">[[User_talk:Pdeq|Talk]][[Signature Race|*]]</span></sup> 16:02, 18 June 2008 (BST)--[[User:Pdeq|<span style="color: green">Pdeq</span>]]<sup><span style="color: blue">[[User_talk:Pdeq|Talk]][[Signature Race|*]]</span></sup> 16:02, 18 June 2008 (BST)
#'''Obviously yes'''.--[[User_talk:Finis Valorum|Luke Skywalker]] 16:50, 18 June 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Sorry, but you haven't really done anything historically noteworthy.  --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 00:13, 19 June 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' Sorry. --{{User:Secruss/Sig}}00:05, 22 June 2008 (BST)
#'''YES''' TEH MOST IMPORTENT GROUP IN MALTON11!!!11! --{{User:Wasted wallaby/sig}} 12:34, 23 June 2008 (BST)
#'''OH GOD YES''' --[[User:Gerald Mires|Gerald Mires]] 18:01, 24 June 2008 (BST)
#'''Jesus Fuck No''' - GTFO. --[[User:Cyberbob240|brb, church]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[CGR]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 18:16, 24 June 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Who?  {{User:BillyClubThorton/signature}} 18:29, 24 June 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - You bring disgrace to more deserving groups everywhere. --[[User:Macampos|Private Mark]] 20:16, 24 June 2008 (BST)
#'''Super No''' - You guys had only six members (by the looks of it on your wiki page), have hardly been in any kind of historical event (wiki page list maybe 3), and it just seems like you guys didnt really really do anything to contribute. --[[User:Dromar 3|Dromar 3]] 11:01, July 6, 2008 (EST)
#'''No''' - [[User:Hibernaculum|Hibernaculum]] 18:29, 6 July 2008 (BST)
#'''LOLNOU''' - Suburban Ed?--{{User:WOOT/sig}} 02:27, 7 July 2008 (BST)


Failed 19 (76%)'''Against''' 6 '''For''' [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[TBA]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 07:02, 7 July 2008 (BST)
===[[Columbine Kids]]===


===[[Gibsonton Independence Board]]===
10 months have passed since [[Category_talk:Historical_Groups/FailedArchive#Columbine_Kids|the last nomination]], which furthermore failed by just one vote. I see it thus as justified to re-approach them and see how well their reputation has kept up.
GIB was a coalition of 10 or so dedicated fighters which exterminated what was left of the Gibsonton Nationals in a matter of days. It got much attention from the community despite the fact that the Nationals disbanded 4 hours before the attack began. It was created around April 22nd, invaded May 20th, and disbanded upon completion of it's mission May 31st. -- {{User:Labine50/sig}} 02:43, 9 June 2008 (BST)
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#'''Yes''' - Assuming we're allowed to vote on our own submissions.--{{User:Labine50/sig}} 02:43, 9 June 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]]  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 02:44, 9 June 2008 (BST)
#'''For Liberty''' - YO NIKO! IT'S ME! YOUR COUSIN ROMAN!... yes--{{User:WOOT/sig}} 02:45, 9 June 2008 (BST)
#'''Okie''' --{{User:The Surgeon General/sig}} 02:45, 9 June 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - They saved my favorite suburb!  Definitely yes.  --{{User:Doctor_Wolf/sig}} 02:46, 9 June 2008 (BST)
#'''YES''' - [[User:P4X639|Great Lord P4X639, MFD]] 02:47, 9 June 2008 (BST)
#'''SI''' - Donde esta mi dinero, Senor Labine?--{{User:The_bluefish/sig}} 02:53, 9 June 2008 (BST)
#:Dans le courrier.--{{User:Labine50/sig}} 03:01, 9 June 2008 (BST)
#'''YESSIR''' - --{{User:Goofy Mccoy/sig}} 02:55, 9 June 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Never heard of em.--[[User:Alphy|Alphy]] 04:26, 9 June 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' as Alpy--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 04:28, 9 June 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Sorry, never heard of you. And I think that's understandable, given how short this coalition lasted. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 04:33, 9 June 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 04:47, 9 June 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' --[[User:RichterFury|RichterFury]] 05:13, 9 June 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' A mission accomplished so quickly is a historical event and in some ways showed just what is possible in this game.  --[[User:Vandr|Vandr]] 05:52, 9 June 2008 (BST)
#'''YES''' This group did so many good things {{User:Risen_Jihad/sig}} 06:11, 9 June 2008 (BST)
#:I'm pretty sure they only killed like 3 or 4 of us, after we disbanded for a totally different reason. Hell, I hope this thing goes historical so that I can point out how much of a joke this whole wiki voting thing is.--[[User:Alphy|Alphy]] 06:26, 9 June 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - They did a great job, even though lots of people tried to pretend they did nothing. {{User:Lemonhead7t7/Sig}} 06:41, 9 June 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Never heard of them. <u><big>[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">D</span>]]</big><nowiki>ance</nowiki><big>[[User Talk:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:lime;font-weight:bold">D</span>]]</big><nowiki>ance</nowiki><big>[[User:DanceDanceRevolution/media|<span style="color:Aqua;font-weight:bold">R</span>]]</big>evolution</u> 07:47, 9 June 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' WTF? [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[TBA]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 07:56, 9 June 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Are you kidding? You failed horribly. --[[User:Kikashie|Kikashie]] <sup>[[Dulston Alliance/Newspaper|Read the Dispatch!]]</sup> 16:33, 9 June 2008 (BST)
#:Exactly how did you come to that conclusion? No, really, please tell me. I'm interested in hearing what exactly goes through your head.--{{User:Labine50/sig}} 23:31, 9 June 2008 (BST)
#::The Nationals disbanded before you got there, you were hardly around for a month, and you did nothing beneficial for the suburb of Gibsonton. That said, what exactly makes the GIB historically worthy? Oh, wait, you "got attention from the community". Honestly, if you asked half the people in Gibsonton who the "GIB" was, they'd have no Idea. --[[User:Kikashie|Kikashie]] <sup>[[Dulston Alliance/Newspaper|Read the Dispatch!]]</sup> 01:11, 10 June 2008 (BST)
#:::When you say "The Nationals disbanded before you got there", you seem to be assuming that we created maps, plans, recruited 8 or so people, then got them stocked up and in position over the 3 hours between the GN disbanding and GIB going public. I, personally, was there a good month before they disbanded to help shoot zombies using the group affiliation "34th Airborne Division". Some stragglers and late recruits got there 48-24 hours before they disbanded. We were in position and ready to attack 12-6 hours before they disbanded. I was on IM reminding people about the attack an hour before they disbanded. Regardless of how we, in your mind, magically appeared out of nowhere, we helped the area in a lot of ways. I was there for about a month as mentioned above, we had a full time medic, and we shared our (Admittedly limited) intel with local groups. If I asked half the people of Gibsonton, they probably wouldn't know who the DEM, BBB, RRF, or any of those other fine groups were. You can hardly gauge how important a group is based on a few uninformed people. '''TL;DR'''- You and everything you believe is wrong.--{{User:Labine50/sig}} 05:31, 10 June 2008 (BST)
#::::Who did you share intel with... the PKers? Heh heh, honestly, nothing you did makes the GIB worth historical status. Sure, you did... something... supposedly... but nothing worth remembering. --[[User:Kikashie|Kikashie]] <sup>[[Dulston Alliance/Newspaper|Read the Dispatch!]]</sup> 20:42, 10 June 2008 (BST)
#:::::First off, I find it interesting that you chose to ignore some of the best points I made about just how wrong you were. Second, any intel that GIB had was available to The Imperium, the GDA, (Though I don't know if they used the account that was set up) and The Saints. I would also like to add that you would be best off if you didn't try to pretend that GIB didn't exist, or whatever you were trying to get across with that last sentence, and to remember that I'm not just a DEM member. (Whatever problems you might have with them aside.)--{{User:Labine50/sig}} 02:26, 11 June 2008 (BST)
#::::::What I was trying to get across with that last sentence, is exactly what I said. What did you do that was worth remembering? When you hold the GIB up against groups like the BBB, the Mall tours, the Bash, and Ghetto Cow, it just doesn't compare. You didn't do anything remarkable, or worth noting. Pretty much read Swiers' vote. --[[User:Kikashie|Kikashie]] <sup>[[Dulston Alliance/Newspaper|Read the Dispatch!]]</sup> 04:39, 11 June 2008 (BST)
#:::::::You asked a question and then answered it yourself with what you apparently think is the truth, so I'm not exactly sure what to say right now. See Woot's vote.--{{User:Labine50/sig}} 05:19, 11 June 2008 (BST)
#::::::::The GN left 2 hours before the GIB arrived. What did you liberate Gibsonton from? You didn't help fight the "Invasions Of Gibsonton", you made a truce with them. There was no GN to attack, just some DA and randoms. Nor were there any zombies in the area. --{{User:Secruss/Sig}}20:14, 15 June 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Hai guis lets hunt amazing ingame! He left? How about someone even less importants?!--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:07, 9 June 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' -- [[User:Deathwire|Deathwire]] 19:00, 9 June 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' -- [[User:Perzeus|Perzeus]] 20:15, 9 June 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' -- Sandra Bullock en le bus --[[User:Karloth_vois|K]][http://sites.gizoogle.com/index2.php?url=http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User_talk:Karloth_vois arloth Vois TALK] <sup>[http://sites.gizoogle.com/index2.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.urbandead.com%2Findex.php%2FRed_Rum RR]</sup> 19:27, 9 June 2008 (BST)
#'''You have to be kidding me? No!''' -- [[User:Officer Murphy|Officer Murphy]] 22:52, 9 June 2008 (BST)
#'''No.''' Someone promised there'd be refreshments. '''I SEE NO REFRESHMENTS.''' [[User:Mikhos|Mikhos]] 01:40, 10 June 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' Never really seen you guys do much. [[User:Jaydepps|Jaydepps]] 02:03, 10 June 2008 (BST)
#:90% of those that have voted "No" are people who voted "No", GIB's sworn enemies. Their votes are biased and unfounded.--{{User:Labine50/sig}} 05:36, 10 June 2008 (BST)
#::I could have swore that the only reason you're trying to vote this historical was to piss me off. You're not supposed to be entertaining me! And you helped the burb a lot when you decided to kill some of the anti-pker defenders and side with the Imperium Must Die Coalition. That was awful classy of you.--[[User:Alphy|Alphy]] 17:21, 10 June 2008 (BST)
#:::And I thought someone here didn't read Brainstock... --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]]  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 21:18, 10 June 2008 (BST)
#::::We don't need to read Apallingstock to smell the scent of "Complete Flop." --{{User:Secruss/Sig}}20:17, 15 June 2008 (BST)
#:::::that is undboubtedly true.  The smell of complete flop comes off of every single group you've ever tried to create.  I mean it's like suck became a member of the wiki community and its signature is secruss or alphy I mean you guys do take breaks from blowing each other to post right or do you just do it together?--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 03:40, 18 June 2008 (BST)
#::::::Kristi getting all hot and bothered over Secruss badmouthing a group the DEM supposedly had no hand in? Shit like the above comment is going pretty low for people who "Don't take the game too seriously"--[[User:Alphy|Alphy]] 23:42, 18 June 2008 (BST)
#:::::::No no I just like to kick you and secruss in the nuts whenever the chance comes up.  I mean I spend a fraction of the time bitching at you guys that Secruss wastes coming up with his anti  DEM liberation group flavor of the month.  And besides that it's alot of fun scraping the bottom of the barrel with you guys.--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 02:58, 20 June 2008 (BST)
#::::::::Tomorrow's flavor: Satanic Auto De Fey. --{{User:Secruss/Sig}}00:12, 22 June 2008 (BST)
# '''Hell No''' - Never heard of them, and even the submission makes them sound like a small flash in the pan survivor group that existed only to declare war on another fairly small survivor group, with unimportant results.  Pretty much the definition of NOT historic.  {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 22:06, 10 June 2008 (BST)
# '''WTFNO''' - That, is perhaps the funniest group I've ever heard of. Phail. -- {{User:BlackReaper/sig}} 05:30, 11 June 2008 (BST)
# '''Yuh''' - [[User:Druuuuu|Ocular]] <sup style="font-size:70%">[[User:Druuuuu/Ocular|Dru]][[User talk:Druuuuu|uu]][[Red Rum|uu]]</sup> 06:04, 11 June 2008 (BST)
# '''No''' - Completely fucking INSIGNIFICANT. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 19:07, 11 June 2008 (BST)
#'''Crawl Under The Carpet And Die With What Little Dignity You Ever Had''' My turn to be biased. Worst "Hail Mary" ever.--{{User:Secruss/Sig}}20:05, 15 June 2008 (BST)
#: D: --{{User:Labine50/sig}} 05:38, 22 June 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Give me a break. --[[User:Hibernaculum|Hibernaculum]] 02:48, 16 June 2008 (BST)
#'''NO''' - Jesus fucking christ? --{{User:Kalenium/sig}} 08:32, 16 June 2008 (BST)
#'''WTF? NO.''' - You existed for like, two weeks, and only after your enemy had disbanded. -- {{User:DT/Signature}} 15:51, 16 June 2008 (BST)
#'''NO''' You must be kidding me.....--[[User:Roland|Roland]] 02:18, 17 June 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - A coalition was never meant to be long term, unlike the NMC. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 16:22, 17 June 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Against my initial thoughts I vote yes.  Out of respect for Sonny's (in IRC) and the nominators persuasive reasoning. --{{User:Gus_Thomas/Sig}} 16:46, 17 June 2008 (BST)
#'''No'''--[[User_talk:Finis Valorum|Luke Skywalker]] 16:50, 18 June 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - A small group that never really did anything except hunt an already defunct small group that never really did anything.  Oh yeah, one for the books.--[[User:KF|KF]] 01:42, 22 June 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - I like them and think that they hold a place in the short history of UD --[[User:Jellofun|Jellofun]] 04:33, 22 June 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - They pwned the GN. 'Nuff said. Right now, somewhere, someplace, some time, Alphy has devoured his own heart. --[[User:Blanemcc|Blanemcc]] 09:43, 22 June 2008 (BST)
#:Let the record show that this bid for historical got 49% of the vote, while the Gibsonton Nationals barely managed 33%.--{{User:Labine50/sig}} 04:10, 23 June 2008 (BST)


Failed [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[TBA]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 05:45, 24 June 2008 (BST)
It has now been much more than a year that any Columbine Kids have been active, let alone orchestrated anything together.


From their very founding day on, they have polarized the UD metagame, going even as far as getting the group [[UDWiki:Administration/Deletions/Archive/Aug_2007#Columbine_Kids|put up for deletion vote]] due to bad taste, or because no one thinks of the children, or whatever the reasoning was for those who voted for deletion. And it wasn't just at the beginning that they shocked and polarized the UD crowd, [[Talk:Columbine_Kids#I.27m_Disgusted|it even continued throughout their career]].


They have not just made impact by their concept, though. They were also effective PKers, racking up [http://rg.urbandead.net/profiles/view/754030 massive bounties], performing [http://iamscott.net/1271806991373.html highly coordinated timed strikes] and getting involved in events like the [[2008 Wedding Crash]] or [[Samhain Slaughter|Samhain Slaughter 1]] [[Samhain Slaughter 2|to]] [[Samhain Slaughter 3|3]]. You also mustn't forget their various school shooting tours they have organized and pulled off on their own.


===[[Rouge Heart Aces]]===
They were recognized in the [[Malton_Murder_Awards_MMX#Player-Killer_Awards|Malton Murder Awards 2010]] as nominee for Best PKer Group.
Truth of the matter is, I'd rather not have Sgt. Beebus's hard work on the wiki go to waste. Plus I think the RHA was a nifty idea. We started little under a year ago hunting BHers, and eventually we became Contract Killers. We pulled some strikes, politicked with the best of them, and I know we got our name out there. Due to inactivity, as well as my formal lack of leadership skills, I've decided that it's time to put the thing out of it's misery. -{{User:Vigeous/Sig}} 05:00, 23 May 2008 (BST)


#'''Yes''' - Although Yes^5 would be more accurate.--{{User:Labine50/sig}} 05:37, 23 May 2008 (BST)
Seriously, if you are involved in the PKer metagame at all, you have heard of them and their exploits. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"></span>]]</span>''' 15:16, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - Yes^5 would be good, ^.^ --[[User:Carrie Cutter|Carrie Cutter]] 06:12, 23 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - RHA were always small with, what 7 members?, didn't achieve that much and definitely didn't have a major impact on the game [[User:Sanpedro|Sanpedro]] 07:27, 23 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' --[[User:Karloth_vois|K]][http://sites.gizoogle.com/index2.php?url=http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User_talk:Karloth_vois arloth Vois TALK] <sup>[http://sites.gizoogle.com/index2.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.urbandead.com%2Findex.php%2FRed_Rum RR]</sup> 12:51, 23 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''', carried out a contract for the Knights on occasion, pulled bounty hunters and PKers together. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 15:43, 23 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Great bunch of PKers; I'm sad to see them disband.  --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 16:00, 23 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Sad to see them go.  --[[User:Sir WV|Sir WV]] 16:29, 23 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Who??? Seriously... what real impact did you have? None that I am aware of. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 18:40, 23 May 2008 (BST)
#:Because you weren't around. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]][[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [[Militant Order of Barhah|MOB]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 18:52, 23 May 2008 (BST)
#::So what? In any event, their list of "accomplishments" is anything but impressive. So, uhm, they killed a few people??? But they did so for both "sides"? ''yawn.....'' Pancakes, anyone? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 23:21, 25 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Sorry, never heard of you, or if the things you did were significant. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 18:42, 23 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes'''  --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [[Militant Order of Barhah|MOB]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 18:52, 23 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' – Brought class and style to the practice of killing people you don't know because someone else wanted you to. Sad to see the group go into the night – in no small part because I never got to work with you guys. <tt>:(</tt> {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 19:59, 23 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' And I have been around. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[DHPD]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 20:46, 23 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' Definitely!--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 21:11, 23 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' Sad to see you guys go. [[User:Ioncannon11|Ioncannon11]] 21:34, 23 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' RHA made it's mark. {{User:Paper_walls/Sig}} 21:41, 23 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' I was one of the members, I'll probably write something more interesting later..--[[User:Thekooks|KOOKY]] 22:12, 23 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' Well, of course I'd like to see my group put in Historical Status. -{{User:Vigeous/Sig}} 22:55, 23 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Huh?''' - Never heard of you. Ever. --{{User:Hhal/Sig}} 00:32, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Fuck off. Your only major achievement was holding the record for the furthest any group has been up Red Rum's collective arse. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[CGR]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 01:22, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#:Yeah, oh so far up their ass. That's why when the CGR was going to attack Red Rum I didn't tell them. That's also why I was in the CGR for a good little while, and yet I was only in Red Rum for two days. So far up their ass that I was asked to get hosted on the PKer Hub. At least I can be civil. - {{User:Vigeous/Sig}} 02:34, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' real impact on the game as a whole. Other than that all I can think of you for is echoed in Cyberbob's vote above.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:38, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - sorry, never heard of you. --[[User:Bullgod|Bullgod]] 01:41, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' A PKer always helps out a fellow. --{{User:Secruss/Sig}}01:56, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No'''. Heard of them, that's about it though.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 02:28, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No'''. Never heard of you. [[User:DanceDanceRevolution|DanceDanceRevolution]] 03:01, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - As others have said: Who? --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 03:47, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - I've worked w/ these guys a bit from time to time, & no doubt they're a good bunch. But to be deemed a ''Historical Group'' is akin to being inducted to the Hall of Fame in my eyes. It's notoriety & achievements that should determine induction, not the inevitable burn-out of one's members, & subsequent folding of said group. --{{User:Canker Sore/Siggy}} 03:57, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Never heard of them.--[[User_talk:Finis Valorum|Luke Skywalker]] 08:40, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - I'd heard of them, vaguely (although "fame" isn't '''actually''' a criteria for historical significance), and while I'm not intimately familiar with their exploits, they '''did''' win "Best Newcomer" in the Group PKer Malton Murder Awards last year, and their serving of contracts seems quite substantial in light of their short duration. I suspect that their contract-killing ways had at least ''some'' impact on the way the game is played, and I'm fully satisfied that they contributed sufficiently to the history of Malton as to justify their group's historical significance,  --[[User:Morgan Blair|Morgan Blair]] 08:47, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Why the hell not? --[[User:Jake4d1|Jake4d1]] 13:25, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Good group. They deserve it. -- {{User:BlackReaper/sig}} 18:48, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - I'm clearly pissing into the wind here, but if this is the standard that it takes to be considered an historical group then we may as well just give the status to every group which lasts six months or more before collapsing. --[[User:The Hierophant|The Hierophant]] 22:04, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - If you had anything to do with the PKer/Bounty Hunter community, you saw Vigeous and the RHA in action. Great group. -- --[[User:Russell Oakley|Russell Oakley]] 22:50, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''???''' - Who are you? --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 23:19, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - They dealt a nice bit of terror in their time. *salutes* --[[User:Headless gunner|Headless gunner]] <sup>[[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup> 01:08, 25 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Oh, I didn't vote? Here it is. --{{User:The Surgeon General/sig}} 01:28, 25 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Why not? [[User:Icedagger|Icedagger]] 02:06, 25 May 2008 (BST)
#:{{S|'''Yes''' - Indeed. [[User: Ciscokitty|Ciscokitty]]}} Improperly signed.  --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 18:25, 28 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Among Malton's only Contract Killers --[[User:Vandr|Vandr]] 05:12, 25 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - as some of above --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[LCD|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 11:55, 25 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - What the other guys said. {{User:Dudemeister/sig}} 17:20, 25 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yarr!''' - love them cats!--[[User:Jellofun|Jellofun]] 00:19, 26 May 2008 (BST)
#'''YES''' - As Vandr, an interesting angle on an old shtick. Worth saving. --{{User:Goofy Mccoy/sig}} 05:21, 26 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - You guys are great!  I thought about joining you before I joined RR.  {{User:BillyClubThorton/signature}} 19:01, 26 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - They organized some rather memorable events, and I just plain liked 'em.--[[User:Father Thompson|<span style="color: Black">FT</span>]] <sup>[[MCI|<span style="color: Black">MCI</span>]]</sup> 07:37, 28 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - As above --[[User:Bartemius|Bartemius]] 10:06, 28 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - proved that Mercenaries don't always have to equal Trenchcoaters. --[[User:Bob_Fortune|Sir Bob Fortune]] <sup>[[Red Rum|RR]]</sup> 14:02, 4 June 2008 (BST)


Failed: 29 For 16 against 64% [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[TBA]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 09:47, 9 June 2008 (BST)
====Yes====
#See above. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 15:16, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
# --{{User:Lady Clitoria/Sig}} 15:59, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
#--{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 16:17, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
#They was robbed last time. You all is just e-cock blockin'. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>19:57, 4 February 2012 (UTC)</sub>
#--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>20:27, 4 February 2012 (bst)</small>
#They're well known, have maintained mindshare over the last year, participated in a number of major events, and were effective in doing what they set out to do. They may not have pioneered new tactics or methods for PKing, but they did make a name for themselves, and it wasn't all just bluster. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 20:43, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
#Yus! [[User:Petite Fille|Petite Fille]] 05:54, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
# for what it's worth. I think they are a lot more valid for this than many/most of the groups that are already in the category --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 15:59, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
# --[[User:ZombieDalkorian|ZombieDalkorian]] 19:33, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
# I suspect that many people never payed attention to the in-game contributions of the CK, focusing mainly on the loldrama on their talk page and on their attitude out of game. My group may have been opposed to most of their antics, but they certainly had an impact on many major events, including getting several off the ground. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 20:09, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
# Yes, I think they had a decent impact on PKing in general, and they made good use of the concept. --[[User:Shatari|Shatari]] 22:59, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
# Yeah, everyone knows who they were, they had a sense of humor, and they killed a lot of people. Good enough for me.--[[User:Akbar|Akbar]] 02:11, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
#Manson made me vote yes. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 07:30, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
# If they were historic for the PKer community, I think it would marginalize PKers to think that that isn't sufficient for them to be historic. --{{User:Moctezuma/sig}} 05:17, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
# It's possible that I may be biased... --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 11:11, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
# Likewise with the biased, but frankly we kicked ass in an incredibly tasteless manner. :D --{{User:CyanEyed/Sig}} 21:53, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
# Yeah, sure, why not? - [[User:Zombiegeorge|Zombiegeorge]] 13:46, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
# <s>I missed the last vote and would have said yes then so I'm saying yes now.--[[User:Samhain Sam|Samhain Sam]] 17:00, 18 February 2012 (UTC)</s>


====No====
#As the previous bid's against votes. Too much of their value has been put into their apparent offensiveness, and otherwise they seem only successful, and neither of these points are enough to be entitled historical, or what should be called historical.  --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:39, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
# No, Same as last time wiki drama does not make you Historical. They were just your average PKers who only PKed nothing more. This does not make you Historical.--[[User:Josh Clark|Josh Clark]] 18:21, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
# They did nothing of note besides "participated" and "had a cool name." They just floated around like typical flotsam. Hardly standout. Frankly, these guys have done zilch to be considered anywhere near the same notability as groups like  Channel Four or the old FOD.--[[User:RadicalWhig|RadicalWhig]] 01:58, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
# No, as Josh Clark. (There, I agreed with Josh for once!) They weren't historical last time this came up, and they've not become any more historical in the meantime.--{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 02:58, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
#No, while CK was a skilled collection of PKers and good fun to boot, I have to agree with AHLG.  Skilled? Yes. Historical?  Me thinks not. --[[User:Ciscokitty|Ciscokitty]] 03:27, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
# No,--[[User:Carrie Cutter|Carrie Cutter]] 03:29, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
# As one of the yes votes even indicates, they brought nothing new to the table other than wiki drama. Being coordinated and successful when other groups are out there doing the same thing does not put you on a timeline. The event participation just goes to say "and this group was also there" The school shooting tours would not seem enough to me to warrant the nod. {{User:A.schwan/sig}} <sub>Sunday, 5 February 2012</sub>
# Nope. They were notable, but not exceptional - not on a level with the other groups who are historical, and I'd prefer not to see the concept deleted by just including larger groups that hung around a while. --[[User:Rambo Ninja Spiderman|Rambo Ninja Spiderman]] 04:20, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
# Nah, either your historical, or your not... repeatedly putting something up for historical seems a bit desperate. The consensus was no last time, so I'm gonna vote no this time.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 09:33, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
#{{Squote|'''No''' - Very few pker groups do enough to be considered notable or historic. The only reason anyone knows who the Columbine Kids are is pretty much some very minor wiki drama. They're no Amish, Red Rum, or DEA. They didn't help make a huge event and the most you can even note them for in their nomination is as being a tag along? An Historic Group these things do not make.|[[User:Karek|myself last time around]]}}<br />  Nothing has changed except now even less people care about them. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 09:56, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
#{{Squote|'''No''' - emphatically as Karek.|[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|myself last time around]]}} <br />{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 11:15, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
# No, their only notoriety is having a shock name and like ten year olds, they want attention for it. Their whining makes me even less inclined to vote for them. [[User:Herr Gerdongerdorf|Herr Gerdongerdorf]] 20:21, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
# No, I have no interest in seeing a group made historical for their impact on the metagame. -- {{User:RobOppenheimer/Sig}} 19:49, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
# No. As Anime and Karek. You're holding on to MMORPG accomplishments a little too tightly, brother. Let it go. --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 18:03, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
#No.  This group was not notable enough to warrant any further comment.  {{User:BillyClubThorton/signature}} 06:10, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
# No. Attention grabbing name, but not much substance. [[User:Jesussante|Jesus Sante]] <sup>[[CFT]]</sup> 18:04, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
# No.  As Anime.  [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 16:33, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
# No. The group wasn't notable enough to be considered historic. [[User:Standard Zombie|Standard Zombie]] 22:37, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
# No. Barely ever heard of them in-game. Also, per AHLG.-- [[Image:Cat Pic.png|14px]] [[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''Thadeous Oakley''']]</span> [[User_Talk:MisterGame|<span style= "color: black; background-color: white">'''''Talk''''']]</span>  23:03, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
# '''No'''. Who? {{User:Son of Sin/sig}} <small>11:55, 14 February 2012 (UTC)</small>
# <s>NO for all the reasons above. [[User:Duck J|Duck J]] 17:10, 18 February 2012 (UTC)</s>


===[[DEM]]===
'''SWING AND A MISS!''' - Voting is over and the poll says "No". --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 15:27, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
Where would the game have been without these guys? They were really rather awesome chaps, essentially the acting government for a good period of the game. If you didn't rely on their help during a siege or even when your suburb was down, you most likely weren't a harman. Fair and just. Reasonable. Good scones. And by gum, they were benevolent dictators. Good show all round! -- [[User:Karloth_vois|K]][http://sites.gizoogle.com/index2.php?url=http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User_talk:Karloth_vois arloth Vois TALK] <sup>[http://sites.gizoogle.com/index2.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.urbandead.com%2Findex.php%2FRed_Rum RR]</sup> 21:34, 24 May 2008 (BST)
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# '''Yes''' - They will be sorely missed. --[[User:Karloth_vois|K]][http://sites.gizoogle.com/index2.php?url=http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User_talk:Karloth_vois arloth Vois TALK] <sup>[http://sites.gizoogle.com/index2.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.urbandead.com%2Findex.php%2FRed_Rum RR]</sup> 21:34, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' -Wah? Aren't their subgroups and such still active? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:48, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#''' Yes''' - If it's on the wiki it must be true. --{{User:The Surgeon General/sig}} 22:08, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#''No'' - As they were like a co-op of really separate & independent groups they should be put up one by one to honor their awesomeness and individuality. It's a terrible shame as they really were good people at heart. I hope the children's families can find it in their hearts to forgive, and manage to move forward. --[[User:SiIIyLiIIyPiIly|SiIIyLiIIyPiIly]] 22:30, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - So, with 73 known members in the [[MFD]], 44 in the [[MEMS]], 103 in the [[MPD]], 53 in the [[MFU]], 24 in the [[MM]], 43 in the [[MCDU]], and 16 in [[AH]], for a total number of '''''283''''' known members in the many branches of the [[DEM]] (as listed in the Game Statistics when I checked just now), it would hardly seem as if this umbrella group is merely a memory of Malton's historic days-gone-past. But, as the various group boxes on their [[Department of Emergency Management/Recruitment|recruitment]] page would place that total much higher, at 473, I am ready to believe that an order to disband has indeed been given. '''''However''''', as that same page indicates that the DEM is "currently looking for volunteers from all across Malton to join its ranks", and I have not seen any official statements that would contradict, I cannot—for the moment—support this nomination. --[[User:Morgan Blair|Morgan Blair]] 22:58, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - The DEM's Department of Truth would like to inform all nay-sayers that the Department of Emergency Management is historical for many reasons, such as when we single-handedly removed an attacking force of 300 000 zombies from Ackland, Caiger, and Calvert malls all at once with a dedicated squad of 27 fighters. We later convinced Kevan to edit the server so none of this would show in game. The Department also denies that it has an evil robot army, or that it's robot army is evil. Thanks, Assistant Fire Chief {{User:Labine50/sig}} 23:07, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - They're still active, as a bunch of sub-groups. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 23:13, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' only if RG=DEM--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 23:38, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - I haven't seen anything to indicate their disbanding. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[CGR]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 01:47, 25 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Never heard of them. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [[Militant Order of Barhah|MOB]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 03:15, 25 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' -  They were a small group with few accomplishments outside of the sole suburb that they patrolled.  Really they never had more than two or three active members.  What did they do that is worthy of historical note?  --[[User:Vandr|Vandr]] 05:09, 25 May 2008 (BST)
#'''???''' Who? --{{User:DT/Signature}} 05:38, 25 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' Never heard of them. If we just went around giving historical status to any group that's made it six months without dying, we should just hand them out to everyone. '''NEVER''' -- {{User:BlackReaper/sig}} 20:28, 25 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Never disbanded to begin with. --[[User:Macampos|Private Mark]] 21:47, 25 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Other than running a couple of cool tools (Rogues Gallery and the Revification Request Tool) and the Red Rum/DEM Mutual Admiration Society on Brainstock, they weren't especially active, I rarely saw them in-game... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 23:16, 25 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - never liked them, never will!  Escpecially those dirty RG birds!  --[[User:Jellofun|Jellofun]] 00:12, 26 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Inelegible, still active. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 00:16, 26 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Zergers deserve no recognition. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:22, 26 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - And as much as I like Karloth...this is close to spamaliscious vandalisiousness. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[TBA]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 02:20, 26 May 2008 (BST)
#'''YES''' Must be historical. They've been around for so freakin' long they deserve it. --{{User:Axe27/Sig}} 02:46, 26 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - They can be ''historical'' when they are, in fact, history. Until then... --{{User:Canker Sore/Siggy}} 05:10, 26 May 2008
#'''No''' - Aren't they still around? Never liked em anyways.... [[User:Jaydepps|Jaydepps]] 05:56, 26 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Still active. --[[User:Druuuuu|Druuuuu]] <sup style="font-size:70%">[[User:Druuuuu/Ocular|Oc]][[User talk:Druuuuu|T]][[Red Rum|RR]]</sup> 03:49, 27 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Nah''' - A completely worthless group that never did a thing that that could be considered worth of this nomination.  If memory serves me right, they only had something like 3 or 4 players anyway. --[[User:Sir WV|Sir WV]] 02:37, 28 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Because I fear Room 101, and because this wiki has become (always was?) a bullshit exercise for self-righteous bureaucrats in training. I'm surprised I'm even eligible to vote. Or am I? --[[User:Paddy Dignam|Paddy Dignam]] 02:55, 28 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No'''-- this group has only one member, and has never had more than one member.  They're not even recruiting, and their one member is still active.  WTF?--[[User:Father Thompson|<span style="color: Black">FT</span>]] <sup>[[MCI|<span style="color: Black">MCI</span>]]</sup> 07:40, 28 May 2008 (BST)
#:{{S|'''Yes''' Excuse me? Time for an official voice. We at the DEM have been committed to helping the city at all times during these dark years. Indeed, there are only about 400 of us and we are spread out over the whole of Malton, but we try. Anybody who is anti-DEM is only so because we try harder than their group. And for your interest, we are still recruiting. We are actively searching for willing survivors to help our cause. However, we (well, the NE division at least) for the last few weeks have been doing overtime to clear up recent horde devastation. Although, interestingly, in parallel to earlier comments, we are considering converging into one giant "DEM" group.}} Unsigned.  --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 18:26, 28 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Still active.  --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 18:26, 28 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - If their branches are still active, they are. If their services remain operational, they do. --[[User:Vandurn|Vandurn]] 02:19, 29 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - See Labine's vote.  --{{User:Doctor_Wolf/sig}} 07:08, 29 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Great, yes, worth the status, yes, but inactive, no. [[User:DanceDanceRevolution|DanceDanceRevolution]] 09:23, 29 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No'''- In the DEM wiki, it says "The DEM is not a group itself...". There you go, cant be a "historical group" if its not a group.[[User:Heathbulldog]] 1:03, 4 June 2008 (BST)
 
Failed 20% 25 against 6 for. And teh fact that the gruop was still active didn't help matters. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[TBA]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 08:04, 9 June 2008 (BST)


===[[Columbine Kids]]===
Now that probably the last member wearing the tags has switched to a different group (welcome to Cobra, YOG :P) and the group as such hasn't coordinated at all for a long while (the forums have been down for months), it's probably about time to recognize Columbine Kids as historical.


===[[Gibsonton Nationals]]===
From their very founding day on, they have polarized the UD metagame, going even as far as getting the group [[UDWiki:Administration/Deletions/Archive/Aug_2007#Columbine_Kids|put up for deletion vote]] due to bad taste, or because no one thinks of the children, or whatever the reasoning was for those who voted for deletion. And it wasn't just at the beginning that they shocked and polarized the UD crowd, [[Talk:Columbine_Kids#I.27m_Disgusted|it even continued throughout their career]].
Hey, I think it sounds kind of wierd that the leader of the group is suggesting it, but I was told that I should nominate the group for historical status. I disbanned the group very recently. Our goals were to keep the suburb of Gibsonton relatively outside-influence free, a mission that I think we did a very good job of accomplishing. We were around from December to present, and fought many, many small skirmishes against various groups. Our most vocal enemy was the DEM, which we succeeded in keeping out of the burb amongst much bickering. We were, I hope certain other groups don't mind me saying, somewhat instrumental is rebuilding the burb amidst the recent incursions of BB2 and The Dead. We helped shape the political landscape of Gibsonton significantly through the removal (and it turns out destruction) of the Winchester Boyz. And we fought against the recent pker invasion of Gibsonton. Thank you.
--[[User:Alphy|Alphy]] 22:03, 19 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - They desereve it as they have retook the burb many a time from zombie hands and deserve due credit. Also so few in number they achieved all their goals and these are my reasons for voting yes. --[[User:tom1504|tom1504]] 22:21, 19 May 2008 (GMT)
#'''Yes''' - I was in the group. It was glorious. Even I was surprised by how much we accomplished. --[[User:Alphy|Alphy]] 22:32, 19 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - They were busy during their active time and I know gave the DEM quite a few headaches in the area as well as impacting the politics of the region for the time they were active.--{{User: Garviel Loken/Sig}}22:33, 19 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yeah Dude''' "The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long." -Blade Runner --{{User:Secruss/Sig}}22:38, 19 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' --[[User:Kikashie|Kikashie]] <sup>[[Dulston Alliance/Newspaper|Read the Dispatch!]]</sup> 23:44, 19 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - More influential groups than yourselves have failed Historical Group bids. --{{User:The Surgeon General/sig}} 04:48, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - as TSG --[[User:Dipcup|Dipcup]] 04:50, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#'''HAHAHAHAHAHA... No'''--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 04:52, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - for a group thats been around for less than a year? --[[User:Virus002|Virus002]] 04:53, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - I'd never even heard of them until the Gibsonton Must Die thing started, and then only because they were listed in the allies section of the Imperium. They're as obscure as all fuck and have had about as much impact on the game as any of dozens of other obscure minor groups. [[User:Turkmenbashi|Turkmenbashi]] 05:02, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - for the winchester boys and the fact that no one knows or cares who you are. not historical, more like hysterical--[[User:Calista griffin|Calista griffin]] 04:53, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Headaches? If by headaches, you mean "made us laugh for half a day followed up by some forum drama that everyone forgot the next week", then yeah.--{{User:Labine50/sig}} 05:21, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [[Militant Order of Barhah|MOB]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 05:38, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' Because they did nothing for Gibsonton and did everything against it by causing the disbanding of the winchies. A joke of a group, not even around for a year. Don't make me laugh. --[[User:Falcon Talon|Falcon Talon]] 05:46, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' One of the goals of the Gibsonton Nationals was not to play nice & make friends.  They wanted to kick the DEM out of Gibsonton & reform the suburb into an area that was not beholdened to the DEM.  They achieved these goals & then some.  And all of this was done on a shoe-string budget & very few members.  They deserve the credit whether you like them or not.  My vote is for yes. --[[User:Sir WV|Sir WV]] 05:59, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#:{{S|1='''No''' The Gibsonton Nationals were notable for one thing only..being obnoxious. Other than that they were really just a small-time PKer group of little note. --[[User:RichterFury|AidenFury]]}} Improperly signed.  --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 20:49, 22 May 2008 (BST)
#:{{S|1='''No.''' --[[User: Ciscokitty]]}} Improperly signed.  --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 20:49, 22 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' Never heard of you --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 06:41, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Nay''' They did better than most comparable small single suburb groups have done, but I don't see what it was that tips the scales from "better than average" to "Historical". --{{User:Goofy Mccoy/sig}} 06:58, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes'''--[[User:Mr Hootington|Mr Hootington]] 07:11, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Until I started killing you, I never heard of you.  {{User:BillyClubThorton/signature}} 11:26, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - I had never heard of you until the PK'ers on Brainstock decided to take the piss out of you. I laughed along with them. How does this group think it can acheive historical status? You have not affected the game in any way, shape or form and are generally ignored by the masses. --[[User:Blanemcc|Blanemcc]] 11:46, 20 May 2008 (BST)----
#'''No''' - Coz the guy who quoted bladerunner said yes...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:00, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Coz the guy who quoted bladerunner said yes...--{{User:DT/Signature}} 12:37, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - [[User:SaulKD|SaulKD]] 13:20, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Haven't accomplished anything that a hundred other small groups haven't accomplished in their own suburbs.  Brought nothing new to the game, brought no innovative way to play, no great events, nothing revolutionary.  I'm not convinced.  Why should this group be more than a footnote in the history of Urban Dead?  --[[User:Vandr|Vandr]] 15:12, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#'''FACEPALM''' - No. --{{User:Ashley Valentine/sig}} 16:37, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' --[[User:Alcatraz311|Alcatraz311]] 16:39, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Srsly Gais!''' - Whut haz tehy doen? WHUT!? NOTHIN!! NOTHIN @ ALL!!!--{{User:WOOT/sig}} 16:49, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#:{{S|1='''Yes''' - They did a great job in their own way in their time.--[[User:survior454|survior454]]}} Improperly signed.  --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 20:49, 22 May 2008 (BST)
#:{{S|1='''Yes''' - [[User:LilJoeMeatHead|LilJoeMeatHead]]}} Improperly signed.  --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 20:49, 22 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - They were influential in retaking the suburb, and that is crucial in this game.---[[User:Zamiel Fortisimo|Zamiel Fortisimo]] 18:34, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - --[[User:Xan2020|Xan2020]] 06:02, 21 May 2008 (BST)
#::90% of those that have voted "No" are either [[DEM]] or [[Imperium Must Die]] members, the GN's sworn enemies. Their votes are biased and unfounded. --{{User:Secruss/Sig}}19:55, 21 May 2008 (BST)
#:::So because someone doesn't think you're important that makes them biased...Then why have a vote? Every "No" vote shouldn't count because it is biased that they don't think you're important. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [[Militant Order of Barhah|MOB]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 21:18, 21 May 2008 (BST)
#::::Don't be a tool Secruss.  Just because we are engaged in a "war" does not mean that we cannot be object.  I literally never heard of their group until I started killing them.  {{User:BillyClubThorton/signature}} 05:46, 22 May 2008 (BST)
#:::Enemies of a group are generally the best situated to decide if you were important or not, just sayin'.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 22:07, 23 May 2008 (BST)
#::::Thank you.  {{User:BillyClubThorton/signature}} 19:05, 26 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Nope''' I've never even heard of y'all. (Also, person above me, it's democratic so everyone gets to vote. Did you fail high school?) [[User:S Aline|S Aline]] 20:21, 21 May 2008 (BST)
#::Ah the many, many failures of Democracy. I think the solution to this problem is to raise the awareness of the people who know what we were about and what we did. The DA are even voting for us, for gods sake!--[[User:Alphy|Alphy]] 23:19, 21 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Who? --[[User:Druuuuu|Druuuuu]] <sup style="font-size:70%">[[User:Druuuuu/Ocular|Oc]][[User talk:Druuuuu|T]][[Red Rum|RR]]</sup> 23:40, 21 May 2008 (BST)
# '''No''' - Alpharius, if the group was actually historical in the first place the you wouldn't ''need'' to raise awareness of it at this point. Sounds all to similar to your last group, the one you pretended had several members. Still, it was amusing watching you  boast and boast about nobody was putting up any resistance, when in fact nobody actually cared. --[[User:Karloth_vois|K]][http://sites.gizoogle.com/index2.php?url=http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User_talk:Karloth_vois arloth Vois TALK] <sup>[http://sites.gizoogle.com/index2.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.urbandead.com%2Findex.php%2FRed_Rum RR]</sup> 00:23, 22 May 2008 (BST) P.S. Falling for the RED RUM ARE HELPING SURVIVORS April Fools' joke '''is''' historical (hysterical?) as you were the only person to have fallen for that. Hell, you even confessed to the PKA about it. That whole "I refuse to reveal my sources [A public announcement]" thing was sheer comedy genius :D
#:: Har Har. You guys are the DEM's personal party clowns. And none of you even went to Gibsonton before the disbandment.--[[User:Alphy|Alphy]] 00:40, 22 May 2008 (BST)
#::: The whole "Red Rum is employed by the DEM" was '''also''' an April Fool's joke, Alpharius :D A horrifically executed one, but you were again one of the few who fell for it. Huzzah! And no, noone ever went to Gibsonton before we realised how irritating the Imperium were. Congratulations on... setting up in a ghost town. Huzzah x2 --[[User:Karloth_vois|K]][http://sites.gizoogle.com/index2.php?url=http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User_talk:Karloth_vois arloth Vois TALK] <sup>[http://sites.gizoogle.com/index2.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.urbandead.com%2Findex.php%2FRed_Rum RR]</sup> 01:00, 22 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - As per everyone else, I'd never heard of you until I started shooting you.--[[User:Prisonner of Today|Screw Names]] 20:39, 22 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Sorry, but I haven't really heard of the GN until the whole [[The Imperium Must Die]] thing.  --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 20:49, 22 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes'''- They did a great job in thier own way in thier own time.[[User:Survior454|Survior454]] 21:59, 22 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No'''-  nope. Being successful in your goals does not a historic group make.--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 03:06, 23 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Nope''' - As Kristi. You did nothing to warrant historical status.. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 18:39, 23 May 2008 (BST)
#:I remember yous starting up now... Sorta... And stuff on Brainstock. I've been agreeing with Labine recently, which scares me... But, yeah, exactly, what he said. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 08:08, 29 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' Historical to Gibsonton maybe... But not enough to warrant Historical status. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[DHPD]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 20:52, 23 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' They DEFINITELY, at least to those who were in Gibsonton, changed everything. In the 2 months they've been around, they've done more for a suburb than any other group I've ever heard of. [[User:Ioncannon11|Ioncannon11]] 21:37, 23 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Who?--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 22:07, 23 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Sorry, I simply have never heard of you all. --{{User:Hhal/Sig}} 00:37, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Have never really had an influence outside of a single suburb. Not really enough to make a group "Historical". --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[CGR]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 01:23, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - never heard of them. --[[User:Bullgod|Bullgod]] 01:43, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - I think I recall hearing this name before. No idea what you did (until I read your description).--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 02:28, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' Never heard of you. [[User:DanceDanceRevolution|DanceDanceRevolution]] 03:01, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Admittedly, I haven't looked @ it in quite some time, but could you imagine what the ''Historical Group'' category would look like if every group that folded after 6 months was able to join? --{{User:Canker Sore/Siggy}} 04:12, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Huh? -- {{User:BlackReaper/sig}} 18:46, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - I heard of you, but I can't recall you ever doing anything. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 23:20, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - as above --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[LCD|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 11:53, 25 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - [[User:Jaydepps|Jaydepps]] 05:58, 26 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - [[User_talk:Finis Valorum|Luke Skywalker]] 11:14, 26 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Sorry'''- Who are you again? --[[User:H The Person|H The Person]] 18:40, 26 May 2008 (BST)
#'''NO''' - Nothing more than a PK group.  You started in December, not even existing for a year. --[[User:Ccomeaux|Ccomeaux]] 04:41, 29 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Small, unknown PKer group.  Nothing historical about them.  --{{User:Doctor_Wolf/sig}} 07:10, 29 May 2008 (BST)
Vote Failed. 18 For, 36 Against. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[TBA]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 23:50, 2 June 2008 (BST)


They have not just made impact by their concept, though. They were also effective PKers, racking up [http://rg.urbandead.net/profiles/view/754030 massive bounties], performing [http://iamscott.net/1271806991373.html highly coordinated timed strikes] and getting involved in events like the [[2008 Wedding Crash]] or [[Samhain Slaughter|Samhain Slaughter 1]] [[Samhain Slaughter 2|to]] [[Samhain Slaughter 3|3]]. They were recognized in the [[Malton_Murder_Awards_MMX#Player-Killer_Awards|Malton Murder Awards 2010]] as nominee for Best PKer Group.


===[[User:The Surgeon General|The Dancing Banana]]===
Seriously, if you are involved in the PKer metagame at all, you have heard of them and their exploits. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 18:38, 27 March 2011 (BST)
This chap merely consisted of one rather tasty fruit, but god-damn do I respect it. His time at the helm of [[Red Rum]] brought a golden age of peace and prosperity. Unfortunately, he folded and hasn't been seen since Strata locked him in that box. We shall meet again, but not yet, not yet. -- [[User:Karloth_vois|K]][http://sites.gizoogle.com/index2.php?url=http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User_talk:Karloth_vois arloth Vois TALK] <sup>[http://sites.gizoogle.com/index2.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.urbandead.com%2Findex.php%2FRed_Rum RR]</sup> 21:20, 24 May 2008 (BST)
# - '''Obama''' - Hillary just has a horrible face. --[[User:Karloth_vois|K]][http://sites.gizoogle.com/index2.php?url=http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User_talk:Karloth_vois arloth Vois TALK] <sup>[http://sites.gizoogle.com/index2.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.urbandead.com%2Findex.php%2FRed_Rum RR]</sup> 21:21, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Who?''' - Never heard of him. Not historical. --{{User:The Surgeon General/sig}} 21:24, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''NANANA''' - <Giol_Badguy> banana loves nuts >.> | <Banana> By the bucketful! | <Banana> Nom nom nom. | <Giol_Badguy> o.o | <Giol_Badguy> thats disturbing --{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 21:26, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Nana''' - ''Such the gentleman!'' --[[User:Pibbit|Pibbit]] 21:48, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - While this character may be all that and more, this is the voting page for "Historical '''Groups'''", not "Historical '''''People'''''". --[[User:Morgan Blair|Morgan Blair]] 22:27, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Groovy''' - ''Because you know it's the right thing to do, and not just because he's a funky sex symbol to millions of screaming teenage girls.'' --[[User:SiIIyLiIIyPiIly|SiIIyLiIIyPiIly]] 22:30, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Oh Yeah'''- Amazing guy, a vital zambah of the RRF. Cant have banan gangbangz without him --[[User:Gus Thomas|Gus Thomas]] 22:32, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Nana phones!'''- Nananana, Nananana, hey hey hey, goodbye. Nuff said --[[User:Sockpuppie|Jelly Otter]] 22:37, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Indeed!''' - Historical Naners is Historical! -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:58, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Absolutely. -- {{User:VI/signature}} 23:02, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''???''' (Who?) --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 23:15, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Yep''' That explains it all I think --{{User:Mac2beme/sig}} 23:24, 24 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Absolutely Not!''' I would die for shame if I saw such an Ignorant fruit named as historical. The Idea! Simply Repulsive! But a good source of potassium. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 02:05, 25 May 2008 (BST)
#'''Humour''' - Dork! --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:07, 25 May 2008 (BST)
#:If banana wasn't currently encased in solid oak container by the dastardly Strata, he'd be highly offended by this statement. --{{User:The Surgeon General/sig}} 02:18, 25 May 2008 (BST)
#::Silly bananas, not much better then mudkipz! --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:20, 25 May 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Just because someone names themself after a popular smiley... well... So what? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 23:17, 25 May 2008 (BST)
#'''YES!''' -good enough for Karlos, good enough for me!--[[User:Jellofun|Jellofun]] 00:06, 26 May 2008 (BST)


'''Removed from consideration as it wasn't a group being nominated, it was a user''' --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 00:21, 26 May 2008 (BST)
====Yes====
#I, duh, nominated them in the first place? --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 18:45, 27 March 2011 (BST)
#Who?--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 18:51, 27 March 2011 (BST)
#Classy chaps. [[User:Oidar|Oidar]] 18:54, 27 March 2011 (BST)
#lets just get this over with--<small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 20:21 27 March 2011 (UTC)</small>
#After this, we're gettin' the C4NT up here. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 23:56, 27 March 2011 (BST)
#:You should think about slapping an inactive tag on them and starting the clock. -[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 03:46, 28 March 2011 (BST)
#::isn't the page history a better indicator to begin with? --<small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 09:33 4 April 2011 (UTC)</small>
#For about a year the leading source of UD metagame butthurt (other than wiki drama, which is the untouchable Queen of UD Drama), inspiration behind a few less competent attempts at shock groups (such as Pumpkin Pedophiles) and a couple of even less competent hunter groups dedicated to 'teaching us a lesson', we made a significant splash in both game and metagame. Also there were two School Shooting tours that aren't mentioned above, which put hundreds more corpses on the streets of Malton. [http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c19/LordMoloch/SchoolShooting.jpg 1] [http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c19/LordMoloch/Ck2.jpg 2]. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 03:28, 28 March 2011 (BST)
#Never even met any of them in game, but I still ''heard'' about them. Sick of all this historical status elitism. They were well known enough to be let in.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>03:41 28 March 2011(UTC)</tt>
#They are worth giving historical status --[[User:Bluewaterdragon|Bluewaterdragon]] 04:02, 28 March 2011 (BST)
# Sure! Why not? --[[User:Akbar|Akbar]] 06:11, 28 March 2011 (BST)
#Yes. Shootin up skool iz fun! --{{User:Lady Clitoria/Sig}} 08:13, 28 March 2011 (BST)
# [[User:Smyg|Smyg]] 08:18, 28 March 2011 (BST)
# Having had the pleasure of kicking off their mall tour from MCM it would be hard not to vote for them.  Like it or not they did make themselves know!  --[[User:QBee|QBee]] 03:25, 31 March 2011 (BST)
#Perhaps unsurprisingly, I'mma go with 'yes'. -- {{User:CyanEyed/Sig}} 10:25, 28 March 2011 (BST)
# - Not a giant group, but they caused a massive stir. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 16:13, 28 March 2011 (BST)
# That bounty alone must qualify them for historical status never mind what else they did! [[User:Gordon|Gordon]] 23:13, 28 March 2011 (BST)
# Sigh... [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvn6eYJh-0c '''Yes'''] And here's why. I despise this group. I hate everything about them. I Loathe and detest the very creaion of it ffs. It's unsavoury, childish glorification of 'shock value' made me uneasy from the first minute I saw some plank wearing the tags two years ago when I started playing, and still, to this day does. However, '''that's''' why they work. That was their hook, so to speak.<br>The BH'er in me, ''always'' wanted to whack a CK. Hell, I wanted to do it with Deej too, should the chance arisen. They made an impact, and much as I dislike the theme of the group, they certainly knew how to grab the eye. They '''should''' be remembered, if not for 'cos they were a 'great PK'er' group, then 'cos they were a bunch of knobbers people wanted to kill. A lot.<br>Btw, this vote will be changed to a '''No''', if Harrison doesn't admit, in the next 24 hours he watched, '''and''' fapped to the vid linked in my yes vote. Clock is ticking, perve. {{User:Kempy/sig}} 05:07, 29 March 2011 (BST)
#:hah hah suck my balls kempy this was the message i got when i clicked the link. """The uploader has not made this video available in your country. Sorry about that.""" suck it!--<small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 05:11 29 March 2011 (UTC)</small>
#:::..tock. {{User:Kempy/sig}} 05:47, 29 March 2011 (BST)
#:::Try [http://hotspotshield.com/ Hotspot Shield]? {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 21:37, 29 March 2011 (BST)
#DO IT. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 00:58, 29 March 2011 (BST)
# Sounds like a good idea. --[[User:Cexylikepie|Cexylikepie]] 02:03, 29 March 2011 (BST)
# I have been roused from my wiki hiatus to vote! --[[User:Pibbit|Pibbit]] 05:49, 29 March 2011 (BST)
#They were quite notorious, both in game and on the wiki. The fact that people still hate them makes them quite memorable (and by extension, historical). Their talk page alone is comedy gold.--[[User:Shatari|Shatari]] 07:15, 29 March 2011 (BST)
#Fuck yes. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 07:16, 29 March 2011 (BST)
#Didn't really need to ask, to be honest. {{User:Ashley Valentine/sig}} 09:33, 29 March 2011 (BST)
#As Anime Sucks. --{{User:N0RDAK/Sig}} 18:45, 29 March 2011 (BST)
#Switching my vote, after the responses below. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:12, 29 March 2011 (BST)
#The creation of this group sparked a large negative response from the community and did spark alot of copycats. It also raised valid issues concerning associates of RG mods farming people into the Ignore List--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 23:42, 29 March 2011 (BST)
#:<s>Being part of their mall tours for several years it would be hard not to vote for them.  --[[User:QBee|QBee]] 03:25, 31 March 2011 (BST)</s>
#::You already did vote for them, see vote number 12 above.--{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 06:16, 5 April 2011 (BST)
#:::vote struck- were still gonna win this you <s>turd.</s> putz.--<small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 07:03 5 April 2011 (UTC)</small>
#::::No problem, as long as it's all fair and square. Thanks for deleting the duplicate vote.--{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 11:03, 5 April 2011 (BST)
#Yup. [[User:Kirsty cotton|Kirsty cotton]] 04:35, 31 March 2011 (BST)
#Yes. CK got me interested in PKing. --[[User:Amber Waves of Pain|Amber Waves of Pain]] 05:10, 31 March 2011 (BST)
#Nov puts them at four months. Still think PHOG, BBIII and Ackland Abattoir should be in if these guys go in but what do I know.-[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 00:06, 1 April 2011 (BST)
#Yes, and Fuck Yeah! Everyone knows hows demented you were. I loved crushing all hope with you.--{{User:Psychotic Pantomime/sig}} 23:05, 1 April 2011 (BST)
#Yes, Not always into their schtick but they played a big part in the game, back when people played the game that is.--{{User:Rob Collick/sig}} 00:41, 3 April 2011 (BST)
#Yes. Every suburb they went people were talking about them. {{User:Dudemeister/sig}} 11:31, 3 April 2011 (BST)
#Fuck yes. The Columbine Kids are one of the most infamous groups just based on name and reputation alone. If you played the game on a regular basis before they disbanded, you most likely heard of them. The group also polarized people you either got it and loved them, got it and hated them, or didn't get it and hated them. The only thing about them that sucks is that they won't be around anymore and I never got around to leveling the character I wanted to join with before I left the game. -- {{User:Goribus/Sig}} 12:50, 3 April 2011 (BST)
#:join cobra, not as offensive, definitely as evil tho.--<small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 13:03 3 April 2011 (UTC)</small>
#::And just as crap.--{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 17:10, 3 April 2011 (BST)
#:::do u ever get tired of being wrong all the time? i mean like about everything.--<small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 19:01 3 April 2011 (UTC)</small>
#::::Let him pwease. People getting all riled up about us are good :p And also the most fun to shoot... {{User:Spiderzed/SallySig}} 14:30, 4 April 2011 (BST)
#:::::For the sake of accuracy, I should point out that Cobra is in fact even ''more'' useless than CK was.--{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 20:03, 4 April 2011 (BST)
#::::::I actually have an idled Cobra alt Harrison. But now I don't know what to do with Whitfield Crane other than keeping him perma-idled. -- {{User:Goribus/Sig}} 07:49, 7 April 2011 (BST)
# crashing in-game weddings is cool --{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 18:04, 3 April 2011 (BST)
#This group was so good that they should also be included in one of the four basic food groups.  [[User:Petite Fille|Petite Fille]] 13:42, 8 April 2011 (BST)
#Yes.  One can't deny they shook things up. --[[User:Priapus|priapus]] 13:55, 8 April 2011 (BST)
#Yes. --[[User:Zorinth|Zorinth]] 19:26, 8 April 2011 (BST)
#Add another one to the yes pile. --[[User:ZombieDalkorian|ZombieDalkorian]] 00:47, 9 April 2011 (BST)
#YES! All the cool kids are doing it!  I can't handle the peer pressure (or Petite's repeated shin kicking). [[User:Zombiegeorge|Zombiegeorge]] 15:58, 9 April 2011 (BST)
#Yes. --[[User:MyEvilTwin|MyEvilTwin]] 16:41, 9 April 2011 (BST)
#Yes, they've been around long enough.--[[User:Deadone|Deadone]] 14:17, 10 April 2011 (BST)
#Yes. Offensive tastes good. --[[User:Runaround Stu|Runaround Stu]] 16:42, 10 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - We came, we saw, we hurt some butts. --[[User:Yodadog|Yodadog]] 17:11, 10 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Just because. --[[User:Yournewdad|Yournewdad]] 18:10, 10 April 2011 (BST)
#:<s>'''Yes''' --[[User:Moglet|Moglet]] 18:41, 10 April 2011 (BST)</s>
#:<s> Yes --[[User:Makncheese|Makncheese]] 18:52, 10 April 2011 (BST)</s>
#::Sorry, Moglet and Makncheese, the two weeks for voting ended at 18:38.--{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 19:01, 10 April 2011 (BST)


===[[Redemptionists]]===
====No====
The Redemptionists were the group that was the forerunner to the [[Imperium|Imperium of Man]] both chronologically and ideologically.   Sadly all their known members are inactive and while there has been no formal disbanding of the group they are nonetheless no longer inactive. While the impact of the Redemptionists in their time was small, their importance as the forerunner to the Imperium is considered important at least by our members as well as for historic reasons of being able to trace the lineage and evolution of one group into something new. Please do not vote no if you were not around until after this group became inactive.  --{{User: Garviel Loken/Sig}} 22:30, 17 April 2008 (BST)
*<s>Come back in three months - See rule #6 above. It hasn't been four months since they went inactive. YOG only left a month or two ago, otherwise I'd say yes. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 19:36, 27 March 2011 (BST)</s>
#'''Y''es' - Seems vain to vote for one's own proposal but nothing seems to be happening. {{User: Garviel Loken/Sig}}03:54, 25 April 2008 (BST)
*:''the forums have been down for months'' - as indicated [[User_talk:Sexualharrison/Archive2#CK_Forum|here]]. Moloch's words don't sound like the group has been active as a group either for quite some time before. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 19:52, 27 March 2011 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - They helped lead the way the the new Imperium. {{User: Lamerton/Sig}}19:11, 25 April 2008 (GMT)
*::say yes it's easier--<small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 20:24 27 March 2011 (UTC)</small>
#'''Yes''' - The Redemption paved the way for the Emperor's current representation in Malton.--[[User:BrotherMcBeaner|BrotherMcBeaner]] 02:55, 26 April 2008 (BST)
*:Spiderzed is correct. The group ceased to exist months ago. The forums were closed and the leader (that would be me) idled out. --[[User:The Hierophant|Unhappydisgustingwow]] 07:39, 29 March 2011 (BST)
#'''No''' - sorry, but ive never heard of you. --[[User:Bullgod|Bullgod]] 19:37, 26 April 2008 (BST)
*::'''Vote changed'''. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:12, 29 March 2011 (BST)
#:Doesn't matter if you've never heard of them, doesn't stop the Redemptionists from being historical to someone.  There's probably quite a few groups you haven't heard of. --{{User: Garviel Loken/Sig}}20:36, 26 April 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - Very few pker groups do enough to be considered notable or historic. The only reason anyone knows who the Columbine Kids are is pretty much some very minor wiki drama. They're no Amish, Red Rum, or DEA. They didn't help make a huge event and the most you can even note them for in their nomination is as being a tag along? An Historic Group these things do not make. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 20:01, 27 March 2011 (BST)
#::This isn't about being historical to someone it's about having had a major impact on how the game was played ''for most everyone''.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 03:55, 27 April 2008 (BST)
#'''No''' - emphatically as Karek. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 03:36, 28 March 2011 (BST)
#'''No''' - Non-notable. Just because their flavour comes from the same poorly written game background as your own, does not make them an historical group. To qualify as historical a group must have been notable in the history and development of Urban Dead, not because you played Necromunda like they did. Also, if Bullgod hasn't heard of and eaten a group, it probably means they were never notable. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:41, 27 April 2008 (BST)
#:<s>'''No''' - As Aichon. -[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 03:46, 28 March 2011 (BST)</s>
#'''No chance''' - Never heard of them... And, one insignificant group's influence on the formation of another insignificant group doesn't warrant historical status. I mean, what the F. have any of you really accomplished??  --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 10:09, 30 April 2008 (BST)
#::And now..? ;o) --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 23:35, 30 March 2011 (BST)
#'''No''' - I've been unable to find any tangible impact. --{{User:The Surgeon General/sig}} 14:46, 30 April 2008 (BST)
#:::Eligible so vote Changed. -[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 00:08, 1 April 2011 (BST)
#:<s>'''Yesh''' - GARVIEL IS MAH HOMIE! FOR THE EMPORER :D!--{{User:WOOT/sig}} 01:46, 2 May 2008 (BST)</s> After deadline --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 06:47, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#'''NO''' - Who the hell are these guys never even heard of them get real don't you have actually had to of done something? Wow they should change the name from historical status to Popular disbanded group since obviously you actually never had to of done anything.    This is really pathetic the Profile police didn't get voted in but the Ck do?????  Everyone who ever played this game has heard of the profile police but as I said before who the hell are the theses guys.  [[User:Divs|Divs]] 04:48, 28 March 2011 (BST)
#:<s>'''No''' Never heard of them. --[[User:Karloth_vois|K]][http://sites.gizoogle.com/index2.php?url=http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User_talk:Karloth_vois arloth Vois TALK] <sup>[http://sites.gizoogle.com/index2.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.urbandead.com%2Findex.php%2FRed_Rum RR]</sup> 19:36, 3 May 2008 (BST)</s> After deadline --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 06:47, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#:You've never heard of CK, yet you've heard of some obscure group called Profile Police? CK are pretty well known. --{{User:Lady Clitoria/Sig}} 13:18, 3 April 2011 (BST)
#:<s>'''Yes''' - As someone who fought the Imperium, the birth child of the redemptionists, for a very long time I can tell you that the events surrounding the group heavily affected the way things are run in the area surrounding Gibsonton, and are partly responsible for the war going on there now. --[[User:Alphy|Alphy]] 22:37, 19 May 2008 (BST)</s> After deadline --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 06:47, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#::it's okay.. it's bad attitude barbie what do you expect? reality. nevah.--<small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 13:28 3 April 2011 (UTC)</small>
#:<s>'''No''' - Did not have any major impact and needs to be important to someone other than yourselves --[[User:Virus002|Virus002]] 04:49, 20 May 2008 (BST)</s> After deadline --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 06:47, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#:::Oh, the irony!  The reality is that Divs is not Bad Attitude Barbie (check the IPs, Einstein.)  But as long as we're on the topic of reality...remember when Sexual Harrison (bitch) noted that he was a leader of NMC? *snickers*  Bitch, please!--{{User:Bad Attitude Barbie/sig}} 17:30, 28 August 2011 (BST)
#:<s>'''No''' - Never even seen the name mentioned --[[User:Dipcup|Dipcup]] 05:01, 20 May 2008 (BST)</s> After deadline --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 06:47, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#::::first off loser this vote closed in april. second, so I wasn't a leader of the rangers, c4nt, QSG, and mossad? sorry just before your time i guess when the nmc was for a short time relevant. i can't check IP's on the wiki. if I really felt like i guess i could come back to the nmc and check it there. but why why bother? i don't care. you are still a trenchie loser no matter how we slice it.--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>19:43, 28 August 2011 (bst)</small>
#:<s>'''Sorry''' - If I dont know who you are, you aren't worthy of note--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 05:18, 20 May 2008 (BST)</s> after deadline --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 06:47, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#:::::Bahahaha! First off, You Mad! Next, is there an expiration date on calling you out on your bullshit?  *glances at her earlier post*  Apparently not. *grins*  Now, as to the question about whether you were leader of some groups...well I don't know!  If by "leader" you mean you plastered your name as such on the wiki after having absolutely nothing to do with those groups over the course of two months and a series of successful operations, I'd have to say yes! But let's be frank, shall we?  Regardless of which groups you "lead," you did NOTHING to contribute to the operations of NMC during the time you felt the need to post your name on the wiki proclaiming yourself to be among the leaders.  See, this is how it works, Genius, when you boast about accomplishments you never achieved, your claims of other notable deeds lack credence.--{{User:Bad Attitude Barbie/sig}} 21:05, 2 September 2011 (BST)
#'''No''' They were typical PKers and did not do anything but typical PKer stuff. --[[User:Josh Clark|Josh Clark]] 04:53, 28 March 2011 (BST)
#'''No''' As Karek and as Josh. --[[User:Penguinpyro|Penguinpyro]] 08:20, 28 March 2011 (BST)
#'''No''' Never heard of them. --[[User:Louis_Vernon|<span style="color: red">'''Louis Vernon'''</span>]] <span style="color:red">15:03 28 March 2011 (BST)</span>
#'''No''' Bad taste is neither historical or notable.  [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 16:35, 28 March 2011 (BST)
#'''No'''. As Asheets. We might as well put Assholio on the Historical Groups List with his various zerging neo-Nazi groups.--{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 18:03, 28 March 2011 (BST)
#:how can you compare CK to cornhole? that insults everyones intelligence. we were at least good at what we did.--<small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 05:00 29 March 2011 (UTC)</small>
#::Because both CK and Cornhole's chief claim to fame is creating wiki drama through glorifying mass-murderers. But hey, for the lulz, right?--{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 16:43, 30 March 2011 (BST)
#:::Yes, it's what all murderers truly crave: To be represented as borderline-retarded, monosyllabic, repressed homosexuals who kill because they are too stupid to do anything else. That truly is the definition of glory. There are several reasons why comparisons to Cornhoolio are absolutely cretinous, including the subtle distinction between actual satire and 4Chan 'here it is LOL' vomit, the not-exactly subtle distinction between stupid and wasteful murder and mechanised and legalised genocide, and then the entirely obvious distinction between a legitimate group of UD players and a single serial-zerging mass wiki vandal. Somehow though, I suspect that aiding you in grasping these will prove a sisyphean task on a par with trying to teach a particularly stupid dog a card trick. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 23:34, 30 March 2011 (BST)
#::::Much of what fuels mass murderers like the Columbine Kids is the desire for notoriety. You feed that notoriety and thereby encourage others. Most UD players never use the wiki so your pisspoor attempt at 'satire' is lost on them: all they see is 'Columbine Kids' tags. Even for those of us who frequent the wiki, the CK page has only got 15000 hits - FFS, even my [[TSI]] page has well over 50,000. As for Cornhole, you miss the point entirely - he's not historical, neither was this group. Hint for the future: satire is funny, not merely offensive, as Chris Morris could tell you.--{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 20:43, 1 April 2011 (BST)
#:::::Yes and he can also attest to the fact that for every person who enjoys a piece of satire there will be a hundred or more whiny babblers shrieking their butthurt. The fact that you cite Chris Morris as an example in the same post in which you laughably assert that a group from a minor internet browser game could influence potential future mass murderers only underlines just how inexorably stupid you actually are. I suppose then that Chris Morris is a great influence upon the next generation of paedophiles, drug dealers and suicide bombers. After all, if you draw attention to something then that means that people will think that's cool and become more likely to do it themselves, right? As a part of his work Morris has made jokes about Myra Hindley and Peter Sutcliffe, so he runs the risk of inspiring murderers too. Hell, he did it on the television for the viewing of millions.
#:::::Your arguments are becoming increasingly garbled. You assert that Columbine Kids 'feed notoriety and thereby encourage others', then claim that they don't get enough attention to claim influence, and '''then''' subsequently cite a man who has an audience of millions and also uses representations of real-life murderers as an example of how satire 'should' be done! I'd suggest that you make up your mind, but it appears that you'd need the world's most powerful microscope simply to find it. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 17:23, 2 April 2011 (BST)
#::::::Lots of words, many insults, not much substance: looks like I touched a nerve and you're upset. Arguments by numbers for the hard-of-reading, do try to keep up: 1. Morris is funny, CK isn't. Having some wit counts for a lot in satire. 2. Most people playing UD don't read the wiki, so yes, they might well regard CK-tagged characters (shooting survivors in schools, etc.) as glorifying murderers. 3. CK claim historical status partly for stirring up wiki drama but in 6 months, even poor deluded Cornholioo's [[User_talk:Cornholioo|talk page]] got more hits than CK's talk page has in nearly two years. It's pretty easy to stir shit up; as for timed strikes, taking part in events, being runner-up in a PKer award, so what? Hardly epoch-making stuff.--{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 18:02, 2 April 2011 (BST)
#::::::::Not upset at all: I just genuinely enjoy slapping around people who try to present arguments and fail miserably. Note how there's no argument with Paddy, Karek, et al. They make their points in a rational fashion and, regardless of whether I agree or not, get due respect for it. You simply manufacture a fatuous comparison to a mass-zerger and wiki vandal and then, when that fails dismally, you resort to the old 'glorifies'/'encourages copycats'. Even then you screw that up by citing as an example a man whose whole career would, by that measure, have inspired murder, paedophilia and drug abuse (amongst other things) on a truly immense scale. Did anyone in CK ever expect to rival Morris? Not even slightly. Who could with a wiki page and a group name? Still, I'd rather do something a little different and be compared very much unfavourably with him than be yet another lame-wit peddling the same tired references to the same tired sketch from the same tired 70s show.
#::::::::As for the number of page hits, an interesting pair of parallels there. Cornholio and TSI? Well, they have at least one thing in common... --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 19:15, 2 April 2011 (BST)
#:::::::::Well then, hopefully as the first voter here it will be helpful that I agree with you. Claiming that you see them as Cornholio equivalents is both kinda insulting(UDWiki, so I guess it's a bit expected) and irrelevant to whether or not their historical. The Dead were grade A dicks to a lot of people, ask any DHPD memebers, still totally historical. It's not really relevant to the vote Mallrat, did they have a impact on the game that you saw aside from that? That's the question that should be being answered.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 19:22, 2 April 2011 (BST)
#::::::::::Exactly. Emotional responses against '''and''' in favor of the CK should not be justification for a no '''or''' a yes vote. And the comparison with Cornholio is bullshit. --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 20:21, 2 April 2011 (BST)
#:::::::::::Monty Python - now ''there's'' a historical group. Karek, my point re Cornhole is that he also created wiki drama, but there's no way he'd be considered historical for that, and to highlight that (as you said), CK's dramatic impact was minor. Paddy: "did they have a impact on the game that you saw aside from that?" - No.--{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 21:32, 2 April 2011 (BST) 
#:::::::::::: (NPOV comment: Papa Moloch has slapped poor Mallrat around like a boss) --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 16:54, 3 April 2011 (BST)
#:::::::::::::Arguments left unrefuted: that CK wasn't funny; that most UD players don't use the wiki; that even Cornhole generated more drama; that CK did nothing new as a PKer group; and that their in-game impact was minor. Moloch's had plenty of chances to come up with arguments rather than hysterical insults, and fluffed his lines every time. As I've said to Karek elsewhere, this has already had more attention from me than it deserves, so I'll leave Moloch to write another rambling essay if he wants.--{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 17:08, 3 April 2011 (BST)
#'''No'''--[[User:Tyx94|tyx94]] 22:48, 28 March 2011 (BST)
#'''No'''- I never would have heard of them if not for the wiki, metagame drama hardly seems basis for historical status - [[User:Legion8|Legion8]] 05:58, 30 March 2011 (BST)
#:isn't that the point of the wiki? way to contradict yo'self --<small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 11:31 31 March 2011 (UTC)</small>
#::-It's hardly a contradiction, I just think a group has to have actually done something in game to be 'historical'.[[User:Legion8|Legion8]] 05:52, 2 April 2011 (BST)
#:::first learn how to indent. second read the bid, and our talk page, and bounties and get back to me.--<small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 12:36 2 April 2011 (UTC)</small>
#:::: I've seen them, but I still don't think it's basis for historical status. [[User:Legion8|Legion8]] 05:13, 3 April 2011 (BST)
#'''No'''- as Mallrat and Asheets.-{{User:ObiFireFighter/sig}} 22:10, 30 March 2011 (BST)
#'''No''' - For the same reason Moloch voted no on the FOD’s bid: The CK "were undoubtedly good, but for me an historical group needs to have made a difference to the game itself. Sadly I don't think that they achieved that." Polarizing the metagame doesn’t change the way the game is played, in my opinion, nor does coordinating themed strikes. It’s true that I didn’t find the CK’s satire particularly funny or effective, but I never questioned their right to exist. They are a highly intelligent, articulate, legitimate group of UD players. But not historical. --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 23:50, 31 March 2011 (BST)
#'''No''' - I almost want to vote Yes to counter the ''they're offensive and therefore not historical'' argument. But from a more reasoned standpoint, I agree with Paddy. Trolling like this is fun for the whole family and they deserve a small share of our appreciation for bringing creativity and discussion to the game, just like any other group. But they were never large, they were only moderately organized, and they didn't impact the population ratio. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 02:35, 1 April 2011 (BST)
#'''No''' As Karek. --[[Image:Cat Pic.png|14px]] [[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''Thadeous Oakley''']]</span> [[User_Talk:MisterGame|<span style= "color: black; background-color: white">'''''Talk''''']]</span> 20:46, 1 April 2011 (BST)
#'''No''' As Karek. Trolls are a dime a dozen, and I only remember this group ''because'' they were trollbait (on the wiki). Otherwise, as pkers, they came, they killed, they got killed, and then they promptly left when they realized citizens in the suburb ignored them. --[[User:Macampos|Private Mark]] 21:04, 2 April 2011 (BST)
#^ --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:52, 2 April 2011 (BST)
#As AHLG and TripleU. Only reason I remember them was because of their offensive nature (which doesn't make them ahistorial, but it doesn't automatically make them historical, either.) {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 13:58, 5 April 2011 (BST)
#'''No''' - Who? I reckon you have to make an impact to be historical, and they made no impact on me or anybody I game with.--[[User:Heneage|Heneage]] 20:11, 5 April 2011 (BST)
#:it might help if you played the game for more than a few months, and actually read the wiki. ya think?--<small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 08:31 6 April 2011 (UTC)</small>
#::Yet funnily enough, doing both of those still made them an irrelevance. What a surprise.--[[User:Heneage|Heneage]] 19:44, 6 April 2011 (BST)
#'''No''' as per most of the above [[User:Sanpedro|Sanpedro]] 13:36, 6 April 2011 (BST)
#'''No''' - As Karek, but with less of an edge.  You seem like a fine group and I've got nothing against you, rather I'm unfamiliar with your in-game historical achievements.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 15:57, 8 April 2011 (BST)
#'''No'''- Shock value isn't historical and opens the door to other trolls --[[User:Marc Andreas|Marc Andreas]] 10:02, 10 April 2011 (BST)
#'''No'''  They seem to be a rather boring group that only achieved kills when the survivors were already fully occupied by zombies. --[[User:Herr Gerdongerdorf|Herr Gerdongerdorf]] 18:00, 10 April 2011 (BST)
#:I have to question your logic: When are survivors '''not''' occupied by zombies? We're the main antagonists, for crying out loud. --[[User:Shatari|Shatari]] 02:41, 11 April 2011 (BST)


Voting fails, 3 '''for''', 4 '''Against'''. Failed to make either 2/3rds majority or minimum 15 after two weeks. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 06:47, 20 May 2008 (BST)
Aaaaaand '''CLOSED''' --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 18:53, 10 April 2011 (BST)
:After checking the votes after deadline and checkusering unestablished users, CK has '''failed''' to achieve Historical status by one measly vote. (Or by three minutes if you count the struck decisive vote.) As this is a very close call, I'll let that sit for a day in case anyone has unresolved concerns with certain votes. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 19:07, 10 April 2011 (BST)
:we was robbed! --<small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking  </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 19:42 10 April 2011 (UTC)</small>
:I am probably going to regret pointing this out, but here goes anyway.  Strictly speaking CK passed this vote.  The policy which is place states that a group must be approved by 2/3rds of voters, with a minimum of 15 votes WITHIN two weeks, i.e. not after two weeks have elapsed.  The 15th vote on this was Penguinpyro's no vote at 08:20 on the 28th.  At that point there were 10 yes and 5 no votes giving 2/3rds within the two weeks as stipulated by the policy. [[User:Gordon|Gordon]] 21:19, 10 April 2011 (BST)
::It's never been done nor interpreted that way though, and strictly speaking, both Aichon and I still had no votes at that point which would make it 10-7. The policy should probably be clearer. It's a good catch though.-[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 21:36, 10 April 2011 (BST)
:::No, it's completely stupid. The wording does nothing to suggest that. Maybe if said ''maximum'' instead :| -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 22:49, 10 April 2011 (BST)
::::I don't know. I can see it possibly being read like that, but it would be like the most literal interpretation you could possibly do, while also giving a big FU to the spirit of the law. -[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 22:57, 10 April 2011 (BST)
:::::::::i also love how herr gerdongerorf sole contribution to UDwiki is this vote.. wonder where he can from?--<small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking  </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 23:00 10 April 2011 (UTC)</small>
::::::::::Yeah. It's on both sides though, i.e. yournewdada and runaroundstu. -[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 23:03, 10 April 2011 (BST)
:::::::::::I can see the interpretation above, though it's stretching. To be strictly a fair vote, members of the group being considered should be ineligible to vote. P.S. I've been in the game since 2008, and I come from a place where we know how to spell and use grammar. --[[User:Herr Gerdongerdorf|Herr Gerdongerdorf]] 23:45, 10 April 2011 (BST)
::::::::::::[[Image:Emot-iceburn.gif]] --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 12:03, 12 April 2011 (BST)


===[[Old Arkham Republic]]===
===[[The 4-H]]===
The OAR is an old old group from 2005 that ran the Arkham area until around early 2007. They've never been a large group but they were the only group to evar make a difference in the god forsaken lands that are the Arkhams. Many will not remember them or even know who they were because of how long ago they were around. I ask you not to vote No if you are only here a few months, that's just stupid. They were important for their time and it is sad they are not around no more. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [[Militant Order of Barhah|MOB]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 17:14, 7 April 2008 (BST)
One of the bigger (at one time, at least) and more resilient localized survivor groups in Malton, The 4-H, officially closed their doors on October 6th, 2010. While not exactly a game changer, the Headhunters of Huntley Heights participated in a large number of historic events in Malton, including the defense of Stickling Mall during Shop-a-Thon 2006, the Battle of Blackmore, and the operations of Alliance 45. The group lasted two months shy of five years, secured and maintained two previously uninhabitable suburbs (Huntley Heights and Raines Hills), opened/established the long-utilized Veryard Crescent Revive Point, and employed 105+ members over the course of our time in Malton.. We also established the original public barricade plan, as well as all of the original UDwiki pages for Huntley Heights as part of our efforts to keep the survivors of the Heights informed, safe, and sound.


#'''Yes''' - --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [[Militant Order of Barhah|MOB]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 17:14, 7 April 2008 (BST)
Unfortunately, over the years the group was decimated by a combination of griefers and a lack of new members, but I hope that those we played with (or against) can fondly remember the audacious 4H that fought the Big Bash in Shearbank (even if we did lose, hah), rather than the skeleton crew left at Vicari when we disbanded.
#'''Yes''' - Which one are we talking about? [[Reformed Old Arkham Republic]] and [[Old Arkham Republic]]?--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 19:12, 7 April 2008 (BST)
#:Obviously the latter. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [[Militant Order of Barhah|MOB]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 21:28, 7 April 2008 (BST)
#::Aren't they still active then? Both use the same forum.--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 22:58, 7 April 2008 (BST)
#:::That's the new version of it. Paradox is historical but they have a new version of it. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [[Militant Order of Barhah|MOB]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 23:38, 7 April 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - [[ROAR]] is the new incaration of them, Sonny. It is in effect a different group, though, with different leadership, as far as I am aware... there is continuity, yes, but they're different. And, the small but dedicated groups in the too often forgotten surburbs like the Arkhams need to be recognised and honoured. There is more to UD than DULLSton and Fort Greedy, kids. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 19:56, 12 April 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' --{{User:The Surgeon General/sig}} 23:35, 17 April 2008 (BST)
#'''Yes''' and how can there be a NEW Old arkhan repluic ? That makes no sense. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 23:14, 19 April 2008 (BST)
Voting fails. 5 '''For''', failed to reach 15 votes in two weeks. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 06:48, 20 May 2008 (BST)


===channel 9===
Farewell UD, and ''Happy Hunting''!
(march. 6, 2008)
--[[User:Aiden Hodder|Aiden H]] <sup>[[The 4-H|4H]]</sup> 03:28, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
btw the group is now restared and i dont know how the hell 3 banned people voted for this


well what ever
====Yes====
yall havent heard of us ill just reitre the group how do i delete it
#'''Yes''' - Submitter vote. --[[User:Aiden Hodder|Aiden H]] <sup>[[The 4-H|4H]]</sup> 03:28, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - The 4-H were around for a long time, and had a great impact on Huntley and surrounding suburbs [[User:Captain Winters|Captain Winters]] 04:42, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - Group played an important role for years! [[User:Dweeezul|Dweeezul]] 05:45, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - I had a alt with this group and they were good at what they did. They taught me a thing or to about playing as a survivor and were well known. This group is worthy of being Historical.--[[User:Josh Clark|Josh Clark]] 07:20, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - Well-known, and considerable impact on the game. --[[User:Buddhagazelle|Buddhagazelle]] 08:36, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - 4-H was responsible for maintaining Huntly, taking revive requests, and tracking of PK players around Huntly. -- [[User:Nocho14|Nocho14]]  08:44, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - I've been involved with the 4-H in some way, shape, or form since I first started playing UD back in '05, be that as an ally or an actual member of the group. We may not have influenced the entirety of Malton, but we most certainly affected Huntley and the suburbs around it rather heavily. That, and we were good at swapping bullets with quite a lot of PKers. :D --[[User:RagnaRover|RagnaRover]] 02:40, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - But barely. -[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 22:21, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
====No====
#Who? Never heard of this group before which generally does not imply historicalness. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 11:44, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
#As Link.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 11:45, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 12:02, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Nay''' Judging from your wiki mentions you appear to have little overall impact.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:04, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Have never even heard of them and I have 6 alts and waste a lot of time on wiki --{{User:Lady Clitoria/Sig}} 12:13, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Njet comrade''' Who? And your self-presentation doesn't look too overwhelming either. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 17:27, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
#Sorry, mates.  If I never heard of you, you must not have been that significant to begin with.  And I'm an old UD player too. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 18:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' - I didn't grief you, thusly you can't be historical --{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 20:40, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Unlike the uninformed masses above, I ''have'' heard of the 4H. I know enough of their history to say that they were pretty much only relevant in Huntley Heights. They were a good group, to be sure, but they didn't add much to the experience of ''other'' players - beyond being a bullet sponge for a fair number of PKers and PKer groups. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 22:59, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Who?''' - Meatpuppet army! Thine ranks are thin, and thou shalt surly fall! --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 00:28, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Nothing special. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 07:46, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Local and quiet, however enduring or legitimate a group. Little ripples do not move mighty oceans. Something zen like that. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 23:11, 20 February 2011 (UTC)


#'''No''' - Tomer? Go away. No one will believe the lies you have tried to spread.--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 23:44, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
'''Failed'''. With less than 50% support, this bid obviously has. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 01:31, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
#'''wha?''' - I've never heard of you. Not that I would have to, neccisarily, but I'm certain I would have if you'd done half the stuff you've claimed.--{{User:Seventythree/Sig}} 23:52, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
#'''No'''- You never did anything, and I severely doubt you had 70+ members.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
#'''Hell No''' - And I don't care how much gold you have. --{{User:The Surgeon General/sig}} 02:05, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
#'''Fuck you''' - No. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [[Militant Order of Barhah|MOB]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 03:34, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
#:<s>'''No''' - Sorry, but I've never heard of you guys.  --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 17:28, 7 April 2008 (BST)</s> After deadline --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 06:53, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#:<s>'''No'''' - WHO??? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 19:50, 12 April 2008 (BST)</s> After deadline --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 06:53, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#:<s>'''Yes''' - They stopped the Big Bash 2 in its tracks. Also, broke Something Awful and the Dead. --[http://sites.gizoogle.com/index2.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.urbandead.com%2Findex.php%2FUser%3AKarloth_vois Karloth Vois] <sup>[http://sites.gizoogle.com/index2.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.urbandead.com%2Findex.php%2FRed_Rum RR]</sup> 01:28, 15 April 2008 (BST)</s> After deadline --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 06:53, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#:<s>'''No'''WHO? Why would the wiki allow such liars into the historical groups? But thanks for the chuckle at the idea of "breaking The Dead". LMAO--[[User:DCC|DCC]] 15:15, 17 April 2008 (BST)</s> After deadline --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 06:53, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#:<s>'''No''' Barely heard of them... only noticed them because they spammed recent changes every time they tried to update their page. And there is no need to delete a group page that fails to achive historical status... --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 23:12, 19 April 2008 (BST)</s> After deadline --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 06:53, 20 May 2008 (BST)
#:<s>'''No''' - huh, who???</s> After deadline, vote not signed --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 06:53, 20 May 2008 (BST)


Voting fails. 5 '''Against'''. Vote fails to meet 15 minimum. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 06:53, 20 May 2008 (BST)
===[[Big Bash 3]]===
BB3. Many of you were fortunate enough to have been a part of it or taken apart by it. For those of you who were, there's no need to explain any of this stuff to you since you were there. You saw it. You felt it. For those that missed it, however, it was something '''<span style="font-size: 1.1em;">BIG</span>''', and it had a planned beginning and end.


===[[The Anti-Smurf Brigade]]===
'''Game Impact:''' We began in the wake of [[Escape]] on June 3rd of last year. BB3 started out in the southwest corner of Malton, did a giant [[Big_Bash_3/Location#Where_is_Big_Bash_3_right_now.3F|looparound the city]], had to pause periodically to let folks catch up since we were moving too fast, and finished things up [[Big_Bash_3/Location|4 months and a week later]] with dozens upon dozens of our tag-wearing group members descending on the historic [[Whetcombe_Park_%28Stanbury_Village%29|Whetcombe Park]], in tribute to those that went [[On Strike]]. During that time, we <s>ruined</s> partied in 48 suburbs, though we also ate the brains of dozens of other suburbs that were fortunate enough to be adjacent to those 48. We moved through suburbs so quickly that most survivors never even knew we were coming until their suburb was ruined, and though no official count was kept, it's probably safe to say that thousands, if not tens of thousands, of brains were eaten by our members in the four months we were active. Backing that up, the survivor to zombie ratio shifted from about 70:30 when we started, to more like 40:60 when we ended.
The ASB was an Organisation formed originally by [[The Randoms]] and the Bakers of the Apocalypse (who are now defunct). It was later joined by many other groups in the South West of Malton, including The B-Team (also defunct), [[M.S.L.F]] and [[Tactical Area Rescue]]. It was sort of the DEM of the South West Suburbs, especially Buttonville, Williamsville and Wyke Hills, and was involved in con-ordinating responses to quite a few dangerous Smurf Outbreaks in the area. After the Bakers and the B-Team went down, the ASB kind of went into the background and its now disbanded until a time when the Smurfs need putting down again. -- [[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheeseman]] <sup>[[Project Welcome|W!]][[The Randoms|Random]][[User_Talk:Krazy Monkey|Talk]]</sup> 21:09, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
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#'''Yes''' - The ASB was the greatest fear of Smurfs everywhere and deserves to be recognised as such!! -- [[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheeseman]] <sup>[[Project Welcome|W!]][[The Randoms|Random]][[User_Talk:Krazy Monkey|Talk]]</sup> 21:10, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - While geographically smaller than some of the centrally-located umbrella groups, the ASB was far more inclusive, active, and appreciated within the confines of their corner of Malton. The ASB will be long-remembered by the locals in South-Central Malton, as well as among the many survivor groups their "foreign service" touched. - [[User:Krae|Krae]] 21:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
#'''Nay''' - I have actually never heard of you, seen of you ever. And it's not like I don't live in the area, the south west is mah corner. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:40, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
#*'''Re''' - We were around. When abouts did you start playing in the South West? -- [[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheeseman]] <sup>[[Project Welcome|W!]][[The Randoms|Random]][[User_Talk:Krazy Monkey|Talk]]</sup> 22:00, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
#**Pretty much all my gaming history, over almost a year and a half. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 22:07, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
#***Ah well. :P As I said we were closer to the Buttonville area so maybe you were a bit further away from our sphere of influence :D. -- [[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheeseman]] <sup>[[Project Welcome|W!]][[The Randoms|Random]][[User_Talk:Krazy Monkey|Talk]]</sup> 22:10, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - We were like a big, smurf killing family :'(, except without the infighting and incest. Well, mostly. --[[User:Dudemeister|dudemeister]] 22:04, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
#'''No''' - i remember that you existed, but that is all i remember of you. nothing historical to note.--[[User:Bullgod|Bullgod]] 23:00, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Merely existing and then disbanding isn't enough. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[DORIS]] [[Caiger Resistance Front|CRF]] [[Militant Order of Barhah|MOB]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 02:59, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


===[[GANKBUS]]===
'''Community Impact:''' I believe that at our peak we were the largest organized group in the game, which is made all the more impressive by the fact that we had numerous other groups that joined us while keeping their own tags, plus a massive feral cloud that could be felt from suburbs away. A cloud so renowned, in fact, that more than once since we disbanded, many of us have heard the cry of an ignorant survivor as they declared, "Its [''sic''] Big Bash 3!" when a random zombie breached a building. It's happened so often, in fact, that the Philosophe Knights even [[:File:Gatedeclass1.png|satirized]] [[:File:Gatedeclass2.png|the occurrence]] during a play they staged. The fact that the Malton Herald & Sun [[RRF/Malton_Herald_%26_Sun/Main1010|featured BB3]], coupled with the fact that we disbanded suddenly (but intentionally) while we were still the second largest organized group in the game probably led to the confusion.
GANKBUS is probably the most significant group ever to be a part of the great game that is Urban Dead. Single handedly dismantling the CDF and forcing its leader into an embarrassing retirement, GANKBUS deserves this significant title. [[User:Rasher|Rasher]] 18:58, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
* '''Yes''' - GANKBUS was the reason that Historical Groups were created by Bob Hammero (idiots).  Also we managed to infiltrate and destroy one of the larger player groups in the game, eventually holding their own base of operations.  Gage and several of the other people that disbarred us from historical status hated us personally and simply sought to discredit us.  If anything, we're grandfathered into historical status by the fact that we were locked and historical before the historical policy was even drafted. -- [[User:Rueful|Rueful]] 19:24, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
**Historical has a different meaning than it did then, back then it was simply for groups that didn't exist to keep the pages from being wiped and keep people from adding to them, since then it gained a real purpose and a meaning.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 20:12, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
* '''Yes''' - In terms of pure contribution, negative or positive, GANKBUS had a huge impact on the wiki and the game as a whole. Players who "have never heard of us" or "don't remember us" simply didn't play or use the wiki at the time of our activity. We even had copycat groups at the time who joined our crusade against the evil Amazing and his cronies. GANKBUS had a singular mission, and it was achieved. Simply because they stopped operating after that does not mean we do not deserve a place in history. [[User:Rasher|Rasher]] 19:28, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
* '''Hell No''' - And further more you and your group disgust me. Not only is your group a whos who of wiki scumery(you even have Scinfaxi listed as an ally), your actions and history are of one of the worst events in the history of this wiki and should be swept under the rug of the wiki, not paraded about like you acheived some important or great victory. In game you were an unimportant, small, griefer group, on the wiki you were some of the worst contributers and drama mongers we ever had. Be proud GANKBUS, then go die in a fire and be forgotten.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 19:54, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
** Your hatred for us is not at issue here, the issue is whether we had a significant impact.  If you ignore the bad parts of the history, you'll never learn from them (Hitler) -- [[User:Rueful|Rueful]] 19:59, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
***The issue is that not only did you lie in the proposal for historical group<small>(in the group pages history you adimit 1)that you weren't alone in griefing the CDF 2)that you weren't sure it was just your actions and 3)I'm pretty sure the [[Crossman_Defense_Force|CDF]] is [http://www.urbandead.com/stats.html still around], under Zod Rhombus still even.)</small> but you have nothing to make you historical beyond the fact that you were a bunch of assholes with no life , a penchant for abusing the Arbitration/Vandal Banning Process, and loved picking and antagonizing one of the least popular users in the wiki's history. You're scum, you aren't historical, and in a perfect wiki you would be banned from contributing due to your past contributions.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 20:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
**** First, You're correct, we're not the first and not the last to attack CDF (LCD came first, as far as I know GANKBUS second, and ASS along with other copycats came soon after).  Second, none of the zombie groups *know* that they were the sole factor in taking over a mall (vacations, pregnancy, WoW), but it's highly coincidental that CDF's number declined from ~45-50 if I recall to nearly being gone while we were in the height of our glory.  Third, yes, CDF is still around, and as you pointed out under new leadership -- the leadership in place at the time when we were active was ousted.  As for your personal attacks, {huuugs}  -- [[User:Rueful|Rueful]] 20:28, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
***** Oh, and maybe this is the perfect wiki because I've been banned like 3 times -- [[User:Rueful|Rueful]] 20:30, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
**** Every point you make in your argument is another reason we should be placed in the Historical Groups section. [[User:Rasher|Rasher]] 20:32, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
** By simple virtue of a "hell no", it is obvious that we deserve a place in history. [[User:Rasher|Rasher]] 20:02, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
***You keep thinking that.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 20:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
****I think we have found the latest incarnation of Amazing[[User:Rasher|Rasher]] 20:29, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
****Also, you weren't even around during our crusade. The very fact that you have heard of us is further support that we deserve a historic group category. [[User:Rasher|Rasher]] 20:37, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
***** I'm gonna respond to both of you here now, cause responding to two people who are probably socks separately is a waste of my time. That's a big assumption there, that I wasn't around. Zod Rohmbus has been a big part of that group for a long time, I wouldn't exactly say it's new leadership. And as far as zombies go, zombies know they are a factor because the mall is dead, you don't have that convinience as a griefer and as such your claims of success are usually unfounded, idiotic, or just plain wrong. People leave, it happens, griefers generally do not speed up the process. ''The point is your whole claim to deserving a historical title is a lie and completely factually inaccurate'', the only thing you can claim that would be true is that you were griefers and shat on the wiki on a regular basis, neither one of those make your group "the most significant group ever to be a part of the great game that is Urban Dead." --<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 20:51, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
****** Since you weren't around at the time I guess there's no convincing you otherwise of our significance.  Thanks for your vote ! -- [[User:Rueful|Rueful]] 21:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
*******You keep thinking that.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 21:06, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
********He doesn't have to keep thinking that. http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=562491 - You joined the game June 11, 2006. http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Template:Wikipendence -Our reign ended June 9. Way to go, troll. [[User:Rasher|Rasher]] 21:39, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
*********Competence isn't your strong suit Socko, the list on my user page is only active accounts.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 06:08, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


===[[The Neon Knights]]===
'''Strategic Impact:''' We advocated the use of [[Big_Bash_3/Attacking#Attack_windows|attack windows]] in addition to strike teams, which ensured that even without coordination and communication, we still struck as a horde. Tactics such as these are what led to a healthy Fort Creedy and Giddings Mall falling within hours of each other after we moved into the suburb. Having a horde didn't hurt either, of course.
This group is confirmed inactive.  I never liked it myself, but that was part of the point - it was probably the first group to have a problem with revives because they were part of a vast NecroTech conspiracy.--[[User:otherlleft|otherlleft]] <sup>[[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup> 16:35, 15 September 2007 (BST)
:'''Voting failed. No one voted''' --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 07:04, 22 November 2007 (UTC)


===[[McZeds]]===
'''Wiki Impact:''' Did I mention that we have a kick-ass group page? And that we had received over 3000 page views of ''a countdown'' we posted a week in advance of when we officially started? We were also the most-linked group page for most of our run.
''see [[McZeds/Historical_Group_Voting|voting]]''


The old McZeds was a historical movement, didn't do much in game, but it was a pioneer in its variety of humor, culinary jokes- and groups were missing. Amazing and Atari Techno are now absentee from the wiki, so this old version of McZeds deserves to be put out to pasture, and the new one heralded in. --[[User:Nalikill|Nalikill]] 22:30, 13 September 2007 (BST)
'''Other Impact:''' BRA!NZ.
:'''Voting failed''' --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 07:05, 22 November 2007 (UTC)


===[[The Profile Police]]===
{{User:Aichon/Bsig}} 22:41, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
:''see [[The Profile Police/Historical Group Voting|voting]]''


The Profile Police were a PK'ing group that made their impact in South West Malton. They primarily worked in and around [[Lockettside]] and made appearances in [[Tompson Mall]] as well as [[Marven Mall]] in [[South Blythville]]. The Profile Police routinely checked the spelling and grammar of character profiles and PK'd those characters whose profiles did not meet their standards. The Profile Police held a ''non-descript day of learning'' where characters whose profiles were blank (aka non-descript) were executed.
====Yes====
#'''Yes''' - The party may have ended, but we still have the memories, and there's no denying that we made a big impact while we were around. I've been waiting for the four-month inactive timer to finish up so I could finally post this, and today is the day. {{User:Aichon/Bsig}} 22:46, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - If you want to talk about things with an impact in 2010, Big Bash should be ''high'' up on your list if you don't want to be laughed at. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 22:53, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - Wow has it been four months already. I was there and it was indeed groundbreaking. Just look at the suburb map history for [[Suburb/History/201006|June]], [[Suburb/History/201007|July]], [[Suburb/History/201008|August]], and particularly [[Suburb/History/201009|September]] of 2010 and you'll see just what kind of impact was made. The group made a lasting impact on the game which lasted many, many weeks after (and to an extent before) the events. It was definitely historic. {{User:Vapor/sig}} 22:55, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
#--{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 23:42, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - I had fun! -- [[User:Bisfan|Bisfan]] 01:17, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - I don't think a horde has ever moved around the map so fast. Good times and great memories.--{{User:Skoll/sig}} 01:45, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - Had a clear impact on game history that in many ways, defined and dictated 2010 for UD. -[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 04:18, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
# Just because it didn't come up against the same survivor opposition as BB2 (and therefore won't be remembered as much for great battles, impact etc.) doesn't mean it isn't worthy of wearing the historical tag. Just because we were too weak to make any notable stands against BB3 doesn't make BB3 worse in itself. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 05:34, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
#I heard of them, and I was nearly inactive. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 08:01, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
#The standout happening of the last two years. BB3 revitalised a dying zombie metagame and defined the standard of play for a huge duration of time. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 13:19, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
#--{{User:Armpit_Odor/dnsig}} 21:00, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Yes''', BB3 was awesome, and the fact that it came at the end of Escape was the perfect cherry on top. --[[User:Shatari|Shatari]] 22:18, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Sure''' - Why not?--[[User:Amber Waves of Pain|Amber Waves of Pain]] 10:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Hell yes''' --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 06:29, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''YES''' BRA!NZ!!!!!--[[User:Akbar|Akbar]] 00:22, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' The speed in which this mega-horde ripped through suburbs was astonishing. Revitalised the zombie game it seems, and Malton hasn't been half as safe during or since. --{{User:RenegadeRomero/Sig}} 02:18, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' -
#:This Big Bash triumphed.
#:I'm making a note here, HUGE SUCCESS.
#:It's hard to overstate my satisfaction.
#:It's the third Big Bash:
#:We killed who we could because we must;
#:For the good of all of us-
#:At least the ones who are dead.
#:-
#:But there's no sense crying over every [[revivification|mistake]],
#:You just keep on killing 'till you run out of hate.
#:And the slaughter gets done
#:And you cut the flow of guns
#:To the people who are still alive.
#:-
#:I am still hungry.
#:I'm being so sincere right now.
#:Even though we ate your heart and killed you.
#:And tore you to pieces.
#:And threw every piece into our stomachs.
#:As you died it hurt because
#:We were so happy for you.
#:-
#:But those points of action brought a beautiful time
#:To a great faction, who's strength only climbed
#:So I'm GLaD the bash returned, think of all the [[survivor|meal]]s we've turned
#:Into the people who are not alive.
#:-
#:Be lucid and vote Yes
#:You know it deserves to be recalled
#:Unless you find something else that moved you
#:Maybe [[Escape II]]
#:That was a joke, ha ha, FAT CHANCE
#:Anyway your brain is great
#:It's so delicious and moist.
#:-
#:Look at me still talking when there's murder to do
#:When I look out there it makes me GLaD we killed you
#:So those breathers better run, 'cause we're loose to have some fun
#:On the people who are still alive.
#:-
#:And believe me we were not alive.
#:We murdered people and were not alive.
#:We felt fantastic and were not alive.
#:While you were dying we were not alive.
#:And when you died we remained not alive.
#:Not alive.
#:NOT ALIVE --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 07:49, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
# Yarp --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 22:24, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
# Yus - As TripleU --{{User:DT/Signature}} 00:38, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
# Yes - sound pretty important to me. And I know what sounds important (I don't really) [[User:Louis Vernon|Louis Vernon]] 00:20, 12 February 2011 (UTC)


The educational antics of The Profile Police lasted from April 2007 through July 2007.  
====No====
#'''No''' -Big Bash 3 was to Big Bash as Godfather 3 was to the Godfather.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 22:57, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' I thought I'd be the only one. The Impact was much less than either of its predecessors and was nothing ''new''. (I can see why people would vote yes, but I've always fallen back on the question "Did they change the game?" when I vote. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 23:00, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
#:I can see where you're coming from, but by your standard I don't think that we'll ever see any ''new'' groups enter the ranks of Historical Group, which isn't fair to those that are worthy of note. And if you're looking for game changing or new, it shifted the population balance drastically and introduced a new method of coordinating a feral horde that I have not heard of being used prior to it at this scale. As Spiderzed said, any mention of 2010 should include it. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:16, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
#: Remind me why you voted for Blackmore XVIII as an historic event again. -[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 04:22, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' - BB3 was impressive and it did demonstrate that the survivor player base is evaporating (confirmed by the recent GSGM).  Furthermore, it is now clear that the remaining metagamers are basically zombies.  So the fallout from the bash has lead to a significant revelation.  However when considering a big bash or a big prick or a mall tour or escape etc, I think it's enough to include the first of each of these events as historically significant, rather than each subsequent one.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 04:13, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
#:I have to disagree with this statement.  The survivor player base is not evaporating.  The zombie player base is.  When I checked the [http://www.urbandead.com/stats.html stats] yesterday to update Organization XIII's page, the population favors the survivors, and it still favors survivors right now.  As of right now, the current ratio stands at 39% zombies, 61% survivors.  I'd like to know: where have all the zombie metagamers gone to? --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 04:33, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
#::I don't really agree with Giles, but his argument is more about the organized, player base who metagame/use forums/are in groups rather than the population as a whole. -[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 04:56, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' - I say this as somebody who's zed took part in BB3, or at least tried. I had extreme difficulty ever finding the horde, and ending up sitting outside Caiger Mall for 3 months. I find myself agreeing with Giles, Ross, and sadly, Anime Sucks. This wasn't really on the scale of the other bashes, imo.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 07:34, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' - as Yonnua above, the third Bash didn't bother to update the wiki enough, anyone trying to follow via the wiki would find themselves a suburb or two behind, wandering ruins. Seemed kinda selfish. Plus the grande finale we were promised was a waste of time sitting around waiting for nothing for a few weeks. Saying that, it was kinda historical, and had its moments, but fuck it - am punishing its inadequacies with a NO. --{{User:Lady Clitoria/Sig}} 09:13, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Nay''' A big horde steamrolling Malton historical? No. More like day to day business. Compared to BB2, it really isn't anything special. Mostly as the others too. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|12px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|12px]]</span> [[User_Talk:MisterGame|<span style= "color: black; background-color: white">'''''Talk''''']]</span> 11:11, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' - As Anime. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 14:13, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''NO''' as above except for thad.----[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">sexualharrison</span>]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] ¯\([[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]])/¯ 16:52, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
# '''No''' - due to peer pressure. I was involved in it, but I didnt see it being that huge it needs historical status.--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 23:03, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
# '''No''' -- Sad to say, but the math is simple.  [[Escape]] =! Historical, [[BB3]] << [[Escape]] (due to the fact that BB3 came from Escape), therefore [[BB]] =! Historical. Besides, according to the map on the page, they didn't even manage to hit every single 'burb before giving up. [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 23:08, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
#:Um BB3 came from Escape what? Can I have some of what you're smoking?--{{User:Skoll/sig}} 23:17, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
#::This gentleman seems to be mistaking Big Bash 3 with The Red Death, which is a smallish horde which ''joined'' BB3 after the Bash was already rolling. Praise Knowledge, down with Ignorance! --{{User:DT/Signature}} 00:41, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Nah''' - Like YoKo above, I got lost dead early into it with mah zambah. Lost, or bored, can't remember which now. Either way, it was balls. {{User:Kempy/sig}} 13:08, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
# '''No''' - as said above --[[User:Efighter|Efighter]] 16:53, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Just not really as important as the first two. And I'd consider Escape more noteworthy in 2010.--{{User:Drawde/Sig}} 17:53, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' - I was going to attend but it had all been done 1st and 2nd time --[[User:C Whitty|C Whitty]] 20:30, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' - BB3 did not raise or even meet the bar set by previous Bashing. --{{User:Another_alias/Signature}} 20:08, 13 February 2011 (UTC)


The Profile Police made instant enemies of many survivor groups in Malton and for a short time appeared to be one of the most hated groups in the game.  The response to the Profile Police far exceeded the response for any group of similar size.
With an approval rate of ~57%, BB3 has '''failed'''. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 14:45, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
:But...but...but...Trips gave such a poetic speechsong. :( {{User:Vapor/sig}} 14:53, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


--[[User:8 Bucks|8 Bucks]] 22:00, 14 August 2007 (BST)
===[[Big Survivors Little Survivor]]===
:'''Voting failed''' --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 07:07, 22 November 2007 (UTC)


===[[Christmas Tree Dead Pool]]===
Anyway, as unlikely to succeed as it is, I'd like to nominate [[Big Survivors Little Survivor]] for Historical status.  
Historical, as its function (except for prize distribution) has now ended.  Is in the category of "wiki group".  Had a hell of a lot of members, if you count entrants as members. '''There is a precedent for wiki groups being placed in this categeory: [[WCDZ]] had no in-game membership or purpose.'''


'''For'''
You probably have no idea who they were. It's unsurprising.


#For being so goddamn fun. --{{User:Axe27/Sig}} 04:43, 11 May 2007 (BST)
To Paraphrase.  
# An amusing little bit of UD history. --[[User:Karloth vois|Karloth Vois]] 13:25, 11 May 2007 (BST)
#Did we not participate in this? Treasure it! --[[User:Thegreathal|Thegreathal]] 18:34, 11 May 2007 (BST)
# for, i was two days away from winning!--[[User:Blood Panther|Blood Panther]] 20:58, 11 May 2007 (BST)
#This was an enjoyable passtime, and within the spirit of the Historical Groups Policy as written. --{{User:Darth Sensitive/Sig}} 03:04, 12 May 2007 (BST)
#It was an interesting activity on the wiki.  --[[Image:ZombieSlay3rSig.png]]<sup>[[User talk:Zombie slay3r|T]]</sup> 01:06, 13 May 2007 (BST)
#No harm in keeping this little curio around, and I wouldn't want to see it get deleted. --[[User:Toejam|Toejam]] 16:06, 14 May 2007 (BST)
#Perhaps we should create a policy for protecting past wiki-groups or concept ideas? --{{User:Dux Ducis/sig}} 11:23, 18 May 2007 (BST)
#:I suppose I could just copy the entire text to a new page in my user area to make it delete proof- putting <nowiki>{{SUBST:OLDPAGENAME}}</nowiki> on the new page does that with almost no effort.  It would stay categorized as it currently is, so no loss there.  --[[User:Swiers|Seb_Wiers]] <small>[[Vita ex Mors|VeM]]</small> 12:18, 18 May 2007 (BST)
#::You could, but in case of inactivty, it could get deleted thereby rendering the subst. invalid. Just copy the whole wiki source and paste it over at your userspace.--[[User:ShadowScope|ShadowScope]] 00:10, 19 May 2007 (BST)
#:::That's what SUBST does, isn't it?  Otherwise you;d just use normal braces inclusion.  When I change my sig page (which is SUBSTed into my sigs) the older ones do not get updated, so I don't see how deleting the page would matter.  --[[User:Swiers|Seb_Wiers]] <small>[[Vita ex Mors|VeM]]</small> 00:22, 19 May 2007 (BST)
#::::Ah, okay, my bad. Didn't know how SUBST works...--[[User:ShadowScope|ShadowScope]] 04:47, 19 May 2007 (BST)
#It was really fun--[[User:Duke Garland|Duke Garland]]<sub>[[User talk:Duke Garland|T]]</sub><sup>[[LCD]] [[SSZ]]</sup> 18:35, 19 May 2007 (BST)
#How can you not vote for christmas! --[[User:Danalov|Danalov]] 11:38, 22 May 2007 (BST)


'''Against'''
*'''BSLS''' were the first group of any description to be created in [[Borehamwood]].
#Not an in game group. Not even historical if you ask me.--''[[User:Gage|Gage]]'' 04:15, 11 May 2007 (BST)
#As Gage, I think that Historical status should be granted only to ingame groups. To include this Group would be to bend the laws of this category, a LOT. --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 04:46, 11 May 2007 (BST)
#:What about [[WCDZ]]?--[[User:Swiers|Seb_Wiers]] <small>[[Vita ex Mors|VeM]]</small> 12:29, 11 May 2007 (BST)
#::We actually came up on the conformed stats at one point, and had icecream socials in-game. what can I say, we were bored.--[[User:Vista|Vista]] <sup>[[Signature_Race|+1]]</sup> 15:32, 11 May 2007 (BST)
# Today there are still two christmas trees in the game. And presumably you'll do the same next year if christmas trees come back into the game so whats the point? --[[User:Marie|''Marie'']]<sup>''[[The Grove|The Grove]] [[The Grove/Tour of Malton|on Tour]]''</sup> 15:48, 11 May 2007 (BST)
#:The contest is over, regardless of tree status subsequent to the winning conditions it set.  I can't say what I (or anybody else) would do next year, but running the contest was enough work that I'd hesitate to do it again- been there, done that, what's the point in a re-run for me?  I also don't personally expect Kevan to repeat the tree thing; he's a pretty creative guy.  He had the crates the first year, the trees and lights the next, so maybe for '07 we'll get the option to go caroling?  Or snow, so we can build snowmen and have snowball fights?  Who knows, and does it matter to this vote?  --[[User:Swiers|Seb_Wiers]] <small>[[Vita ex Mors|VeM]]</small> 23:44, 11 May 2007 (BST)
#:: Fair enough, but I think we should get a policy for historical wiki groups- then this can o there. Maybe I'll think of writing one... --[[User:Marie|''Marie'']]<sup>''[[The Grove|The Grove]] [[The Grove/Tour of Malton|on Tour]]''</sup> 09:43, 12 May 2007 (BST)
#::: Maybe so.  Alternately, historical wiki events, or just general wiki history, would be an interesting concept.  The various evolutions of the suburb map and suggestions page are (at least to me) a neat bit of community history.  --[[User:Swiers|Seb_Wiers]] <small>[[Vita ex Mors|VeM]]</small> 15:09, 12 May 2007 (BST)
#'''Against''' - As per Gage's response. --[[User:Poodle of doom|Poodle of doom]] 23:31, 12 May 2007 (BST)
# I have to agree with Gage as well, for the same reasons.--[[User:Headless gunner|Headless gunner]] <sup>[[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup> 09:50, 14 May 2007 (BST)
#Not a Urban Dead game group!!!!! [[User:Evildemon989|Evildemon989]]
# There's a significant difference between a minigame and a group. I do believe that this should receive some sort of special recognition, just not in this way. --[[User:Specialist290|'''Specialist290''']] [[User talk:Specialist290|{{c|black|♠}}]][[Ghetto Cow|{{c|red|♥}}]][[User:Specialist290/Huey P Long|{{c|black|♣}}]][[Mayor of Malton|{{c|red|♦}}]] 22:33, 16 May 2007 (BST)
#:{{s|'''No''' - It wasn't very historical--Caasinedrah}} Vote struck. No timestamp. --{{User:Axe27/Sig}} 05:07, 12 May 2007 (BST)
# as much fun as i had counting down those trees i'd say not a in game group therefore can't be added but should remain in the history books for sure. also i missed out by a day :( [[User:Me101|Me101]] 06:51, 17 May 2007 (BST)
#Not a group.--[[User:Karek|karek]] 09:58, 23 May 2007 (BST)
'''Result''' - 10 voted '''Yes''' and 9 voted '''No'''.  Rejected.  --[[Image:ZombieSlay3rSig.png]]<sup>[[User talk:Zombie slay3r|T]]</sup> 22:49, 25 May 2007 (BST)


===[[Red Guards]]===
*'''BSLS''' members hold the records for both "largest survived suicide repair in a perma death city." (350ap) and "largest suicide repair ever attempted" [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Image:529_Repair_cost.PNG (529ap)]
Murray Jay announced the dissolution of the Red Guards in early 2007 and it's already listed in the 'retired or disbanded' category on the main [[RRF]] pageLament, all. --[[User:Prothero|Prothero]] 07:13, 7 May 2007 (BST)


'''For'''
*'''BSLS''' were the largest organised survivor group, before the meta combined all survivor groups into a single lump.
#'''Yes''' [[User:Prothero|Prothero]] 07:13, 7 May 2007 (BST)
#'''Yes''' Listen, any history should be categorized in my opinion if we can, and if they want to be remembered, why not? Though not a prerequisite, time went into the page as well.--[[User:Thegreathal|Thegreathal]] 01:36, 9 May 2007 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - [[User:Murray Jay Suskind|Murray Jay Suskind]] 03:37, 11 May 2007 (BST)
#'''Yes''' --[[User:DonTickles|DonTickles]] 04:38, 11 May 2007 (BST)
#'''Yah''' - If they aren't made historical, they'll be deleted before the RRF is declared historical.  Duh.--{{User:Lachryma/sig}} 04:43, 11 May 2007 (BST)
#:They should be moved to a subpage of the [[RRF]] page, so they won't be deleted and will attain Historical status along with the main group if they dissolve. It's not the hardest thing to do (but I won't do it because I'm not RRF's favorite XD), and it's the right thing instead of doing wrong to avoid worse. --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 04:53, 11 May 2007 (BST)
#::I'll ask Murray if he likes that.--{{User:Lachryma/sig}} 05:20, 11 May 2007 (BST)
#:::Put in a move request.  That seems to be the best alternative. -- [[User:Murray Jay Suskind|Murray Jay Suskind]] 17:49, 11 May 2007 (BST)
# '''Yes''' --[[User:Goolina|Goolina]] <sub>[[Gore Corps]]</sub> 05:29, 11 May 2007 (BST)
# '''Yes''' --[[User:Heiki|Heiki]] 20:39, 11 May 2007 (AEST)
# '''Yes''' [[User:Liam Degen|Liam Degen]] 20:25, 11 May 2007 (BST)
# '''Yes'''--[[User:Karek|karek]] 12:49, 14 May 2007 (BST)
'''Against'''
#'''Against''' - Who? Who are these guys? --[[User:Poodle of doom|Poodle of doom]] 19:49, 7 May 2007 (BST)
#'''No''' - Sorry, never heard of them. --[[User:Gut stench|Gut stench]] <sup>[[Feral Undead|FU]] [[The Burchell Arms Regulars|BAR]]</sup> 21:56, 7 May 2007 (BST)
#'''NO''' - In ridelybank and ive never heard of them? they seem to have been a splinter group of something larger. [[User:Me101|Me101]] 00:57, 8 May 2007 (BST)
#'''No''' - Who? --{{User:Axe27/Sig}} 01:00, 8 May 2007 (BST)
#'''No''' - {{User:Flogging Molly/Sig}} 03:10, 8 May 2007 (BST)
#'''No''' - They're a strike team within the RRF. '''Not''' a group. --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 04:06, 8 May 2007 (BST)
#'''No''' - Pieces of groups don't cut it. [[User:Slicer|Slicer]] 04:20, 8 May 2007 (BST)
#'''No''' - As Poodle and Matt. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 13:15, 8 May 2007 (BST)
#'''No''' - If there are part of the RRF then surely this page will be added to the historical category/protected whatewver when the RRF enters for historical groups. Since its only a sub-group I don't think it desevres to go in on its own. --[[User:Marie|''Marie'']]<sup>''[[The Grove|The Grove]] [[The Grove/Tour of Malton|on Tour]]''</sup> 15:32, 8 May 2007 (BST)
#'''Against''' - never heard of 'em! --{{User:Dux Ducis/sig}} 15:35, 8 May 2007 (BST)
#'''NOPE''' - what matt and marie said. sorry murry.--[[User:Sexualharrison|Sexualharrison]] <sup> [[Malton Rangers|MR]]&bull; [[Mossad| ה ]]&bull;[[User_talk:Sexualharrison|T]]</sup>[[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] [[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]] 17:38, 8 May 2007 (BST)
#'''No''' - As much respect as I have for the former leader of this group, I have to vote against this on the same grounds as Matt. I would like to add, however, that they did give me inspiration for a line or two when I was composing my lyrics for [[User:Specialist290/La Revolucion|one of my songs]] ;) --[[User:Specialist290|'''Specialist290''']] [[User talk:Specialist290|{{c|black|♠}}]][[Ghetto Cow|{{c|red|♥}}]][[User:Specialist290/Huey P Long|{{c|black|♣}}]][[The Malton Mirror|{{c|red|♦}}]] 22:27, 8 May 2007 (BST)
#'''No''' - They are more like a subgroup of the [[RRF]].  --[[Image:ZombieSlay3rSig.png]]<sup>[[User talk:Zombie slay3r|T]]</sup> 03:33, 11 May 2007 (BST)
#'''No''' - I also hope Matthew Fahrenheit above is right. But you never know with overzelous Wiki janitors. [[User:Bluetigers|Bluetigers]] 06:18, 11 May 2007 (BST)
#'''No''' - As Matt. Bluetigers, there's no need for that kind of thing, OK? --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] <sup>[[UDWiki:Moderation|Sys]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 12:34, 11 May 2007 (BST)
#'''No''' - I've never heard of their work, nor have I seen any of their members in-game. They can't have made too big of an impact.--[[User:Headless gunner|Headless gunner]] <sup>[[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup> 09:50, 14 May 2007 (BST)
#:{{s|They were a subgroup. 'nuf said--Caasinedrah}} Vote struck. No timestamp. --{{User:Axe27/Sig}} 05:16, 12 May 2007 (BST)
#'''No''' - sorry, never heard --[[User:Duke Garland|Duke Garland]]<sub>[[User talk:Duke Garland|T]]</sub><sup>[[LCD]] [[SSZ]]</sup> 18:37, 19 May 2007 (BST)
'''Result''' - 9 voted '''Yes''' and 17 voted '''No'''.  Rejected.  --[[Image:ZombieSlay3rSig.png]]<sup>[[User talk:Zombie slay3r|T]]</sup> 22:49, 25 May 2007 (BST)


===[[Mall Tour '07]]===
*'''BSLS''' helped implement the standardised 28.06 radio channel throughout borehamwood alongside [[Galaxy News Radio]]
They just rocked. No discussion needed. --[[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheeseman]] <sup>[[Project Welcome|W!]][[The Anti-Smurf Brigade|ASB]][[User_Talk:Krazy Monkey|Talk]]</sup> 00:05, 30 April 2007 (BST)


'''For'''
*'''BSLS''' helped in the hunt for [[Game Over]] actively tracking Borehamwood's only publicised PK'er group. In the end we managed to wipe out their two leaders, whilst other survivors finished the job.  
#'''Yes''' - Seems like a no-brainer to me. No, really! --[[User:Rightylefty|Rightylefty]] 00:18, 4 May 2007 (BST)
#:{{s|'''Yes''' - There's no advantage in waiting for everyone to take the name out of their profile - the group has announced it's disbanding. Might as well put it into historical groups now instead of delaying. --[[User:Toejam|Toejam]]}} Invalid timestamp.  --[[Image:ZombieSlay3rSig.png]]<sup>[[User talk:Zombie slay3r|T]]</sup> 23:12, 18 May 2007 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Not only was I one of the ranzaging z'''m'''obies but I had a blast! And maybe if you checked the wiki you would see we got 19. *''Shakes victory pompoms''*--[[User:Mayor Fitting|Mayor Fitting]] 00:31, 1 May 2007 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - They owned almost have of malton, and reminded us that zombies can still be organized. i think they deserver this [[User:Lemonhead7t7|Lemonhead7t7]] 23:48, 1 May 2007 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - If they've announced it's done, it's done. Should be labeled Historical just so everyone knows it's over. Only exception would be if someone else decided to pick up the torch. [[User:Slicer|Slicer]] 23:53, 1 May 2007 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - They are historical, they deserve it, they won't be editing their group page anymore, that's all that counts. IMHO, even active groups could be considered historical: separating "historical" from "actual" facts is a custom brought by the leading classes in order to depolitize the masses, romanticising history. Don't do that. --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 00:12, 2 May 2007 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - I'm with Matthew. It has been a large group with a great impact in the recent history of Malton. It doesn't matter if there's people with Mall Tour '07 in the profile once it has been officially disbanded.  [[User:Scarbrow|Scarbrow]] 16:10, 2 May 2007 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - The sooner we can cover these ransackers in dust, the better, here here! Ain't updating their page nomore anyway. --[[User:Thegreathal|Thegreathal]] 22:25, 2 May 2007 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - And I think it's about time I took the Mall Tour '07 tag off my zombie alt... --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 14:32, 3 May 2007 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Historical now, historical later. Why wait?--''[[User:Gage|Gage]]'' 14:41, 3 May 2007 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Why not? Seems good enough for me. --[[User:AmatsuDarkfyre|AmatsuDarkfyre]] 05:05, 4 May 2007 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Time isn't going to influence this.--[[User:Vista|Vista]] 07:42, 4 May 2007 (BST)
#'''Yes''' -Such a worthy adversary deserves recognition--[[User:Iggy13|Iggy13]] 22:14, 4 May 2007 (BST)
#'''Yes''' -Not to soon at all, evey mall that was up got hit, tours over. -[[User:Bullgod|Bullgod]] 23:51, 4 May 2007 (BST)
#'''Yes''' -I know that ordinarily only deceased groups go into historical status, but Mall Tour was so incredibly destructive that it provides an instant historical high point for the zed community. Having tried unsuccessfully to defend Ackland Mall from it, I can say with certainty that I have never seen an assault on that scale before or since. POINT OF CLARIFICATION: I'm not saying that Mall Tour should be banished to the dustbin like most normal historical entries...I'm simply stating that they should be immediately recognized for their accomplishments. -[[User:Tarumigan|Tarumigan]] 11:26, 4 May 2007 (EST)
#'''Yes''' - I'll ignore the fact that it was the leader of The Randoms that nominated them, and vote yes.--[[User:Labine50|Labine50]] <sup>'''[[Malton Hospitals Group|MH]]'''</sup><nowiki>|</nowiki><sup>'''[[Malton Emergency Medical Service|ME]]'''</sup><nowiki>|</nowiki><sup>'''[[Tour Necrotech|TNT'07]]'''</sup> 23:26, 6 May 2007 (BST)
#:'''Re''': Lol. You know you love us really. :P -- [[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheeseman]] <sup>[[Project Welcome|W!]][[The Anti-Smurf Brigade|ASB]][[User_Talk:Krazy Monkey|Talk]]</sup> 22:30, 15 May 2007 (BST)
#'''Yes''' -Had a lot of fun fighting against them. -[[User:Antipathy|Antipathy]] 7:47, 8 May 2007 (EST)
#'''Yes''' - Sure, why not?  Since the Blackmore Bastards got in while still having members show up on the stats (and those numbers have since ''increased'' since the time of voting), I guess that presence on the stats page isn't a factor.  If it was, I'd vote no.--[[User:Jorm|Jorm]] 18:38, 8 May 2007 (BST)
#'''Yes''' -Yes, they should be allowed in because they were freaking unstoppable. Nothing, could slow them down after Stickling-grad. --[[User:Cap'n'cupcake|Cap&#39;n&#39;cupcake]] 22:23, 8 May 2007 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - It was really a great tour! - [[User:Jean|Jean]] 22:43, 9 May 2007 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - I'd vote yes for whenever the group has fallen to the right size or whatever, but agree with Sexualharrison's no vote in the part where he's concerned with a new one being added every year. Maybe change the link from the historical groups page to [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Mall_tour | this one]] and use that, instead of having a list of each one out on the main page? --[[User:Xyu|Xyu]] 01:32, 11 May 2007 (GMT)
# '''Yes''' [[User:Liam Degen|Liam Degen]] 20:25, 11 May 2007 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - As much as I hate them and think they are one of the most annoying yet destructive groups, they have a purpose and they have been successful. Yes they do. Of course they're not done "touring" yet. [[User:PooheadXYZ|PooheadXYZ]] 14:02, 12 May 2007 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - They unleashed a whirlwind of destruction, and deserve to be honored. --[[User:Goolina|Goolina]] <sub>[[Gore Corps]]</sub> 23:22, 13 May 2007 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - These guys left a wake of death and distruction respectable enough for admission.--[[User:Headless gunner|Headless gunner]] <sup>[[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup> 09:50, 14 May 2007 (BST)
#:{{s|'''Yes''' - It is a famous tour and almost every Urban Dead member knows it. --[[User:JudeMaverick|JudeMaverick]] <sup>[[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup><sup>'''[[TJ|TJ!]]'''</sup> 11:14, 18 May 2007 (BST)}} Vote posted past deadline.  --[[Image:ZombieSlay3rSig.png]]<sup>[[User talk:Zombie slay3r|T]]</sup> 23:12, 18 May 2007 (BST)
'''Against'''
*:{{s|'''No''' - No because I hate zed!!!!!!!!!! -- [[User:Evildemon989|evildemon989]] 15:50, * May 2007}}Invalid timestamp -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[User:Boxy/Locations|L]] [[Zombie Squad|ZS]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts2U]] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 15:51, 11 May 2007 (BST)
#'''No''' - Too many still showing it as their group in their profile. What's the rush? It's not like it's going to be [[A/SD|crit 12'ed]] any time soon. Wait 'til everyone has moved on -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[User:Boxy/Locations|L]] [[Zombie Squad|ZS]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts2U]] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 10:20, 1 May 2007 (BST)
#'''No''' - It's still one of the largest zombie groups in the game, just because it's not touring doesn't mean it's not around. --[[User:Karek|karek]] 12:16, 1 May 2007 (BST)
#'''No''' - Wait till it's off the stats page before putting it up for nomination. --{{User:Axe27/Sig}} 15:47, 1 May 2007 (BST)
#'''No''' - Agreed, this should particularly apply to zombie hoards.  Just bec. the hoard's "official" leadership says their over, doesn't mean the MT still isn't in effect beyond that leader's control.  I mean, these are supposed to be literally mindless zombie hoards, the "brains" of these outfits shouldn't have all that much control over their existential status.  Headshot don't kill in Urban Dead, it just slows you down some.--[[User:The Envoy|The Envoy]] 05:27, 2 May 2007 (BST)
#'''No''' - Wait a few months, then I'd be happy to go yes [[User:Cannywizard|Cannywizard]] 18:52, 2 May 2007 (BST)
#'''No''' - Other than getting stuck to long at Stickling it seemed fairly predictable and hardly game altering. Much less balls than '06. --{{User:Max Grivas/sig}} 17:40, 3 May 2007 (BST)
#'''No''' - Aren't they considering a rematch at Giddings still? Too soon like Boxy Says. --[[User:Marie|''Marie'']]<sup>''[[The Grove|The Grove]] [[The Grove/Tour of Malton|on Tour]]''</sup> 15:43, 4 May 2007 (BST)
#'''No''' They're not gone yet, so they shouldn't be a historical group. [[User:SteelVortex2|SteelVortex2]] 15:19, 5 May 2007 (BST)
#'''No''' I personally see that they should be on the historic list but its too soon usually we wait for all members to be written off. Wait for a while [[User:Me101|Me101]] 00:36, 6 May 2007 (BST)
#'''No''' Historic, YES, but not now, too soon.  There's plenty of '07 for them to ransack. [[User:Daniel Hicken|Daniel Hicken]] 02:23, 6 May 2007 (BST)
#'''No''' - COME ON PEOPLE! They've done this twice before (Maybe 3 times, can't remember if there was an '05). Is it really ''historical'', or is it just interesting to watch the general ebb and flow of countless mindless drones repeatedly doing the same thing? Still kicked our arses though! --[[User:Poodle of doom|Poodle of doom]] 03:41, 7 May 2007 (BST)
#'''No''' And anyone who voted yes on this better not be one of those who made the BBB wait for their historical status because they were still "active".  No playing favorites just because it's your side.  To be fair, I play both.  --[[User:Schloss Ritter|Schloss Ritter]] 05:06, 7 May 2007 (BST)
#'''No''' - Still on stats page. --[[User:Gut stench|Gut stench]] <sup>[[Feral Undead|FU]] [[The Burchell Arms Regulars|BAR]]</sup> 21:59, 7 May 2007 (BST)
#'''No''' - Ummmmm what? Still on the stats page, so does not even pass the requrements for historical! --{{User:Dux Ducis/sig}} 15:38, 8 May 2007 (BST)
#'''Hell NO''' - so do we have to make the mall tour a new historical group every year? i think not.--[[User:Sexualharrison|Sexualharrison]] <sup> [[Malton Rangers|MR]]&bull; [[Mossad| ה ]]&bull;[[User_talk:Sexualharrison|T]]</sup>[[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] [[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]] 17:42, 8 May 2007 (BST)
#'''No''' - It may just be me, but they didn't seem like that big of a deal. I may not have been around for the first two mall tours, but they seemed to be a lot bigger (or at least more publicized) than this one was. What did this one do? Take down malls while survivors were at their weakest (and getting their @$$es kicked everywhere else in Malton at the same time). The only thing "unique" about this one was that they started using PKers. But even despite the addition of semi-organized PKing, they weren't deadly enough to be particularly noteworthy. However, I do think that some sort of page should be created (call it an introduction to the mall tours) that summarizes the stuff on each Mall Tour's page (including this one) so that people know that the Mall Tours didn't skip a year or anything. --[[User:Reaper with no name|Reaper with no name]] <sup>[[TJ|TJ!]]</sup> 17:30, 10 May 2007 (BST)
#'''No''' - Not yet, I think the numbers need to drop a bit more on the stats page, which can be done by '''JOINING THE [[DDT|DULSTON DESTRUCTION TOUR]]!!!'''  --[[Image:ZombieSlay3rSig.png]]<sup>[[User talk:Zombie slay3r|T]]</sup> 03:32, 11 May 2007 (BST)
#: lol a little self promotion never hurt anyone. [[User:Me101|Me101]] 06:41, 17 May 2007 (BST)
#:{{s|'''No''' - I dont think they are historical yet, mostly since they have 50 members still on the stats page.--[[User:Jleggitt|<span style="color: gray">Jleggitt</span>]]<sup>[[Malton Rangers|<span style="color: green">MR</span>]]</sup> 16:59, 15 May 2007 (BST)}} Vote posted past deadline.  --[[Image:ZombieSlay3rSig.png]]<sup>[[User talk:Zombie slay3r|T]]</sup> 23:12, 18 May 2007 (BST)
'''Result''' - 24 voted '''Yes''' and 17 voted '''No'''. Rejected due to failure to meet at least 2/3 approval.  --[[Image:ZombieSlay3rSig.png]]<sup>[[User talk:Zombie slay3r|T]]</sup> 23:12, 18 May 2007 (BST)


===[[Cult of Cockfucktus]]===
*'''BSLS''' had Borehamwood's only international celebrity, namely [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1387761| Dermot O'leary]. Famed throughout the city for his habit of suicide repairs without telling anyone.  
Of all the groups that got historical status while not holding a discussion, this is the one that puzzles me the most. It was a spinoff of the [[PA Rebel Alliance]] made to whine about not receiving reinforcements at [[Giddings Mall]] during [[Mall Tour '06]], and lasted the incredible ammount of '''2 days'''. Justification for historical status according to [[User:Saromu|Saromu]] on the discussion page of said group is ''"Because of [this group] [[CMS-Meta]] was soon created"''. As far as it concerns me, it's dubious even if the [[CMS-Meta]] will make it to historical status when its time comes. Probably the mention of this group on the [[PA Rebel Alliance]] page is already enough honor for such a short lived group. --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 06:03, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


#'''No''' - As stated above. Also note that this discussion should have been held before, but at the beggining this category did not held discussions and a handful of people added "historical" tags on the groups they though, deserved them. Everyone agrees that [[Mall Tour '06]] have been historical without the need of any discussion, but this one... --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 06:03, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
*'''BSLS''' made up 5% of [[The Borehamwood 100]].  
#:Since I don't think he's really nominated the cult, it seems to me that Matthew's protest or discussion prompt is more appropriate for this section, as opposed to the nomination and voting section.  I think he's saying the Cult of Cockfucktus has misused or abused the historic page marker, and I am guessing that maybe he's making an effort to point out the wider potential abuse of said marker.--[[User:The Envoy|The Envoy]] 20:50, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
#::In response to both your comments Envoy, where this discussion belongs is open to interpretation (some will point above, some will point just here). I just put it up above because it would hardly receive a discussion down here, but now that you placed the discussion here I'll wait for a third party to make the decission of ''where'' it has to be. Anyways, the one who tagged the group was probably [[User:Saromu]], but I have to point out in his defense that it was before the guidelines for historical status were laid out, and that who did it doesn't matter: the issue here is that this group makes the Historical category look bad because good groups that held their ground for plenty of time don't get historical status with the excuse of "regional impact doesn't grant it", yet we have a ridiculous group that made it here without hardly any impact done on the game. --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 03:51, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Who...? I'm pretty sure I'd remember a name like that. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 20:58, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
#:The point is they already say they're historical.  If Matthew wants to make a case about this, he should also ID whoever put the tag up on the page, if possible.--[[User:The Envoy|The Envoy]] 21:01, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''Waste of Time''' - Criterion 12.--{{User:Thari/sig}} 10:04, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''Spam''' - {{User:Gage/sig}} 10:25, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No'''  <s>'''Can We Even Discuss This?''' Err, what right do we have to '''remove''' historic status?  This could set very very bad precedent.  I mean eventually everything will fall under some understanding of criterion 12 since the majority of '''no''' votes tend to be justified with some variation of "never heard of them."  Basically, those who live by the delete will themselves eventually die by the delete at the hands of the next generation of delete zealots.</s>--[[User:The Envoy|The Envoy]] 03:50, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
#:I'm trying to figure out why does this have historical status.--{{User:Thari/sig}} 04:02, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
#::... it doesn't anymore. I fixed that one.--{{User:Gage/sig}} 04:17, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - {{User:Flogging Molly/Sig}} 19:29, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - long live Cockfucktus! --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 01:26, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
#:Are you serious? Just note that neither we are voting or I'm asking for the Speedydeletion of this group, but just to take off the Historical tags and start to honor groups that really deserve them with it, that was already done. Maybe you know the group, but you really think it's historical? --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 05:41, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
#::Well, we need a category to put these types of groups in, that are still interesting, and part of the history of the place, but not really "historical" (I mean, GANKBUS, historical, FFS? What does that say about the culture here?), so that they don't get speedydeleted one day when no one is looking, or voted into oblivion because [edit] ''only the old timers have'' heard of them any more -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[User:Boxy/Locations|L]] [[PA Posse|PA]] [[Dead Animals|DA]]</sup> 06:13, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
#:::GANKBUS had a lot of impact on the UD world. If it's not historic, then the historical groups are a joke.--{{User:Thari/sig}} 06:20, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
#::::Indeed, I'm sure plenty agree... I think they were a bunch of asshat wiki vandals whose page should be kept, but not lauded as historical, and I'm suspect that there're plenty that agree with that too. I voted for BME down below, and I've a similar view of them (him). It seems the only way to ensure that the pieces of the history of this place don't just get canned when a couple of guys want to be the first to "serve it up to the asshats". History is being selectively deleted via popular demand. Vandals with unpopular targets get their egos stroked by being categorised with the likes of Mall Tour '06, The Many, The Pretorians, The Undying Scourge & the Shambling Seagulls while those that gave grief over long periods to the wiki "elite" are speedydeleted as soon as their page hits the month without an edit deadline -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[User:Boxy/Locations|L]] [[PA Posse|PA]] [[Dead Animals|DA]]</sup> 06:46, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Wha? {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 10:08, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''Errr No'''... --[[User:Marie|''Marie'']]<sup>''[[The Grove]]''</sup> 12:12, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' Who now?--[[User:Labine50|Labine50]] <sup>'''[[Malton Hospitals Group|MH]]'''</sup><nowiki>|</nowiki><sup>'''[[MEMS|ME]]'''</sup><nowiki>|</nowiki><sup>'''[[User:Labine50/Power For The People|P]]'''</sup> 00:30, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''NO''' who?--[[User:Sexualharrison|Sexualharrison]]<sub>[[Malton Rangers]]</sub> 17:47, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
#'''No''' -- Even the name is stupid. <font face="Verdana">-- [[Image:TexasFlag.gif|20px]] [[User:Bubbadick|Bubba]]<sup>[[User_Talk:Bubbadick|T]]</sup></Font> 20:50, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
#'''no''' they should be ineligible for nomination because of the controversy, above. [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 21:08, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
#'''No''' What's a cockfuctus, I wonders. --[[User:Axe27|Kamden]] 00:17, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - The CoC was at Mall Tour Caiger and was at war with Fazed. They had 30 members when it was created but with the end of the AoG, PARA, and The Two it has fallen apart. A lot of people here exclude news from 2005 because they weren't here. Because you don't know about it doesn't mean you can just toss it away. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[ The Caiger Resistance Front|CRF]] [[ DORIS]] [[Witch Burners|Hunt!]]</sup> 18:29, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
#'''No''' - I didn't take these guys seriously when they were around, and I don't now.--[[User:Headless gunner|Headless gunner]] 06:39, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
#'''No''' --[[Amanofpower|Amanofpower]] <sup>[[CFT]]</sup> <sup>[[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup> 18:21, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
#'''Fuck no''' All they did was sit around, and they had no effect on the game, not even during the days they were active. --[[User:YuriRuler90|YuriRuler90]] 23:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
#'''No''' 2 days come on ppl, also what was their signifigance.. nothing [[User:Me101|Me101]] 22:28, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
#'''yes''' [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 00:45, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


===[[Zombie Inc]]===
So what? I here you say. Did the BSLS do anything game changing or unique? Well I believe they did.
Never has a group so few been hated by so many for so long. Early zombie human co-op team. Pro zombie propagandists and healers. Credited by its enemies as the inventors of the "Zombie Bomb". Alliances with other more organized groups, some historically awarded, proved to be its downfall by fragmenting player focus. Will it's legacy live on... or are its crimes best forgotten?


#'''Yes''' [[User:bbrraaiinnss|bbrraaiinnss]] 14:50 17 February 2007 (GMT)
*'''BSLS''' helped discover, understand and fix the single most game breaking error in Urban Dead history, namely the free repair of all buildings with a repair cost of more than 150ap. Rather than exploit a bug that could of led to the reclamation of the entire ruined city in only a month and against the advice of some radical survivors, the Little Survivor's suspended all repairs, and [[User_talk:Kevan#Huge_Ruin_bug_could_leave_the_whole_of_Borehamwood_caded_in_less_than_a_month.|tried to stop the game from massively screwing zombies]]. As one member commented. "We've stayed ahead of the zombies so far, we don't need this."
#'''Yes''' -[[User:Bullgod|Bullgod]] 05:41, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
#'''No''' - I'd rather forget those guys. --{{User:Cap'n Silly/Sig}} 05:48, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - Their page is really funny, and it sounds like they made a difference.--{{User:Lachryma/sig}} 05:50, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - --[[User:Karloth vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[RR]]</sup> 18:55, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
#'''Yes'''--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 20:12, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - I am pretty sure I have heard of them. - [[User:Whitehouse|Whitehouse]] 21:02, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - Interesting...  ----[[Image:ZombieSlay3rSig.png]] 21:13, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' -[[User:Ashadoa|Ashadoa]] 22:11, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - I swear I saw these guys yesterday- they killed my mate, but then again these days I forget who is part of the z-team and whos a general nusinace. For sparking off a friendship between [[The Grove]] and [[5punk]] and endlessly PKing The Grove Three Cheers to never having to see these guys again. --[[User:Marie|''Marie'']]<sup>''[[The Grove|The Grove]] [[The Grove/Tour of Malton|on Tour]]''</sup> 16:04, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
#:Just noting that the group is retired. Any players still claiming membership do so purely for sentimental reasons.[[User:bbrraaiinnss|bbrraaiinnss]]
#::Knowing you are a member I voted Yes but then again none of you ever had Zombie Inc in your profiles really. Are you still playing now or not? --[[User:Marie|''Marie'']]<sup>''[[The Grove|The Grove]] [[The Grove/Tour of Malton|on Tour]]''</sup> 15:49, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
#'''Yes'''--{{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 10:09, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
#'''Yes'''--[[User:Axe27|Kamden]] 00:44, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


'''Results''' - 11 votes '''Yes''' 1 vote '''No'''. Rejected (didn't reach the 15 votes requeriment). --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 03:00, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
And on a slightly more annoying note,


===[[GANKBUS]]===
*'''BSLS''' were finally wiped out when [[User:Rosslessness]] requested Kevan bring snow to Urban dead. Less than a day later the last of the group was devoured by a feral who simply followed their footprints.


This group was in [[:Category:Historical Groups]]. It was placed there before mandatory voting to be included was made a rule. The group's sole aim was to pester a [[User:Amazing|certain user]]. I doubt that they made a difference in game at all, and I want the community to vote on this issue. It isn't fair for a few players to decide what is historical and what isn't for the whole community.--''[[User:Gage|Gage]]'' 19:22, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Which is why you now get....
#'''No''' - ''[[User:Gage|Gage]]'' 19:22, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
#'''No''' - [[ASS]] made it to historical because they went beyond targeting Amazing. This guys did nothing but that, and in many not so agreeable ways. --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 20:54, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
#'''No''' --[[User:Jorm|Jorm]] 20:56, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
#'''No''' --{{User:Flogging Molly/Sig}} 02:57, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
#'''No''' - [[User:Vantar|Vantar]] 04:31, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Although I'd hate to see their bastardry speedydeleted, I don't think they fit here -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[User:Boxy/Locations|L]] [[Zombie Squad|ZS]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts2U]] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 05:02, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Stop the madness. -- {{User:Atticus Rex/Sig}} 06:45, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Putting a group in the "Historical Groups" category that solely targeted one individual is tantamount to an official condemnation of that individual. I don't think even Amazing would deserve that. --[[User:Specialist290|Specialist290]]<sup>[[User talk:Specialist290|♠]]</sup> 18:57, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Hardly historical in-game, and of little ''public'' interest on the wiki. --[[User:MorthBabid|MorthBabid]] 22:21, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' They killed amazing..why not --[[User:Mayor Fitting|Mayor Fitting]] 22:41, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
#'''No''' - They had next to no impact in-game. Therefore, they can not be considered historical. The page may or may not be worthy of protection, but it certainly does not belong in historical groups. --[[User:Reaper with no name|Reaper with no name]] <sup>[[TJ|TJ!]]</sup> 17:22, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
#'''No''' - The page shouldn't be in historical groups, but it is worthy of protection.  --[[Image:ZombieSlay3rSig.png]] 18:11, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Hell no, only thing they should be remembered for was unjustified pking, lying, extreme amounts of unprovoked harassment, driving away one of the few intelligent beings on the wiki, they are the equivalent to terrorists and should be treated as such, nuff said --[[User:1 4 of CDF|1 4 of CDF]] 05:34, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
#'''No''' --{{User:Max Grivas/sig}} 05:54, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
#'''No''' - No real contributions other than PKing us. --[[User:Zod Rhombus|Zod Rhombus]] 06:29, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
#:So you admit that PKing you was a contribution? Sorry, I had to say it =P. --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 20:39, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
#'''No''' -First, I'd never heard of them until now. Second, looking at the summary and seeing they rallied around pummeling ''one'' guy out of thousands, I can't see their influence as anything more than a drop in the bucket. --[[User:Eatatjoes]] 22:28, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
#'''No''' - They had one hell of an impact on the wiki, for those around at the time. But they did basically nothing in the context of the game, and they aren't of interest to anyone who wasn't there at the time.--{{User:The General/sig}} 20:54, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


'''Results''' - 16 ''no'', 1 ''yes''. Rejected! {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 10:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
*Although it's freezing in [[Monroeville]] and [[Borehamwood]], the snow isn't heavy enough to leave footprints there.  


===[[Mrh?Brnhr.Graaaagh!]]===
So there you go. I look forward to your, "WWWHHOOOOOOO?" comments. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:38, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
Have you heard about this group ? Me neither. The All Zombie Team was here playing their deadly games long before most people here even dreamed about a zombie browser game... this is one of those groups that were forgotten by time, but that did a lot for the game during their generation. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 22:23, 22 January 2007 (UTC)


#'''yes''' - If you havent heard about them, its because they are historical. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 22:23, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
====Yes====
#'''no''' - ...or, more likely, its because they did nothing of importance or historical significance. --[[User:Grim s|Grim s]]-<sup>[[Moderation|Mod]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 01:53, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
# '''Yes''' Obviously. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:40, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
#'''no''' Surprisingly, as Grim --[[User:Agent White|Agent White]]<sup> [[Project Welcome|W!]][[Sacred Ground Policy|SGP]][[CMS-Meta]]•[[CMS]]</sup> 03:14, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
# '''Yes''' but maybe have subcategories for the different cities. -[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 17:42, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - Good lord, thats a name I haven't heard since I was a fledgling [[Syringe|Zombie Jabber]] running around [[Mockridge Heights]]. They must have petered out soon after I started playing. --[[User:MorthBabid|MorthBabid]] 23:27, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
#:If there was more than one, then yes. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:55, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - I have been playing UD longer than in the wiki, and I know of these guys. Full of character, they were. --{{User:Dux Ducis/sig}} 02:20, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
#::I see. Cross that bridge when you have more than one in Borehamwood/Monroeville?-[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 18:00, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' - I just never heard of them and I'm amazed. I knew about every harman and zombie group at the time the group was around and I never heard of them. Not once. --[[User:Saromu|Sir Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[ The Caiger Resistance Front|CRF]] [[DORIS]] [[Witch Burners|Hunt!]]</sup> 05:07, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
#:It's been suggested in the past, pretty sure it was rejected because both those categories would be pretty much empty. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 14:44, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' - I have not seen or heard of any impact from this group. --{{User:Flogging Molly/Sig}}
#I could vouch for this. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 17:44, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' - I haven't seen them or heard of them, and if they were historical I would have. --{{User:Cap'n Silly/Sig}} 03:14, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
# Who?--{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 17:46, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' - --{{User:Max Grivas/sig}} 18:55, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
#:You placed your vote in the wrong space >:P --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|12px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|12px]]</span> [[User_Talk:MisterGame|<span style= "color: black; background-color: white">'''''Talk''''']]</span> 17:51, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' - [[User:Lemonhead7t7|Lemonhead7t7]] 00:30, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
#:: I do know who they are, but Ross said he was looking foreward to who comments :P --{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 19:16, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - Have missed Borehamwood, but even I have heard of some of their accomplishments before. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 17:52, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
#'''Aye''' - Who? Usually when I say who I go "Nay" but not here. Their accomplishments are quite impressive. I didn't play in Borehamwood, so I can't blame the group for not being known to me. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|12px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|12px]]</span> [[User_Talk:MisterGame|<span style= "color: black; background-color: white">'''''Talk''''']]</span> 18:06, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - may as well. <small>BTW Dermot's wasn't Borehamwood's only celeb [[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1387595]]</small> --{{User:Lady Clitoria/Sig}} 19:15, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
#What you mean it isn't historical yet? Something died inside me when I didn't get to kill Dermot--which feels well funny when you're already very dead. Make it so. And add the Monroeville Many, while you're at it. --{{User:Hashk/sig}} 19:34, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
#They were a seriously important group - I've heard alot about them, and I did very little in Borehamwood.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 20:21, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
#'''yes''' but Zombie Davina does not approve of anyone else eating Dermot! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 21:21, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - It's a bit of a case of a big fish in a small pond type of situation, as I see it. They might not have been anything special had they been in Malton, but in B-wood, they stood out from what I've heard, and really shaped and defined that city. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:26, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - BSLS are one of the few non-Malton groups to have had a significant impact on the wider game, and are responsible for one of the game's few truly iconic characters, too. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 21:53, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' as Thad. I didn't get into borehamwood, but those are impressive accomplishments. (maybe not so if they were in malton, but they weren't) --<span style="background:black; font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Thanatologist|<span style="color:gold">†hana†ologis†</span>]] [[User talk:Thanatologist|<span style="color:gold">(talk)</span>]]</span> 02:33, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' even if I didn't grab Dermot's sig when I had the chance.--{{User:ZIPO/sig}} 05:48, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
#Pretty much as Aich. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 14:27, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' they played with a straight bat --[[User:C Whitty|C Whitty]] 15:09, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' -- <small>[[User:Rorybob| <span style="color: #FF9933">Rahrah</span>]] [[Malton_Manhunt/Axe_Hack's_Manhunt_3|<span style="color: #FF9933">is pumped that he's going to lose another Manhunt.</span>]] </small> 15:43, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
#: welcome back Rorybob!--{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 18:31, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
#[[User:Whitehouse]] 21:55, 29 January 2011 (UTC)


===[[The Ridleybank Revivification Front]]===
====No====
Oh, as dumb as it may have sounded a lot of people, including myself, fell for this. We were fooled despite our better judgement knowing it was fake. Petro made this for April Fool's last year and we fell for it because Honest Petro would never pull a fast one on us. So this was a semi-big thing for harmanz who thought it was real. ----[[User:Saromu|Sir Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[ The Caiger Resistance Front|CRF]] [[ DORIS]] [[Witch Burners|Hunt!]]</sup> 14:51, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
#'''Meh''' - Being the first group in the city, if true, would be worthy if there were some separate category for borehamwood, but the rest looks like padding the resume - finding a bug, doing survivor things like working with other groups and repairing buildings, getting killed when zombies found the last member, etc. This isn't to diminish the fun they had playing or the significance of the group in their own context, mainly I just can't get excited enough about a borehamwood group to put them on par with the historical entries from the main game.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 18:24, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
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#ah'''NO''' - it pains me to agree with giles.----[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">sexualharrison</span>]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] ¯\([[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]])/¯ 02:37, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - as above. --[[User:Saromu|Sir Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[ The Caiger Resistance Front|CRF]] [[ DORIS]] [[Witch Burners|Hunt!]]</sup> 14:51, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
#:Love you too sexy ;) --{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 14:29, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - for a second, some zombies thought it was real too. >_> --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 16:17, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
#'''Who?''' - As Giles. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 18:28, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
#<s>'''Yes''' - so long as the fact that it was a joke remains clear. So long as it isn't planned to occur again. Because things like that apparently aren't historical. --{{User:Darth Sensitive/Sig}} 16:37, 21 January 2007 (UTC)</s>
#'''No''' - Borehamwood, snorehamwood. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 22:06, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
#:'''No''' - On consideration of votes below - was never a real group. Protect it as a RRF subpage after moving it, and link it from the April Fools page, but not an HG. --{{User:Darth Sensitive/Sig}} 22:43, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
#'''Nope''' --[[User:Efighter|Efighter]] 13:58, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Don't get me wrong. The page is worth saving, but as a historical group? It's a short lasting joke, a second like Hagnat put it, and it's impact on the way the game is played or otherwise contributed to the history of Malton should be elaborated. --[[User:Bonefiver|Bonefiver]] 08:05, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
#'''No''' As Giles and Papa [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 16:25, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Not an Historical Group, not even an actual group, but a prank. It should be saved as a subpage of the [[Ridleybank Resistance Front]] and attain immortality when said group goes inactive, if such thing ever happens at all. --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 08:23, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
#'''No''' Having a historical group from Borehamwood would be like giving an Emmy to someone in Joanie Loves Chachi. Spinoffs hardly ever work. Unless its Golden Girls, which this is not.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 17:03, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' - It deserves to be saved, but not in this way. It was never a real group. --[[User:Reaper with no name|Reaper with no name]] <sup>[[TJ|TJ!]]</sup> 21:00, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
#'''No''' fuck no [[User:Spud|Spud]] 01:50, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Speedy delete--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 21:48, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
#'''No''' absolutely not! --[[User:Akbar|Akbar]] 04:13, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' - No impact on the game. An april fools joke. Needs preserving though. --[[User:Grim s|Grim s]]-<sup>[[Moderation|Mod]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 01:55, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
#'''No''' Borehamwood, snorehamwood. I also hear password sharing, zerging and other asshattery accusations all the time regarding the group. Also where is my sig button
#'''No''' As above, keep the page, just not historical--[[User:Agent White|Agent White]]<sup> [[Project Welcome|W!]]•[[Sacred Ground Policy|SGP]]•[[CMS-Meta]]•[[CMS]]</sup> 03:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
#:There was no sig button, so I didnt use it so goi shuffle paper somewhere else.--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 00:50, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' - A cute wiki-event that'll probably pop up in different veins, but not really in the spirt of being "historical". --[[User:MorthBabid|MorthBabid]] 23:30, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
#::no thanks, I like fixing problems with people who can't read rules -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 03:20, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - Then we can come up with a policy to historically save wiki groups and this can go in it... Would that even work? --[[User:Marie|''Marie'']]<sup>''[[The Grove|The Grove]][[The Grove/Tour of Malton|on Tour]]''</sup> 17:07, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
#::::Whatever makes you feel important--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 20:01, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' - what matt and grim said.--[[User:Sexualharrison|Sexualharrison]] <sup>[[Malton Rangers]]</sup> [[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 15px]] <sup> [[Mossad]]</sup> 19:53, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
#:::The zerging accusations are complete rubbish. As is standard practice I'm more than willing to give Anime and the resenitised boys my Beerhah.Com password so they can read through the groups messages and private forum to confirm this. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:51, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' - It was a parody/April fools joke. Not a real group. --{{User:Dux Ducis/sig}} 02:22, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
#::::Fair enough, I still vote No though.--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 20:01, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' - As above, not an actual group, and therefore should be ineligible. Again, as above, this doesn't mean I'm not for keeping the page around. --[[User:Specialist290|Specialist290]] 21:46, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
#:::::Fair Enough. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:02, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' - {{User:Flogging Molly/Sig}}02:06, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
#::::::heh, I found it amusing to password share to prove that there wasn't password sharing.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 20:15, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' - archive as sub-page of [[RRF]].--[[User:Jorm|Jorm]] 10:38, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
#:::::::There's no rule about sharing passwords on forums is there? Is there? (There might be?) --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:24, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Doesn't even qualify, as it was technically just the RRF playing shenanigans. Make it a subpage. –[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] <sup>[[Special:Listusers/sysop|M]]•[[User talk:Xoid|T]]•<span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.th7.net F]</span>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 10:45, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
#'''No''' Helluva absolutely fuck not no --{{User:Skoll/sig}} 23:08, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' - As above, it's a keeper but not a HG. -- {{User:Atticus Rex/Sig}} 01:08, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
#'''No''' - bb3 and escape not historical but this? -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 00:10, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''No''' - It's not a group. [[User:Lemonhead7t7|Lemonhead7t7]] 00:34, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
#'''No''' You start your proposal with 'You probably have no idea who they were. It's unsurprising.' So surely it should be a No for a historical group vote? [[User:Louis Vernon|Louis Vernon]] 12:04, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
===[[BME]]===
Drama whoring, zerging, vandalism, bad faith edits… is there any low they wouldn't sink to? I think not. They are historical ''purely'' because they are notorious for their misdeeds. –[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] <sup>[[Special:Listusers/sysop|M]]•[[User talk:Xoid|T]]•<span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.th7.net F]</span>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 04:51, 20 December 2006 (UTC)


#'''Yes''' - As stated above. –[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 04:51, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
With 18 for and 13 against, BSLS has failed this time. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 20:28, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - After reading Cyberbob's vote, vote changed to yes. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 09:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<s>'''No''' - Meh, they didn't really create a impact on the game IMHO. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 09:17, 20 December 2006 (UTC)</s>
#'''Yes''' - You're absolutely right, Pillsy. The impact the BME had is entirely on the metagame - yet that impact was large enough to warrant historical status IMHO. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 09:22, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - They weren't famous, they were '''in'''famous.--{{User:Gage/sig}} 09:40, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - Mall Defence is difficult now, way too difficult... --[[User:Marie|''Marie'']]<sup>''[[The Grove]]''</sup> 13:07, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - And as a [[Yagoton]] "citizen"? I apologize. :) --[[User:MorthBabid|MorthBabid]] 20:36, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - It was a tiny group of petty zergers, and the only thing of any note that resulted from them was a load of drama when they were called on it. No, i dont feel like rewarding cheaters with the right to feel good and important because of their cheating. --[[User:Grim s|Grim s]]-<sup>[[Moderation|Mod]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 20:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - A group should be put on there for in-game achievements primarily. If they get on that list because of (and i quote) "Drama whoring, zerging, vandalism, bad faith edits", it should be clearly stated on their page. Otherwise, someone who will read their page will think they were a great group who had a huge impact on the game.--[[User:Denzel Washington|Denzel Washington]] 21:11, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
#:Which is exactly what will happen. You know the NPOV statement you tried to place on their page but never could because they're a bunch of three year olds? Now's your chance. –[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] <sup>[[Special:Listusers/sysop|M]]•[[User talk:Xoid|T]]•<span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.th7.net F]</span>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 10:10, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' -- Sorry, never heard of them. -- [[User:Whitehouse|Whitehouse]] 22:03, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - although they were more hysterical, than historical -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[User:Boxy/Locations|L]] [[PA Posse|PA]] [[Dead Animals|DA]]</sup> 23:56, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Reward in-game impact here, not whatever you think it's funny. Please. --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 04:03, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Why, again, are we giving respect to a bunch of vandals by enshrining them forever in history? Let them be forgotten as worthless trash. --[[User:Ivan Romanov|Ivan Romanov]] 05:06, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
#:Because an NPOV statement will have to be left on their page once(if) historical status is achieved. Even the most NPOV statement on the planet couldn't gloss over their misdeeds. –[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] <sup>[[Special:Listusers/sysop|M]]•[[User talk:Xoid|T]]•<span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.th7.net F]</span>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 10:10, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Never heard of them. Therefore, I see no reason to glorify them --[[User:Eric Youngblood]] 09:54, 21 December 2006
#'''No''' - Self proclaimed cheaters/zergers should not be immortalized. [[User:SniffleNose|SniffleNose]] 16:22, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - Bowel Movement Evacuation, YES! --[[User:The Envoy|The Envoy]] 04:26, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Getting to force an NPOV statement on there page isn't good enough for me. They didn't do much worth remembering. Crit 12 will take care of them some day. --{{User:Darth Sensitive/Sig}} 13:45, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Who? --[[User:Funt Solo|Funt Solo]] [[Image:Scotland flag.JPG|20px]] 17:22, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - Remember Hitler? He'll never be forgotton for the terrible things he did (say, killing 6,000,000 Jews) This isn't as bad but it's worth remembering to laugh at them. --[[User:Whap|Whap]] 08:58, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - Did i voted for this already ? Dont remember. But the BME page must be kept.--{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 23:02, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - And rename it to "The biggest bag of bullshit evar".--{{User:Thari/sig}} 23:11, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' --{{User:boo/Sig}} 06:13, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - I have never heard of this group. --{{User:Flogging Molly/Sig}} 03:56, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - No one mourns the wicked.  [[User:TorecShadecrow|Torec]] <sub>[[User Talk:TorecShadecrow|T]]-[[Cybele's Children|CC]]</sub> 04:10, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Yet another bunch of attention-starved teenagers. Never heard of them and happy about it. [[User:Bluetigers|Bluetigers]] 15:46, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' They were good in a bad way.[[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 03:47, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' This group will be infamous in Malton throughout the annals of time.. The reason is irrelevant. The fact is, they were here, and they made a stir. Remember them hwoever you like, but above all, remember them. --[[User:Aiden Hodder|Aiden H]] <sup>[[The 4-H|4H]]</sup> 05:52, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''Fuck No''' - Amazing has more friends than this group has members.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 04:14, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - Oh, and by the way we need an Over-barricading Pricks template.!? --{{User:Max Grivas/sig}} 09:20, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - Nevar Forget. --[[User:Karloth vois|The Supreme Court]] <sup>[[RR]]</sup> 23:57, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' --[[User:Labine50|Labine50]] <sup>'''[[Malton Hospitals Group|MH]]'''</sup><nowiki>|</nowiki><sup>'''[[MEMS|ME]]'''</sup><nowiki>|</nowiki><sup>'''[[User:Labine50/Power For The People|P]]'''</sup> 00:30, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - A thousand times yes. Build a grand monument. So that we may never tread the same dark paths we once treaded. -[[User:Banana Bear4|That&#39;s Why I did your Wife]] 19:27, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No'''--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 23:14, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''yes''' [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 21:10, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
#:Tally= '''17''' No '''16''' Yes [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[DHPD]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 23:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
#:Nomination failed. --[[User:Grim s|Grim s]]-<sup>[[Moderation|Mod]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 07:30, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


===[[The Bakers Of The Apocalypse]]===
===[[The Grove]]===
The Bakers did a lot of work down in Buttonville helping make it safe for other survivors. They also helped set up the Anti Smurf Brigade, a collalition of several survivor groups in the South West. As their closest allies, The Randoms would like to nominate this group to be added to the Historical Groups Page. -- [[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheeseman]] <sup>[[Project Welcome|W!]][[The Anti-Smurf Brigade|ASB]][[User_Talk:Krazy Monkey|Talk]]</sup> 18:47, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
The Grove formed out of a loose coalition in Judgewood in the early months of the game's existence. Seeing the need for a combined effort in an area lean on resources, the coalition became The Grove, named for their headquarters, the Brentnal Grove PD. Active in defending nearby Caiger Mall in many of the early seiges, they were a fixture in the NW corner until disbanding in 2009. In addition to their dedicated defence of Judgewood, the group made periodic tours out of their home base, lending a hand in a number of mall seiges. This group fought long and hard in this vulnerable corner, and as a result were one of the first groups to encounter Extinction in their early attempts to dominate the NW, and kept tbeir headquarters a safe haven for survivors.^^^^


#'''Yes''' - my nomination, I vote yes. -- [[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheeseman]] <sup>[[Project Welcome|W!]][[The Anti-Smurf Brigade|ASB]][[User_Talk:Krazy Monkey|Talk]]</sup> 19:53, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
====Yes====
#'''Yes''' - --[[User:Dudemeister|Dudemeister]] 19:07, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
#Yes. This group protected Judgewood long and well. Anyone who spent any appreciable time in Judgewood would know this. [[User:Rib15|Rib15]] 03:59, 12 October 2010 (BST) - Rib15
#'''Yes''' - --[[User:Shinosa|Shinosa]] 19:08, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
#Absolutely. The Grove are the stuff of legends in these parts. Well, maybe not legends, but they're still very notable around here. {{User:Chief Seagull/Sig}} 09:20, 12 October 2010 (BST)
#'''yes'''- --[[User:GarretThe Thief|Sharline Jade]]
#Yeah, maybe. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:27, 12 October 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes'''- --[[User:Pvt De|Pvt De]] <sup>[[The Anti-Smurf Brigade|ASB]][[M.S.L.F]]</sup> 22:08, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
#You [[The_Grove#A_Brief.28ish.29_History|talked me into it]].  True I'd never heard of them, but they apparently hit 28th on the stat page at one time and they look and feel like one of those old school groups that formed organically in gameNice little slice of UD history.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 11:51, 12 October 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - [[User:Attentater|Attentater]] 23:54, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
#Borderline, but as a long-time resident of Judgewood, sure. [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 16:06, 12 October 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Small area or not, they made a big impact on this area. Definitely historical. --[[User:Ruan|Ruan]] 01:09, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - A great group in the Northwest of Malton, they deserve to be remembered for their efforts in and around Judgewood, as well as everything they did while on tour around the city. A classy survivor group. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:00, 12 October 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - I have no idea who these guys are; Buttonville certainly isn't a suburb of note, yadda yadda yadda.--[[User:Jorm|Jorm]] 22:30, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
#The page looked suspect. However, they did have some grounds to boast. I'm going to say yes. --[[User:Keepster33|keepster33]] 00:58, 13 October 2010 (BST)
#:'''Re''' - They made a very big impact on the suburb and were very well known to the groups in the area. -- [[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheeseman]] <sup>[[Project Welcome|W!]][[The Anti-Smurf Brigade|ASB]][[User_Talk:Krazy Monkey|Talk]]</sup> 23:55, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''weak yes''' i remember fighting extinstinktion and the dead with these chaps. they were small and kept to themselves but a good group none the less. and yes i remember what color my shit was yesterday.----[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">sexualharrison</span>]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] ¯\([[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]])/¯ 17:03, 13 October 2010 (BST)
#::Yes, but we're talking about ''Buttonville''A suburb with a population of a few hundred a best.  A suburb whose mall '''I took personally''' using just the Barhah Brigade and two other RRF strike teamsAnyone could have a big impact on that suburb merely by farting under the covers.--[[User:Jorm|Jorm]] 00:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''Super Weak Yes''' - I have never heard of [[The Grove]], but I haven't been up to the NW corner for anything either. Certainly sounds like a group worthy of the historical section on the [[Judgewood]] suburb page, but I leave it to others to make a case for them being historical beyond that. --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 07:20, 14 October 2010 (BST)
#'''No way''' - {{User:Gage/sig}} 11:17, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
# Never knew them personally but they seem like they were a good bunch. {{User:Weeks/Sig}} 01:58, 17 October 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - Never heard of them. --[[User:Absolution|Absolution]] 11:21, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
#Considering there are no real criteria for historical eligibility other than being disbanded, I'm going to throw in on the ''Yes'' side due to sheer longevity (~5 years is pretty impressive) and the fact that I remember bumping into these guys with my survivor. Good luck with the nom, and sorry to see yet another small local group closing down. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 03:11, 26 October 2010 (BST)
#'''Nadda''' - I refuse to believe they ever existed.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 11:29, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - They were actually pretty active when I first started UD in south central Malton. And they were always respected by all the locals. --{{User:Max Grivas/sig}} 12:49, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - I agree with all of the other 'No's, they weren't that important. (and I led them for most of their existance :r ) --[[User:Aco|Aco]]11:53, 10 December 2006 (EST)
#'''No''' - Where is Buttonville again? <font face="Verdana">-- [[Image:TexasFlag.gif|20px]] [[User:Bubbadick|Bubba]]<sup>[[User_Talk:Bubbadick|T]]</sup></Font> 02:15, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Who? –[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] <sup>[[Special:Listusers/sysop|M]]•[[User talk:Xoid|T]]•<span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.th7.net F]</span>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 13:19, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Never heard of them. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 13:24, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Thwart the [[The Anti-Smurf Brigade|ASB]] vote rush. -- [[User:Alan Watson|∀lan Watson]] <sup>[[User_talk:Alan_Watson|T]]·[[Ridleybank Resistance Front|R]][[The Vengeance Committee|V]][[Philosophe Knights|P]]</sup> 03:23, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Who are they? Who are they? Where did you find them? --[[User:Marie|''Marie'']]<sup>''[[The Grove]]''</sup> 15:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' -I've only heard of them because they shared our radio frequency (which they didn't use.)[[User:Anachronos666|Anachronos]] 15:39, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No'''- There was a group called Bakers of the Apcoalpyse? [[User:Axe27|Axe27]] 15:40, 16 December 2006 (PST)
#'''No'''-Who? --[[User:Dickholeguy|Dickhole Bonaparte]] <sub>Leader, [[Malton Rangers]]</sub> 05:48, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Never heard of 'em. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 05:50, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - i have heard of them, but thats about it. i dont actualy remember them doing anything. -[[User:Bullgod|Bullgod]] 18:19, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Hadnt heard of you until i read this. --[[User:Grim s|Grim s]]-<sup>[[Moderation|Mod]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 13:54, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - [[Amanofpower|Amanofpower]] <sup>[[CFT]]</sup> <sup>[[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup> 17:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Never heard of them.--[[User:J Muller|J Muller]] 06:57, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' -- I have never heard of them. -- [[User:Whitehouse|Whitehouse]] 22:02, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Regional impact does not a historical group make. --{{User:Darth Sensitive/Sig}} 13:45, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - who? --[[User:Funt Solo|Funt Solo]] [[Image:Scotland flag.JPG|20px]] 17:27, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
#''' 'fraid not''' - I would but since they only operated in 1 'burb then give them a lengthy article on the Suburb's page. They aren't well know enough. --[[User:Whap|Whap]] 09:01, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
#:{{s|'''No'''}} - {{USer:Flogging Molly/Sig}} 22:45, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
#::Vote after deadline struck. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 09:52, 28 December 2006 (UTC)


*'''Voting Closed''' - 23rd December 2006
====No====
*'''Yes''' - 8
#I say, who are you? --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 03:53, 12 October 2010 (BST)
*'''No''' - 22
#This is beyond a joke. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 03:54, 12 October 2010 (BST)
*'''Verdict''' - Rejected. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 09:52, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
#I've heard of you, but I don't think you're at all notable.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 08:12, 12 October 2010 (BST)
# -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 12:06, 12 October 2010 (BST)
#:'''Move to strike.''' According to the rules, there must be a yes or a no vote. This post has neither. How do you know if this isn't an incorrectly placed Yes? [[User:Rib15|Rib15]] 16:25, 21 October 2010 (BST)
#::You're being petty (seriously...I'm tempted to arbitrarily renounce my Yes vote after seeing everything you've said here), and no, the rules do not say that. According to the voting rules (which are to the side), the only valid voting ''sections'' are Yes and No. Placing your vote in one of them is sufficient to vote that way (thus satisfying point #3 of the policy at the top of the page). {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:18, 21 October 2010 (BST)
#::Read the voting rules above and don't you dare touch my vote. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 03:24, 26 October 2010 (BST)
#Is this Shit Nominations Month or something? --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 15:23, 12 October 2010 (BST)
#:<s>Anyone from the Northwest should have been aware of them and their influence in the area. They're just one of those groups that had a decently large impact in the areas they helped out, and had lots of cool people with them. That said, last I checked, they don't meet #6 above (i.e. they haven't been disbanded for at least 4 months). Can someone from The Grove confirm that they have indeed been inactive for 4 months already? I've only seen their former group members start joining new groups as of a week or two ago, so I was under the impression that was when they had disbanded (but since they were on tour for so long before that, I may have just missed it). If someone can confirm it for me, I'll switch my vote to a Yes. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 19:29, 12 October 2010 (BST)</s>
#:<s>I don't know. This is a very weak no. Only on the grounds that this seems like a trenchcoater group. If anyone can confirm or deny this please do so.</s> --[[User:Keepster33|keepster33]] 20:35, 12 October 2010 (BST)
#::Hi, thanks for the questions. Aichon: Bilko disbanded the group on their forums in August of 2009. He said: "As the last remaining Elder in game I guess it's up to me to lock up the place. I wish all the people I've met in game good luck and a happy life. Thanks for the fun. Darryl (Bilko). '''Keepster33''': No trenchcoating here. Just defending Judgewood against often overwhelming odds and a long tour of Malton in 2007 helping out far and wide. I was in the group and have just got back on after an overlong absence and found the place shut down. They were good people and deserve to be remembered. The USAI and Cannonball Crew were among their allies. Hope this helps.[[User:Rib15|Rib15]] 21:17, 12 October 2010 (BST)
#No, you've got to be kidding.-[[User:Fallout11|Fallout11]] 21:30, 12 October 2010 (BST)
#'''Who?''' - Never expanded very far from their home base, never had many members, never did anything worth remembering. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 00:37, 13 October 2010 (BST)
#:Please reconsider your vote. Lots of groups, like the Dribbling Beavers, dedicate themselves to defending a single suburb. The Grove was also involved in the early seiges of Caiger Mall, which are almost universally considered classics. Also, read the summary of the group's 2007 tour of Malton. [[User:Rib15|Rib15]] 16:19, 21 October 2010 (BST)
#::1.) They aren't insignificant because they focused on one suburb, they're insignificant because they never got it safe enough that they could move farther out (like the RRF does in [[Greater Ridleybank]]), because they were never powerful enough to have that much of an effect. 2.) Lots of groups attend sieges. [[Extremely Vengeful and Irksome Laymen|EVIL]] went to [[Escape (event)|escape]], and they aren't historical. 3.) Going on a tour is not historical. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 17:10, 21 October 2010 (BST)
#'''Who?''' - --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 23:10, 13 October 2010 (BST)
# An old group is not always a historical one.--{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 17:41, 14 October 2010 (BST)
#:If you carry that reasoning forward, then most museums should throw out large portions of their collections. After all, they're only old kitchen items...I see that FES has historical status. They defended only a single BUILDING! <small>—The preceding [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Rib15|Rib15]] ([[User talk:Rib15|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Rib15|contribs]]) at an <span class="stealthexternallink">[{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|action=history}} unknown time]</span>.</small>
#Is this a joke? --[[User:Radio|Radio]] 03:31, 17 October 2010 (BST)
#You glance at a man with black rimmed glasses. Before you ask him for approval, he says '''''"No."''''' --[[User:Officer Mead Sheaffer|Noted Literature critic, Mead Sheaffer.]] 05:20, 17 October 2010 (BST)
#...Hasn't Judgewood been predominantly ruined until fairly recently? My alt used to run through there last year and never iced one of these fellas. {{User:Criminally Insane/supastampbiatch}} 05:24, 20 October 2010 (BST)
#:Of course you didn't see them. They're disbanded. That's why they're being considered for historical status.And I just looked: Brentnal Grove PD is operating just fine. The Grove maintained that as a stronghold and the tradition continues.[[User:Rib15|Rib15]] 16:19, 21 October 2010 (BST)
#:{{s| '''Pork Chop Sandwiches''' Although this vote has neither a yes or a no (and may even theoretically be misplaced), the world may never know. -- [[User:Shatari|Shatari]] 04:10, 26 October 2010 (BST)}}<small>Voting had closed</small>
#:{{s|NO, so sayeth the Blob! --[[User:Dr summeroff|Dr summeroff]] 19:15, 26 October 2010 (BST)}}<small>Voting had closed</small>


===[[IZONE]]===
With 11 For and 12 Against, The Grove has '''failed''' to achieve historical group status at this time. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:02, 26 October 2010 (BST)
Recently speedy deleted and apparently no more, this religous cult was one of the few New-Age religous [[death cult]]s to exit in early Malton. Many survivors from UD's early days across no doubt remember the chilling proclomations of "IZONE is here to free you" moments before a shotgun-based massacre would occur. Akin to the [[Church of New Eden]], this group represented one of the early bits of New-age zombie based [[Religion in Malton|religion in Malton]]. It's akin to the "cult of the bomb" in various apocolyptic movies. --[[User:MorthBabid|MorthBabid]] 19:55, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' For stated reasons above, and the fact that I'm a big nerd for this stuff. :) --[[User:MorthBabid|MorthBabid]] 00:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' Two cults in less than a week?  While IMHO I don't see why we're deleting any groups, other than perhaps to avoid their vandalism or misuse as misinformation or "ridiculous" props. However, if every page whose maintenance lapses can't be nominally "historical", I think it would be much more productive in this instance to flesh out this group's entry on [[Religion in Malton|Religion in Malton]] and let that serve as testimony, rather than give the defunct page some sort of protective status.  Unless of course MorthBabid's claim is true the old timers of the game still have chilling memories of this cult.--[[User:The Envoy|The Envoy]]03:25, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
#::The problem is that nobody seems to have done that and many of the entries on [[Religion in Malton|Religion in Malton]] are now lost for all time.  I would have liked to read about [[The Ecclesiarchy Militant]], [[The Holy Church of Malton]], [[Head JAM Dojo|Head JAM Dojo]], [[Lance of Rehel] and the others on that page but they are all gone now.  Seems a shame. <font face="Verdana">-- [[Image:TexasFlag.gif|20px]] [[User:Bubbadick|Bubba]]<sup>[[User_Talk:Bubbadick|T]]</sup></Font> 09:05, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
#:::The Ecclesiarchy Militant is just one of numerous WH40K based groups. Apart from being one of those groups, they're completely non-notable. –[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] <sup>[[Special:Listusers/sysop|M]]•[[User talk:Xoid|T]]•<span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.th7.net F]</span>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 08:06, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
#:Mainly has to do with the hundreds of them. Most of the pages were small 1-2 person groups that last a day at the outside and their page stayed around for a year. If those "groups" bothered to nominate their pages for speedy deletion, criterion 12 would never have been written. There are almost innumerable cookie-cutter 'military themed' groups that lasted less than a week or two floating around here as well; all of which have horribly formatted, nearly empty pages and are often misleading to newbies. –[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] <sup>[[Special:Listusers/sysop|M]]•[[User talk:Xoid|T]]•<span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.th7.net F]</span>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 14:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' If they got SD'd and nobody moved to stop it, then they don't qualify [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 18:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
#:Speedy deletions around here are ''fast''. Sometimes within five minutes. We do ''not'' have a user base the size of Wikipedia and even they have had problems of this nature when there's been as much as ''five hours''. If you genuinely think they are non-notable, fine, but using that as your criterion for non-notability easily allows history to be destroyed. –[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] <sup>[[Special:Listusers/sysop|M]]•[[User talk:Xoid|T]]•<span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.th7.net F]</span>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 14:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Sorry, never heard of them and never seen long time players speak of them. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 14:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - i liked those guys, they were in my opinion, as biassed as it may be, the perfect human group. -[[User:Bullgod|Bullgod]] 00:05, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - You know I have never heard of them either because I wasn't here, but the group concept is novel and I like the page.  Its worth keeping for posterity. <font face="Verdana">-- [[Image:TexasFlag.gif|20px]] [[User:Bubbadick|Bubba]]<sup>[[User_Talk:Bubbadick|T]]</sup></Font> 08:48, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Never heard of em--{{User:Gage/sig}} 08:51, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - I've heard of them, and fought with them, but they never had a real effect on pretty much anything. --[[User:YuriRuler90|YuriRuler90]] 13:06, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Never encountered them in game, never heard of their exploits. If they ever existed at all, they didnt even make a ripple. --[[User:Grim s|Grim s]]-<sup>[[Moderation|Mod]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 02:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - only because they were a pain in Yagoton early in the game.  One of the first groups to target revivers in Yagoton. --[[User:Novelty|Nov]] <small><sup>[[Project Welcome|W!]], [[Moderation|M]], [[User_talk:Novelty|T]]</sup></small> 16:35, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - {{User:Max Grivas/sig}} 12:56, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
#{{Strike|27 Yes, although they were PKers. Hitler was kown for mas genocide as well}}
#:'''Note''': Unsigned vote struck. –[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] <sup>[[Special:Listusers/sysop|M]]•[[User talk:Xoid|T]]•<span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.th7.net F]</span>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 08:06, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
#{{s|'''Yes''' - Ah, I remember working with these guys back in the day.  Fun times.  Completely depopulated the main NT building in Yagoton.}} - [[User:CthulhuFhtagn|CthulhuFhtagn]] 10:44, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
*Dates after deadline stuck. (Deadline was 14/12/06). {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 13:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)


*'''Voting Closed''' - 14th December 2006
===[[The_Penny_Heights_OGs|The Penny Heights OGs]]===
*'''Yes''' - 4
====Yes====
*'''No''' - 7
:{{s|1=they were loud on the old Proboards Forums way back in 2005. Several historical pages link to them. [[User:Zombeater|Zombeater]]}}
*'''Verdict''' - Rejected, did no reach minimum 15 votes.
::No timestamp vote struck. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 20:13, 6 October 2010 (BST)


{{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 13:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
#Not quite the level of impact of a group like DARIS but unique enough in my mind during the early stages of UD that they shouldn't be left to rot in the dust. Strike this. -[[User:MHSstaff|MHSstaff]] 20:26, 6 October 2010 (BST)
#Fine, here we go again, timestaped: they were loud on the old Proboards Forums way back in 2005. Several historical pages link to them. [[User:Zombeater|Zombeater]] 20:28, 6 October 2010 (BST)
#:I fixed your entry so it doesn't mess up the counting. Not that the "Yes" section will need a lot of counting.-[[User:MHSstaff|MHSstaff]] 20:29, 6 October 2010 (BST)
#:Two links out of the fifteen links are historical, but regardless, having links on the pages of historical groups/coalitions does not make a group historical. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 06:30, 7 October 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes, but the page needs to be expanded''' - The Penny Heights OGs were one of the first PKer groups to step forward and say: "Hey, we're a PKer group.", which at that time, was not common. Most groups of that time were still pretending to be pro-survivor, so they enjoy the plausible deniability of being a "survivor group", but could get away with PKing random people. Unfortunately, it seems that their low numbers, a schism in the group (note the leadership change), and the open declaration of being a PKer group, [[Talk:The_Penny_Heights_OGs|hastened their demise]]. Despite being a small group, you can see that they [[Talk:Suburb/archives0#Colours|yellowed Penny Heights]], [[Penny_Heights/News_Archive#2005|took over two hospitals]], and even [[UTF|took a stand]] with [[DARIS]] against the [[Council_of_Leaders_(original)|CoL]]. Also, if you [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=The_Penny_Heights_OGs&action=history look at the history for the page], [[User:Max Grivas|Max Grivas]] was advocating that they be nominated for Historical Groups back in 2007. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:09, 19 October 2010 (BST)


===[[The Gray]]===
====No====
The Gray started out as a group of zombie players from Spacebattles.com forums, somewhere around November/December 2005. The first targets ever were Ridleybank and Roachtown. At the top of our numbers we we're feared by many and we were the other group which made Mall Tour '06 possible. The group disbanded slowly as the Mall Tour was drawing closer and closer to Caiger Mall, and when Caiger was finally reached, we stayed there, two revivals were attempted with limited success. We never fully spilled over to another group tho. We just went on with our own bussiness. Our shout Zarbrahz! doesnt really need explanation either. The group is currently... more or less dead. We were one of the better testaments of close organisation as our "horde" sizes rarely we're over 10 zombies. We arent zombie ninja's for nothing. Or we were. - [[User:Rotticus|Rotticus]] 21:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
#Never heard of 'em, and they have no real achievements. Moving on... --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 20:04, 6 October 2010 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - These fellows were quite the memorable nucance. I thought they were absorbed into [[The Shining Ones]], but apparently not. --[[User:MorthBabid|MorthBabid]] 00:23, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
#What a joke. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 20:04, 6 October 2010 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - as a former member and leader, yes. I started as one of the Gray. Ah, the good ole days of zombie fun. --[[User:Rotticus|Rotticus]] 00:33, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
#I've never heard of them, and If AH hasn't either, they probably weren't that notable.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 20:11, 6 October 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Just the mention of The Gray used to send the Crossman Defense Force into a panic. Of course they also have the Mall Tour and everything else under their belts, but that alone was enough for me. -- [[User:Alan Watson|∀lan Watson]] <sup>[[User_talk:Alan_Watson|T]]·[[Ridleybank Resistance Front|R]][[The Vengeance Committee|V]][[Philosophe Knights|P]]</sup> 01:46, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
#It's enough that the [[United Territories Federation]] is historical. Plus Who? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:18, 6 October 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - {{User:Gage/sig}} 07:56, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
#No thanks. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 20:33, 6 October 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 14:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
# Not heard if them, + they are small--{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 20:46, 6 October 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - One of the few groups to have been able to enter Caiger Mall, back when survivor's games were at their peak. Considering they were outnumbered more than 20-1, that's an impressive feat. –[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] <sup>[[Special:Listusers/sysop|M]]•[[User talk:Xoid|T]]•<span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.th7.net F]</span>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 14:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
#Who. The. Fuck? --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 21:38, 6 October 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - -[[User:Bullgod|Bullgod]] 23:55, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
#To quote the Bard, "Who?" {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:12, 6 October 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' -- ^ Xoid has a point. --[[User:Apex|Apex]] 11:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
#I've had characters in PH for years, and I've never once heard a mention of this group. [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 22:35, 6 October 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - My group has a policy to try and preserve what ever possible of Maltons history, after all if it isn't on the wiki, it hasn't happened. --[[User:Obeah-Man|Obeah-Man]] 14:48, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
# -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 22:46, 6 October 2010 (BST)
#:Yeah, but a lot of stuff that is on the wiki hasn't happened either.  Keep that in mind before making you force your group into idiocy via bad policy articulation.--[[User:The Envoy|The Envoy]] 14:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
# It appears that during their time in UD a mere 5 wiki users ever had cause to comment on their talk page, and then it was only to remark that the group didn't appear to exist.  This, and comments from others asking "who?" would indicate they haven't made the kind of impact on the game that is generally deemed necessary for historical status consideration.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 23:23, 6 October 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Assuming that they are indeed gone, they definitely got some notoriety.--[[User:The Envoy|The Envoy]] 14:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
# '''Spam''' - We need a better system of trashing these idiotic claims for fame. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 01:09, 7 October 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - {{User:Max Grivas/sig}} 12:55, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
# Who? What? Why? There's not anything remarkable in any of those categories. No. --[[User:Keepster33|keepster33]] 03:16, 7 October 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - <font face="Verdana">-- [[Image:TexasFlag.gif|20px]] [[User:Bubbadick|Bubba]]<sup>[[User_Talk:Bubbadick|T]]</sup></Font> 05:54, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''poop''' as everybody else.----[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">sexualharrison</span>]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] ¯\([[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]])/¯ 04:16, 7 October 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - As newbish as I am, even I've heard of these guys and some of the stuff they've done. --[[User:Zapmaster3125|Zap]] 17:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
#I've never heard of them either... --[[User:Colette Hart|Colette Hart]] 06:27, 7 October 2010 (BST)
#{{s|'''Yes'''- They got into caiger back in the day. That deserves historical status no matter who you are --[[User:Dickholeguy|Dickhole Bonaparte]] <sub>Leader, [[Malton Rangers]]</sub> 13:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)}}
#Sorry, the historical significance of this group cannot be found at the moment. Please leave a '''NARP''' after the beep. Beep. {{User:Chief Seagull/Sig}} 13:30, 7 October 2010 (BST)
#{{s|'''Yes''' - Ah, memories. - [[User:CthulhuFhtagn|CthulhuFhtagn]] 10:45, 17 December 2006 (UTC)}}
#You know, most groups vying for historical status at least include a summary of what they've accomplished here. Was there nothing to say? --[[User:Shatari|Shatari]] 18:15, 7 October 2010 (BST)
*Dates after deadline stuck. (Deadline was 14/12/06). {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 13:45, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
#Can't say that they were that important, or at least important enough to be historical. They were pretty obnoxious as I recall, on a specific forum I lost the link to.--[[User:Officer Mead Sheaffer|Mead]] 23:46, 7 October 2010 (BST)
# Oh Glorious Blob, give me guidance as I vote on...on...ermmm...pssst, Marinus, who are these guys again? Ahh yes, the Penny Heights something or other. *The Blob simply Stares and blinks once or twice.*...I take that as a No then? Very well. NO. --[[User:Dr summeroff|Dr summeroff]] 00:22, 8 October 2010 (BST)
#:The blob has eyes?? >.> -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 23:39, 19 October 2010 (BST)
# I would never vote for an Olive Grove, no matter where its located! --[[User:Justin Scott|Justin]] 01:50, 8 October 2010 (BST)
# Who?--[[User:VinnyMendoza|VinnyMendoza]] 02:16, 8 October 2010 (BST)
# [[User:Kilroy8675309|Kilroy8675309]] 19:07, 9 October 2010 (BST)
# no, no, no... no --{{User:Lady Clitoria/Sig}} 00:40, 10 October 2010 (BST)
# No, never heard of 'em.. --[[User:KujiMuji|KujiMuji]] 1:36, 10 October 2010 (BST)
# Never heard of them. They don't seem to be making a large enough impression in the game. --[[User:Citric union|Citric union]] 17:42, 11 October 2010 (BST)
# Once again, you have got to be kidding. No.-[[User:Fallout11|Fallout11]] 21:31, 12 October 2010 (BST)
# Narp. I'm guessing this vote was the biggest impact they ever had on UD. --{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 17:33, 14 October 2010 (BST)
# Did they ever exist to begin with? {{User:Weeks/Sig}} 23:34, 16 October 2010 (BST)


*'''Voting Closed''' - 14th December 2006
*'''Yes''' - 13
*'''No''' - 0
*'''Verdict''' - Rejected, did no reach minimum 15 votes.


{{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 13:45, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
===[[Ackland Abattoir]]===
way back in the day, actually right near the beginning of the game, the [[Ackland Abattoir]] ravaged havercroft, and [[Ackland Mall Security]] with its attacks and tricks. being such a plight to the suburb itself way back when, countless scores of survivors, newbies, and now veteran players fell victim to their tactics. As of right now, this group has been disbanded for quite some time, and only has one remaining member who does not recruit, yet proudly keeps his group status on his profile the same. i remember seeing them shortly before/after the [[Battle of the Bear Pit]]. i commune with this remaining member quite often actually, as it is nice to reminisce about the good old days. they terrorized our suburb for a long while, and i believe they deserve the due credit [[User:Nuerotoxic2213|Nuerotoxic2213]] 19:30, 4 September 2010 (BST)


===[[The Corleone Family]]===
====Yes====
As their leader, i think i have t priveldge to nomnate them, we had a good run folks
# Similar impact on the game as several other groups that have been given historical status - i.e. Shambling Seagulls, the Gray, Ars Requiem. -[[User:MHSstaff|MHSstaff]] 06:15, 5 September 2010 (BST)
let's try to move on.[[user:Bob8914|vito the don]] 15:22, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
#:Yeah, but only 0.4 of those 3 groups will survive The Great Historical Group Purge. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 06:27, 5 September 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - Didn't change anything about the game.--{{User:Gage/sig}} 15:26, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
#::And let it be a swift and merciless purge when it comes -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 08:57, 5 September 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - Sorry, I've heard of you but in my opinion you didn't change the game or have a lasting impact. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 16:13, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
#Yup. Sadly, pretty much nobody will remember them, so this vote is pretty much doomed, but for my money they deserve Historical. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 16:58, 5 September 2010 (BST)
#* But you have heard of them haven't you? --[[User:Marie|''Marie'']]<sup>''[[The Grove]]''</sup> 13:52, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
#Yes. I've worked in the area a lot & have met countless Ackland Abbatoir members, although not recently. Seem to remember they smashed the Mall several times, with style. Made quite a impact on survivors & survivor groups in this area. --[[User:Jsrbrunty|Jsrbrunty]] 19:44, 5 September 2010 (BST)
#'''yes''' - i liked em. -[[User:Bullgod|Bullgod]] 21:06, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
#Yeah, they sounded interesting. --[[User:Blades|Blades]] 02:48, 6 September 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - [[User:Alan Watson|∀lan Watson]] <sup>[[User_talk:Alan_Watson|T]]·[[Ridleybank Resistance Front|R]][[Philosophe Knights|P]][[Malton Telephone|M]]</sup> 21:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
#Jeez.  I'm so sad nobody remembers these guys.  I saw the name on the front page, and I was all, "Holy shit, you mean those guys from back when I first started playing?"  They were cool :V Cool enough to get my completely meaningless vote. [[User:RinKou|RinKou]] 01:40, 9 September 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - What ∀lan said. --{{User:Max Grivas/sig}} 22:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - What Max said. --{{User:Sgt. Expendable/sig}}
#'''No''' - What Sgt. Expendable said. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 09:20, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - What Thari said. --{{User:Thari/sig}} 09:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - It looks more like you were a recently created close knit of friends that just stopped playing or were absorbed into larger groups. Perhaps you should merge your site info with another more apt current page? --[[User:MorthBabid|MorthBabid]] 20:00, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
#:{{Strike|'''Yes''' - In my defense the whole move to barville and ridleybank was mostly my idea [[User:bob8914| Vito the don]]}}
#::No timestamp. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 12:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - What Labine may or may not have said.--[[User:Labine50|Labine50]] <sup>'''[[Malton Hospitals Group|MH]]'''</sup><nowiki>|</nowiki><sup>'''[[MEMS|ME]]'''</sup><nowiki>|</nowiki><sup>'''[[User:Labine50/Power For The People|P]]'''</sup> 05:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''YES''' - Come on people don't be mean they have done stuff in Malton the [[NMC]], Ridleybank, Barrville. All the stuff is on the page. If we odn't save it, it would be deleted and I think thats a waste of their efforts. --[[User:Marie|''Marie'']]<sup>''[[The Grove]]''</sup> 13:51, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''yes'''  I thought you were still active. [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 18:20, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' Vito and the Corleone Family worked behind the scenes with me when we started bringing the fight to the zombies.  He and the Malton Rangers were really the motivating force behind the Channel 4 News Team and the whole of the NMC's invasion(s) of Barrville and Ridleybank.  If that's a historical change or action (I think it is), then this is a historical group. --[[User:Ron Burgundy|Ron Burgundy]] 01:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Never heard of you. Person putting it up form nomination uses the present tense in naming himself as the leader, which seems to indicate the group is still active, which would immediately rule it out of consideration anyway. --[[User:Grim s|Grim s]]-<sup>[[Moderation|Mod]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 10:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
#* - Vito is the groups leader he is still active but the group isn't. Simple. They are part of the [[NMC]]. --[[User:Marie|''Marie'']]<sup>''[[The Grove]]''</sup> 17:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - The Corleone's didn't do much on the surface, but as Ron said they worked a lot behind the scenes to motivate the C4NT and the Malton Rangers in the battles around Blackmore and later Ridleybank. --[[User:Gethsemani|Gethsemani]] 11:17, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' From what I have heard of previous groupe members it wasn't even a real group, just a loose coalition that really didn't do all that muchMade no noticable difference in either blackmore battles, and didn't ever make the stats page.  To sum it all up, AHAHAHAHAHAHAH ARE YOU KIDDING ME? --[[User:Dickholeguy|Dickhole The Great]] 22:21, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
#:Dickhole, you we'ren't here in the glory days of the corleone's in fact, you got here during the decline, , so whatever you know it dosen't matter, we made the stats page for 3 striaght months with 16 people and some yes did not listen to the groups current were abouts but 10 of them did and if that person is priz, i didn't try to command him. DGH shut up.
#::I'm assuming you're vito.  I'm not going to get into this with you. My vote is no, and its not changing--[[User:Dickholeguy|Dickhole The Great]] 23:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
#::: it's not even that, it's just you we'ernt htere for out historical impact, so you know nothing about it
#:Dickholeguy isn't it a bit odd that you use the NMC Template saying you are part of the [[NMC]] etc etc get you refuse to vote for a group that is/was an active part of the [[NMC]] into historical groups? Its hardly supportive. --[[User:Marie|''Marie'']]<sup>''[[The Grove]]''</sup> 10:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
#:dhg thinks im a bad leader and a horrilble person, he's got some issues
#:: Well thats not very nice is it? I think its a shame that this group won't be remembered properly. Where have the old members of your group gone- have they left or been absorbed into C4NT? Do you know what happened to Tony Blair aftre the AoG fiasco? --[[User:Marie|''Marie'']]<sup>''[[The Grove]]''</sup> 15:56, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
#::Could you please sign your posts? <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> is all it takes. -- [[User:Alan Watson|∀lan Watson]] <sup>[[User_talk:Alan_Watson|T]]·[[Ridleybank Resistance Front|R]][[The Vengeance Committee|V]][[Philosophe Knights|P]]</sup> 03:20, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
#::: whatever happend to the aog, we split up, and im mad that i will have no lasting legacy it ticks me off to no end[[user:bob8914|Vito The Don]]
#'''No''' Pretty sure it didn't change anything--[[User:Agent White|Agent White]]<sup> [[Project Welcome|W!]]•[[Sacred Ground Policy|SGP]]•[[CMS-Meta]]•[[CMS]]</sup> 02:01, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


====No====
#'''Who?''' Never heard of you. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 19:57, 4 September 2010 (BST)
#See Thad's reason. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 20:16, 4 September 2010 (BST)
# I'm gonna have to go with Thad on this one. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 20:21, 4 September 2010 (BST)
#Their news have been regularly updated for, what, 2.5 months from May to July 2006? They better should have made a hell of an impact during that quarter year they've been actually active. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 20:23, 4 September 2010 (BST)
#Thad nailed it.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2‎}} 20:25, 4 September 2010 (BST)
# bad -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 22:52, 4 September 2010 (BST)
#Fixed your link in case in helps your bid, but I've followed the goings on of most of the important PKer groups in Malton and have heard of these guys only in the briefest of asides. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:56, 4 September 2010 (BST)
#Thad nailed it. Also, if their leader is still around and hasn't disbanded it, I don't know that this meets rule #6 of the policy. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:51, 4 September 2010 (BST)
#As Yonnua. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 00:06, 5 September 2010 (BST)
#This might be the worst nomination ever. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 01:07, 5 September 2010 (BST)
#I browse the wiki quite a lot to read about Malton history and I've never heard of these guys.--{{User:Rolfe Steiner/sig}} 02:18, 5 September 2010 (BST)
#Fail.  I thought actual in-game impact was a prerequisite.  {{User:Criminally Insane/supastampbiatch}}
#I have no idea who these guys are. --[[User:Huntress|Huntress]] 07:33, 5 September 2010 (BST)
#As Thad.--{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 17:04, 5 September 2010 (BST)
#Sorry but never heard of you or your past glory --{{User:DiSm/sig}} 17:58, 5 September 2010 (BST)
#Why? You were post-Ackland [[User:Damien falcon|Damien falcon]] 22:06, 5 September 2010 (BST)
#Who? [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 00:01, 6 September 2010 (BST)
#I know nothing of your work --[[User:Zensaga|Zensaga]] 01:00, 6 September 2010 (BST)
#Not historical --[[User:Johnny Bass|Papa Johnny]] 08:46, 6 September 2010 (BST)
#As Aichon and Rolfe Steiner. --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 21:15, 6 September 2010 (BST)
#as moloch----[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">sexualharrison</span>]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] ¯\([[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]])/¯ 23:03, 6 September 2010 (BST)
#No. According to their files, they have done very little in regards to noteworthiness. --{{User:THE TERMINATOR/sig}} 12:05, 8 September 2010 (BST)
#After carefull thought, deliberation and a perusal of the historical records, the Blob has rendered his verdict: No. --[[User:Dr summeroff|Dr summeroff]] 00:17, 9 September 2010 (BST)
#:<s>Never heard of them. --{{User:Lady Clitoria/Sig}} 02:45, 20 September 2010 (BST)</s> <small>Voting had closed.</small>
Voting has closed. With 5 For and 23 Against, Ackland Abattoir has '''Failed''' to achieve historical status. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 04:32, 20 September 2010 (BST)


*'''Voting Closed''' - 13th December 2006
===[[PTT]]===
*'''Yes''' - 6
It's been ages since I've seen any of the members active, and it's also been ages since I've seen them on the stats page.  The group was made up of a bunch of members on a Taiwanese bulletin board system under the same name of the group.  They came into existence in late 2006, and held strong until early 2007 (from what I know, at least).  Their base of operations was situated around [[Shearbank]].  They've reached over 200 in weeks, took a small part in [[Battle of Blackmore]], and were a major force in defending Shearbank from [[Shacknews]] after Shacknews came in and ravaged Blackmore.  If anything, they were probably the largest group whose players originated from Taiwan.  And believe me, their presence gave Malton a good feel of having a mixed-culture population, especially since the majority of the players in Urban Dead speaks English.
*'''No''' - 11
*'''Verdict''' - Rejected
{{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 15:32, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


====Yes====
#'''Yes''' - Those were good old days, all right, and these guys were a big help in many major sieges back then.  If you ask me, Shearbank should have been renamed to China Town due to the large Chinese speaking population stationed there. ;) --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 16:28, 3 September 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - The name rang a bell, but the wiki page brought it all back. Certainly deserve it.--{{User:Drawde/Sig}} 17:02, 3 September 2010 (BST)
#:Heh.  Remember when the SysOps of old thought the first few users trying to create the group page were adbots? xD --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 17:06, 3 September 2010 (BST)
#::My lurker memories of old remember that :3 --{{User:Drawde/Sig}} 18:57, 3 September 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' --{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2‎}} 17:29, 3 September 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Their page is even in the top 10 most visited on the wiki, and for good reason. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 18:52, 3 September 2010 (BST)
#'''Yep''' --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:54, 3 September 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - A great group. [[User:Redoubt|Redoubt]] 19:40, 3 September 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - They did their part. --{{User:Rolfe Steiner/sig}} 03:40, 4 September 2010 (BST)
#'''Yeah''' - As a long time resident of Shearbank, I have seen them often in the past. Left a good impression. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 10:12, 4 September 2010 (BST)
#200+ members and over 447,000 group page views! If they were still active they could boss Malton.--{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 17:06, 5 September 2010 (BST)
#These guys were cool! They deserve an award for the group that was something that will never be seen again :( --{{User:DiSm/sig}} 18:01, 5 September 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' --[[User:Zensaga|Zensaga]] 01:03, 6 September 2010 (BST)
#:<s>'''Yes''' - i remember --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[User:Duke Garland/BHW|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 22:27, 17 September 2010 (BST)</s> <small>Voting had closed</small>


===[[The Banzai Institute for Advanced Armored Warfare]]===
====No====
One of the earlier groups in the game, and a very early example of an pre-existing community coming enmasse into the game. I think the recent victories of [[Shacknews]] is evidence enough of how important this phenomenom is to the game -- [[User:Alan Watson|∀lan Watson]] <sup>[[User_talk:Alan_Watson|T]]·[[Ridleybank Resistance Front|R]][[Philosophe Knights|P]][[Malton Telephone|M]]</sup> 10:22, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - I always assumed they got their page views via bots, I never thought they were actually a group. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 23:27, 3 September 2010 (BST)
:Voting ended 5th December, rejected as did not get the minimum 2/3rd of yes votes. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 10:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Too much zerging and not enough actually doing stuff for my taste. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 00:22, 4 September 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - I've never heard of them myself since I've been in UD and no-one has spoken about them in the places I frequent. Unless someone can give me something to go on it has to be no.{{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 10:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
#:I'll have you know PTT handled their cheating members personally.  I've witnessed their executions of their cheaters first-hand. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 00:36, 4 September 2010 (BST
#'''No''' - Who? –[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] <sup>[[Special:Listusers/sysop|M]]•[[User talk:Xoid|T]]•<span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.th7.net F]</span>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 15:35, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
#::Then they'll have 'executed' enough people for it to qualify as genocide. Further, a far as the actual game goes, they were big but irrelevant. The latter damns the former. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 14:28, 4 September 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - Another slight case of ''who the hell are you?'' --[[User:Marie|''Marie'']]<sup>''[[The Grove]]''</sup> 17:30, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
#NO cheating zerging fucks heads. that did nothing at all in game. zero.!----[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">sexualharrison</span>]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] ¯\([[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]])/¯ 04:27, 4 September 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - What Marie said. --{{User:Max Grivas/sig}} 17:39, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
#:Is there any actual proof that they were zerging? --[[User:Shatari|Shatari]] 12:25, 4 September 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - Fut the wuck?--{{User:Gage/sig}} 18:23, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
#::Yes. Cross reference any member with the list in the second and third posts of the [http://zombies.dementiastudios.org/boards/index.php?topic=12.0 Zerg Liste] thread. Then use the search button to search for that character's name. All additions to the zerg liste are the result of someone submitting evidence to Resenz. It's then evaluated by the Zerg Liste staff. If someone's on that list there's a 95% chance they're a legitimate zerg. The other 5% are coincidental mistakes. The system is not perfect, but if you don't get yourself off the list you're assumed to be a zerg. As it stands several members of PTT are still on the list, and are still being listed. So yeah, they zerg and there's evidence of it. Any other questions? - {{User:Goribus/Sig}} 08:35, 8 September 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - But ''only'' because I never heard of 'em ;) -''[[User:Certified=Insane|Certified=Insane]]''<sup>[[Urban Guerillas|☭]]</sup>[[Image:Quebec.gif|16px|Québécois]] 23:00, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
#:::Ye- if 99% of them don't speak english, how do they get off? What does Resenz to for international speaking ud players? -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 11:56, 8 September 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - Never heard of them. Has _anyone? [[User:Daniel Hicken|Daniel Hicken]] 02:14, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
#::::That's not Resenz' problem DDR. There are legitimate non zergers on the list, but until they take the effort to go to Resenz to prove otherwise they're still going to be on the list. Also using the not speaking English excuse isn't really valid. Especially since the RDD has about 25% or more members from Europe that speak English as a second, or in some cases, third language. If the 1% of the group that does speak/read English can't go to Resenz and play interpretor for the rest of the group it's no one's problem but their own. If you want them off the liste then go and contact them and tell them what they'll need to do. Had she not taken a leave of absence I'd ask our own Asian member to go and talk to them assuming they speak the same language. Ours speaks English and Chinese, but I think she also speaks German and maybe French. She was a smart girl that one. - {{User:Goribus/Sig}} 10:34, 10 September 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' --{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 03:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
#:::::How does this list work? Do the users compare IP addresses, or is it simply "similar sounding names"? How wide spread was the alleged zerging, and was the majority of the group made aware of it? Further, were any members of the group informed that they were on the list in a language that they could understand? It's easy to accuse someone of zerging, but it's unfair to do so without proof. Can you link to some proof please?--[[User:Shatari|Shatari]] 17:51, 10 September 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' -- [[User:Alan Watson|∀lan Watson]] <sup>[[User_talk:Alan_Watson|T]]·[[Ridleybank Resistance Front|R]][[Philosophe Knights|P]][[Malton Telephone|M]]</sup> 07:47, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
#::::::For listing purposes a number of criteria is used. Similar naming habits, profile writing styles, creation dates, etc. Everyone that gets listed (or not) is done so because someone went to Resenz and posted a screencap/dumbwit/iwit/etc. It's then evaluated by the Zerg Liste Staff. For purposes of de-listing it's as simple as posting screenshots/dumbwits/iwits showing that the characters are seperated. In the case of mistaken identity deals the owner of each character must go to Resenz and post there for IP verification purposes. As the people that staff the Zerg Liste are moderators and admins for that purpose they can look up IPs of the people posting. From there IPs can be matched against known proxies and more or less pinpoint where said person is posting from. No one tells them that they're on it, as I've said that's not the Zerg Liste's problem.
#'''No''' --[[User:Officer otep|Officer Otep]] 12:09, 22 November 2006 (UTC)+
#::::::Had you used the link I posted you would see hundreds of names on that list. Also a fairly detailed post about how the list works, how to get off of it, how to post to it, etc. The amount of time for listing, investigating, delisting, etc. is fairly high enough as it is. How is one supposed to track down a specific character to tell them they've been listed anyway? Hmmm? As for showing you proof? Go fuck yourself. I don't need to prove shit to you if you're too lazy to do the work yourself. I can't be fucked to track down some mythical memberlist for dozens of random characters and do individual searches to prove to you that someone was listed. Sorry, but I have a life outside of this game and I'm not going to waste hours of my life to win some stupid argument on the internet because someone's so dense they can't do research for themselves. - {{User:Goribus/Sig}} 03:15, 11 September 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' -- but only because of the grafitti tactics they used... [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 21:07, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
#:::::::I was told it was standard to be told you were executed for zerging as per the Zerg Liste in game when someone killed a perpetrator of zerging. Do you yourself not follow this practice then? -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 03:35, 11 September 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' -- Lame.--[[User:Mayor Fitting|Mayor Fitting]] 23:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
#::::::::Sure, when I'm zerg hunting with a breather and run into a zerg. The zerg liste copy paste is in every kill taunt. But to go out of my fucking way to randomly inform what is literally hundreds of people they're on the list? Yeah, that's not going to happen. You're being naive to think anyone would go out of their way to track down each and every person on the Zerg Liste to tell them they're on a list. Not to mention it's imfuckingpossible to do so. Go ahead, and try to track down just one random player that isn't associated in the meta-game. I dare you. See how much time and effort you're going to waste to track down one single solitary person playing a single random character. I don't staff the Zerg Liste, I hunt from it and I'm in the ZHU. ZHU =/= Zerg Liste Staff. - {{User:Goribus/Sig}} 07:50, 11 September 2010 (BST)
#::Gotta sign--{{User:Gage/sig}} 23:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
#:::::::::I don't remember me saying that. Do you remember me saying that? -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 14:06, 11 September 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[ The Caiger Resistance Front|CRF]] [[ DORIS]] [[Witch Burners|Hunt!]]</sup> 03:24, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
#:::::::Wait, so you're accusing a group of being zergers, and then you're mad when someone asks you to provide some form of evidence? Have you ever heard of "Burden of Proof"?--[[User:Shatari|Shatari]] 03:58, 11 September 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' --[[User:Mr yawn|Mr yawn]] [[Image:Scotland flag.JPG|20px]] 06:55, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
#::::::::He already sorta linked you to where said evidence is. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 04:09, 11 September 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - I need to have heard of them for them to be historical.--{{User:The General/sig}} 11:35, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
#:::::::::But there's no real evidence there, just some names on a list, devoid of all context or evidence (for what little is needed to get on the list in the first place). The only evidence is that there are players in the group allegedly on the list (Goribus isn't willing to list ''any'' names, so I have no reason to assume it's true) and someone allegedly accused them of zerging at some point. Since the only way they can be cleared is to respond to some random list on the internet in a language the majority of them don't speak, it's unlikely that they were ever aware of the list. The site can only view IP addresses of people who actually post on that forum (which is coincidentally the only solid evidence that can be brought against inconspicuous zergers), so he's not even linking to real evidence. Linking to a page with thousands of names and saying "See? PROOF! Don't like it? Fuck you! Prove me wrong!" is not very convincing and does nothing to shift the burden of proof.--[[User:Shatari|Shatari]] 06:05, 11 September 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - Never heard of them. Not sure of their intentions. And I would only be surprised if they could hijack tanks in the game.--11:30, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
#::::::::::You are the dumbest mother fucker I have ever met. Do not breed. Ever. - {{User:Goribus/Sig}} 07:50, 11 September 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - Who now?--[[User:Labine50|Labine50]] <sup>'''[[Malton Hospitals Group|MH]]'''</sup><nowiki>|</nowiki><sup>'''[[MEMS|ME]]'''</sup><nowiki>|</nowiki><sup>'''[[User:Labine50/Power For The People|P]]'''</sup> 06:44, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
#Was going to not vote because I had some idea that they were before my time, but I specifically remember seeing these guys with about 200 members before I [[User_talk:Linkthewidow/Archive/6#PTT|found]] their wiki page for the firs time. This is a vote towards the fact they they've been huge for years and yet I'd never seen or heard of them in-game at all, not once. Yeah, they're cute and it's great that this established UD as an international game that transgressed language barriers, yada yada, and I won't mind if they do become historical for that reason. But I still can't find myself supporting it. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 11:00, 4 September 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - The group appears to be a historical one. [[User:Juri Arisugawa]] 09:26 29 November 2006
#:{{s|1=I don't wanna vote either side, so don't consider this when tallying up the votes, but I echo DDR's sentiment that a group that big should have had a greater in-game relevance than they did. Their impact wasn't small, but it was 99.9% based on what they ''were'', not what they ''did''. I'm decidedly undecided about this one but I feel that my reasoning is worth pointing out. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 13:46, 4 September 2010 (BST)}} <small> this was originally an abstain but historical voting policy states there may only be yes or no, so I removed the header and placed it up to the rest of voting. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 14:52, 4 September 2010 (BST)</small>
#'''No''' - Didn't this group simply get absorbed into larger groups? --[[User:MorthBabid|MorthBabid]] 20:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
#Murdered these guys over and over and over again.  Most of their members were just standing logins.  Did I mention the LoD wiped the floor with them when we only had 12 members? Oh, and I forgot the zerging thing.  It's great and all they had 200 something profiles at their peak, but again, merely profiles.  Where did the real gamers get to? {{User:Criminally Insane/supastampbiatch}}
#'''yes''' Still some talk about then in-game. [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 18:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - I spent ample time in Shearbank as both a LUEmbie and a PKer, and I personally never saw them do anything aside from revive a few people (mostly their own members). In fact, the only thing I really recall about PTT was the zerging. --{{User:Another_alias/Signature}} 06:04, 5 September 2010 (BST)
I've heard of them, but only because they play Mechwarrior and worship Wombats (it's hard to explain.) [[User:Axeman89|Axeman89]] 03:44, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''Nah''', even though I remember these guys and am familiar with Shearbank, they didn't leave a real impression on me or anybody I know. --[[User:Huntress|Huntress]] 07:38, 5 September 2010 (BST)
#'''KEKEKE''' {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 17:00, 5 September 2010 (BST)
#Didn't even know they existed --[[User:Damien falcon|Damien falcon]] 22:08, 5 September 2010 (BST)
#No but heard of them. --[[User:Blades|Blades]] 02:49, 6 September 2010 (BST)
#As moloch --[[User:Johnny Bass|Papa Johnny]] 08:46, 6 September 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - Although the irony of Asian zergs makes me laugh uproariously. -- {{User:Goribus/Sig}} 08:35, 8 September 2010 (BST)
#No. Their only contribution was having a large Asian-based group. --{{User:THE TERMINATOR/sig}} 12:06, 8 September 2010 (BST)
#:That's not true.  They made wiki contributions as well! Their group page translates all the important playing references into Chinese, something that the Chinese-speaking users on UDWiki will be able to understand more easily! --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 03:51, 15 September 2010 (BST)
#Communing with the Cosmos for days for guidance on this vote, the Blob finally appeared before me, shaking his gelatinous head in the negative. --[[User:Dr summeroff|Dr summeroff]] 00:21, 9 September 2010 (BST)


===[[Bela Lugosi Fan Klub]]===
Voting has closed. With 11 For and 14 Against, PTT has '''Failed''' to achieve the 2/3 necessary for historical status. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:12, 17 September 2010 (BST)
Early zombie group, small but well-coordinated. I think they projected a pretty decent amount of presence in their day despite their numbers. -- [[User:Alan Watson|∀lan Watson]] <sup>[[User_talk:Alan_Watson|T]]·[[Ridleybank Resistance Front|R]][[Philosophe Knights|P]][[Malton Telephone|M]]</sup> 10:22, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
:Voting ended 5th December, voting failed as failed to get the minimum 15 votes. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 10:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - See my reasoning above, exactly the same for this group. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 10:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - purely because they're likely still around. They have a history of "disappearing" for two or so months, then, bam! A flurry of activity. –[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] <sup>[[Special:Listusers/sysop|M]]•[[User talk:Xoid|T]]•<span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.th7.net F]</span>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 15:34, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
#'''NO''' - A slight case of ''who the hell are you?'' --[[User:Marie|''Marie'']]<sup>''[[The Grove]]''</sup> 17:30, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' I just liked their page. --{{User:Max Grivas/sig}} 17:38, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' -- [[User:Alan Watson|∀lan Watson]] <sup>[[User_talk:Alan_Watson|T]]·[[Ridleybank Resistance Front|R]][[Philosophe Knights|P]][[Malton Telephone|M]]</sup> 07:47, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - I've heard of them, good enough for me. --[[User:Officer otep|Officer Otep]] 12:11, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' -- Never heard of them before this. --[[User:Mayor Fitting|Mayor Fitting]] 23:55, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
#:Gotta sign.--{{User:Gage/sig}} 23:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[ The Caiger Resistance Front|CRF]] [[ DORIS]] [[Witch Burners|Hunt!]]</sup> 03:24, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
#'''No'''-They're still active, I was killed by one in fort perryn--[[User:Dickholeguy|Dickholeguy]] 19:20, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - I didn't know they disbanded...--[[User:Labine50|Labine50]] <sup>'''[[Malton Hospitals Group|MH]]'''</sup><nowiki>|</nowiki><sup>'''[[MEMS|ME]]'''</sup><nowiki>|</nowiki><sup>'''[[User:Labine50/Power For The People|P]]'''</sup> 06:44, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
#'''Yes''' - I've run across these guys before in [[Yagoton]], but didn't think they were gone? --[[User:MorthBabid|MorthBabid]] 20:01, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
#'''yes''' [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 18:25, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
#'''yes''' --- What Max Grivas said <font face="Verdana">-- [[Image:TexasFlag.gif|20px]] [[User:Bubbadick|Bubba]]<sup>[[User_Talk:Bubbadick|T]]</sup></Font> 08:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


==='''The Crimson Clan'''===
Yep, you read it - [[The Crimson Clan]] no longer operates in Urban Dead. Started in April 4th, 2007, The Clan made its first triumphs defending [[Dakerstown]] against zombie hordes - most notably [[Extinction]]. After few months of operating (and growing in numbers) The Clan took [[Havercroft]] and Ackland Mall as its home.


===[[The Movie Club]]===
During the time in Havercroft (which lasted until the beginning of 2010) The Clan reached its peak in numbers (over 100 members working under the group tag) and also were among Top 10 Groups in the game. Clan also worked for keeping up the Mall and various resource buildings around it - mainly NTs - and also participated in the many sieges of Ackland during this time, gaining some reputation among the regular Mall residents.
The last edit on the page was in August, announcing the group had disbanded (and the last edit before that one was months old). I don't know if the Movie Club ever played a significant role in the zombie/human balance of power, but in my opinion the group had a fun RP purpose, and one that obviously appeals to other players (as shown by the [[Now Playing]] and [[Cinema Status]] pages). Most of the abandoned group pages that get deleted are indistinguishable "Kill all zombies/survivors" groups, but this one had more going for it, and I'd like to see it preserved if there's support. --[[User:Paul Brunner|Paul Brunner]] 21:10, 28 October 2006 (BST)
--[[User:Waak|Waak]] 20:16, 11 July 2010 (BST)
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: ''Too bad the Clan didn't become historic after all. But if we can't be remembered this way, I'm sure we'll be remembered in others. If anyone wants to contact the few of us that remain, our forums are still more or less active. Bye Crimson, these few years have been good ones. Rest in peace.'' --[[User:Jsrbrunty|Jsrbrunty]] 22:49, 25 July 2010 (BST)


#'''No''' - I haven't ever heard of them. Anyone else? --[[User:Marie|''Marie'']]<sup>''[[The Grove]]''</sup> 12:43, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
====Yes (Crimson)====
#'''No''' - I've seen some of what they did, not really memorable though --[[User:Lord Evans|Lord Evans]] 16:14, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
:<s>Definatly a name I reconise--{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 20:21, 11 July 2010 (BST)</s>
#'''Yes''' - Still, I think they're a good role model for folks interested in exploring something other than hack and slash AP calc in this game.--[[User:The Envoy|The Envoy]] 03:21, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
# Yarp. Happy days fighting zergers in molebank. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:23, 11 July 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - I saw their wiki pages and sprays around Malton. Neat RP, not game altering. --{{User:Max Grivas/sig}} 17:45, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
#:So this group fought zergers with zergers?  That's new. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 17:28, 18 July 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Maybe not earth shattering but unique concept and nice flavor. {{User:Bubbadick/sig}} 08:28, 31 October 2006
#:<s>I'm not the biggest fan of the group, but I definitely recognize them and knew of their impact in the Ackland Mall area. Think I may have even killed a member or two, now that I think of it some more... {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 20:26, 11 July 2010 (BST)</s>
#'''No''' - A small and mostly insignificant group, did not make the [[Now Playing]] and [[Cinema Status]] pages. --[[User:Officer otep|Officer Otep]] 12:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
# '''Aye''' --[[User:Waak|Waak]] 20:31, 11 July 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - I've heard of them, but only because I randomly stumbled accross their Wiki page one day. --{{User:Mia Kristos/sig}} 12:38, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
# Good times...I think we made a big enough dent to be listed.--[[User:ErrorMaker|ErrorMaker]] 20:38, 11 July 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - Respect to them for actually RPing, but until today? I didn't have a clue who they were...--[[User:Flatliner|Flatliner]] 14:26, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
# Yes, definitely. --[[User:AlexanderRM|AlexanderRM]] 23:12, 11 July 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' Too bad it wasn't maintained better, because it was unique RP. I wish somebody would claim it as their own and run it as a current group (I would, but I don't have time). [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 16:15, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
#: <s>I remember you from back in my days [[KoBB]] days. You were one of the more noteworthy groups in the Ackland region. --[[User:Shatari|Shatari]] 01:39, 12 July 2010 (BST)</s>
#'''No''' - I don't belive they actually made an impact ingame. Otherwise I would vote yes. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 14:42, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
#:: Huh, I hadn't heard about the zerging before.--[[User:Shatari|Shatari]] 05:23, 14 July 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - There are more ways to make an impact on the game than just killing lots of other players. Maybe a lot of people haven't heard of the Movie Club, but what they started could turn into a city-wide trend. --[[User:Naveen Andrews|Naveen Andrews]] 18:16, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
#:<s> Sure I remember them. Actually dropped by a couple of times on their forums long ago. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 18:16, 12 July 2010 (BST)</s> <small>--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 23:41, 17 July 2010 (BST)</small>
#'''No''' - I like their concept, but I don't think I'd include them if I were tracking the history of the game, which is what I think the Historical Groups section should do. -- [[User:Alan Watson|Alan Watson]] <sup>[[User_talk:Alan_Watson|T]]·[[Ridleybank Resistance Front|R]][[Philosophe Knights|P]][[Malton Telephone|M]]</sup> 12:30, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
#: <s>Even I know who they were. [[User:Technical Pacifist|Technical Pacifist]] 18:27, 12 July 2010 (BST)</s>
#'''No''' - I agree with almost everything [[User:Naveen Andrews|Naveen Andrews]] said, but the fact of the matter is, they didn't make an impact on the game. If you're going to be a historical group, you need to have been a group that most people knew about. Great concept and I love that their main purpose was RPing, but they just didn't make a big impact. Admirable but not historical. --[[User:Dorian Miller|Dorian Miller]] 06:57, 3 November 2006
# Yeah we did a lot in and out of our main area --[[User:Vinduska|Vinduska]] 18:45, 12 July 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Sorry to hear they disbanded!--[[User:Labine50|Labine50]] <sup>'''[[Malton Hospitals Group|MHG]]'''</sup><nowiki>|</nowiki><sup>'''[[MEMS]]'''</sup> 06:46, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
# Yes. I've been out of the game for a while, but I have some very good memories of the Crimson Clan, and I think we had a pretty big effect on the areas we worked in. Also, I refute the allegations of zerging below. I have tried to stay up to date with goings-on, and have no knowledge of recent alt abuse within the Clan. I'd suggest that all those below examine their sources, if they have any, rather than use zerging as a cover for in-game rivalries and deny this influential group the recognition they deserve. --[[User:LK Oddjob|LK Oddjob]] 19:32, 16 July 2010 (BST)
#'''no''' - not important and don't have anything to do with the process of the game, like RPing then take it elsewhere -sonic
#:Did you actually read the resenz thread linked below? It's hardly a matter of opinion. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 19:42, 16 July 2010 (BST)
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#::I myself was involved in the alt controversy, but if you'd care to note, that was resolved three years ago. We worked over an area of several suburbs, and at the time thought it reasonable to have alternate characters, provided they were kept separate. I acknowledge that at times some members gave in to temptation and used more than one character in the same operation, but that was the exception. I regret my actions then, but they were restricted to a few members of the group. Yes, the clan wasn't infallible, but we learned from our mistakes, and I consider we have more than regained respect in the years since then. --[[User:LK Oddjob|LK Oddjob]] 20:09, 16 July 2010 (BST)
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#:::I don't know about you, but I consider multiple alts in the same group zerging. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 09:48, 17 July 2010 (BST)
#::::Its not, you can have 2 alts in the same group, but you can't have them in the same suburb, or 10 squares to be safe about it. Now it may be bad form (if you do it to boost on the stats page), but it is allowed.--{{User:Bonghit420/sig}} 20:29, 17 July 2010 (BST)
#:::::That's still considered alt abuse. The DEM have been villified for years as a result and eventually recanted it. It was also one of the elements that led to the downfall of the Imperium (if I remember correctly). {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 20:49, 17 July 2010 (BST)
#::::::It may be considered alt abuse, but technically it is not.--{{User:Bonghit420/sig}} 21:58, 17 July 2010 (BST)
#:::::::There are certain things that are disagreed upon. What if your character is 7 or 8 block from another? What if the horde of one character moves a little faster than expected and hits the suburb of another? Can the human character take a look around? Must the zombie specifically avoid buildings seen by the human? There is a gray area. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 22:13, 17 July 2010 (BST)
#::::::::10 squares apart to be safe, If you unknowingly or knowingly bring an alt within that distance than will suffer a search rate drop and a hit rate drop. So by game mechanics you are zerging. No gray area there. --{{User:Bonghit420/sig}} 22:17, 17 July 2010 (BST)
#:::::::::So if you make a new character who happens to spawn within those ten blocks of another, you're zerging? And it's perfectly fine to have one character find a target, attack him, flee, and have a second character finish him off, so long as they never go within those magical ten blocks of each other? --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 22:39, 17 July 2010 (BST)
#::::::::::From what I've seen, there's a roughly 24 hour time limit you need to stick to between moving out and moving in with someone else, which means that you may as well just rest the first character and AP up again. As for spawning, from my own experiences, it seems to have some kind of an effect but I don't know if it triggers a full-blown flag or if I just had some shitty luck, but the only way around it really is to just get the fuck out of Dodge and let things right themselves. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:43, 17 July 2010 (BST)
#:::::::::::It is 24 hours, your right, and if you spawn a new player within 10 squares of an old one then you should move them away as fast as possible. But all this does not matter if your dealing with a proxy zerger, because they do not suffer the lowered rates. That's a different discussion for a different time.--{{User:Bonghit420/sig}} 23:31, 17 July 2010 (BST)
#::::::::::::10 squares apart, you say?  I noticed this group centers around Ackland Mall. If you take a look [[Multi_abuse#Policy_Discussion|here]], it states, "''Please do not put one alt on each side of Caiger Mall and claim that this constitutes "separate suburbs."''" --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 01:21, 21 July 2010 (BST)
#:::::::::::::I'm not saying they are not zerging, I know how bad it was when I was running a group there and I already made my vote as a '''no''' if you look down there V. All I am saying is that 10 spaces is a suburb, so the rule is "keep em a suburb apart" so basically keep your people 10 spaces apart.--{{User:Bonghit420/sig}} 08:32, 21 July 2010 (BST)
#::::::::::::::Also, email Kevan and ask him for yourself, the zerg mechanics will not kick in if the same IP has 2 people in the same group if they are 10 spaces away.--{{User:Bonghit420/sig}} 08:35, 21 July 2010 (BST)
# Yes. I consider we've contributed a lot to the game (especially the Havercroft area) over the years. At our best, we were well known to people all over Malton, not just in our patch of ground. There seems to be a lot of argument over the zerging issue. The Clan used to zerg openly, as did many groups at the time. As it became less acceptable and more groups turned non-zerging, our founder also passed a ban on it. Despite our previous zerging, this rule was followed and the few who didn't go along with it were disciplined accordingly. That rule was made over 2 and a half years ago. I really don't understand what all the fuss is about now. --[[User:Jsrbrunty|Jsrbrunty]] 20:08, 17 July 2010 (BST)
# Yes. In protest to dumb policies I'm voting yes on everything up for historical voting until forever. At least that way things that may have mattered will actually have a slightly better chance even if it means voting in a few piles of crap that had an impact on their members/participants. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 00:54, 21 July 2010 (BST)
# Yes. Zerging was prohibited. As a result only my main remained in TCC. Stormys out. <small>—The preceding [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Stormys|Stormys]] ([[User talk:Stormys|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Stormys|contribs]]) at an <span class="stealthexternallink">[{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|action=history}} unknown time]</span>.</small>
#:So, wait, you knew about the zerging, and you both stayed in the group and now support them as being historical? Wow. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 09:55, 21 July 2010 (BST)
#::I was new to the game didn't even knew what not, after i found out zerging is illegal i stayed only with main in clan. <small>—The preceding [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Stormys|Stormys]] ([[User talk:Stormys|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Stormys|contribs]]) at an <span class="stealthexternallink">[{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|action=history}} unknown time]</span>.</small>
#:::I can understand that, given that I've known other people who made the same mistake, but that you stayed in a group that knowingly supported it is what I'm questioning, as is the fact that you're still supporting them now. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:34, 22 July 2010 (BST)
#::::The Clan didn't support zerging after the ban was passed within the group. May I repeat that that was over 2 years ago. Since then we never supported zerging knowingly, even in the smallest way. --[[User:Jsrbrunty|Jsrbrunty]] 23:08, 23 July 2010 (BST)


===[[Squad Zulu]]===
====No (Crimson)====
One of the oldest and one of the most effective beginning groups, [[Squad Zulu]] has shaped past Malton politics, including those with the [[CoL]] and [[DARIS]]. --[[User:YuriRuler90|YuriRuler90]] 01:09, 28 October 2006 (BST)
#'''Against''' - Whilst I've heard of you guys, and I've dealt with you as a member of Columbine Kids, I fail to see anything you've done that makes you historical. Noteworthy, perhaps, worth a mention in passing, sure, but not truly historical. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 20:26, 11 July 2010 (BST)
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#:Jesus God burn that zerg nest with fire. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 15:09, 13 July 2010 (BST)
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#'''Against''' - [[User:Whitehouse]] 20:29, 11 July 2010 (BST)
:*'''Note:''' Unsigned vote struck. –[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] <sup>[[Special:Listusers/sysop|M]]•[[User talk:Xoid|T]]•<span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.th7.net F]</span>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 03:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
#'''Against''' - The only reason I've ever heard of you is because the same guy who got me to try UD told me to join you. I have never seen you mentioned anywhere else. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 20:47, 11 July 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - two edits to their wiki page? How about no?--{{User:Gage/sig}} 01:15, 28 October 2006 (BST)
#:<span title="Don't click the second link if you are young, sensitive, or a lawyer.">And one more thing. The Clan was home to CyAdora (aka SillyLillyPilly). She happens to be a major rapist, and in Shartak, the most well known by far. [http://theferalundead.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=other&action=display&thread=2659&page=14 This] is the worst she's done in UD, but in Shartak, she definitely [http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dc3zsw7d_0vc3hjzgg <span title="Don't click this link if you are young, sensitive, or a lawyer.">crossed a line</span>], and ended up spurring one of the largest controversies in the game's history. This is just one bad apple, but following Giles's excellent train of thought, it doesn't exactly encourage us to honor the group with the title of historical.</span> --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 09:31, 17 July 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Those two edits match up with the statement that this squad disbanded in the "mid months of 2006". Good enough for me. --[[User:MorthBabid|MorthBabid]] 05:52, 28 October 2006 (BST)
#Yeah, I've heard of you. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 00:42, 13 July 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - If its part of CoL shouldn't it already be listed under historical groups? Can't we just attach it to there? --[[User:Marie|''Marie'']]<sup>''[[The Grove]]''</sup> 12:28, 29 October 2006 (UTC)  
#Heard of them, but not significant enough to warrent historical. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:22, 13 July 2010 (BST)
#:'''RE''' - It's not a direct part of the CoL. --[[User:YuriRuler90|YuriRuler90]] 21:17, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
#:Forgot about the fact that they were massive zergers too. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 15:01, 13 July 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - I was, by no means, around at the time the CoL and early days of Urban Dead but I still looked deeply into history. I don't remember hearing a thing about Squad Zulu. –[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] <sup>[[Special:Listusers/sysop|M]]•[[User talk:Xoid|T]]•<span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.th7.net F]</span>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 03:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
#Only famous for being [http://zombies.dementiastudios.org/boards/index.php?topic=2946.msg36158#msg36158 mass-zerging cunts]. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 06:26, 13 July 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - For the same reasons as Xoid. --[[User:Officer otep|Officer Otep]] 12:17, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Moloch's link and [http://zombies.dementiastudios.org/boards/index.php?topic=1956.msg36159#msg36159 this discussion] were pretty damning. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 07:22, 13 July 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - I know they were loosely connected to the CoL, but other than occassionally hearing "Ia! Ia!" and seeing it in people's sigs, I never heard of anything they did. --{{User:Mia Kristos/sig}} 12:39, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
#So this is where the St Aden zerg army took off? That could almost be historical in and of itself. But not really. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 11:20, 13 July 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 16:17, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
#'''Against''' - Sorry bud.  There is a price to pay when your group gets caught zerging as part of their official policy.  One of the sanctions for zerging around here is a loss of respect, and since the historical category is all about respect/e-penis I can't vote for you.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 15:30, 13 July 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' --{{User:Max Grivas/sig}} 18:02, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
#'''Nope''' As Giles. [[User:Technical Pacifist|Technical Pacifist]] 15:34, 13 July 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - Never heard of them. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 14:42, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
#'''Negative''' - The whole zerg thing is the nail in the coffin. --{{User:Another_alias/Signature}} 03:36, 14 July 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - With a caveat. Personally I'm sort of sick of all this "sekrit operation" BS I've seen built into all the CoL stuff. If you include more information, like your roles in the battles or the formation and composition of the group then I'd gladly change my vote. I've been sort of interested in just what the big deal about the CoL was but the wiki pages on the subject are useless. -- [[User:Alan Watson|Alan Watson]] <sup>[[User_talk:Alan_Watson|T]]·[[Ridleybank Resistance Front|R]][[Philosophe Knights|P]][[Malton Telephone|M]]</sup> 12:33, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' It is the only rule in the game, no alt abuse. To knowingly break that rule in order to build a group negates any historic value that group should otherwise behold (in my opinion). Also, I don't sit well with their logic to abuse alts because "Pkers are asshats". Havercroft is a blight on all of Malton. I will never go back because of the amount of zerging players in the area. I ran a group in Ackland and quickly found out just how bad it was. --{{User:Bonghit420/sig}} 06:54, 14 July 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes'''- I remember squad zulu back when i started, a time when i once left my character outside overnight for a number of days with no worry of dying.  Before "closing doors" and "barricading" were even thought of :p --[[User:Rizo299|Rizo299]] 18:38, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
#'''No''' - Zerging is bad, k?--{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 20:04, 16 July 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - I remember these guys.  Most of the earlier groups are historical by virtue of their being groups at all.  --[[User:Ron Burgundy|Ron Burgundy]] 17:37, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
#ZERG RUSH KEKEKEKEKE!!! --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 09:38, 17 July 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Even I've heard of them.--[[User:Labine50|Labine50]] <sup>'''[[Malton Hospitals Group|MHG]]'''</sup><nowiki>|</nowiki><sup>'''[[MEMS]]'''</sup> 06:47, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
#'''Against''' - Zergers don't deserve to be remembered... Whenever I see a zerger I take my axe and chop off their head >:] --[[User:Zensaga|Zensaga]] 13:41, 17 July 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - I remember them. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[ The Caiger Resistance Front|CRF]] [[ DORIS]] [[Witch Burners|Hunt!]]</sup> 23:41, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
#'''Against''' - Fuck, Cyadora had seriously managed to fool me back then. Unless she really was  40 year old with kids... --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 23:43, 17 July 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - They were much talked about in those early days when I started out. Maybe none of the noobs know anything about them, but hey, that's because they're ''history''. Whether they did anything or not is irrelivant. They could have had no active members for all I care, they had a strong presence in early UD. [[User:Smelly wet fish|Smelly wet fish]] 23:43, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
#: I think she really was, Thad. --[[User:Jsrbrunty|Jsrbrunty]] 17:10, 18 July 2010 (BST)
#'''No''', fuck off.--{{User:Drawde/Sig}} 17:33, 18 July 2010 (BST)
#'''Against''' - Zergs don't deserve recognition.--[[User:KyleStyle|KyleStyle]] 01:11, 21 July 2010 (BST)
#'''Against''' - Having looked into it, there appears to have been quite a bit of zerging going on with the CC. There have been plenty of groups that did more than you without having to stoop to cheating. --[[User:Shatari|Shatari]] 01:05, 24 July 2010 (BST)


===[[Ars Requiem]]===
===[[101st Airborne Unit]]===
Many long time players should recognize the signifacance of this once great Zombie Group. --{{User:Max Grivas/sig}} 17:00, 4 October 2006 (BST)
Apperentlly I have to do this because I was checking up on old memories and the [[101st Airborne Unit]] is only listed at Inactive. The 101st was very historic. Considering in 06' and 07' we took back nummerous malls and even played a main role in taking back creedy once. I, And about 3 other people are the only surviviors of when we disbanded. We have now formed the 82nd Airborne Division and most people don't even remember The Subtle little 101st Airborne Unit. Well I'm going to change that, I nominate the 101st for historical status!--{{User:Jerrel Yokotory/signature}}. 20:27, 15 June 2010 (BST)
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#'''Yes''' --{{User:Max Grivas/sig}} 17:00, 4 October 2006 (BST)
====Yes (101st)====
#'''Yes''' - <s>I'll wait until confirmation of Marie's claim.</s> Then again, if they're operating under a new name and are not claiming ties to their old group, doesn't that make Ars Requiem a defunct group by default? {{User:Xoid/sig}} 17:13, 4 October 2006 (BST)
#'''I am Jerrel, And the 101st deserves this.''' Of course I'm going to vote yes. Let's just hope everyone else feels the same way.--{{User:Jerrel Yokotory/signature}}. 20:42, 15 June 2010 (BST)
#: Well I was thinking about that a few days back. Techinally I suppose it does mean that but well I'm confusing myself now but well if its the same group under different name isn't it the same? --[[User:Marie|''Marie'']]<sup>''[[The Grove]]''</sup> 16:28, 13 October 2006 (BST)
#--[[User:Dunstan Smit|Dunstan]] 20:44, 15 June 2010 (BST)
#<s>'''No''' - Ars Requiem have not split up, I repeat they have not ended. They have taken to undercover operations under the name of [[Zombie Inc.]]. or the group name Z-Team. Their talk pages have 'conversions between them' but they are the same people. I've spent hours looking into it after they invaded [[Judgewood]] months ago under a different group names pretending to be part of 5punk. --[[User:Marie|''Marie'']]<sup>''[[The Grove]]''</sup> 17:21, 4 October 2006 (BST)</s> '''Yes''' - Well what I say is true but I can see peoples point of view that if its under a new name then this one isn't active so I withdraw and I'm changing my vote for it :) --[[User:Marie|''Marie'']]<sup>''[[The Grove]]''</sup> 18:10, 16 October 2006 (BST)
#'''Yes''' Vague echoey recollection. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:38, 16 June 2010 (BST)
#:Are you certain? Try asking them directly, tell them why you're asking of course, and report back. {{User:Xoid/sig}} 17:25, 4 October 2006 (BST)
#'''Yes''' If I remember correctly you guys had a presence in Peppardville around 2006, meets my definition of a "known group in section of suburb where their influence was seen" - [[User:Vantar|Vantar]] 07:23, 17 June 2010 (BST)
#:: Well I can show you some of the private stuff [[The Grove]] found on this, Its dodgy but it does match up. I'd love to ask Ars Requiem if they are part of Zombie Inc. but hell they know I know and they've never denied it. Amyone know how to contact Ars Requeim because have no idea how we found this stuff. To save space and stuff on this in case it ends up being really long I'll put it on my talk page now. --[[User:Marie|''Marie'']]<sup>''[[The Grove]]''</sup> 20:10, 4 October 2006 (BST)
#'''Yes''' [[User:Private Jedidiah|Jed]] 8:54, 24 June 2010 (EST)
#'''No''' -- Well that's good enough for me.[[User:Labine50|Labine50]] <sup>'''[[Malton Hospitals Group|MHG]]'''</sup><nowiki>|</nowiki><sup>'''[[MalTel]]'''</sup> 15:11, 5 October 2006 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - '''He is Jerrel''', and that's quite enough for me. --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 19:39, 28 June 2010 (BST)  
#'''Yes''' --[[User:TheCure|TheCure]] 08:00, 6 October 2006 (BST)
#'''No'''--Whats the point?--[[User:Mayor Fitting|Mayor Fitting]] 05:11, 8 October 2006 (BST)
#'''Yes''' -- I'm going to say yes unless a member of Ars Requiem comes forward and says they are still active. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 10:53, 9 October 2006 (BST)
#'''Yes''' -- And I'll tell you why... Even if the people who were Ars Req is still active, they are not active under that name. Since that indeed means that Ars Req is not active, that means the group page is subject to deletion. Since I don't want that to happen the Ars Req page needs to be inducted into the "Historical Group" category. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 12:14, 13 October 2006 (BST)
#'''Yes''' As Conndraka.  --[[User:Ron Burgundy|Ron Burgundy]] 07:22, 14 October 2006 (BST)
#'''Yes''' I had some good times in East Boundwood with these guys running around back in the day. Good times. -- [[User:Alan Watson|Alan Watson]] <sup>[[User_talk:Alan_Watson|T]]·[[Ridleybank Resistance Front|R]][[Philosophe Knights|P]][[Malton Telephone|M]]</sup> 19:03, 15 October 2006 (BST)  
#'''Yes''' Heard enough stories--[[User:Agent White|Agent White]]<sup> [[User:Undeadinator/WTFCENTAURS|WTF]]•[[Project Welcome|W!]]•[[Sacred Ground Policy|SGP]]•[[CMS-Meta]]•[[CMS]]</sup> 02:44, 15 October 2006 (BST)
#'''Yes''' No new offensives or news since 2/06, and the page itself says they are fairly inactive. [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 00:11, 17 October 2006 (BST)


:Voting Failed. (less than 15 votes) --{{User:Max Grivas/sig}} 20:24, 24 October 2006 (BST)
====No (101st)====
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#'''Nay.''' The 101st ''what''? --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 21:42, 15 June 2010 (BST)
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#:Airborne Unit. ;P -- <small>[[User:Rorybob| <span style="color: #FF9933">Rahrah</span>]] [[Lexicon talk:Survival| <span style="color: #FF9933">is not too happy about another dead lexicon.</span>]]</small> 22:00, 15 June 2010 (BST)
# Maybe if they were the 1st, but if there were 100 others before them they can't really be that special. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 21:43, 15 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Nay''' - I would've never heard of them if I didn't make a point of maintaining the formatting of the suburb group listings. I'm afraid I've never seen any effects that they've caused or have heard of anyone working alongside them or commending them for their efforts. Really, this is the very first time I've ever heard anyone talk about them at all. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:17, 15 June 2010 (BST)
#'''As Above''' --{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 22:18, 15 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' -THE 101ST HAS OFFICIALLY DISBANDED FOR SECURITY REASONS! It is now called 82nd Airborne Division.--{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 22:23, 15 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' -as Michaleson --{{User:Bonghit420/sig}} 22:28, 15 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Spam''' - But thanks for helping make the point as to why "The groups leader wants it to be historical, then why shouldn't we let him." --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 00:22, 16 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - Did nothing. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 00:45, 16 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - Not this guy again. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 02:23, 16 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - ''"I, and about 3 other people are the only surviviors of when we disbanded. We have now formed the 82nd Airborne Division"''. Those are your words, which to me sounds like there was something about the 101st that made you want to change the name to the 82nd. Personally, I don't even care what the reasons are because that tells me that the group isn't really dead--just shambling along under a new guise. And quite obviously slouching because as Aichon above, if I did not stalk suburb pages I wouldn't have even heard of the 101st. --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 08:14, 16 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - Who? [[User:Oidar|Oidar]] 11:44, 16 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - yet another sack of crap did nothing group. what have you unimaginative idiots done to impact the game in any way? ZERO! wow you retook some malls.. holy shit thats never been done before. GAME OVER MAN! your group page is not getting deleted. why all these turds crawling out from under rocks to get into historical status all of a sudden?----[[User:Sexualharrison|sexualharrison]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] ¯\([[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]])/¯ 13:31, 16 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - As Oidar. --{{User:N0RDAK/Sig}} 17:22, 16 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - Nein.  Group is subjectively not historical enough to be an historical group. --[[User:Zarneverfike|Zarneverfike]] 19:11, 16 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - [[User:Hibernaculum|Hibernaculum]] 20:23, 16 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - I never even ''heard'' of this group before. The only reason I saw this is because I was looking at the Escape nomination. All this group did was, quote: ''"took back nummerous malls and even played a main role in taking back creedy once."'' Sorry but that's nothing special. --[[User:FallUpStairs|FallUpStairs]] 21:23, 16 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - First, seems to me that you just changed the name of the group. And as most people here, never heard of you. Taking back some malls and a fort once doesn't make you historical. --[[User:KyleStyle|KyleStyle]] 22:40, 16 June 2010 (BST)
#I heard of you, but you didn't really do much to warrant a Historical status. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} ({{User:Axe Hack/Stat}}) 01:55, 17 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - No offense, but I'm not seeing anything significant in your group's resume. --[[User:Shatari|Shatari]] 06:19, 17 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - I remember the 101st Airborne. He was stupid. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 I jizzed in my pants]  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 03:10, 22 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - I remember you guys, but you're not influential enough.--{{User:Drawde/Sig}} 16:13, 22 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - Who are these guys? --[[User:Jorm|jorm]] 08:00, 23 June 2010 (BST)
#:Seems to me like most of you are too young in this game and ignorent to even remember who we are considering we disbanded in 2007.--{{User:Jerrel Yokotory/signature}}. 22:42, 23 June 2010 (BST)
#::No. And learn to format, for GODS sake. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 23:40, 23 June 2010 (BST)
#::Yeah, because Sonny, Jorm and Moloch are all newbs.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 23:48, 23 June 2010 (BST)
#::: I said MOST. Most of the people who would have supported this have either quit a long time ago, Or are laying flat dead outside the woodbourne building. And most of these "no" votes are from people who have nothing better to do than spam "no" about groups that were disbanded LONGGGG befor they even joined this game.--{{User:Jerrel Yokotory/signature}}. 00:11, 24 June 2010 (BST)
#::::Whinge much? {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 00:15, 24 June 2010 (BST)
#::::No, it's about you trying to promote one group from a big piece of homogeneous shit demographic of groups, all of which are "1000TH AIRBOURNE MILITARY BATTALION CORPS PEACE ANTI ZOMBIE FORCE 36TH BRIGADE INFANTRY SWAT CORPS SPECIAL OPS" and never really got anywhere and no one recognises, let alone remembers. And what the fuck, even by your logic, your group doesn't stand the test of time. You cry because it won't make '''historical''' because no one remembers is and those that do aren't around to vote it in. If it were historical, by definition it wouldn't have the problem of disappearing into the pages of history without anyone remembering it. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 05:19, 24 June 2010 (BST)
#::::Why would you say it in response to jorm unless it was in directed at him? Don't try to weasel out now with that "most" crap. As for the rest of your excuse, I accidentally kicked a bouncy ball into another kid's head during recess on January 25th, 1993. Don't ask me why I remember that, but it stuck with me. I can hear you asking now, "why should I care about that?" Well, just as my playground mistake from 17 years ago is of no historical importance to anyone else, the same can be said of your group. If your group ever ''was'' that important, you ''should'' have put them up for historical status back in 2007. As it is, you have '''no''' room to complain since you knew what you were getting into when you nominated the group. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 13:20, 24 June 2010 (BST)
#:::::Sure, Go ahead and call us a, what did you call it? A..."big piece of homogeneous shit demographic of a group?" I mean, I GUESS that's cool of you to do. But, Either way....--{{User:Jerrel Yokotory/signature}}. 13:48, 24 June 2010 (BST)
#::::::Uhh...try again. I didn't call you that. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 13:56, 24 June 2010 (BST)
#::::::: Not you Aichon, Your reason was somewhat legitimate and funny. I also have question, Are we alowwed to re-nominate?--{{User:Jerrel Yokotory/signature}}. 13:59, 24 June 2010 (BST)
#:::::::: #5, at the top. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 14:11, 24 June 2010 (BST)
#::::::::: *facepalm* KK thnxs--{{User:Jerrel Yokotory/signature}}. 14:15, 24 June 2010 (BST)
#:::::::::: If you re-nominate it twice more I'll vote yes--{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 21:31, 24 June 2010 (BST)
#::::::::::: Why? And I'll keep re-nominating it until it gets accepted.--{{User:Jerrel Yokotory/signature}}. 22:07, 24 June 2010 (BST)
#:::::::::::: Lawl. Who knows, if everyone won't bother voting no after a while, your persistence might pay off. (but really, don't do that)--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 22:22, 24 June 2010 (BST)
#:::::::::::::I'd advise you to remember that there's already significant precedent for treating repeated misuse of nomination systems as vandalism. Give it its fair chance but don't press the issue simply to game the system. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:41, 24 June 2010 (BST)
#Never heard of you. =/ -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:02, 24 June 2010 (BST)


===[[Escape]]===
I was told I had to do this through here, but I'll keep it short. [[Escape]] is over - it was always designed to end on June 1, something that was heavily advertised throughout the duration of the movement. If you could pass me on this so I can go ahead and start writing my memoirs, I'd be most appreciative. -[[User:CaptainVideo|Captain Video]] 05:56, 3 June 2010 (BST)


Many of these groups still exist. Historical Groups are only for Groups that No longer exist.
====Yes (Escape)====
Someone needs to set a policy for this. --[[User:Rogue|Rogue]] 09:52, 8 July 2006 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Definitely one of the most interesting and highly publicised events in a looooooooong time. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 06:10, 3 June 2010 (BST)
:I'm wondering aabout the validity of this category too. Some of these groups I've never heard of before today. --{{User:Mia Kristos/sig}} 01:49, 24 July 2006 (BST)
#'''Hell yes''' - Absolutely. --{{User:Hashk/sig}} 06:22, 3 June 2010 (BST)
::Because they're old...? [[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[User:Undeadinator/WTFCENTAURS|WTF]]</sup> 01:51, 24 July 2006 (BST)
#'''Oh, hell yes''' - Lots of publicity, huge turnout, unfortunate results. --[[User:TheBardofAwesome|TheBardofAwesome]] 06:41, 3 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Same reasons as DDR. {{User:UnholyReign/Sig}} 06:52, 3 June 2010 (BST)
#:{{s|'''Yes''' - It was interesting and even though I did not participate, the numbers were large enough that it deserves a mention. --[[User:Travis Wells|Travis Wells]]}} <smalL> not signed properly --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 08:42, 3 June 2010 (BST)</small>
#'''Yes''' - Most certainly. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 08:31, 3 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes, yes and thrice yes''' - twas verily bloody good fun, m'lud. <span style="font-family: Segoe Script, Comic Sans MS, sans-serif;text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.4em">[[User:Chief Seagull|<span style="color: green;">Chief&nbsp;Seagull</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Chief Seagull|<small>squawk</small>]]</span> 09:04, 3 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' Events do not need to be successful to be historical and anything that gathers that many brains into one big buffet most certainly counts as significant! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 10:09, 3 June 2010 (BST)
#:<s>'''Incredibly Weak Yes''' - I'd prefer it to be a historical event, in all honesty, but I don't see why it can't be both (assuming someone makes a page for the event).--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 10:51, 3 June 2010 (BST)</s> Changin' mah vote.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 11:27, 3 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Largest group on the stats page by far in a good while, lots of publicity, and clearly significant by the numbers that turned up on both sides --[[User:ORakoon|ORakoon]] 11:49, 3 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Utter failure but a good try--{{User:Imthatguy/sig}} 12:44, 3 June 2010 (BST)
#:<s>'''Weak Yes''' - Has been definitively the most significant event this year so far. (Of course, the opposition consists of the umpteenth Battle of Krinks and St. Aiden's zerg army trying to reclaim Ridleybank, so this isn't really a badge to be proud of.) --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 12:54, 3 June 2010 (BST)</s> Screw that, others are right. We need a NPoV page on the event and cover that as historic, not that group. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 18:55, 10 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - A historic fail, but historic none-the-less.  [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 13:13, 3 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - There's a blurred line between an event and a group that sets itself a time-limited objective/reason to exist/whatever, but this doesn't count against it as a historical group IMO. Escape had good flavour (lol), a new idea, a large following and a large zombie response. Historical. Yes. [[User:Garum|Garum]] 13:17, 3 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Without a bloody doubt, Yes''' - The sheer momentum it picked up in such a short space of time, and given that it came from absolutely nothing in the first place, people are gonna remember this. Anyone who was there saw the numbers present, both inside and out after the zeds came. PK'ers came, BH'ers came... it was ''the'' place to be. And for a while, there was an atmosphere of excited hope buzzing around the place, something the game had been lacking for too long. F'kin yes man. GG Escape, GG. [[Image:Clap.gif]]  {{User:Kempy/sig}} 14:30, 3 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' As Kempy. [[User:Oidar|Oidar]] 15:09, 3 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' I don't see why not. As a group, the largest I have ever seen, by the way, it was one of the more bizarre moments of Urban Dead. It certainly deserves to be remembered, though perhaps under events as opposed to groups? --[[User:The Prophet of Life|The Prophet of Life]] 19:01, 3 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - It deserves it. [[User:Mesousa|Mesousa]] 19:39, 3 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Obviously. --[[User:Armpit Odor|<span style="color:red"><sup>A</sup><span style="color:green"><sub>O</sub><span style="color:red"><sup>R</sup><span style="color:green"><sub>D</sub><span style="color:red"><sup>M</sup><span style="color:green"><sub>O</sub><span style="color:red"><sup>P</sup><span style="color:green"><sub>R</sub><span style="color:red"><sup>I</sup><span style="color:green"><sub> ! </sub><span style="color:red"><sup>T</sup></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>]] 21:02, 3 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Hell, I knew, without a doubt, that this would end in nothing but a complete and total zombie massacre, and yet there were enough people involved and enough interest raised that I lemminged right along. [[User:InvincibleZombie|InvincibleZombie]] 21:32, 3 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Fo shizzle homey.  --{{User:Quentin Julius/Sig2}} 23:12, 3 June 2010 (BST)
#'''I am Captain Video, and I was torn limb from limb for my cause.''' And I suppose I'm allowed one vote; I just didn't want to be first. That would have been tacky. -[[User:CaptainVideo|Captain Video]] 05:03, 4 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Got an old fart's attention :P --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 05:48, 4 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Of course, not putting that event on Historical Page would be just insane. [[User:GoLookAndKill|GoLookAndKill]] <sup><u>[[CFT]]</u></sup> 10:28, 4 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - I see the point with event rather than group, but [[On_Strike]] is a historical group, thus Escape fits in this category as well. --[[User:Cruzz|Cruzz]] 12:05, 4 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Cruzz makes a good point--{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 12:09, 4 June 2010 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - It made me play again, however shortly. I've been getting a lot of game news through a friend in my hangout channel over the years, this was the first that made me want to return and be part of something, even if it failed miserably. &rarr; So pretty much what DDR said. [[User:Pinkgothic|pinkgothic]] 13:40, 4 June 2010 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - I had fun attempting to escape from Malton, it got me more interested in this game. It also got me eaten. It should definetly be a historical group. --{{User:Drunk_Link2500/sig}} 14:37, 4 June 2010 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - It should remind us that bad ideas have bad endings. --[[User:Colette Hart|Colette Hart]] 18:58, 4 June 2010 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - pretty epic stuff--{{User:Rictor_Stilwell/sig}} 03:35, 5 June 2010 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - It was a ton of fun and quite memorable. They came, we saw, we conquered. ^_^ --[[User:Shatari|Shatari]] 03:38, 5 June 2010 (BST)
# '''yes please!''' it actually gave me a reason for playing this game. Even if it ended in a massive bloodshed with dead bodies piled up to the ceiling, it still rocked :) --{{User:Jack_Kolt/Sig}} 05:34, 5 June 2010 (BST)
# '''YES''' - A great group with potential to perhaps one day change the game? --[[User:JohnGGeo|JohnGGeo]] 05:42, 5 June 2010 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - Great event, really shows how fun it can be when heaps of people are together. --[[User:Dorsalus|Dorsalus]] 08:39, 5 June 2010 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - We finally did something different! We tried to Escape the game. Even though it didn't work and our dreams were crushed. --[[User:FallUpStairs|FallUpStairs]] 13:07, 5 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - --{{User:Jordan Salafack/sig}} 15:31, 5 June 2010 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - It might not have been successful, but the effort, the fun idea and the number of people involved reminded me of the good old mass events we had when last I played, back in '06. [[User:Furniture|Furniture]] 17:27, 5 June 2010 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - Of course this was one of the biggest things that I have seen in my whole time playing.--[[User:Sybertronic|Sybertronic]] 20:22, 5 June 2010 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - Epic Fail, but was worth it.[[User:Noxaarmi|Noxaarmi]] 20:43, 5 June 2010 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - Yes, it was a imaginative effort to do something new and fun in the game, and in that it was a big success. [[User:Marcel Swann|Marcel Swann]] 22:54, 5 June 2010 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - It put some life back into the game and it was fun, I am for making it a historical event just for that reason.--[[User:Truezombieboy|Truezombieboy]] 05:02, 6 June 2010 (BST)
# '''Yes''' - Although the coordination was pathetic, and many were slaughtered, it was an excellent group and event. In little over a month, this group was able to gain 400+ members. It's double the size of RRF, but only ran up until June 1st. Even though nothing was accomplished, either because the zombies had overtaken Ellicott or because Kevan didn't care, its a historic group nonetheless.--[[User:SykoKiller666|SykoKiller666]] 14:50, 6 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Hell Yeah''' - I pked 3 Escapists and destroyed the generator in [[The Woodborne Building]], and I must say, they've gained my respect, sitting ducks as they were. --[[User:Sam 2334|Sam 2334]] 14:54, 6 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Easily the most interesting thing I've done on UD (Admittedly it's the first major thing I've done, but meh) --[[User:Remnant Matt|Remnant Matt]] 15:07, 6 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' yes yes yes --{{User:Lady Clitoria/Sig}} 01:48, 7 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' Yes, the first attempt by humans to try to change the game with lots of people that showed up. --{{User:Robkiller}} 7:19 7 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' It was an interesting idea, and attracted the attention of many players. Plus, it's a nice tragic tale. [[User:Toffey|Toffey]] 03:22, 7 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' Other "crusades" in history did not achieve their goals but were even more "historical" for all that, for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Crusade --[[User:Belisarius17|Belisarius17]] 04:37, 7 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' They kinda had an effect even if it wasn't the desired one.--{{User:ZIPO/sig}} 06:49, 7 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' It was treated as a group, albeit a loosely associated one, and something did happen, even if it was a far cry from the intended result. --[[User:Austin hunt|Austin hunt]] 15:45, 7 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' I died, like many others, but it was the first time I've felt involved in something big in the game in a while. Would've preferred it if the zombie hordes hadn't arrived and eaten everything, but oh well. Since then I've been infected, and returned to zombie form twice!--[[User:Hynzytheweirdo|Hynzytheweirdo]] 23:28 7 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' I, accidental creator of Escape, would love it if it become a historical group.  The group created a large movement that has in fact caused a few changes.  Also, it would be really cool if something I started was forever remembered in internet history.--[[User:Superathen|Superathen]] 01:18, 8 June 2010 (BST)
#:Am I the only one who missed these few changes Escape caused? --{{User:N0RDAK/Sig}} 05:57, 8 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Oh Yes yes yes''' Definetly. If it's not mafde historical, then George Washington shouldn't be. --[[User:Justinbronze|Justinbronze]] 03:07, 8 June 2010 (BST)<br>
#:Unless I'm missing something, George Washington was more person than event...  Which, now that I think about it, makes him more suited as a group, wouldn't you say?  ;-)  --[[User:Liche|Liche]] 21:00, 8 June 2010 (BST)
#'''14 Yeses''' On behalf of the entire 82nd Airborne division we all say yes to the historical satus of Escape. That's 14 yeses.--{{User:Jerrel Yokotory/signature}}. 20:18, 8 June 2010 (BST)
#:If you could have the other 13 sign, I'd really appreciate it. -[[User:CaptainVideo|Captain Video]] 02:29, 9 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' Even though it failed, it still sent reverberations throughout the game. It unified 500+ people, and is one of the largest groups/ events in Urbandead history. Just because something doesn't succeed or change things doesn't mean it shouldn't be historical - like a German land war in Russia during the winter. We all learn about that in history class, don't we?--[[User:Alevins|alevins]] 04:49, 9 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' The fail is irrelevant. It was an eye catching event and impacted the game. --[[User:Jesussante|Jesus Sante]] 12:56, 9 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - Shit was ''so'' cash--{{User:OrangeGaf/Sig}} 03:42, 10 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yea''' - Definitely historical, even if only as a "Hey, remember when all stood in a railway station praying for Kevan to rapture us away?" kind of thing. [[User:Wil Truman|Wil Truman]] 18:09, 10 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - The groups leader wants it to be historical, then why shouldn't we let him. --{{user:Monkey See monkey Do/sig}} 16:01, 12 June 2010 (BST)
#:My fictional group has two people in it and once repaired a building. I'm the group leader. Can we be historical too? {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:22, 12 June 2010 (BST)
#::Pfffft, your group smells like feet. [[Wolf Pack|My group]], however, had a massive effect on the game, and should already be remembered by all. ''We'' should be historical. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 21:47, 12 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Of Course''' It had effect, even though it failed, it managed to unify +400 people, so yes. --[[User:LaZaH|LaZaH]] 18:13, 13 June 2010 (BST)
# "'''Definitely, yes.''' It failed but at least it was interesting. Actually got me back to the game. I'm still lying dead there. Waiting for the end... " [[User:Kylac|Kylac]] 20:25, 13 June 2010 (BST)
# '''Yes.''' it was very good.  [[User:Matias Gray|Matias Gray]] 18:16, 14 June 2010 (BST)
# '''Yea''' There was so much talk about the great Escape that people from all over Malton came to the event. It may have failed, but the participants gave it their best shot, so they should be remembered. [[User:Canis Caeli|Canis Caeli]] 6:44, 15 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yea''' - the group cause the event. Which was a significant note in the timeline. Therefore, the group is historical. Much like Adolf Hitler is historical, for being someone involved in one of the protagonists in the second world war. Flawless logic, right there. :3 -- <small>[[User:Rorybob| <span style="color: #FF9933">Rahrah</span>]] [[Lexicon talk:Survival| <span style="color: #FF9933">is not too happy about another dead lexicon.</span>]]</small> 21:55, 15 June 2010 (BST)
#:Your mum is flawless logic. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 21:58, 15 June 2010 (BST)
#::You mean his face! Oh yeah, flawless comeback! --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 00:22, 16 June 2010 (BST)
#:::I believe the word your looking for, as the flawless comeback of all time is "YOU'RE flawless logic." -- <small>[[User:Rorybob| <span style="color: #FF9933">Rahrah</span>]] [[Lexicon talk:Survival| <span style="color: #FF9933">is not too happy about another dead lexicon.</span>]]</small> 17:37, 16 June 2010 (BST)
#:More like how the Jews aren't historical, because, despite being majorly involved in WW2, they're still around in abundance and didn't achieve their aim to be not massacred.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 08:11, 16 June 2010 (BST)
#::The Jews who died in the holocaust are remembered, and shall be for a long time, because they were the ones who suffered most due to the Holocaust. (As will the Nazis who were the perpetrators.) However, those that had less to do with the event, like the Romani and the Slavs are less remembered. Much like if one were to be asked about the event Escape, the first group that would come to mind would be "Escape", rather than "No Escape" or "That huge group of zombies that ruined it for everyone". This will probably be moved to the talk page soon. -- <small>[[User:Rorybob| <span style="color: #FF9933">Rahrah</span>]] [[Lexicon talk:Survival| <span style="color: #FF9933">is not too happy about another dead lexicon.</span>]]</small> 17:37, 16 June 2010 (BST)
#:::Can we just agree that you ''all'' lose at logic because of [[wikipedia:Godwin's Law|Godwin's Law]]? {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 18:08, 16 June 2010 (BST)
#::::I was waiting for someone to realise... ;) -- <small>[[User:Rorybob| <span style="color: #FF9933">Rahrah</span>]] </small> 18:12, 16 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - For the record I think this entire category is retarted.  But my "no" vote from earlier was only with the intention of getting one of you apparently too lazy 400+ people to write a brief analysis of what happened to your group, so future generations could look on the historical page and have an idea what it was all about.  The fact that a group of 400 people can't muster a single individual with the wiki-fu to properly memorialize their own passing is a shame.  Sigh.  But anyways I never intended to deny this worthy group of the historical status that it deserves.  Good luck and I hope the extra vote helps. :) --{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 01:45, 16 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Yes''' - A bit of a toss-up, but I think the group and event are historical, even if they failed. --[[User:Zarneverfike|Zarneverfike]] 19:11, 16 June 2010 (BST)


I would nominate the original CoL for this category, but they don't really fit the 'had a big effect on the game' category. They did, however, have a big impact on the unofficial forums and gave the impression of having an effect, so perhaps they should be included. [[User:Blooskull|notthemilkybarkid]] 19:34, 10 August 2006 (BST)
====No (Escape)====
:Well, I think the "New" CoL would qualify as a Historical Group, and they were created because of the Original CoL.  I say yes. --{{User:Mia Kristos/sig}} 00:25, 11 August 2006 (BST)
#'''Why?''' - I'm leaning towards a yes for the reasons DDR mentioned, but aside from being highly publicised I'm not really seeing any effects from the event. You know, aside from a whole lot of zombies in one place, which was funny as hell. --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 06:39, 3 June 2010 (BST)
::The original CoL is apparently back so they are no longer historical. [[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[User:Undeadinator/WTFCENTAURS|WTF]] [[The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[Assault on Stupid Survivors|ASS]]</sup> 02:28, 21 August 2006 (BST)
#:I understand your point, but events this big are few and far between nowadays. In fact, that's an understatement, since as far as I know, this is the largest gathering of people I've heard of in two years, since [[March of The Dead]] and the apparent [[Battle of Barhapolis]]. In a game where numbers are declining and group actions en masse aren't as spectacular (particular in roleplaying value), I found this thrilling and exciting. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 07:30, 3 June 2010 (BST)
#::Your word: event. This ''group'' was less than impressive and failed to change anything about the way the game was played. The ''event'' they were at was much bigger than just their group, which is what makes the event historical, even though the group is not. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 11:33, 3 June 2010 (BST)
#:::Personally I think the exact opposite. As an event it was shit, I just sat there and listened to spam and then got PK'd and died. The group is what was original. Now we are just butting heads about opinions though so let's agree to disagree since we've both made points for and against yeah? --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 11:36, 3 June 2010 (BST)
#::::I can agree to that. I think I viewed the event differently since I was on the outside looking in, rather than the inside looking out, as you were. For us zombies, this was the best eating we've had in awhile, and the most fun too, since almost all of the big groups showed up in force. Lots of joint strike operations and the like make for lots of fun. :) {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 11:41, 3 June 2010 (BST)
#:<s>'''No/Abstain''' - It's absolutely a historical group/event, but I'd like to see something on the page which details what happened.  Now that the 1st and 2nd have come and gone, perhaps some of the people who participated can write up a little "post-event analysis".  Then I'll happily vote yes.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 09:03, 3 June 2010 (BST)</s> changing vote to yes.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 01:34, 16 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - I feel that the ''event'' was HUGELY significant and should definitely be considered historical (see [[:Category_talk:Historical_Events|here]]), but the group itself failed to change the game at all and didn't do anything of significance aside from get together in one place and get themselves (along with everyone and everything else in a 10 block radius) killed by hungry zombies. Had they actually succeeded at their objectives, possibly even their secondary one of committing mass suicide by jumping, I might change my mind, but they didn't. Also, with 414 members still active in the group, that makes it far and away the largest in the game right now, so I think it's still too early to consider the group beyond the point of actively contributing (as the rules at the top of this page require). I know that's a bit of a technicality, but it's just one reason for my vote amongst several. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 11:25, 3 June 2010 (BST)
#:Typically groups made for a one-time purpose go into historical groups not events. Eg. [[Category_talk:Historical_Groups/SucceededArchive#Blackmore_Bastard_Brigade|BBB]], and more likening to Escape itself, [[Category_talk:Historical_Groups/SucceededArchive#Pre_voting_Historical_Groups|On strike]]. Just like Big Bash (which didn't really "change the game" besides be a horde but is still with my former examples in Historical Groups category), it's just the thing we do, I guess. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 11:32, 3 June 2010 (BST)
#::But if it's an event, then we avoid No Escape requesting the same thing. They'd both be pinned down under the same name.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 11:33, 3 June 2010 (BST)
#:::On Strike actually succeeded though, and as I said, had Escape succeeded, I may have changed my vote (likely would have). As for likening it to other events, why not the famous sieges and the like that are mentioned over [[:Category_talk:Historical_Events|here]]? This was essentially the biggest and shortest siege in recent history, after all. Yonnua also makes a good point about it covering all of the groups if it's an event. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 11:36, 3 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - Like my vote up there in the yes column says, it was very weak, and Aichon's changed my mind. As Aichon, and as I said before, but with much more frowny-face. >:( --{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 11:28, 3 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - This seems more like an event to me, and didn't actually change anything within the game. I supported the effort, but I don't think it deserves enshrinement like this given its eventual lack of any impact. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 15:24, 3 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Hahahahahahahaha! Oh, wait. You're serious? Let me laugh harder. Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!''' -  They didn't do shit other than get trolled to death. And they certainly didn't accomplish anything. And like Aichon said, the event might be historical, but the group isn't. The group is just a footnote on the event's historical page in my opinion. - {{User:Goribus/Sig}} 21:23, 3 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - Event, yes. Group, no. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 00:28, 4 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Event''' - I worry that No Escape will be left out otherwise, and they played a big role. Besides, I infected DDR, one of the most eventful attacks of my career. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 00:29, 4 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Fuck no''' - As a group, their only virtue was numbers. They did everything that a group could do wrong and that's including them not achieving their stated goals. The amount of fail in Escape as a group is immeasurable with currently manufactured equipment. As a historical event? I'd give it a second thought before voting "no" again. I'm not knocking it as something fun, just on every other possible level. --[[User:Johnny Bass|Papa Johnny]] 05:51, 4 June 2010 (BST)
#:A whole mess of people died? That doesn't count? I mean yes, it was a failure, but it was pretty spectacular. Like watching a rocket blow up on the launchpad. -[[User:CaptainVideo|Captain Video]] 02:37, 9 June 2010 (BST)
#'''Fuck No''' – As [[User:JohnnyBass|JB]], [[User:Aichon|Aich']], [[User:The Hierophant|Moloch]]. <small>(See also: Bandwagon? <tt>:P</tt>)</small> {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 07:07, 4 June 2010 (BST)
#'''triple massive fuck no''' as above. since when do we reward massive fail? maybe as an event. this needs to be forgotten.----[[User:Sexualharrison|sexualharrison]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] ¯\([[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]])/¯ 17:51, 4 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - Escape as a group failed as already mentioned, all they had were numbers and an idea. A huge part of what made the event fun was the zombies and PKers who showed up, and they are given little mention on the Escape group page. You're glorifying the failing element of a much larger thing. Make an event page, tell of all who were there and all that happened. --{{User:N0RDAK/Sig}} 18:06, 4 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - As Moloch! --[[User:Akbar|Akbar]] 18:23, 4 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - If you actually went by the original intent of the Escape page, you should have walked away from the game as of June 2nd. Since you are here requesting that the page be put up for a historical group, it's obvious that you didn't quit the game. As such, we shouldn't reward a tantrum with Historical status. I did make [[Template:WaaEscape|a template]] for the occasion. Enjoy. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 19:40, 4 June 2010 (BST)
#:No, I concede failure with no clauses. I simply believe this deserves to be remembered. As Goethe put it, "Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it." -[[User:CaptainVideo|Captain Video]] 02:37, 9 June 2010 (BST)
#::Which would make it a Historical '''Event''' and not a Historical '''Group'''. Even then, I will still vote against, as the members who participated as a protesting survivor were not actually going to quit the game, thus making the whole exercise a giant circle-jerk of futility. If you and the others had actually gone through with it and someone else put up the event, I would have considered voting for, as it actually did stir people to do things. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:26, 11 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' for being one of the whiniest and zergiest "groups" since the Children of the Darque?  Bugger off--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 19:43, 4 June 2010 (BST)
#:Prove whininess. Prove zerging. -[[User:CaptainVideo|Captain Video]] 02:37, 9 June 2010 (BST)
#::Wish [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Escape&diff=prev&oldid=1701309 Granted]! As for zerging, consider it  [[Talk:Escape#Zergers.3F|Proved]]. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:35, 11 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' Massive incompetence and stupidity does not qualify a group for historical status. Even the event itself was ill conceived and not really all that significant. --[[User:Grogh|Grogh]] 22:41, 4 June 2010 (BST)
#:[[FedCom:_Urban_Dead|Actually..]] - [[User:Whitehouse]] 11:48, 5 June 2010 (BST)
#::Haha  yeah, no reason to make '''another''' mistake! --[[User:Grogh|Grogh]] 02:35, 6 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' It's all been said. The value was in the event, not the group. If we're going to recognise anything, we should recognise the correct thing. -- [[User:Bisfan|Bisfan]] 00:23, 5 June 2010 (BST)
#:But there isn't a separate category for that. -[[User:CaptainVideo|Captain Video]] 02:37, 9 June 2010 (BST)
#::[[:Category:Historical Events]] much? {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 02:51, 9 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' As Aichon [[Big Bash 3|<span style="color: #FF0000; font-size: 80%">&hearts;</span>]] [[User:MoonShine|<span style="color:Black">'''Moonie'''</span>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:MoonShine|Talk]] | [[User:MoonShine/Testimonials|Testimonials]]</sup></small> 08:53, 5 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - It's more of an event. The poor coordination showed by survivors lessened the feel of a "group". The arrival of Zombies and PKers from practically every big group in the game was what made it an event. Suggestion - Let's get a decent event page sorted.--{{User:Drawde/Sig}} 11:23, 5 June 2010 (BST)
#I'm pretty sure that it was stated on the [[Escape]] page that they weren't really a group. - [[User:Whitehouse]] 11:48, 5 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' Akule is right on the spot. I say no, it's a historical event. -- I'm just adding on here because I don't know where else to say this :3 Something you guys should think about was this was <b>just a big fail bandwagon (Escape, I mean), everyone just went "baaa" and sheeped over to Ellicott Place Railway Station. It's no historic group</b> --{{User:Senergy/Sig}} 17:42, 5 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' It was a pretty large event but as a group Escape failed to accomplish anything whatsoever, unless you count being delicious. --[[User:Globule13|Globule13]] 02:33, 6 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' No Escape ruined the group and prevented them reaching the stated goal. If No Escape didn't be ignorant dicks, they probably would of reach their goal. therefore, yes. No Escape should be "honored" for being the group that ruined it for everyone.--[[User:Lonercs|Lonercs]] 06:05, 6 June 2010 (BST)
#:Could you be any more bitter? The break in that resulted in your downfall was 13 zombies, at first. 380 survivors failed to dump them. Any "ruining" is down to the failure of the survivors concerned. Not all of them, but the vast majority of them. And ignorant dicks? We just happen to go where the food is. :) --{{User:Drawde/Sig}} 12:54, 6 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' Was less of a group and more of a hangout for people. Doesn't fit criteria. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 I jizzed in my pants] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 09:09, 6 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - Like others, more of an event than a group. --[[User:Dr summeroff|Dr summeroff]] 17:35, 6 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' : 'Twas an event, 'tweren't a group.  --[[User:Liche|Liche]] 18:47, 6 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No'''  As whoever linked me to this page. --[[User:Shank Case|Shank Case]] 18:59, 6 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' Same reasons as Aichon and Yonnua. --[[User:Justin Scott|Justin]] 19:25, 6 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' Same reasons as Aichon --[[User:Sazzacomae|Sazzacomae]] 8:09, 6 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' Unless this nom is for most epic failure....--[[User:Agent Sandman|Agent Sandman]] 03:07, 7 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' I would love to say yes, but I'm afraid despite all the fun, energy and attention, it simply wasn't a group until the tinychat started. Even then only one in ten of the people supposedly 'in' Escape got involved. If more people gotten involved, and helped achieve of the aim of reclaiming Ellicott Place on June 1st, I would have said yes. As it is, this was a fun movement, a massive event, a great laugh, but not an Historical Group. {{User:RenegadeRomero/Sig}} 03:32, 7 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - As Snowball II --[[User:Amber Waves of Pain|Amber Waves of Pain]] 01:13, 8 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - As Snowball II --[[User:Jorm|Jorm]] 01:16, 8 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - No it was interesting thats all --[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー`)ノ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 01:23, 8 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - And I even sent my Sheana alt along for the fun and had her join up. But nothing... happened, and besides the few folks who stayed around for the hell of it and didn't, you know, stand up... it was a massive failboat. {{User:Sheana/Sig}} 08:13, 8 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - Add another mark to the "Event" tally. Nominate it where it belongs, and you'll get a begrudging yes vote from me. --{{User:Another_alias/Signature}} 20:44, 8 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' - Why should failure be met with reward? --[[User:Skoll|Skoll]] 06:53, 9 June 2010 (BST)
#:'''I'm going to throw in a quick counterargument here:'''
#::1. Events and groups are treated the same in the system (see, [[On Strike]], [[The Big Bash]], etc.). I think everyone who argues Escape's elimination from the historical record on the grounds of semantics is therefore a bit off.
#::2. I sort of get why people didn't like Escape (even though it would have tipped the game's balance in the favor of the zombies ''and'' allowed the living to 'win,' thus satisfying both sides) but does the fact that you disliked the group really disqualify i?
#::3. Escape is ''still'' the largest group in Malton, meaning that member characters, while forgetful, were and still are active in Malton. Inactive characters idle out after five days. This was ''real.'' Botched, but real.
#::4: Does the fact that the group failed truly eliminate its significance? I mean yes, a win would have been nice, but there's a difference between losing and not mattering. Escape was big enough that in drew a huge horde to a ''railway station'' and turned a green suburb red. I'd say that was entirely significant.
#::5: "They didn't do shit other than get trolled to death" isn't really an argument. And don't think I'm saying that because I'm a whiny survivor. I'm actually dead and loving it right now. I just think anybody who wants to give me flack for being lame should put as much work into telling me so as I put into one of those radio broadcasts. It's only fair.
#:-[[User:CaptainVideo|Captain Video]] 02:28, 9 June 2010 (BST)
#::Gotta say I concur. 1. [[BBB]] failed too, so what? 2. It's a shame that people from no escape are so quick to vote no because they want some recognition. Escape thought of the idea. Escape was original, you just added no at the front and griefed them. Well done, but too bad, Escape was the catalyst. This is the biggest and most talked about event in 2 years, 2 fucking years guys, the fact that the zombie players vote against en masse just because it was on the other side, and the zeds won, is a joke. And voting against it because it "should" be event just because they want to be included yet there's no event page as much from them as from the organisers of Escape, and it should be entered as a group anyway. Sigh. Having said that, I'm only disappointed that it won't be historical when IMO it should. Shit happens I guess. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 02:38, 9 June 2010 (BST)
#:::I think it's about time we nullify the policy that created Historical Groups. The whole purpose of this category was to preserve groups of worth while Crit 12 was around on A/SD, but now that Crit 12 has been nullified for some time, the only purpose the category serves is to create excess drama and waste everyone's time with these e-peen contests every few months. Historical Groups shouldn't even exist any longer. In fact... {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 02:55, 9 June 2010 (BST)
#::::I don't think we should eliminate them completely, but removing the entry criteria is not a bad idea since they don't really mean what they used to. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 03:24, 9 June 2010 (BST)
#:::::Sorry to burst your bubble DDR, but the zombies were what made it such a good time (albeit a failure, but still a Historical Event). Kevan was most likely not going to do anything to the "Escapees", and if damn near every big zombie group int he game hadn't turned up, it would have just been a huge circle jerk for a couple of weeks. As it happens, a fun time was had. Also: It's rather shitty to assume that zombie players are all voting no for some recognition, or because we were on the other side. We came to Owsleybank because brains were there. We are voting against it because the group itself was a failure. Unless your name is FedCom, failure isn't criteria.--{{User:Drawde/Sig}} 17:44, 9 June 2010 (BST)
#::::::It still sounds like you're just voting against this because you're a zombie. "If the other side hadn't showed up" isn't a valid argument in Malton. The other side ''always'' shows up. There were plans, other than getting eaten, for what would happen if we weren't spirited away. They're right on the Escape page. -[[User:CaptainVideo|Captain Video]] 23:28, 9 June 2010 (BST)
#:::::::Dont' forget [[BBB|Ron Burgundy]]? --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 03:01, 10 June 2010 (BST)
#:::Hey, don't blame all of us No Escapers. I'm quite happy to vote Yes, since the event itself revolved around Escape. As long as Escape is remembered, we'll be too. And more importantly, the group really does deserve recognition for getting 500 delicious brains all in one place for us to eat. ^_^ --[[User:Shatari|Shatari]] 19:02, 9 June 2010 (BST)
#::::I did enjoy you guys. -[[User:CaptainVideo|Captain Video]] 23:28, 9 June 2010 (BST)
#::::: DDR please explain how BBB was a fail? it crushed every criteria for an event.----[[User:Sexualharrison|sexualharrison]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] ¯\([[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]])/¯ 09:05, 11 June 2010 (BST)
#::::::It's been a while since I read it, but I seem to remember the BBB failing in their conquest of Blackmore... --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 10:06, 11 June 2010 (BST)
#:::::: umm we held it for over 3 months when most died in a few days sleeping in ridleybonk. and it passed voting into historical events. but you weren't there.. so right it's a fail.----[[User:Sexualharrison|sexualharrison]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] ¯\([[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]])/¯ 22:19, 11 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' Others are right, it's the overall event that matters, not that group. What we need is an NPoV page about the event. And if only to motivate others to write and contribute to one when Escape fails to be regarded as historical group. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 18:57, 10 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' Escape itself failed to complete its goal, and then failed to stay as dead bodies after June 1st. and don't say that's not a valid reason, that was the point of escape --{{User:Four_Zombies_In_One/sig}} 19:04, 12 June 2010 (BST)
#:You do realize that the 'staying dead' part was completely optional, right? Quite a few people chose to do so, but it was only one of several options for them. --[[User:Shatari|Shatari]] 23:59, 13 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' The event was historical at best, the group weren't. --[[User:TouchingVirus|TouchingVirus]] 18:17, 14 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' It would’ve been a historical event, but the event never happened.  It was a historical meal, nothing more. --[[User:Marinus|Marinus]] 19:06, 14 June 2010 (BST)
#'''No''' All already been said. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:23, 15 June 2010 (BST)
#:{{s|'''No''' I agree with others. The event was historical, but Escape as a group was just a mass of mostly feral survivors in a building waiting for something to happen. The collective Zombies and PKers of Malton made that something happen. We brought conflict, gave Escapees something to do during the wait. We even gave you the most logical ending of all. All Escape accomplished was having a mildly interesting idea and feeding a massive horde of zombies. Write up an unbiased event page detailing the events of Escape with all the major contributing groups (Zombies and PKers included) and I'll wholeheartedly support it as a historical event. [[User:Dolly Departed|Dolly Departed]] 05:58, 17 June 2010 (BST)}} Voting was over. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 18:50, 17 June 2010 (BST)
#:{{s|Four Zombies In One is right. Escape failed in its goal of actually escaping Urban Dead.--[[User:ShadowScope|ShadowScope]]<sup>[[User:Kevan|'the true enemy']]</sup> 17:01, 17 June 2010 (BST)}} Voting was over. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 18:50, 17 June 2010 (BST)
'''Voting ended.''' With 63 for and 41 against, Escape has '''failed''' to reach the 2/3 necessary for historical status. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 18:50, 17 June 2010 (BST)

Latest revision as of 16:46, 16 December 2012

The nomination of any group that fails voting of historical status should be moved from Category talk:Historical Groups to here. Archives for failed nominations prior to 2010 can be found here.

Umbrella Corporation

Traditionally those nominating groups write a short paragraph explaining why they have nominated said groups. --Ross Less Ness Enter Stranger... 23:12, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

that usually applies to groups that have some accomplishments in game tho.--User:Sexualharrison23:28, 14 November 2012
Should I remove them? Since they were absorbed into our group I thought the these pages should be represented as well.--Umbrella-White.pngPresident JacksonUmbrella-White.png 23:55, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
Aren't these separate groups? Some of us chose not to pay attention to the drama-bomb that exploded with them, so I have no clue which groups are sub-groups are separate. Aichon 23:32, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Can I start this over or something? I misunderstood the voting. I thought people would be voting for each unique page. I'm simply representing Umbrella Corporation, I'm not here to represent the other subgroups that were absorbed into us. Just thought it was part of the measure of voting to include those groups with us.--Umbrella-White.pngPresident JacksonUmbrella-White.png 00:21, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

You can try again a week after the voting ends if you really want, but I seriously doubt you'll get a friendlier welcome next time. Anything with the name "Umbrella" in it (with a handful of exceptions) tends to get a rather visceral reaction from most folks, based on what I've seen over the years. Since I missed most of the original drama, I don't entirely understand it all, but I wouldn't bet on making it into Historical Groups unless you can cite something that's actually historical. I.e. Something that changed the way the game was played. You may have accomplished more than some groups, but most of those groups came earlier and came up with ideas that altered the course of the game in some way. Without being able to show that you did so, it's hard to succeed in getting through these days. Aichon 04:46, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your sympathetic response. I guess I'm not the man to do this. Surprisingly (or not) I did most of the coding for anything Umbrella related on the wiki with the exception of templates. It was a lot of time spent that I hoped to be preserved. When the second Era ended our history was deleted from the internets by those who seized control in the Third Era. It's really the stigma of Umbrella Corporation. It's a lot of fun to role play it out but didn't translate well with ends not justifying means. The incident in which the majority are basing their decisions off of was with a character player named Haliman111. I'll spare details that lead to the "drama", but he was a fine addition to our group at the time and a great adversary at the end of it all. Same cannot be said for those who destroyed our forum or erased our history. Around six years our groups involvement in-game. I'd like to think that we did something, but perhaps I will simply be left to thoughts.--Umbrella-White.pngPresident JacksonUmbrella-White.png 20:52, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

You should have contacted me Jackson, even though I could have told you in advance this attempt would have stood no chance at all, and while Umbrella is something of a long closed book to me, I wouldn't have minded writing a decent overview of the group's shaded past that I knew of. Even though even I personally lean on "No", right now this bid doesn't do the group justice. Perhaps I'll try to write something better, if only to serve as a counterweight to some of the more predictable criticism. -- Cat Pic.png Thadeous Oakley Talk 10:27, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

This proposal wasn't authorized by the current leadership of Umbrella Corporation. Although I have great doubts that this'll go through (Yes, I understand our shady history); I would like to say that Jackson no longer represents UC as a whole, he hasn't for quite some time. Although we are largely inactive, we still continue on as unnoticeable mist... I, as the current legitimate Chairman of the Board, CEO; in no shape way or form condone Umbrella Corporation (Or it's sub-groups) being nominated for historical status. That being said, I shall vote as such below. --Chairman Fanglord, 16:01, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
If the group is still active in part, then this isn't even a valid nomination (see rule #6 above). Aichon 16:05, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
Then it's decided, this nomination isn't valid.... Just another tarnish on our public relations record I'm afraid. --Chairman Fanglord, 17:17, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
oh look umbrella infighting and drama.. go figure. now thad has to start zerging again and it's pre 2009 all over again.--User:Sexualharrison13:56, 17 November 2012

Yes

  1. Yes As stated above.You want to belittle us? I can pull at least five names of other groups we've accomplished more than those in the historical groups section.--Umbrella-White.pngPresident JacksonUmbrella-White.png 23:48, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
    I'm calling. Name 'em.--RadicalWhig 01:57, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
    The grammar is not strong with you. I second the call. Show your hand. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 04:16, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
    I'd like to see this too! --Karloth Vois ¯\(°_o)/¯ 11:55, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
    ditto! in fact i demand it!--User:Sexualharrison13:06, 15 November 2012
    Five demands, call five groups and motivate those calls. PB&J 13:11, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
    Make that six. In fact, toss in a sixth group as an added bonus if you want! You said you can name at least five, so that should mean you can name a little more than five as well! --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 14:42, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
    I, too, wish to know which groups have slipped in on a poorer recommendation than any of the Umbrella groups. --DTPraise KnowledgePK 15:07, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
    ...Aaaaand the bluff is officially empty. Pack it home, folks.--RadicalWhig 22:40, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
    Personally I don't think "these guys are worse than us" should be a reason to merit inclusion  CrunchyCake  T  Breakfast Club 15:45, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
    If such documented history (Umbrella Corporation Recent Events [3]) is not enough to impress then I willfully concede our faults and apologize for wasting each of your valuable time. Much of our personal history was lost after the end of our Second Era.--Umbrella-White.pngPresident JacksonUmbrella-White.png 20:37, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
    It is not. --Open the Box Org XIII Alts 20:51, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
    i'm still waiting for thad to chime in.--User:Sexualharrison05:05, 16 November 2012

No

  1. NO WAY what has this group ever done except be a target for pkers and drama? there is nothing original at all here. yet anther fail survivor group based on a shity zombie movie and a so so video game. get bent.--User:Sexualharrison23:19, 14 November 2012
  2. Spam Seriously Ross Jackson, stop trolling. --Open the Box Org XIII Alts 23:29, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
  3. No 1) You're too lazy to even write up reasons why these groups should be included, (Didn't know, not going to hold it against them) 2) I know little about these groups and what I do know isn't good  CrunchyCake  T  Breakfast Club 23:42, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
    I've read what you've put and even looked into some of these links. It's not particularly impressive trying to show off what you've done with broken links and I'm really struggling to see what sort of achievements you've actually acomplished. The history page is rather scant filled with what I can only call fluff (2 operations? and even then not particularly well documented - the 2nd in particular is highly confusing as to what you actually did). I remain unconvinced.  CrunchyCake  T  Breakfast Club 07:05, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
    I "fixed" the links. Would you mind removing the comment about being lazy? I didn't know I was allowed to post a brief paragraph and my wiki skills are lacking.--Umbrella-White.pngPresident JacksonUmbrella-White.png 20:37, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
  4. I think in its heyday, I saw some graffiti around about UBCS, but unfortunately that was about it. Yeah, I'm sure you guys were around, but I really can't say with confidence that I ever had any experience with your group besides on the wiki (bad things). A ZOMBIE ANT 00:14, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
  5. Famous for zerging and other miscellaneous douchebaggery. Nothing else. --Papa Moloch 00:25, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
    Whoa whoa whoa whoa. "...zerging and other miscellaneous douchebaggery..." Can you site any of that? Sounds like you are all basing your biased decisions on something that happened back in early 2009. Not reflecting on anything prior or post as if that is what defined this group. Are you freakin kidding me?--Umbrella-White.pngPresident JacksonUmbrella-White.png 01:15, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
    No one said that was all you did. It's just the only thing you did well enough to be noticed. So for almost everyone outside of the group(s), all they know is zerging and crying. --Open the Box Org XIII Alts 15:49, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
    This is called, "Historical Groups". As such, any history, even the ones from early 2009, is vital history about the groups. As such, we're making our opinions based on the groups' history, and what parts of it stands out. Sadly, the bad history stands out a lot more than the good. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 15:59, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
  6. Moloch nailed it. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 00:33, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
  7. Nope. Your given reasons can be summed up thus- "We played the game, had some drama and made a few wiki edits." Great, now how about something the rest of us didn't do too? Also, your only legacy is as a drama magnet, and what little contact I've had with Umbrella only supported that. Pretty sure trollbait doesn't count as historical.--RadicalWhig 01:16, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
  8. No - As Harrison and Moloch. I will say however, you did end up contributing to my UserPage, so thank you for that. --DTPraise KnowledgePK 02:04, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
    Much understated with such humor but that really made me laugh.--Umbrella-White.pngPresident JacksonUmbrella-White.png 20:14, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
  9. No - Insert belittling comment here. --Paddy DignamIS DEAD 05:14, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
  10. Nope - I'm amazed by their high opinion of themselves though! --Karloth Vois ¯\(°_o)/¯ 11:55, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
  11. HA HA HA OH WOW -- Spiderzed 19:06, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
  12. K, well, I held off for awhile, but I still haven't seen or heard anything particularly historical, so nope. Aichon 19:08, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
  13. Got its chance, no way. PB&J 22:21, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
  14. No references to stupid video games should ever be historical zerg, I guess? I dunno, I just blanket accuse people--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 23:32, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
  15. Absolutely no, see my reasons above. --Chairman Fanglord, 16:01, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
  16. Group still active, so categorically not historical. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 03:36, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  17. ahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha lolno -- Adward  17:52, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

I assume this was Withdrawn? --Ross Less Ness Enter Stranger... 16:26, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Regulators Alliance

The Regulators Alliance was based out of Dartside. The RA, initially was the group name. Over time we evolved into an alliance, the original members still carried the RA in their name, but newer members were not required to do so; As such we had many groups which fell into the umbrella of the alliance, but weren't necessarily Regulators themselves. The groups listed on our page, included both allies (separate groups entirely) and alliance members. While the RA was together Dartside stayed safe, and kept to the original founding members mission of establishing a place where survivors could be safe. The RA was the main group in Dartside until their disbanding. The RA had a reputation for being fair, regardless of affiliations. Pk'ers who moved through Dartside but did not attack members were allowed to move through untouched. Groups who wanted to call Dartside home were encouraged and helped. To this day, the 57th ADMI is still in Dart and maintains a presence. If the RA has a legacy, then they would be a part of it. I understand just because a group was around for awhile doesn't mean they deserve this; but I think the RA does. We dedicated our time and talent to not only securing Dartside, but we maintained the area, and helped our allies whenever they needed help. Our connections to other groups, went much farther then just Dartside, as we maintained many friendships throughout Malton, which included not just other survivor groups but some pk'er groups as well. I will happy to answer any questions, and I appreciate everyone taking the time to vote and comment, thanks. Thanks to Aichon as well for helping me with the page. John Blast 21:59, 22 October 2012 (BST)

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  1. Rage against the machine. Perhaps not the most glamorous of groups, nor the most glamourous of suburbs, I still think RA had a pretty sizable impact on the history of Dartside from 2006-2009. Yeah, its localized history, but I still see it as history, and hopefully it won't be forgotten. -MHSstaff 21:57, 22 October 2012 (BST)

No

  1. Who the fuck..? --Papa Moloch 16:32, 22 October 2012 (BST)
    The Regulators Alliance. Who were apparently strongly regulated allies, or strongly allied regulators. -- Spiderzed 16:44, 22 October 2012 (BST)
  2. The only groups I recognize in this alliance is the Night Ravers and the Thundercats... but thats because I griefed them. Seriously, you can't have a character called Anime Princess GoGo and not have me grief you--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 17:55, 22 October 2012 (BST)
    I think those groups are their allies; the RA is a separate group and not an alliance of survivor groups. -MHSstaff 18:43, 22 October 2012 (BST)
    Or they were back in the day. Guess they evolved into an alliance more recently. -MHSstaff 22:04, 22 October 2012 (BST)
  3. 誰ですか?(Daredesuka?) - In English...Who? --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 18:42, 22 October 2012 (BST)
  4. First of all, as Moloch. Second, unless you wrote a book called Finnegans Wake, you must learn to use the apostrophe. --Paddy DignamIS DEAD 18:58, 22 October 2012 (BST)
  5. Unfortunately I've never, or if so, very rarely heard of you. I fear historical groups may be in a different league. A ZOMBIE ANT 22:18, 22 October 2012 (BST)
  6. As DDR. Aichon 22:43, 22 October 2012 (BST)
  7. Looking at the list, the only member group that I would view as potentially eligible for historical status is Tikhon Medical (who have been around for a long time, and had at times a large member roster). And even Tikhon is already a borderline case. -- Spiderzed 22:51, 22 October 2012 (BST)
  8. First of all, who? Second, the reasons given are "we made friends and protected a suburb". Congrats, everyone else in the survivor meta did that too. Third, who?--RadicalWhig 23:56, 22 October 2012 (BST)
  9. Never even heard of them. --BOSCH 01:55, 23 October 2012 (BST)
  10. as whig--User:Sexualharrison06:05, 23 October 2012
  11. All of the above.--Mallrat The Spanish Inquisition TSI The Kilt Store TKS Clubbed to Death CTD 13:55, 23 October 2012 (BST)
  12. No. --Hibernaculum 02:25, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
  13. Who? NO!--Akbar 03:58, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Failed. A ZOMBIE ANT 08:36, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Team Xtreme

Team Xtreme - Having been a Pker for a long time and seen a lot of things in this game, I will say that as far as Bhers go, and I've seen a lot, these guys were one of the best I've encountered. They were an early adversary and served as a bit of measuring stick for ones that followed. I still remember these guys putting up a tougher challenge with less than half the players 'The Saints' had. A rare Bher group that you, as a Pker, didn't want to see much of but you respected them. A small but very effective group who often took on challenges rather than cower from them. Well organized, well lead and well known to those who stuck with the game for more than a month. --Hibernaculum 01:29, 4 July 2012 (BST)

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Yes (Team Xtreme)

  1. Nominator Vote - Hibernaculum 01:39, 4 July 2012 (BST)
  2. At least I can say I got the final shot against Josh Clark. He was a good man. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 02:12, 4 July 2012 (BST)
  3. Happy birthday! :D --Sophie ◆◆◆ CAPD 02:14, 4 July 2012 (BST)
  4. Yes.. lol --Carrie Cutter 02:17, 4 July 2012 (BST)
  5. Yes and not just because it's you-know-who's birthday ;) Grogh 02:23, 4 July 2012 (BST)
  6. RAWR. Joshy's awesome  CrunchyCake  T  Breakfast Club 02:29, 4 July 2012 (BST)
  7. As the former leader I ask that all voters look at the History part of our page. We worked with Survivor groups such as the Cannonball Crew and Skynet Defense Network. Even though we were indeed Bounty Hunters we did a lot of pro survivor operations such as this one Alliance 45 In 2 operations we fought the Zombies in Gulsonside with Operation Damage Control (July 21, 2010 - Sept 12, 2010) and Operation: Beaten to Death (July 28, 2011 - September 5, 2011) Also with Operation Uplift (October 1, 2010 - October 22, 2010) Wyke Hills goes from Red to Green with Team Xtreme, the Wulves and D.S. R&D. Operation Blindside (January 19, 2011 - January 28, 2011) Team Xtreme with Skynet Defense Network, FPDF, AZS, KT, MR, C4NT, WULVES, MCDU, The Fortress, DSR&D, and Z.A.L.P. worked together in Whittenside against the Feral Undead just to name a few things (Not typical BHer stuff) Operation: Rock The Dead (April 11, 2011 - July 2, 2011) Was when Team Xtreme helped defend Malton against the return of the dead. Operation: Black List (September 9, 2011 - October 3, 2011) Was when Team Xtreme fought against Text Rapists and Zergs. This event won a 2011 Malton Murder Award for Best Bounty Hunting Moment, Team Xtreme is proud to have participated in the event. Team Xtreme was also Winner of the 2011 Malton Murder Awards for Best Bounty Hunter Group. And lastly October 28, 2010 is when I officially launched my blog web show The Xtreme Zone to entertain the people of Malton. The show lasted a year. And there was 4 years worth of Bounty Hunting in between all that. So my vote is yes. We have a History Page for a reason. --Josh Clark 02:32, 4 July 2012 (BST)
    Historical by association isn't historical. Just because you have history doesn't mean that you're historical. Particularly when that history has almost no overlap with documented notable game events. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 07:23, 7 July 2012 (BST)
  8. Hell yeah!--Bad Attitude BarbieSDN 02:50, 4 July 2012 (BST)
  9. I says yep! :D --Lucy Daniels 03:05, 4 July 2012 (BST)
  10. Absolutely, Yes! When The Cannonball Crew was fighting in Gulsonside against CTD, Josh and his crew were Indispensable! [User:Midge Owner] 03:15, 4 July 2012 (BST)
  11. Definitely!! TX will always be the best BHer group, in my opinion --Solodog 03:20, 4 July 2012 (BST)
  12. Because I was told to. Aichon 03:42, 4 July 2012 (BST)
  13. Because I'm scared of Carrie. *hides* --Rambo ninja spidrman 04:12, 4 July 2012 (BST)
  14. Xtremest group EVER. --Penguinpyro 04:15, 4 July 2012 (BST)
  15. Easily one of the finest BHer groups Malton has seen. Their impact on several areas of the Pking/BHing industry may still be felt. --Albert Schwan Albert Schwan  Wednesday, 4 July 2012
  16. Yup......nuff said --Raven Corvus 15:30, 4 July 2012 (BST)
  17. Josh's patter is hopeless and Hermann Munster always enjoyed ripping him and his Cheeto-stained buddies a new one, but TX's concerted efforts with Skynet were the only survivor push that ever threatened to shift Clubbed to Death from Blesley Mall for any length of time. The Cheeto Wars with you guys rank among the Club's most enjoyable nights out. And if that doesn't warrant a footnote in history, what does?--Mallrat The Spanish Inquisition TSI The Kilt Store TKS Clubbed to Death CTD 18:33, 4 July 2012 (BST)
  18. Yes. It was always an event for the BAR when Team Xtreme came to town. Jesus Sante CFT 04:27, 5 July 2012 (BST)
  19. As a general thing, the niche of PKers matters very little in the big picture of UD given the default conflict (survivors vs zombies) and basic game mechanics (cost of killing vs cost of revival, significance of draining AP with meatshielding and ruining which PKers don't do). BHers, being essentially a niche within the niche, matter even less as a general thing. That being said, within its narrow niche, Team Xtreme has been highly significant. When we will look back in a few years and wonder about who has mattered within the field of bounty-hunting, TX must definitively be mentioned. For that reason, I think they should be included. -- Spiderzed 19:26, 5 July 2012 (BST)
    To specially lower the bar to "Well known presence in a subgroup community" would be to devalue what Historical Groups purpose as a category. It's purpose is to help newer users to understand how the community and culture has grown and particularly the groups which will come up in discussion time and again as being why things are done. Team Xtreme doesn't even make that list for BHers, nor PKers, much less Survivors, Zombies, or Players. And its particularly egregious when most(including these) BHers by nature play poorly(ineffectively) and are not innovative strategically(Beyond RG and some of what DARIS did) in even the limited anti-pker realm, COMBAT REVIVE was a more effective anti-pker group by the numbers than this, 404 and THEM are/were a functionally better example of anti-pker strategy that actually had demonstrable lasting effects on both specific conflicts and the game itself. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 07:20, 7 July 2012 (BST)
    Sorry, Karek, but I've got to disagree with your assessment of Historical category as a tool. If you've ever actually tried to learn about UD history based on groups in this category, you'd be pretty damn confused/frustrated. That's why projects like Zombie Renaissance, Project Timeline, UDThisMonth and others exist. These days Historical Group is nothing more than a badge. I'd argue that TX are probably more deserving of the badge than other groups wearing it, but I don't think they necessarily NEED it to be recognized as a group that contributed to UD's history.~Vsig.png 18:55, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
    Just want to note that both Project Timeline and UDThisMonth use Historical Group status as a criterion for inclusion, so this vote has bearing on those pages. See here and here. Bob Moncrief 21:33, 7 July 2012 (BST)
    Historical Group status is specifically not a criteria for inclusion on PT. That's why you don't see groups like ASS, Brain Central, Mockers or other questionably historic groups but you do see RRF, Fortress, ACC and others. ~Vsig.png 22:24, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
    In this case your disagreement note actually reinforces why this nonsense is nonsense. My statement is based on why this category exists, which was initially to preserve pages of noteworthy groups from deletion during the Crit 12 days so that valuable reference material wouldn't be lost. Since then we've preserved it as a navigational reserve for those groups who we accept as being information-ally important to the mission statement of the wiki(i.e. Providing imporatnt game relevant information). Team Xtreme is an example of a group that will never meet that purpose and shouldn't even be up for a vote. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 20:04, 8 July 2012 (BST)
  20. As Spiderzed above. --Belisarius17 03:30, 6 July 2012 (BST)
  21. Worked with TX...agree with Spiderzed. --Met Fan F 06:13, 6 July 2012 (BST)
  22. What Josh said, what Albert said, what Mallrat said. Leon Silverblood 17:46, 6 July 2012 (BST)
  23. As Albert, as Spiderzed --CptFastbreak 18:39, 7 July 2012 (BST)
  24. At some point you have to look at a groups contributions as a whole, not just if they changed the game or were one of the first organized groups six years ago. Otherwise you can pretty much stop adding groups to this category altogether. A lot of groups have had a huge impact on the game and its players without having changed how its played or bringing about new rules or mechanics. A good group that does well, contributes positively in its particular field, and has maintained reasonable longevity in the community should be recognized. TX has done all of that.--Roddy Winters 19:51, 8 July 2012 (BST)
    This is not true. Quantity of stuff they do does not outweigh the quality. And honestly, the people arguing for this have only pointed out the quantity, not the quality. And those voting no aren't seeing the quality and making judgements based on quantity. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 19:40, 9 July 2012 (BST)
  25. Yes please. MHSstaff 00:19, 13 July 2012 (BST)
  26. Although I'll again note (since it continues to bruise certain egos) that The Saints didn't care a whit about FoD, I don't think there should be any doubt that TX deserves historical status.--RichterFury 01:07, 19 July 2012 (BST)

No (Team Xtreme)

  1. meh and meh. they did nothing that other BH groups didn't do before. --User:Sexualharrison01:50, 4 July 2012
  2. Convince me. --Rosslessness 18:22, 4 July 2012 (BST)
    Since you asked let me give it a shot. Admittedly, what follows is information that predates me. It is my understanding of events and if its accuracy needs to be called into question, please feel free. How did TX change the game? Undoubtedly, there were BHers before TX. My understanding is that most of them were lone hunters or small groups of 2 to 3. They would come together at places like the RG but not in a permanent strategic way. Was there Pack BHing, yes. Organizations like the DEM were organized and engaged in BHing along with their many other functions. My understanding is that if there were purely BHer groups before the time that TX, Malton Marshals, and the Saints formed in 2008, they were transitory. They specialized and they organized for the sole purpose of hunting bounties and they were good at it, providing a counterpoint to PKing groups which had been around for some time. Helping to create organized opposition lead to BHer events like All saints day in 2008 and the organized opposition to Samhain Slaughter. BHer groups are a feature of the game today. Now, while I might well be unaware of a notable group or two that would damage this argument, one thing I am fairly sure of is that TX was instrumental in introducing BHer arms into super groups. There were super groups before TX, but since their inception from Alliance 45 to Cannonball Crew to SDN, TX was there making their specialized services a part of how groups like this would operate. Regardless of how one feels about BHing groups or supergroups, they are a part of Malton life and TX helped make them what they are today. Long winded but I hope it helps. --Albert Schwan Albert Schwan  Friday, 6 July 2012
    there is nothing "super" about any of the groups you just mentioned.--User:Sexualharrison03:08, 6 July 2012
    Funny then that you are listed as leadership on a group that evidently thinks otherwise. Might want to see to setting that straight :P --Albert Schwan Albert Schwan  Friday, 6 July 2012
    i can still think they are D-bags can't i? and the NMC is a collective with no real leadership. cat herding comes to mind.--User:Sexualharrison05:05, 6 July 2012
    Shearbank Liberation Army, Dulston Defense Death Squad, to name a few old BHer groups (or semi-BHer groups) of the old days that has Historical status, Al. Sure, they were limited to a single location and didn't use Rogue's Gallery as heavily as today's BHer groups, but they were still BHer groups. Just...correcting your facts a little there, Al. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 15:36, 6 July 2012 (BST)
    They didn't use RG at all because it didn't exist yet. The concept of bounties didn't even exist. Back then it was just a PK List hosted on Desensitized with screenshots of last known locations. Ironicly, though, it was former members of DARIS, whom the SLA were were at war with that were partially responsible for the modern bounty system. That new group was called The Council of Leaders (new), led by Katthew (and others). They were the real pioneers in Bounty Hunting as are those members of DEM who founded the Rogues Gallery. Just correcting some of your facts, Axe. ~Vsig.png 17:41, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
    Thanks Axe, I figured I missed a few, but the fact remains, these groups were institutional or regionally strategic. I still maintain that the 08 groups brought something new to the table that was not there before and still is there today. TX to me was the most successful and recognized of the newer batch. Their influence was formative and therefore historically significant.--Albert Schwan Albert Schwan  Friday, 6 July 2012
    That can be seen both ways. For one, I honestly believed RG was a lot better back then before it moved to it's current home. TX deserves a spot in historical, but not for the reasons you've stated here. It's the same with CK. CK deserves to be historical too, but not for the reasons stated in both CK votes. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 01:05, 7 July 2012 (BST)
    Where are you getting your information regarding dates? I assume it's the wiki, and you don't realise that the history gets wiped every so often, making the History tab inherently unreliable. The Malton Marshals date back to 2006 or so. Fascist Pig Hunters adopted that name and their PKer hunting ways at the beginning of 2006. Pretty sure the CDF's PKer Response Unit (PKRU) dates back to '06 as well, but you'd have to check with them because they don't make much information publicly available. Either way, while TX were certainly notable the last few years, you can in no way call them a founding bounty hunting group. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 02:07, 8 July 2012 (BST)
    My guess is the earliest possible entry in the History tab, although had Al checked their talk page... --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 02:45, 8 July 2012 (BST)
    Yes, that was my guess too. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 03:09, 8 July 2012 (BST)
    Yes that is where it came from. I was unaware of the history wipes. I mentioned that this all predates me right? I might still argue though that being the principle torch-bearer of a tradition is a historically significant role, as is advancing the work of a predecessor into a more public arena. Without treating this as notable, there are gaps in your timeline. --Albert Schwan Albert Schwan  Sunday, 8 July 2012
    Aye. The formation of the groups I mentioned predate me, too; I just read a lot. (And had to set the record straight.) ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 03:48, 8 July 2012 (BST)
    It's also probably worth mention here that the RG list was predated by CDF and DHPD's lists in addition to whatever was running on ressenz/dessenz at the time. There was a point in time where the go to list recommendation was those two groups wiki based PKer bounty lists(which I believe are still somewhat maintained?).--Karekmaps 2.0?! 20:10, 8 July 2012 (BST)
    Ya, the wiki history is periodically wiped as to not slow down and strain the servers. We were suppose to get another history wipe a few months ago (as stated by Kevan himself), but it seems that wipe never occured. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 03:53, 8 July 2012 (BST)
  3. Why are they historical? Because they were effective? Did they change the game? Is this another popularity contest? --Paddy DignamIS DEAD 20:08, 4 July 2012 (BST)
  4. As above. This vote is largely irrelevant, as there is clearly a bandwagon rolling. However, I'm really not seeing this at all. They were... alright and that's about it. If a CV features only events that the applicant actually has to explain then there is not much there. If there were a category for Historical Characters (and I have long believed that there should be), then Josh Clark would make it. Team Xtreme though? Not for me. --Papa Moloch 20:32, 4 July 2012 (BST)
    Edited to add: The menstrual outbursts added to the initial proposal are absolutely absurd. There is no evidence of significant PKer bias in the contrasting votes for TX and Pathetic Bill and there isn't necessarily a need to 'change the game' in order to make the list. The Bills were very original, highly influential and famous both on the map and in the metagame. In short, they added something new. TX, while a good team, were essentially just a later equivalent of other older groups, spent much of their career perceptibly overshadowed by the Saints, embarked upon repeated incarnations of Operation Trenchyname (about which only those directly involved gave even a quarter of a damn) and have a CV upon which half the content relates to their alliances/service to other groups. Of the three examples that Josh has cited in his edit, two involve unheard of 'wars' with very minor groups ('...things of legend'? How embarrassing.) and the other amounts to 'We tagged along on a major event, tried to fuck it up and failed.' It's hardly C4NT stuff.
    As for the alleged 'PKer bias', holy fucking shit. Before slinging that accusation about, try taking off the tinfoil hat and having an objective look at some of the 'Yes' votes: I can see at least 11 that offer no reasoning at all, more that offer specious reasons and more than a few obvious RSVPs to the meatpuppet house-party. In short, even if a couple of PKers are voting without due objective consideration, they aren't even close to leveling the circle jerk score.
    The one thing on which I will agree with Josh is that things should indeed change in this category. However, they need to change in a way that would mean that no-one would bother even proposing a group like TX for Historical Group status. My own interpretation of 'Historical' is less stringent than Karek's, but it's far closer to his than the circle jerk mess that this category has become. If I had my way then about 80% of the current groups would have their status removed and I would never have even allowed Columbine Kids to be put forward at all. --Papa Moloch 19:19, 9 July 2012 (BST)
    I'm a lot better looking than you. No hard feelings. --Paddy DignamIS DEAD 06:44, 6 July 2012 (BST)
    Yeah, but my penis is far larger and we both know that that's what the bitches really love, brah. --Papa Moloch 19:19, 9 July 2012 (BST)
    Stop flirting with me. --Paddy DignamIS DEAD 23:28, 9 July 2012 (BST)
    Don't deny your feelings, Paddy. There is no shame in love. --Papa Moloch 09:18, 10 July 2012 (BST)
  5. never heard of you and frankly the number of votes such a none group are getting makes it obvious how much of a joke this category has become. Seriously... what did you do that made an impact, let alone changed the game? --Honestmistake 22:29, 4 July 2012 (BST)
  6. Good at what they did, I guess. Outstandingly so? Nope. Uniquely so? Nope. Nothing to be done! 23:37, 4 July 2012 (BST)
  7. No real game significance--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 23:43, 4 July 2012 (BST)
  8. As Paddy and Moloch. --VVV RPGMBCWS 01:47, 5 July 2012 (BST)
  9. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 04:55, 5 July 2012 (BST)
  10. I liked Team Xtreme. They were good at what they did and weren't obnoxious about it, either. Other groups have gotten Historical due to being so good that they forced other groups to change their tactics to deal with them, but I don't think TX did that. And I really don't think TX had the sort of presence that impacted the suburbs they went through. I'm rather sad to find that they've disbanded though. Until I saw this, I thought they were still active. --DTPraise KnowledgePK 05:30, 5 July 2012 (BST)
    Hey, where the hell have you been? Imma stalk u now. ~Vsig.png 23:04, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
  11. This group has never been important or notable. Nor have they had any real impact on the game or 90% of the meta at any point in their history. If Team Xtreme had never existed not only would no one here have noticed, no one here would have cared. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 11:31, 5 July 2012 (BST)
  12. No.--Akbar 18:21, 6 July 2012 (BST)
    From CK's last crash n' burn:
    Yeah, everyone knows who they were, they had a sense of humor, and they killed a lot of people. Good enough for me.--Akbar 02:11, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
    This is the group that most voters here agree were at least famous and good at BHing (meaning they killed a lot of people). And humor? TX launched the Cheetos wars on CtD and famously mocked the Heathers as they fought . Sense of humor indeed. But keep fucking that chicken of hypocrisy.--Penguinpyro 23:36, 9 July 2012 (BST)
  13. No. A highly visible and fairly well coordinated bounty hunting fixture for many years, but didn't change the game nor challenge the perimeters, nor do anything singularly more spectacular, sophisticated or successful than any other group. --BOSCH 01:06, 7 July 2012 (BST)
  14. Meh. Even if they were "highly significant" within bounty hunting (and I've seen little indication that they were, they were just very good at it, they didn't change the way people bounty hunt) it's kind of silly to say that that makes you historical. If you say being very good or even the best at a given subsection of the game is noteworthy, you get in to a weird line of argumentation. If there's a really specialised section of the game e.g. people who hunt people who hunt people who hunt zergs, if the people who do that are very good at it, are they historical? No. Because what they do represents a very small aspect of the game which is largely insignificant. If we look at the history of the game, these guys didn't change it in any way; they aren't a landmark on it. They were just very good at playing the game as it was. Not Historical. --Shortround }.{ My Contributions 01:19, 7 July 2012 (BST)
  15. No. There is absolutely nothing that stands out about them, historically or otherwise. -- CyanEyed C-Kids 14:12, 7 July 2012 (BST)
  16. How did this group change the way UD is played or have a significant impact on the community at large, i.e. on the whole, not just in one or two suburbs. It didn't. And I don't have to have been around a lot lately to tell from the application that this group is NOT qualfiied. --WanYao 14:28, 7 July 2012 (BST)
  17. Team Xtreme was a good group filled with players who had class. No one who was ever bountied by one of their members can say that the person who killed them was a dick about it. But they didn't really impact the game enough to justify a historical group. -- Goribus 02:11, 8 July 2012 (BST)
  18. After considering all the arguments on both sides and my own thoughts, I'm going to have to come down on the not historical side. While I always enjoyed playing against Team Xtreme, I don't consider them to have changed the way I or any of my groups played – which, I might remind you ,included the largest PKer groups in the game. Albert Schwan's argument, that they were the first BH group to be part of a "supergroup", can be disproved singlehandedly by CDF in the old days (they were HUGE) and their PKRU, or by the DEM's Malton Marshals branch, both of which were extant several years prior to Team Xtreme's founding.
    In my opinion, your strongest argument for Historical Status is the movies and videos put out by Josh Clark. That man is a star! (N.B. I may be biased by having appeared in his first animated movie. Shifty >_> <_<) ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ
  19. Not outstanding enough. A good group but not of the same calibre as genuinely game-changing groups like Pathetic Bill. Sorry. --Karloth Vois ¯\(°_o)/¯ 10:32, 10 July 2012 (BST)
  20. No. Five years in the game, never heard of them. Rib15 00:49, 19 July 2012 (BST)

And that's a wrap. Turn out the lights, the party's over: With 25 votes for and 19 against, Team Xtreme fails to make the grade. <Insert conspiracy theory here>. --Papa Moloch 01:46, 19 July 2012 (BST)

Columbine Kids

10 months have passed since the last nomination, which furthermore failed by just one vote. I see it thus as justified to re-approach them and see how well their reputation has kept up.

It has now been much more than a year that any Columbine Kids have been active, let alone orchestrated anything together.

From their very founding day on, they have polarized the UD metagame, going even as far as getting the group put up for deletion vote due to bad taste, or because no one thinks of the children, or whatever the reasoning was for those who voted for deletion. And it wasn't just at the beginning that they shocked and polarized the UD crowd, it even continued throughout their career.

They have not just made impact by their concept, though. They were also effective PKers, racking up massive bounties, performing highly coordinated timed strikes and getting involved in events like the 2008 Wedding Crash or Samhain Slaughter 1 to 3. You also mustn't forget their various school shooting tours they have organized and pulled off on their own.

They were recognized in the Malton Murder Awards 2010 as nominee for Best PKer Group.

Seriously, if you are involved in the PKer metagame at all, you have heard of them and their exploits. -- Spiderzed 15:16, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes

  1. See above. -- Spiderzed 15:16, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
  2. --    : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : 15:59, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
  3. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 16:17, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
  4. They was robbed last time. You all is just e-cock blockin'. ~Vsig.png 19:57, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
  5. --User:Sexualharrison20:27, 4 February 2012 (bst)
  6. They're well known, have maintained mindshare over the last year, participated in a number of major events, and were effective in doing what they set out to do. They may not have pioneered new tactics or methods for PKing, but they did make a name for themselves, and it wasn't all just bluster. Aichon 20:43, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
  7. Yus! Petite Fille 05:54, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
  8. for what it's worth. I think they are a lot more valid for this than many/most of the groups that are already in the category --Honestmistake 15:59, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
  9. --ZombieDalkorian 19:33, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
  10. I suspect that many people never payed attention to the in-game contributions of the CK, focusing mainly on the loldrama on their talk page and on their attitude out of game. My group may have been opposed to most of their antics, but they certainly had an impact on many major events, including getting several off the ground. --DTPraise KnowledgePK 20:09, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
  11. Yes, I think they had a decent impact on PKing in general, and they made good use of the concept. --Shatari 22:59, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
  12. Yeah, everyone knows who they were, they had a sense of humor, and they killed a lot of people. Good enough for me.--Akbar 02:11, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
  13. Manson made me vote yes. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 07:30, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
  14. If they were historic for the PKer community, I think it would marginalize PKers to think that that isn't sufficient for them to be historic. --Moctezuma The Streltsy :) 05:17, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
  15. It's possible that I may be biased... --Papa Moloch 11:11, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
  16. Likewise with the biased, but frankly we kicked ass in an incredibly tasteless manner. :D --CyanEyed C-Kids 21:53, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
  17. Yeah, sure, why not? - Zombiegeorge 13:46, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
  18. I missed the last vote and would have said yes then so I'm saying yes now.--Samhain Sam 17:00, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

No

  1. As the previous bid's against votes. Too much of their value has been put into their apparent offensiveness, and otherwise they seem only successful, and neither of these points are enough to be entitled historical, or what should be called historical. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 17:39, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
  2. No, Same as last time wiki drama does not make you Historical. They were just your average PKers who only PKed nothing more. This does not make you Historical.--Josh Clark 18:21, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
  3. They did nothing of note besides "participated" and "had a cool name." They just floated around like typical flotsam. Hardly standout. Frankly, these guys have done zilch to be considered anywhere near the same notability as groups like Channel Four or the old FOD.--RadicalWhig 01:58, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
  4. No, as Josh Clark. (There, I agreed with Josh for once!) They weren't historical last time this came up, and they've not become any more historical in the meantime.--Mallrat The Spanish Inquisition TSI The Kilt Store TKS Clubbed to Death CTD 02:58, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
  5. No, while CK was a skilled collection of PKers and good fun to boot, I have to agree with AHLG. Skilled? Yes. Historical? Me thinks not. --Ciscokitty 03:27, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
  6. No,--Carrie Cutter 03:29, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
  7. As one of the yes votes even indicates, they brought nothing new to the table other than wiki drama. Being coordinated and successful when other groups are out there doing the same thing does not put you on a timeline. The event participation just goes to say "and this group was also there" The school shooting tours would not seem enough to me to warrant the nod. Albert Schwan Albert Schwan  Sunday, 5 February 2012
  8. Nope. They were notable, but not exceptional - not on a level with the other groups who are historical, and I'd prefer not to see the concept deleted by just including larger groups that hung around a while. --Rambo Ninja Spiderman 04:20, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
  9. Nah, either your historical, or your not... repeatedly putting something up for historical seems a bit desperate. The consensus was no last time, so I'm gonna vote no this time.--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 09:33, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
  10. No - Very few pker groups do enough to be considered notable or historic. The only reason anyone knows who the Columbine Kids are is pretty much some very minor wiki drama. They're no Amish, Red Rum, or DEA. They didn't help make a huge event and the most you can even note them for in their nomination is as being a tag along? An Historic Group these things do not make. —myself last time around


    Nothing has changed except now even less people care about them. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 09:56, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
  11. No - emphatically as Karek. —myself last time around


    DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 11:15, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
  12. No, their only notoriety is having a shock name and like ten year olds, they want attention for it. Their whining makes me even less inclined to vote for them. Herr Gerdongerdorf 20:21, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
  13. No, I have no interest in seeing a group made historical for their impact on the metagame. -- User:RobOppenheimerUser_talk:RobOppenheimer 19:49, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
  14. No. As Anime and Karek. You're holding on to MMORPG accomplishments a little too tightly, brother. Let it go. --Paddy DignamIS DEAD 18:03, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
  15. No. This group was not notable enough to warrant any further comment.  Billy Club Thorton  T!  RR  06:10, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
  16. No. Attention grabbing name, but not much substance. Jesus Sante CFT 18:04, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
  17. No. As Anime. Asheets 16:33, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
  18. No. The group wasn't notable enough to be considered historic. Standard Zombie 22:37, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
  19. No. Barely ever heard of them in-game. Also, per AHLG.-- Cat Pic.png Thadeous Oakley Talk 23:03, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
  20. No. Who? Son of Sin 11:55, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
  21. NO for all the reasons above. Duck J 17:10, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

SWING AND A MISS! - Voting is over and the poll says "No". --Papa Moloch 15:27, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Columbine Kids

Now that probably the last member wearing the tags has switched to a different group (welcome to Cobra, YOG :P) and the group as such hasn't coordinated at all for a long while (the forums have been down for months), it's probably about time to recognize Columbine Kids as historical.

From their very founding day on, they have polarized the UD metagame, going even as far as getting the group put up for deletion vote due to bad taste, or because no one thinks of the children, or whatever the reasoning was for those who voted for deletion. And it wasn't just at the beginning that they shocked and polarized the UD crowd, it even continued throughout their career.

They have not just made impact by their concept, though. They were also effective PKers, racking up massive bounties, performing highly coordinated timed strikes and getting involved in events like the 2008 Wedding Crash or Samhain Slaughter 1 to 3. They were recognized in the Malton Murder Awards 2010 as nominee for Best PKer Group.

Seriously, if you are involved in the PKer metagame at all, you have heard of them and their exploits. -- Spiderzed 18:38, 27 March 2011 (BST)

Yes

  1. I, duh, nominated them in the first place? -- Spiderzed 18:45, 27 March 2011 (BST)
  2. Who?--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 18:51, 27 March 2011 (BST)
  3. Classy chaps. Oidar 18:54, 27 March 2011 (BST)
  4. lets just get this over with-- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking bitch 20:21 27 March 2011 (UTC)
  5. After this, we're gettin' the C4NT up here. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 23:56, 27 March 2011 (BST)
    You should think about slapping an inactive tag on them and starting the clock. -MHSstaff 03:46, 28 March 2011 (BST)
    isn't the page history a better indicator to begin with? -- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking bitch 09:33 4 April 2011 (UTC)
  6. For about a year the leading source of UD metagame butthurt (other than wiki drama, which is the untouchable Queen of UD Drama), inspiration behind a few less competent attempts at shock groups (such as Pumpkin Pedophiles) and a couple of even less competent hunter groups dedicated to 'teaching us a lesson', we made a significant splash in both game and metagame. Also there were two School Shooting tours that aren't mentioned above, which put hundreds more corpses on the streets of Malton. 1 2. --Papa Moloch 03:28, 28 March 2011 (BST)
  7. Never even met any of them in game, but I still heard about them. Sick of all this historical status elitism. They were well known enough to be let in.-- | T | BALLS! | 03:41 28 March 2011(UTC)
  8. They are worth giving historical status --Bluewaterdragon 04:02, 28 March 2011 (BST)
  9. Sure! Why not? --Akbar 06:11, 28 March 2011 (BST)
  10. Yes. Shootin up skool iz fun! --    : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : 08:13, 28 March 2011 (BST)
  11. Smyg 08:18, 28 March 2011 (BST)
  12. Having had the pleasure of kicking off their mall tour from MCM it would be hard not to vote for them. Like it or not they did make themselves know! --QBee 03:25, 31 March 2011 (BST)
  13. Perhaps unsurprisingly, I'mma go with 'yes'. -- CyanEyed C-Kids 10:25, 28 March 2011 (BST)
  14. - Not a giant group, but they caused a massive stir. --Karloth Vois ¯\(°_o)/¯ 16:13, 28 March 2011 (BST)
  15. That bounty alone must qualify them for historical status never mind what else they did! Gordon 23:13, 28 March 2011 (BST)
  16. Sigh... Yes And here's why. I despise this group. I hate everything about them. I Loathe and detest the very creaion of it ffs. It's unsavoury, childish glorification of 'shock value' made me uneasy from the first minute I saw some plank wearing the tags two years ago when I started playing, and still, to this day does. However, that's why they work. That was their hook, so to speak.
    The BH'er in me, always wanted to whack a CK. Hell, I wanted to do it with Deej too, should the chance arisen. They made an impact, and much as I dislike the theme of the group, they certainly knew how to grab the eye. They should be remembered, if not for 'cos they were a 'great PK'er' group, then 'cos they were a bunch of knobbers people wanted to kill. A lot.
    Btw, this vote will be changed to a No, if Harrison doesn't admit, in the next 24 hours he watched, and fapped to the vid linked in my yes vote. Clock is ticking, perve. ~ Kempy “YaketyYak” | ◆◆◆ | CAPD | 05:07, 29 March 2011 (BST)
    hah hah suck my balls kempy this was the message i got when i clicked the link. """The uploader has not made this video available in your country. Sorry about that.""" suck it!-- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking bitch 05:11 29 March 2011 (UTC)
    ..tock. ~ Kempy “YaketyYak” | ◆◆◆ | CAPD | 05:47, 29 March 2011 (BST)
    Try Hotspot Shield? ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 21:37, 29 March 2011 (BST)
  17. DO IT. Nothing to be done! 00:58, 29 March 2011 (BST)
  18. Sounds like a good idea. --Cexylikepie 02:03, 29 March 2011 (BST)
  19. I have been roused from my wiki hiatus to vote! --Pibbit 05:49, 29 March 2011 (BST)
  20. They were quite notorious, both in game and on the wiki. The fact that people still hate them makes them quite memorable (and by extension, historical). Their talk page alone is comedy gold.--Shatari 07:15, 29 March 2011 (BST)
  21. Fuck yes. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 07:16, 29 March 2011 (BST)
  22. Didn't really need to ask, to be honest. --Ash  |  T  |  яя  | 09:33, 29 March 2011 (BST)
  23. As Anime Sucks. -- Papa Jadkor (RRF) (MotA) (MT11) 18:45, 29 March 2011 (BST)
  24. Switching my vote, after the responses below. Aichon 22:12, 29 March 2011 (BST)
  25. The creation of this group sparked a large negative response from the community and did spark alot of copycats. It also raised valid issues concerning associates of RG mods farming people into the Ignore List--Rapture 23:42, 29 March 2011 (BST)
    Being part of their mall tours for several years it would be hard not to vote for them. --QBee 03:25, 31 March 2011 (BST)
    You already did vote for them, see vote number 12 above.--Mallrat The Spanish Inquisition TSI The Kilt Store TKS Clubbed to Death CTD 06:16, 5 April 2011 (BST)
    vote struck- were still gonna win this you turd. putz.-- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking bitch 07:03 5 April 2011 (UTC)
    No problem, as long as it's all fair and square. Thanks for deleting the duplicate vote.--Mallrat The Spanish Inquisition TSI The Kilt Store TKS Clubbed to Death CTD 11:03, 5 April 2011 (BST)
  26. Yup. Kirsty cotton 04:35, 31 March 2011 (BST)
  27. Yes. CK got me interested in PKing. --Amber Waves of Pain 05:10, 31 March 2011 (BST)
  28. Nov puts them at four months. Still think PHOG, BBIII and Ackland Abattoir should be in if these guys go in but what do I know.-MHSstaff 00:06, 1 April 2011 (BST)
  29. Yes, and Fuck Yeah! Everyone knows hows demented you were. I loved crushing all hope with you.--AU10Pantomime Mistress of Pain┌∩┐()┌∩┐ 23:05, 1 April 2011 (BST)
  30. Yes, Not always into their schtick but they played a big part in the game, back when people played the game that is.--User:Rob Collick/sig 00:41, 3 April 2011 (BST)
  31. Yes. Every suburb they went people were talking about them. - Love from Swing XOXOXTalk 11:31, 3 April 2011 (BST)
  32. Fuck yes. The Columbine Kids are one of the most infamous groups just based on name and reputation alone. If you played the game on a regular basis before they disbanded, you most likely heard of them. The group also polarized people you either got it and loved them, got it and hated them, or didn't get it and hated them. The only thing about them that sucks is that they won't be around anymore and I never got around to leveling the character I wanted to join with before I left the game. -- Goribus 12:50, 3 April 2011 (BST)
    join cobra, not as offensive, definitely as evil tho.-- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking bitch 13:03 3 April 2011 (UTC)
    And just as crap.--Mallrat The Spanish Inquisition TSI The Kilt Store TKS Clubbed to Death CTD 17:10, 3 April 2011 (BST)
    do u ever get tired of being wrong all the time? i mean like about everything.-- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking bitch 19:01 3 April 2011 (UTC)
    Let him pwease. People getting all riled up about us are good :p And also the most fun to shoot... --Sally A. Summers i Ω i 14:30, 4 April 2011 (BST)
    For the sake of accuracy, I should point out that Cobra is in fact even more useless than CK was.--Mallrat The Spanish Inquisition TSI The Kilt Store TKS Clubbed to Death CTD 20:03, 4 April 2011 (BST)
    I actually have an idled Cobra alt Harrison. But now I don't know what to do with Whitfield Crane other than keeping him perma-idled. -- Goribus 07:49, 7 April 2011 (BST)
  33. crashing in-game weddings is cool --Michalesonbadge.pngTCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 18:04, 3 April 2011 (BST)
  34. This group was so good that they should also be included in one of the four basic food groups. Petite Fille 13:42, 8 April 2011 (BST)
  35. Yes. One can't deny they shook things up. --priapus 13:55, 8 April 2011 (BST)
  36. Yes. --Zorinth 19:26, 8 April 2011 (BST)
  37. Add another one to the yes pile. --ZombieDalkorian 00:47, 9 April 2011 (BST)
  38. YES! All the cool kids are doing it! I can't handle the peer pressure (or Petite's repeated shin kicking). Zombiegeorge 15:58, 9 April 2011 (BST)
  39. Yes. --MyEvilTwin 16:41, 9 April 2011 (BST)
  40. Yes, they've been around long enough.--Deadone 14:17, 10 April 2011 (BST)
  41. Yes. Offensive tastes good. --Runaround Stu 16:42, 10 April 2011 (BST)
  42. Yes - We came, we saw, we hurt some butts. --Yodadog 17:11, 10 April 2011 (BST)
  43. Yes - Just because. --Yournewdad 18:10, 10 April 2011 (BST)
    Yes --Moglet 18:41, 10 April 2011 (BST)
    Yes --Makncheese 18:52, 10 April 2011 (BST)
    Sorry, Moglet and Makncheese, the two weeks for voting ended at 18:38.--Mallrat The Spanish Inquisition TSI The Kilt Store TKS Clubbed to Death CTD 19:01, 10 April 2011 (BST)

No

  • Come back in three months - See rule #6 above. It hasn't been four months since they went inactive. YOG only left a month or two ago, otherwise I'd say yes. Aichon 19:36, 27 March 2011 (BST)
    the forums have been down for months - as indicated here. Moloch's words don't sound like the group has been active as a group either for quite some time before. -- Spiderzed 19:52, 27 March 2011 (BST)
    say yes it's easier-- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking bitch 20:24 27 March 2011 (UTC)
    Spiderzed is correct. The group ceased to exist months ago. The forums were closed and the leader (that would be me) idled out. --Unhappydisgustingwow 07:39, 29 March 2011 (BST)
    Vote changed. Aichon 22:12, 29 March 2011 (BST)
  1. No - Very few pker groups do enough to be considered notable or historic. The only reason anyone knows who the Columbine Kids are is pretty much some very minor wiki drama. They're no Amish, Red Rum, or DEA. They didn't help make a huge event and the most you can even note them for in their nomination is as being a tag along? An Historic Group these things do not make. --Karekmaps?! 20:01, 27 March 2011 (BST)
  2. No - emphatically as Karek. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 03:36, 28 March 2011 (BST)
    No - As Aichon. -MHSstaff 03:46, 28 March 2011 (BST)
    And now..? ;o) --Papa Moloch 23:35, 30 March 2011 (BST)
    Eligible so vote Changed. -MHSstaff 00:08, 1 April 2011 (BST)
  3. NO - Who the hell are these guys never even heard of them get real don't you have actually had to of done something? Wow they should change the name from historical status to Popular disbanded group since obviously you actually never had to of done anything. This is really pathetic the Profile police didn't get voted in but the Ck do????? Everyone who ever played this game has heard of the profile police but as I said before who the hell are the theses guys. Divs 04:48, 28 March 2011 (BST)
    You've never heard of CK, yet you've heard of some obscure group called Profile Police? CK are pretty well known. --    : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : 13:18, 3 April 2011 (BST)
    it's okay.. it's bad attitude barbie what do you expect? reality. nevah.-- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking bitch 13:28 3 April 2011 (UTC)
    Oh, the irony! The reality is that Divs is not Bad Attitude Barbie (check the IPs, Einstein.) But as long as we're on the topic of reality...remember when Sexual Harrison (bitch) noted that he was a leader of NMC? *snickers* Bitch, please!--Bad Attitude BarbieSDN 17:30, 28 August 2011 (BST)
    first off loser this vote closed in april. second, so I wasn't a leader of the rangers, c4nt, QSG, and mossad? sorry just before your time i guess when the nmc was for a short time relevant. i can't check IP's on the wiki. if I really felt like i guess i could come back to the nmc and check it there. but why why bother? i don't care. you are still a trenchie loser no matter how we slice it.--User:Sexualharrison19:43, 28 August 2011 (bst)
    Bahahaha! First off, You Mad! Next, is there an expiration date on calling you out on your bullshit? *glances at her earlier post* Apparently not. *grins* Now, as to the question about whether you were leader of some groups...well I don't know! If by "leader" you mean you plastered your name as such on the wiki after having absolutely nothing to do with those groups over the course of two months and a series of successful operations, I'd have to say yes! But let's be frank, shall we? Regardless of which groups you "lead," you did NOTHING to contribute to the operations of NMC during the time you felt the need to post your name on the wiki proclaiming yourself to be among the leaders. See, this is how it works, Genius, when you boast about accomplishments you never achieved, your claims of other notable deeds lack credence.--Bad Attitude BarbieSDN 21:05, 2 September 2011 (BST)
  4. No They were typical PKers and did not do anything but typical PKer stuff. --Josh Clark 04:53, 28 March 2011 (BST)
  5. No As Karek and as Josh. --Penguinpyro 08:20, 28 March 2011 (BST)
  6. No Never heard of them. --Louis Vernon 15:03 28 March 2011 (BST)
  7. No Bad taste is neither historical or notable. Asheets 16:35, 28 March 2011 (BST)
  8. No. As Asheets. We might as well put Assholio on the Historical Groups List with his various zerging neo-Nazi groups.--Mallrat The Spanish Inquisition TSI The Kilt Store TKS Clubbed to Death CTD 18:03, 28 March 2011 (BST)
    how can you compare CK to cornhole? that insults everyones intelligence. we were at least good at what we did.-- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking bitch 05:00 29 March 2011 (UTC)
    Because both CK and Cornhole's chief claim to fame is creating wiki drama through glorifying mass-murderers. But hey, for the lulz, right?--Mallrat The Spanish Inquisition TSI The Kilt Store TKS Clubbed to Death CTD 16:43, 30 March 2011 (BST)
    Yes, it's what all murderers truly crave: To be represented as borderline-retarded, monosyllabic, repressed homosexuals who kill because they are too stupid to do anything else. That truly is the definition of glory. There are several reasons why comparisons to Cornhoolio are absolutely cretinous, including the subtle distinction between actual satire and 4Chan 'here it is LOL' vomit, the not-exactly subtle distinction between stupid and wasteful murder and mechanised and legalised genocide, and then the entirely obvious distinction between a legitimate group of UD players and a single serial-zerging mass wiki vandal. Somehow though, I suspect that aiding you in grasping these will prove a sisyphean task on a par with trying to teach a particularly stupid dog a card trick. --Papa Moloch 23:34, 30 March 2011 (BST)
    Much of what fuels mass murderers like the Columbine Kids is the desire for notoriety. You feed that notoriety and thereby encourage others. Most UD players never use the wiki so your pisspoor attempt at 'satire' is lost on them: all they see is 'Columbine Kids' tags. Even for those of us who frequent the wiki, the CK page has only got 15000 hits - FFS, even my TSI page has well over 50,000. As for Cornhole, you miss the point entirely - he's not historical, neither was this group. Hint for the future: satire is funny, not merely offensive, as Chris Morris could tell you.--Mallrat The Spanish Inquisition TSI The Kilt Store TKS Clubbed to Death CTD 20:43, 1 April 2011 (BST)
    Yes and he can also attest to the fact that for every person who enjoys a piece of satire there will be a hundred or more whiny babblers shrieking their butthurt. The fact that you cite Chris Morris as an example in the same post in which you laughably assert that a group from a minor internet browser game could influence potential future mass murderers only underlines just how inexorably stupid you actually are. I suppose then that Chris Morris is a great influence upon the next generation of paedophiles, drug dealers and suicide bombers. After all, if you draw attention to something then that means that people will think that's cool and become more likely to do it themselves, right? As a part of his work Morris has made jokes about Myra Hindley and Peter Sutcliffe, so he runs the risk of inspiring murderers too. Hell, he did it on the television for the viewing of millions.
    Your arguments are becoming increasingly garbled. You assert that Columbine Kids 'feed notoriety and thereby encourage others', then claim that they don't get enough attention to claim influence, and then subsequently cite a man who has an audience of millions and also uses representations of real-life murderers as an example of how satire 'should' be done! I'd suggest that you make up your mind, but it appears that you'd need the world's most powerful microscope simply to find it. --Papa Moloch 17:23, 2 April 2011 (BST)
    Lots of words, many insults, not much substance: looks like I touched a nerve and you're upset. Arguments by numbers for the hard-of-reading, do try to keep up: 1. Morris is funny, CK isn't. Having some wit counts for a lot in satire. 2. Most people playing UD don't read the wiki, so yes, they might well regard CK-tagged characters (shooting survivors in schools, etc.) as glorifying murderers. 3. CK claim historical status partly for stirring up wiki drama but in 6 months, even poor deluded Cornholioo's talk page got more hits than CK's talk page has in nearly two years. It's pretty easy to stir shit up; as for timed strikes, taking part in events, being runner-up in a PKer award, so what? Hardly epoch-making stuff.--Mallrat The Spanish Inquisition TSI The Kilt Store TKS Clubbed to Death CTD 18:02, 2 April 2011 (BST)
    Not upset at all: I just genuinely enjoy slapping around people who try to present arguments and fail miserably. Note how there's no argument with Paddy, Karek, et al. They make their points in a rational fashion and, regardless of whether I agree or not, get due respect for it. You simply manufacture a fatuous comparison to a mass-zerger and wiki vandal and then, when that fails dismally, you resort to the old 'glorifies'/'encourages copycats'. Even then you screw that up by citing as an example a man whose whole career would, by that measure, have inspired murder, paedophilia and drug abuse (amongst other things) on a truly immense scale. Did anyone in CK ever expect to rival Morris? Not even slightly. Who could with a wiki page and a group name? Still, I'd rather do something a little different and be compared very much unfavourably with him than be yet another lame-wit peddling the same tired references to the same tired sketch from the same tired 70s show.
    As for the number of page hits, an interesting pair of parallels there. Cornholio and TSI? Well, they have at least one thing in common... --Papa Moloch 19:15, 2 April 2011 (BST)
    Well then, hopefully as the first voter here it will be helpful that I agree with you. Claiming that you see them as Cornholio equivalents is both kinda insulting(UDWiki, so I guess it's a bit expected) and irrelevant to whether or not their historical. The Dead were grade A dicks to a lot of people, ask any DHPD memebers, still totally historical. It's not really relevant to the vote Mallrat, did they have a impact on the game that you saw aside from that? That's the question that should be being answered.--Karekmaps?! 19:22, 2 April 2011 (BST)
    Exactly. Emotional responses against and in favor of the CK should not be justification for a no or a yes vote. And the comparison with Cornholio is bullshit. --Paddy DignamIS DEAD 20:21, 2 April 2011 (BST)
    Monty Python - now there's a historical group. Karek, my point re Cornhole is that he also created wiki drama, but there's no way he'd be considered historical for that, and to highlight that (as you said), CK's dramatic impact was minor. Paddy: "did they have a impact on the game that you saw aside from that?" - No.--Mallrat The Spanish Inquisition TSI The Kilt Store TKS Clubbed to Death CTD 21:32, 2 April 2011 (BST)
    (NPOV comment: Papa Moloch has slapped poor Mallrat around like a boss) --Karloth Vois ¯\(°_o)/¯ 16:54, 3 April 2011 (BST)
    Arguments left unrefuted: that CK wasn't funny; that most UD players don't use the wiki; that even Cornhole generated more drama; that CK did nothing new as a PKer group; and that their in-game impact was minor. Moloch's had plenty of chances to come up with arguments rather than hysterical insults, and fluffed his lines every time. As I've said to Karek elsewhere, this has already had more attention from me than it deserves, so I'll leave Moloch to write another rambling essay if he wants.--Mallrat The Spanish Inquisition TSI The Kilt Store TKS Clubbed to Death CTD 17:08, 3 April 2011 (BST)
  9. No--tyx94 22:48, 28 March 2011 (BST)
  10. No- I never would have heard of them if not for the wiki, metagame drama hardly seems basis for historical status - Legion8 05:58, 30 March 2011 (BST)
    isn't that the point of the wiki? way to contradict yo'self -- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking bitch 11:31 31 March 2011 (UTC)
    -It's hardly a contradiction, I just think a group has to have actually done something in game to be 'historical'.Legion8 05:52, 2 April 2011 (BST)
    first learn how to indent. second read the bid, and our talk page, and bounties and get back to me.-- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking bitch 12:36 2 April 2011 (UTC)
    I've seen them, but I still don't think it's basis for historical status. Legion8 05:13, 3 April 2011 (BST)
  11. No- as Mallrat and Asheets.-Obi + Talk!|TZH|MDK 22:10, 30 March 2011 (BST)
  12. No - For the same reason Moloch voted no on the FOD’s bid: The CK "were undoubtedly good, but for me an historical group needs to have made a difference to the game itself. Sadly I don't think that they achieved that." Polarizing the metagame doesn’t change the way the game is played, in my opinion, nor does coordinating themed strikes. It’s true that I didn’t find the CK’s satire particularly funny or effective, but I never questioned their right to exist. They are a highly intelligent, articulate, legitimate group of UD players. But not historical. --Paddy DignamIS DEAD 23:50, 31 March 2011 (BST)
  13. No - I almost want to vote Yes to counter the they're offensive and therefore not historical argument. But from a more reasoned standpoint, I agree with Paddy. Trolling like this is fun for the whole family and they deserve a small share of our appreciation for bringing creativity and discussion to the game, just like any other group. But they were never large, they were only moderately organized, and they didn't impact the population ratio. --VVV RPGMBCWS 02:35, 1 April 2011 (BST)
  14. No As Karek. --Cat Pic.png Thadeous Oakley Talk 20:46, 1 April 2011 (BST)
  15. No As Karek. Trolls are a dime a dozen, and I only remember this group because they were trollbait (on the wiki). Otherwise, as pkers, they came, they killed, they got killed, and then they promptly left when they realized citizens in the suburb ignored them. --Private Mark 21:04, 2 April 2011 (BST)
  16. ^ --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 21:52, 2 April 2011 (BST)
  17. As AHLG and TripleU. Only reason I remember them was because of their offensive nature (which doesn't make them ahistorial, but it doesn't automatically make them historical, either.) Linkthewindow  Talk  13:58, 5 April 2011 (BST)
  18. No - Who? I reckon you have to make an impact to be historical, and they made no impact on me or anybody I game with.--Heneage 20:11, 5 April 2011 (BST)
    it might help if you played the game for more than a few months, and actually read the wiki. ya think?-- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking bitch 08:31 6 April 2011 (UTC)
    Yet funnily enough, doing both of those still made them an irrelevance. What a surprise.--Heneage 19:44, 6 April 2011 (BST)
  19. No as per most of the above Sanpedro 13:36, 6 April 2011 (BST)
  20. No - As Karek, but with less of an edge. You seem like a fine group and I've got nothing against you, rather I'm unfamiliar with your in-game historical achievements.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 15:57, 8 April 2011 (BST)
  21. No- Shock value isn't historical and opens the door to other trolls --Marc Andreas 10:02, 10 April 2011 (BST)
  22. No They seem to be a rather boring group that only achieved kills when the survivors were already fully occupied by zombies. --Herr Gerdongerdorf 18:00, 10 April 2011 (BST)
    I have to question your logic: When are survivors not occupied by zombies? We're the main antagonists, for crying out loud. --Shatari 02:41, 11 April 2011 (BST)

Aaaaaand CLOSED --Papa Moloch 18:53, 10 April 2011 (BST)

After checking the votes after deadline and checkusering unestablished users, CK has failed to achieve Historical status by one measly vote. (Or by three minutes if you count the struck decisive vote.) As this is a very close call, I'll let that sit for a day in case anyone has unresolved concerns with certain votes. -- Spiderzed 19:07, 10 April 2011 (BST)
we was robbed! -- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking bitch 19:42 10 April 2011 (UTC)
I am probably going to regret pointing this out, but here goes anyway. Strictly speaking CK passed this vote. The policy which is place states that a group must be approved by 2/3rds of voters, with a minimum of 15 votes WITHIN two weeks, i.e. not after two weeks have elapsed. The 15th vote on this was Penguinpyro's no vote at 08:20 on the 28th. At that point there were 10 yes and 5 no votes giving 2/3rds within the two weeks as stipulated by the policy. Gordon 21:19, 10 April 2011 (BST)
It's never been done nor interpreted that way though, and strictly speaking, both Aichon and I still had no votes at that point which would make it 10-7. The policy should probably be clearer. It's a good catch though.-MHSstaff 21:36, 10 April 2011 (BST)
No, it's completely stupid. The wording does nothing to suggest that. Maybe if said maximum instead :| -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 22:49, 10 April 2011 (BST)
I don't know. I can see it possibly being read like that, but it would be like the most literal interpretation you could possibly do, while also giving a big FU to the spirit of the law. -MHSstaff 22:57, 10 April 2011 (BST)
i also love how herr gerdongerorf sole contribution to UDwiki is this vote.. wonder where he can from?-- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking bitch 23:00 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Yeah. It's on both sides though, i.e. yournewdada and runaroundstu. -MHSstaff 23:03, 10 April 2011 (BST)
I can see the interpretation above, though it's stretching. To be strictly a fair vote, members of the group being considered should be ineligible to vote. P.S. I've been in the game since 2008, and I come from a place where we know how to spell and use grammar. --Herr Gerdongerdorf 23:45, 10 April 2011 (BST)
Emot-iceburn.gif --Karloth Vois ¯\(°_o)/¯ 12:03, 12 April 2011 (BST)

The 4-H

One of the bigger (at one time, at least) and more resilient localized survivor groups in Malton, The 4-H, officially closed their doors on October 6th, 2010. While not exactly a game changer, the Headhunters of Huntley Heights participated in a large number of historic events in Malton, including the defense of Stickling Mall during Shop-a-Thon 2006, the Battle of Blackmore, and the operations of Alliance 45. The group lasted two months shy of five years, secured and maintained two previously uninhabitable suburbs (Huntley Heights and Raines Hills), opened/established the long-utilized Veryard Crescent Revive Point, and employed 105+ members over the course of our time in Malton.. We also established the original public barricade plan, as well as all of the original UDwiki pages for Huntley Heights as part of our efforts to keep the survivors of the Heights informed, safe, and sound.

Unfortunately, over the years the group was decimated by a combination of griefers and a lack of new members, but I hope that those we played with (or against) can fondly remember the audacious 4H that fought the Big Bash in Shearbank (even if we did lose, hah), rather than the skeleton crew left at Vicari when we disbanded.

Farewell UD, and Happy Hunting! --Aiden H 4H 03:28, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes

  1. Yes - Submitter vote. --Aiden H 4H 03:28, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
  2. Yes - The 4-H were around for a long time, and had a great impact on Huntley and surrounding suburbs Captain Winters 04:42, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
  3. Yes - Group played an important role for years! Dweeezul 05:45, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
  4. Yes - I had a alt with this group and they were good at what they did. They taught me a thing or to about playing as a survivor and were well known. This group is worthy of being Historical.--Josh Clark 07:20, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
  5. Yes - Well-known, and considerable impact on the game. --Buddhagazelle 08:36, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
  6. Yes - 4-H was responsible for maintaining Huntly, taking revive requests, and tracking of PK players around Huntly. -- Nocho14 08:44, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
  7. Yes - I've been involved with the 4-H in some way, shape, or form since I first started playing UD back in '05, be that as an ally or an actual member of the group. We may not have influenced the entirety of Malton, but we most certainly affected Huntley and the suburbs around it rather heavily. That, and we were good at swapping bullets with quite a lot of PKers. :D --RagnaRover 02:40, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
  8. Yes - But barely. -MHSstaff 22:21, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

No

  1. Who? Never heard of this group before which generally does not imply historicalness. Linkthewindow  Talk  11:44, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
  2. As Link.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 11:45, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
  3. No -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 12:02, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
  4. Nay Judging from your wiki mentions you appear to have little overall impact.--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 12:04, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
  5. No - Have never even heard of them and I have 6 alts and waste a lot of time on wiki --    : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : 12:13, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
  6. Njet comrade Who? And your self-presentation doesn't look too overwhelming either. -- Spiderzed 17:27, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
  7. Sorry, mates. If I never heard of you, you must not have been that significant to begin with. And I'm an old UD player too. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 18:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
  8. No - I didn't grief you, thusly you can't be historical --THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 20:40, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
  9. No - Unlike the uninformed masses above, I have heard of the 4H. I know enough of their history to say that they were pretty much only relevant in Huntley Heights. They were a good group, to be sure, but they didn't add much to the experience of other players - beyond being a bullet sponge for a fair number of PKers and PKer groups. --DTPraise KnowledgePK 22:59, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
  10. Who? - Meatpuppet army! Thine ranks are thin, and thou shalt surly fall! --VVV RPGMBCWS 00:28, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
  11. No - Nothing special. --Papa Moloch 07:46, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
  12. No - Local and quiet, however enduring or legitimate a group. Little ripples do not move mighty oceans. Something zen like that. Nothing to be done! 23:11, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Failed. With less than 50% support, this bid obviously has. -- Spiderzed 01:31, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Big Bash 3

BB3. Many of you were fortunate enough to have been a part of it or taken apart by it. For those of you who were, there's no need to explain any of this stuff to you since you were there. You saw it. You felt it. For those that missed it, however, it was something BIG, and it had a planned beginning and end.

Game Impact: We began in the wake of Escape on June 3rd of last year. BB3 started out in the southwest corner of Malton, did a giant looparound the city, had to pause periodically to let folks catch up since we were moving too fast, and finished things up 4 months and a week later with dozens upon dozens of our tag-wearing group members descending on the historic Whetcombe Park, in tribute to those that went On Strike. During that time, we ruined partied in 48 suburbs, though we also ate the brains of dozens of other suburbs that were fortunate enough to be adjacent to those 48. We moved through suburbs so quickly that most survivors never even knew we were coming until their suburb was ruined, and though no official count was kept, it's probably safe to say that thousands, if not tens of thousands, of brains were eaten by our members in the four months we were active. Backing that up, the survivor to zombie ratio shifted from about 70:30 when we started, to more like 40:60 when we ended.

Community Impact: I believe that at our peak we were the largest organized group in the game, which is made all the more impressive by the fact that we had numerous other groups that joined us while keeping their own tags, plus a massive feral cloud that could be felt from suburbs away. A cloud so renowned, in fact, that more than once since we disbanded, many of us have heard the cry of an ignorant survivor as they declared, "Its [sic] Big Bash 3!" when a random zombie breached a building. It's happened so often, in fact, that the Philosophe Knights even satirized the occurrence during a play they staged. The fact that the Malton Herald & Sun featured BB3, coupled with the fact that we disbanded suddenly (but intentionally) while we were still the second largest organized group in the game probably led to the confusion.

Strategic Impact: We advocated the use of attack windows in addition to strike teams, which ensured that even without coordination and communication, we still struck as a horde. Tactics such as these are what led to a healthy Fort Creedy and Giddings Mall falling within hours of each other after we moved into the suburb. Having a horde didn't hurt either, of course.

Wiki Impact: Did I mention that we have a kick-ass group page? And that we had received over 3000 page views of a countdown we posted a week in advance of when we officially started? We were also the most-linked group page for most of our run.

Other Impact: BRA!NZ.

Aichon 22:41, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes

  1. Yes - The party may have ended, but we still have the memories, and there's no denying that we made a big impact while we were around. I've been waiting for the four-month inactive timer to finish up so I could finally post this, and today is the day. Aichon 22:46, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
  2. Yes - If you want to talk about things with an impact in 2010, Big Bash should be high up on your list if you don't want to be laughed at. -- Spiderzed 22:53, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
  3. Yes - Wow has it been four months already. I was there and it was indeed groundbreaking. Just look at the suburb map history for June, July, August, and particularly September of 2010 and you'll see just what kind of impact was made. The group made a lasting impact on the game which lasted many, many weeks after (and to an extent before) the events. It was definitely historic. ~Vsig.png 22:55, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
  4. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 23:42, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
  5. Yes - I had fun! -- Bisfan 01:17, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
  6. Yes - I don't think a horde has ever moved around the map so fast. Good times and great memories.-- Skoll Die 01:45, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
  7. Yes - Had a clear impact on game history that in many ways, defined and dictated 2010 for UD. -MHSstaff 04:18, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
  8. Just because it didn't come up against the same survivor opposition as BB2 (and therefore won't be remembered as much for great battles, impact etc.) doesn't mean it isn't worthy of wearing the historical tag. Just because we were too weak to make any notable stands against BB3 doesn't make BB3 worse in itself. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 05:34, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
  9. I heard of them, and I was nearly inactive. Linkthewindow  Talk  08:01, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
  10. The standout happening of the last two years. BB3 revitalised a dying zombie metagame and defined the standard of play for a huge duration of time. Nothing to be done! 13:19, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
  11. --AORDMOPRI ! T 21:00, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
  12. Yes, BB3 was awesome, and the fact that it came at the end of Escape was the perfect cherry on top. --Shatari 22:18, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
  13. Sure - Why not?--Amber Waves of Pain 10:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
  14. Hell yes --Maverick Talk - OBR Praise Knowledge! 404 06:29, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
  15. YES BRA!NZ!!!!!--Akbar 00:22, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
  16. Yes The speed in which this mega-horde ripped through suburbs was astonishing. Revitalised the zombie game it seems, and Malton hasn't been half as safe during or since. --BOSCH 02:18, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
  17. Yes -
    This Big Bash triumphed.
    I'm making a note here, HUGE SUCCESS.
    It's hard to overstate my satisfaction.
    It's the third Big Bash:
    We killed who we could because we must;
    For the good of all of us-
    At least the ones who are dead.
    -
    But there's no sense crying over every mistake,
    You just keep on killing 'till you run out of hate.
    And the slaughter gets done
    And you cut the flow of guns
    To the people who are still alive.
    -
    I am still hungry.
    I'm being so sincere right now.
    Even though we ate your heart and killed you.
    And tore you to pieces.
    And threw every piece into our stomachs.
    As you died it hurt because
    We were so happy for you.
    -
    But those points of action brought a beautiful time
    To a great faction, who's strength only climbed
    So I'm GLaD the bash returned, think of all the meals we've turned
    Into the people who are not alive.
    -
    Be lucid and vote Yes
    You know it deserves to be recalled
    Unless you find something else that moved you
    Maybe Escape II
    That was a joke, ha ha, FAT CHANCE
    Anyway your brain is great
    It's so delicious and moist.
    -
    Look at me still talking when there's murder to do
    When I look out there it makes me GLaD we killed you
    So those breathers better run, 'cause we're loose to have some fun
    On the people who are still alive.
    -
    And believe me we were not alive.
    We murdered people and were not alive.
    We felt fantastic and were not alive.
    While you were dying we were not alive.
    And when you died we remained not alive.
    Not alive.
    NOT ALIVE --VVV RPGMBCWS 07:49, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
  18. Yarp --Karloth Vois ¯\(°_o)/¯ 22:24, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
  19. Yus - As TripleU --DTPraise KnowledgePK 00:38, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
  20. Yes - sound pretty important to me. And I know what sounds important (I don't really) Louis Vernon 00:20, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

No

  1. No -Big Bash 3 was to Big Bash as Godfather 3 was to the Godfather.--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 22:57, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
  2. No I thought I'd be the only one. The Impact was much less than either of its predecessors and was nothing new. (I can see why people would vote yes, but I've always fallen back on the question "Did they change the game?" when I vote. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 23:00, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
    I can see where you're coming from, but by your standard I don't think that we'll ever see any new groups enter the ranks of Historical Group, which isn't fair to those that are worthy of note. And if you're looking for game changing or new, it shifted the population balance drastically and introduced a new method of coordinating a feral horde that I have not heard of being used prior to it at this scale. As Spiderzed said, any mention of 2010 should include it. Aichon 23:16, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
    Remind me why you voted for Blackmore XVIII as an historic event again. -MHSstaff 04:22, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
  3. No - BB3 was impressive and it did demonstrate that the survivor player base is evaporating (confirmed by the recent GSGM). Furthermore, it is now clear that the remaining metagamers are basically zombies. So the fallout from the bash has lead to a significant revelation. However when considering a big bash or a big prick or a mall tour or escape etc, I think it's enough to include the first of each of these events as historically significant, rather than each subsequent one.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 04:13, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
    I have to disagree with this statement. The survivor player base is not evaporating. The zombie player base is. When I checked the stats yesterday to update Organization XIII's page, the population favors the survivors, and it still favors survivors right now. As of right now, the current ratio stands at 39% zombies, 61% survivors. I'd like to know: where have all the zombie metagamers gone to? --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 04:33, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
    I don't really agree with Giles, but his argument is more about the organized, player base who metagame/use forums/are in groups rather than the population as a whole. -MHSstaff 04:56, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
  4. No - I say this as somebody who's zed took part in BB3, or at least tried. I had extreme difficulty ever finding the horde, and ending up sitting outside Caiger Mall for 3 months. I find myself agreeing with Giles, Ross, and sadly, Anime Sucks. This wasn't really on the scale of the other bashes, imo.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 07:34, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
  5. No - as Yonnua above, the third Bash didn't bother to update the wiki enough, anyone trying to follow via the wiki would find themselves a suburb or two behind, wandering ruins. Seemed kinda selfish. Plus the grande finale we were promised was a waste of time sitting around waiting for nothing for a few weeks. Saying that, it was kinda historical, and had its moments, but fuck it - am punishing its inadequacies with a NO. --    : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : 09:13, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
  6. Nay A big horde steamrolling Malton historical? No. More like day to day business. Compared to BB2, it really isn't anything special. Mostly as the others too. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png Talk 11:11, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
  7. No - As Anime. --Papa Moloch 14:13, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
  8. NO as above except for thad.----sexualharrisonStarofdavid2.png ¯\(Boobs.gif)/¯ 16:52, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
  9. No - due to peer pressure. I was involved in it, but I didnt see it being that huge it needs historical status.--Rapture 23:03, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
  10. No -- Sad to say, but the math is simple. Escape =! Historical, BB3 << Escape (due to the fact that BB3 came from Escape), therefore BB =! Historical. Besides, according to the map on the page, they didn't even manage to hit every single 'burb before giving up. Asheets 23:08, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
    Um BB3 came from Escape what? Can I have some of what you're smoking?-- Skoll Die 23:17, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
    This gentleman seems to be mistaking Big Bash 3 with The Red Death, which is a smallish horde which joined BB3 after the Bash was already rolling. Praise Knowledge, down with Ignorance! --DTPraise KnowledgePK 00:41, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
  11. Nah - Like YoKo above, I got lost dead early into it with mah zambah. Lost, or bored, can't remember which now. Either way, it was balls. ~ Kempy “YaketyYak” | ◆◆◆ | CAPD | 13:08, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
  12. No - as said above --Efighter 16:53, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
  13. No - Just not really as important as the first two. And I'd consider Escape more noteworthy in 2010.-- Adward  17:53, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
  14. No - I was going to attend but it had all been done 1st and 2nd time --C Whitty 20:30, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
  15. No - BB3 did not raise or even meet the bar set by previous Bashing. --ZiPbeep boopMH+LUE 20:08, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

With an approval rate of ~57%, BB3 has failed. -- Spiderzed 14:45, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

But...but...but...Trips gave such a poetic speechsong. :( ~Vsig.png 14:53, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Big Survivors Little Survivor

Anyway, as unlikely to succeed as it is, I'd like to nominate Big Survivors Little Survivor for Historical status.

You probably have no idea who they were. It's unsurprising.

To Paraphrase.

  • BSLS were the first group of any description to be created in Borehamwood.
  • BSLS members hold the records for both "largest survived suicide repair in a perma death city." (350ap) and "largest suicide repair ever attempted" (529ap)
  • BSLS were the largest organised survivor group, before the meta combined all survivor groups into a single lump.
  • BSLS helped implement the standardised 28.06 radio channel throughout borehamwood alongside Galaxy News Radio
  • BSLS helped in the hunt for Game Over actively tracking Borehamwood's only publicised PK'er group. In the end we managed to wipe out their two leaders, whilst other survivors finished the job.
  • BSLS had Borehamwood's only international celebrity, namely Dermot O'leary. Famed throughout the city for his habit of suicide repairs without telling anyone.

So what? I here you say. Did the BSLS do anything game changing or unique? Well I believe they did.

  • BSLS helped discover, understand and fix the single most game breaking error in Urban Dead history, namely the free repair of all buildings with a repair cost of more than 150ap. Rather than exploit a bug that could of led to the reclamation of the entire ruined city in only a month and against the advice of some radical survivors, the Little Survivor's suspended all repairs, and tried to stop the game from massively screwing zombies. As one member commented. "We've stayed ahead of the zombies so far, we don't need this."

And on a slightly more annoying note,

  • BSLS were finally wiped out when User:Rosslessness requested Kevan bring snow to Urban dead. Less than a day later the last of the group was devoured by a feral who simply followed their footprints.

Which is why you now get....

So there you go. I look forward to your, "WWWHHOOOOOOO?" comments. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 17:38, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes

  1. Yes Obviously. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 17:40, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
  2. Yes but maybe have subcategories for the different cities. -MHSstaff 17:42, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
    If there was more than one, then yes. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 17:55, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
    I see. Cross that bridge when you have more than one in Borehamwood/Monroeville?-MHSstaff 18:00, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
    It's been suggested in the past, pretty sure it was rejected because both those categories would be pretty much empty. Linkthewindow  Talk  14:44, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
  3. I could vouch for this. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 17:44, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
  4. Who?--Michalesonbadge.pngTCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 17:46, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
    You placed your vote in the wrong space >:P --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png Talk 17:51, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
    I do know who they are, but Ross said he was looking foreward to who comments :P --Michalesonbadge.pngTCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 19:16, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
  5. Yes - Have missed Borehamwood, but even I have heard of some of their accomplishments before. -- Spiderzed 17:52, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
  6. Aye - Who? Usually when I say who I go "Nay" but not here. Their accomplishments are quite impressive. I didn't play in Borehamwood, so I can't blame the group for not being known to me. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png Talk 18:06, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
  7. Yes - may as well. BTW Dermot's wasn't Borehamwood's only celeb [[4]] --    : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : 19:15, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
  8. What you mean it isn't historical yet? Something died inside me when I didn't get to kill Dermot--which feels well funny when you're already very dead. Make it so. And add the Monroeville Many, while you're at it. --Sophie ◆◆◆ CAPD 19:34, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
  9. They were a seriously important group - I've heard alot about them, and I did very little in Borehamwood.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:21, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
  10. yes but Zombie Davina does not approve of anyone else eating Dermot! --Honestmistake 21:21, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
  11. Yes - It's a bit of a case of a big fish in a small pond type of situation, as I see it. They might not have been anything special had they been in Malton, but in B-wood, they stood out from what I've heard, and really shaped and defined that city. Aichon 21:26, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
  12. Yes - BSLS are one of the few non-Malton groups to have had a significant impact on the wider game, and are responsible for one of the game's few truly iconic characters, too. Nothing to be done! 21:53, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
  13. Yes as Thad. I didn't get into borehamwood, but those are impressive accomplishments. (maybe not so if they were in malton, but they weren't) --†hana†ologis† (talk) 02:33, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
  14. Yes even if I didn't grab Dermot's sig when I had the chance.--ZIPO/Talk/◆◆/CAPD 05:48, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
  15. Pretty much as Aich. Linkthewindow  Talk  14:27, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
  16. Yes they played with a straight bat --C Whitty 15:09, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
  17. Yes -- Rahrah is pumped that he's going to lose another Manhunt. 15:43, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
    welcome back Rorybob!--Michalesonbadge.pngTCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 18:31, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
  18. User:Whitehouse 21:55, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

No

  1. Meh - Being the first group in the city, if true, would be worthy if there were some separate category for borehamwood, but the rest looks like padding the resume - finding a bug, doing survivor things like working with other groups and repairing buildings, getting killed when zombies found the last member, etc. This isn't to diminish the fun they had playing or the significance of the group in their own context, mainly I just can't get excited enough about a borehamwood group to put them on par with the historical entries from the main game.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 18:24, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
  2. ahNO - it pains me to agree with giles.----sexualharrisonStarofdavid2.png ¯\(Boobs.gif)/¯ 02:37, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
    Love you too sexy ;) --GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 14:29, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
  3. Who? - As Giles. --VVV RPGMBCWS 18:28, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
  4. No - Borehamwood, snorehamwood. --Papa Moloch 22:06, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
  5. Nope --Efighter 13:58, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
  6. No As Giles and Papa Asheets 16:25, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
  7. No Having a historical group from Borehamwood would be like giving an Emmy to someone in Joanie Loves Chachi. Spinoffs hardly ever work. Unless its Golden Girls, which this is not.--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 17:03, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
  8. No fuck no Spud 01:50, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
  9. No absolutely not! --Akbar 04:13, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
  10. No Borehamwood, snorehamwood. I also hear password sharing, zerging and other asshattery accusations all the time regarding the group. Also where is my sig button
    There was no sig button, so I didnt use it so goi shuffle paper somewhere else.--Rapture 00:50, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
    no thanks, I like fixing problems with people who can't read rules -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 03:20, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
    Whatever makes you feel important--Rapture 20:01, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
    The zerging accusations are complete rubbish. As is standard practice I'm more than willing to give Anime and the resenitised boys my Beerhah.Com password so they can read through the groups messages and private forum to confirm this. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:51, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
    Fair enough, I still vote No though.--Rapture 20:01, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
    Fair Enough. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:02, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
    heh, I found it amusing to password share to prove that there wasn't password sharing.--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 20:15, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
    There's no rule about sharing passwords on forums is there? Is there? (There might be?) --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:24, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
  11. No Helluva absolutely fuck not no -- Skoll Die 23:08, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
  12. No - bb3 and escape not historical but this? -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 00:10, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
  13. No You start your proposal with 'You probably have no idea who they were. It's unsurprising.' So surely it should be a No for a historical group vote? Louis Vernon 12:04, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

With 18 for and 13 against, BSLS has failed this time. -- Spiderzed 20:28, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

The Grove

The Grove formed out of a loose coalition in Judgewood in the early months of the game's existence. Seeing the need for a combined effort in an area lean on resources, the coalition became The Grove, named for their headquarters, the Brentnal Grove PD. Active in defending nearby Caiger Mall in many of the early seiges, they were a fixture in the NW corner until disbanding in 2009. In addition to their dedicated defence of Judgewood, the group made periodic tours out of their home base, lending a hand in a number of mall seiges. This group fought long and hard in this vulnerable corner, and as a result were one of the first groups to encounter Extinction in their early attempts to dominate the NW, and kept tbeir headquarters a safe haven for survivors.^^^^

Yes

  1. Yes. This group protected Judgewood long and well. Anyone who spent any appreciable time in Judgewood would know this. Rib15 03:59, 12 October 2010 (BST) - Rib15
  2. Absolutely. The Grove are the stuff of legends in these parts. Well, maybe not legends, but they're still very notable around here. ~~ Chief Seagull ~~ talk 09:20, 12 October 2010 (BST)
  3. Yeah, maybe. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 09:27, 12 October 2010 (BST)
  4. You talked me into it. True I'd never heard of them, but they apparently hit 28th on the stat page at one time and they look and feel like one of those old school groups that formed organically in game. Nice little slice of UD history.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 11:51, 12 October 2010 (BST)
  5. Borderline, but as a long-time resident of Judgewood, sure. Asheets 16:06, 12 October 2010 (BST)
  6. Yes - A great group in the Northwest of Malton, they deserve to be remembered for their efforts in and around Judgewood, as well as everything they did while on tour around the city. A classy survivor group. Aichon 22:00, 12 October 2010 (BST)
  7. The page looked suspect. However, they did have some grounds to boast. I'm going to say yes. --keepster33 00:58, 13 October 2010 (BST)
  8. weak yes i remember fighting extinstinktion and the dead with these chaps. they were small and kept to themselves but a good group none the less. and yes i remember what color my shit was yesterday.----sexualharrisonStarofdavid2.png ¯\(Boobs.gif)/¯ 17:03, 13 October 2010 (BST)
  9. Super Weak Yes - I have never heard of The Grove, but I haven't been up to the NW corner for anything either. Certainly sounds like a group worthy of the historical section on the Judgewood suburb page, but I leave it to others to make a case for them being historical beyond that. --Maverick Talk - OBR Praise Knowledge! 404 07:20, 14 October 2010 (BST)
  10. Never knew them personally but they seem like they were a good bunch. Weeks MCDU Malton Civil Defense Unit 01:58, 17 October 2010 (BST)
  11. Considering there are no real criteria for historical eligibility other than being disbanded, I'm going to throw in on the Yes side due to sheer longevity (~5 years is pretty impressive) and the fact that I remember bumping into these guys with my survivor. Good luck with the nom, and sorry to see yet another small local group closing down. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 03:11, 26 October 2010 (BST)

No

  1. I say, who are you? --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 03:53, 12 October 2010 (BST)
  2. This is beyond a joke. Nothing to be done! 03:54, 12 October 2010 (BST)
  3. I've heard of you, but I don't think you're at all notable.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 08:12, 12 October 2010 (BST)
  4. -- LEMON #1 12:06, 12 October 2010 (BST)
    Move to strike. According to the rules, there must be a yes or a no vote. This post has neither. How do you know if this isn't an incorrectly placed Yes? Rib15 16:25, 21 October 2010 (BST)
    You're being petty (seriously...I'm tempted to arbitrarily renounce my Yes vote after seeing everything you've said here), and no, the rules do not say that. According to the voting rules (which are to the side), the only valid voting sections are Yes and No. Placing your vote in one of them is sufficient to vote that way (thus satisfying point #3 of the policy at the top of the page). Aichon 21:18, 21 October 2010 (BST)
    Read the voting rules above and don't you dare touch my vote. -- LEMON #1 03:24, 26 October 2010 (BST)
  5. Is this Shit Nominations Month or something? --Papa Moloch 15:23, 12 October 2010 (BST)
    Anyone from the Northwest should have been aware of them and their influence in the area. They're just one of those groups that had a decently large impact in the areas they helped out, and had lots of cool people with them. That said, last I checked, they don't meet #6 above (i.e. they haven't been disbanded for at least 4 months). Can someone from The Grove confirm that they have indeed been inactive for 4 months already? I've only seen their former group members start joining new groups as of a week or two ago, so I was under the impression that was when they had disbanded (but since they were on tour for so long before that, I may have just missed it). If someone can confirm it for me, I'll switch my vote to a Yes. Aichon 19:29, 12 October 2010 (BST)
    I don't know. This is a very weak no. Only on the grounds that this seems like a trenchcoater group. If anyone can confirm or deny this please do so. --keepster33 20:35, 12 October 2010 (BST)
    Hi, thanks for the questions. Aichon: Bilko disbanded the group on their forums in August of 2009. He said: "As the last remaining Elder in game I guess it's up to me to lock up the place. I wish all the people I've met in game good luck and a happy life. Thanks for the fun. Darryl (Bilko). Keepster33: No trenchcoating here. Just defending Judgewood against often overwhelming odds and a long tour of Malton in 2007 helping out far and wide. I was in the group and have just got back on after an overlong absence and found the place shut down. They were good people and deserve to be remembered. The USAI and Cannonball Crew were among their allies. Hope this helps.Rib15 21:17, 12 October 2010 (BST)
  6. No, you've got to be kidding.-Fallout11 21:30, 12 October 2010 (BST)
  7. Who? - Never expanded very far from their home base, never had many members, never did anything worth remembering. --VVV RPGMBCWS 00:37, 13 October 2010 (BST)
    Please reconsider your vote. Lots of groups, like the Dribbling Beavers, dedicate themselves to defending a single suburb. The Grove was also involved in the early seiges of Caiger Mall, which are almost universally considered classics. Also, read the summary of the group's 2007 tour of Malton. Rib15 16:19, 21 October 2010 (BST)
    1.) They aren't insignificant because they focused on one suburb, they're insignificant because they never got it safe enough that they could move farther out (like the RRF does in Greater Ridleybank), because they were never powerful enough to have that much of an effect. 2.) Lots of groups attend sieges. EVIL went to escape, and they aren't historical. 3.) Going on a tour is not historical. --VVV RPGMBCWS 17:10, 21 October 2010 (BST)
  8. Who? - --Kooks 23:10, 13 October 2010 (BST)
  9. An old group is not always a historical one.--Mallrat The Spanish Inquisition TSI The Kilt Store TKS Clubbed to Death CTD 17:41, 14 October 2010 (BST)
    If you carry that reasoning forward, then most museums should throw out large portions of their collections. After all, they're only old kitchen items...I see that FES has historical status. They defended only a single BUILDING! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rib15 (talkcontribs) at an unknown time.
  10. Is this a joke? --Radio 03:31, 17 October 2010 (BST)
  11. You glance at a man with black rimmed glasses. Before you ask him for approval, he says "No." --Noted Literature critic, Mead Sheaffer. 05:20, 17 October 2010 (BST)
  12. ...Hasn't Judgewood been predominantly ruined until fairly recently? My alt used to run through there last year and never iced one of these fellas. Criminally Insane Talk | LoD 05:24, 20 October 2010 (BST)
    Of course you didn't see them. They're disbanded. That's why they're being considered for historical status.And I just looked: Brentnal Grove PD is operating just fine. The Grove maintained that as a stronghold and the tradition continues.Rib15 16:19, 21 October 2010 (BST)
    Pork Chop Sandwiches Although this vote has neither a yes or a no (and may even theoretically be misplaced), the world may never know. -- Shatari 04:10, 26 October 2010 (BST)Voting had closed
    NO, so sayeth the Blob! --Dr summeroff 19:15, 26 October 2010 (BST)Voting had closed

With 11 For and 12 Against, The Grove has failed to achieve historical group status at this time. Aichon 21:02, 26 October 2010 (BST)

The Penny Heights OGs

Yes

they were loud on the old Proboards Forums way back in 2005. Several historical pages link to them. Zombeater
No timestamp vote struck. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 20:13, 6 October 2010 (BST)
  1. Not quite the level of impact of a group like DARIS but unique enough in my mind during the early stages of UD that they shouldn't be left to rot in the dust. Strike this. -MHSstaff 20:26, 6 October 2010 (BST)
  2. Fine, here we go again, timestaped: they were loud on the old Proboards Forums way back in 2005. Several historical pages link to them. Zombeater 20:28, 6 October 2010 (BST)
    I fixed your entry so it doesn't mess up the counting. Not that the "Yes" section will need a lot of counting.-MHSstaff 20:29, 6 October 2010 (BST)
    Two links out of the fifteen links are historical, but regardless, having links on the pages of historical groups/coalitions does not make a group historical. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 06:30, 7 October 2010 (BST)
  3. Yes, but the page needs to be expanded - The Penny Heights OGs were one of the first PKer groups to step forward and say: "Hey, we're a PKer group.", which at that time, was not common. Most groups of that time were still pretending to be pro-survivor, so they enjoy the plausible deniability of being a "survivor group", but could get away with PKing random people. Unfortunately, it seems that their low numbers, a schism in the group (note the leadership change), and the open declaration of being a PKer group, hastened their demise. Despite being a small group, you can see that they yellowed Penny Heights, took over two hospitals, and even took a stand with DARIS against the CoL. Also, if you look at the history for the page, Max Grivas was advocating that they be nominated for Historical Groups back in 2007. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 22:09, 19 October 2010 (BST)

No

  1. Never heard of 'em, and they have no real achievements. Moving on... --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 20:04, 6 October 2010 (BST)
  2. What a joke. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 20:04, 6 October 2010 (BST)
  3. I've never heard of them, and If AH hasn't either, they probably weren't that notable.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:11, 6 October 2010 (BST)
  4. It's enough that the United Territories Federation is historical. Plus Who? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:18, 6 October 2010 (BST)
  5. No thanks. Nothing to be done! 20:33, 6 October 2010 (BST)
  6. Not heard if them, + they are small--Michalesonbadge.pngTCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 20:46, 6 October 2010 (BST)
  7. Who. The. Fuck? --Papa Moloch 21:38, 6 October 2010 (BST)
  8. To quote the Bard, "Who?" Aichon 22:12, 6 October 2010 (BST)
  9. I've had characters in PH for years, and I've never once heard a mention of this group. Asheets 22:35, 6 October 2010 (BST)
  10. -- LEMON #1 22:46, 6 October 2010 (BST)
  11. It appears that during their time in UD a mere 5 wiki users ever had cause to comment on their talk page, and then it was only to remark that the group didn't appear to exist. This, and comments from others asking "who?" would indicate they haven't made the kind of impact on the game that is generally deemed necessary for historical status consideration.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 23:23, 6 October 2010 (BST)
  12. Spam - We need a better system of trashing these idiotic claims for fame. --VVV RPGMBCWS 01:09, 7 October 2010 (BST)
  13. Who? What? Why? There's not anything remarkable in any of those categories. No. --keepster33 03:16, 7 October 2010 (BST)
  14. poop as everybody else.----sexualharrisonStarofdavid2.png ¯\(Boobs.gif)/¯ 04:16, 7 October 2010 (BST)
  15. I've never heard of them either... --Colette Hart 06:27, 7 October 2010 (BST)
  16. Sorry, the historical significance of this group cannot be found at the moment. Please leave a NARP after the beep. Beep. ~~ Chief Seagull ~~ talk 13:30, 7 October 2010 (BST)
  17. You know, most groups vying for historical status at least include a summary of what they've accomplished here. Was there nothing to say? --Shatari 18:15, 7 October 2010 (BST)
  18. Can't say that they were that important, or at least important enough to be historical. They were pretty obnoxious as I recall, on a specific forum I lost the link to.--Mead 23:46, 7 October 2010 (BST)
  19. Oh Glorious Blob, give me guidance as I vote on...on...ermmm...pssst, Marinus, who are these guys again? Ahh yes, the Penny Heights something or other. *The Blob simply Stares and blinks once or twice.*...I take that as a No then? Very well. NO. --Dr summeroff 00:22, 8 October 2010 (BST)
    The blob has eyes?? >.> -- LEMON #1 23:39, 19 October 2010 (BST)
  20. I would never vote for an Olive Grove, no matter where its located! --Justin 01:50, 8 October 2010 (BST)
  21. Who?--VinnyMendoza 02:16, 8 October 2010 (BST)
  22. Kilroy8675309 19:07, 9 October 2010 (BST)
  23. no, no, no... no --    : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : 00:40, 10 October 2010 (BST)
  24. No, never heard of 'em.. --KujiMuji 1:36, 10 October 2010 (BST)
  25. Never heard of them. They don't seem to be making a large enough impression in the game. --Citric union 17:42, 11 October 2010 (BST)
  26. Once again, you have got to be kidding. No.-Fallout11 21:31, 12 October 2010 (BST)
  27. Narp. I'm guessing this vote was the biggest impact they ever had on UD. --Mallrat The Spanish Inquisition TSI The Kilt Store TKS Clubbed to Death CTD 17:33, 14 October 2010 (BST)
  28. Did they ever exist to begin with? Weeks MCDU Malton Civil Defense Unit 23:34, 16 October 2010 (BST)


Ackland Abattoir

way back in the day, actually right near the beginning of the game, the Ackland Abattoir ravaged havercroft, and Ackland Mall Security with its attacks and tricks. being such a plight to the suburb itself way back when, countless scores of survivors, newbies, and now veteran players fell victim to their tactics. As of right now, this group has been disbanded for quite some time, and only has one remaining member who does not recruit, yet proudly keeps his group status on his profile the same. i remember seeing them shortly before/after the Battle of the Bear Pit. i commune with this remaining member quite often actually, as it is nice to reminisce about the good old days. they terrorized our suburb for a long while, and i believe they deserve the due credit Nuerotoxic2213 19:30, 4 September 2010 (BST)

Yes

  1. Similar impact on the game as several other groups that have been given historical status - i.e. Shambling Seagulls, the Gray, Ars Requiem. -MHSstaff 06:15, 5 September 2010 (BST)
    Yeah, but only 0.4 of those 3 groups will survive The Great Historical Group Purge. --VVV RPGMBCWS 06:27, 5 September 2010 (BST)
    And let it be a swift and merciless purge when it comes -- LEMON #1 08:57, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  2. Yup. Sadly, pretty much nobody will remember them, so this vote is pretty much doomed, but for my money they deserve Historical. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 16:58, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  3. Yes. I've worked in the area a lot & have met countless Ackland Abbatoir members, although not recently. Seem to remember they smashed the Mall several times, with style. Made quite a impact on survivors & survivor groups in this area. --Jsrbrunty 19:44, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  4. Yeah, they sounded interesting. --Blades 02:48, 6 September 2010 (BST)
  5. Jeez. I'm so sad nobody remembers these guys. I saw the name on the front page, and I was all, "Holy shit, you mean those guys from back when I first started playing?" They were cool :V Cool enough to get my completely meaningless vote. RinKou 01:40, 9 September 2010 (BST)

No

  1. Who? Never heard of you. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 19:57, 4 September 2010 (BST)
  2. See Thad's reason. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 20:16, 4 September 2010 (BST)
  3. I'm gonna have to go with Thad on this one. -- Emot-argh.gif 20:21, 4 September 2010 (BST)
  4. Their news have been regularly updated for, what, 2.5 months from May to July 2006? They better should have made a hell of an impact during that quarter year they've been actually active. -- Spiderzed 20:23, 4 September 2010 (BST)
  5. Thad nailed it.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 20:25, 4 September 2010 (BST)
  6. bad -- LEMON #1 22:52, 4 September 2010 (BST)
  7. Fixed your link in case in helps your bid, but I've followed the goings on of most of the important PKer groups in Malton and have heard of these guys only in the briefest of asides. Nothing to be done! 22:56, 4 September 2010 (BST)
  8. Thad nailed it. Also, if their leader is still around and hasn't disbanded it, I don't know that this meets rule #6 of the policy. Aichon 23:51, 4 September 2010 (BST)
  9. As Yonnua. --VVV RPGMBCWS 00:06, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  10. This might be the worst nomination ever. --Papa Moloch 01:07, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  11. I browse the wiki quite a lot to read about Malton history and I've never heard of these guys.-- Rolfe Steiner Talk | Creedy Guerrilla Raiders 02:18, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  12. Fail. I thought actual in-game impact was a prerequisite. Criminally Insane Talk | LoD
  13. I have no idea who these guys are. --Huntress 07:33, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  14. As Thad.--Mallrat The Spanish Inquisition TSI The Kilt Store TKS Clubbed to Death CTD 17:04, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  15. Sorry but never heard of you or your past glory --DiSm ~ T 17:58, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  16. Why? You were post-Ackland Damien falcon 22:06, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  17. Who? Asheets 00:01, 6 September 2010 (BST)
  18. I know nothing of your work --Zensaga 01:00, 6 September 2010 (BST)
  19. Not historical --Papa Johnny 08:46, 6 September 2010 (BST)
  20. As Aichon and Rolfe Steiner. --Maverick Talk - OBR Praise Knowledge! 404 21:15, 6 September 2010 (BST)
  21. as moloch----sexualharrisonStarofdavid2.png ¯\(Boobs.gif)/¯ 23:03, 6 September 2010 (BST)
  22. No. According to their files, they have done very little in regards to noteworthiness. -- SDN 12:05, 8 September 2010 (BST)
  23. After carefull thought, deliberation and a perusal of the historical records, the Blob has rendered his verdict: No. --Dr summeroff 00:17, 9 September 2010 (BST)
    Never heard of them. --    : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : 02:45, 20 September 2010 (BST) Voting had closed.

Voting has closed. With 5 For and 23 Against, Ackland Abattoir has Failed to achieve historical status. Aichon 04:32, 20 September 2010 (BST)

PTT

It's been ages since I've seen any of the members active, and it's also been ages since I've seen them on the stats page. The group was made up of a bunch of members on a Taiwanese bulletin board system under the same name of the group. They came into existence in late 2006, and held strong until early 2007 (from what I know, at least). Their base of operations was situated around Shearbank. They've reached over 200 in weeks, took a small part in Battle of Blackmore, and were a major force in defending Shearbank from Shacknews after Shacknews came in and ravaged Blackmore. If anything, they were probably the largest group whose players originated from Taiwan. And believe me, their presence gave Malton a good feel of having a mixed-culture population, especially since the majority of the players in Urban Dead speaks English.

Yes

  1. Yes - Those were good old days, all right, and these guys were a big help in many major sieges back then. If you ask me, Shearbank should have been renamed to China Town due to the large Chinese speaking population stationed there. ;) --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 16:28, 3 September 2010 (BST)
  2. Yes - The name rang a bell, but the wiki page brought it all back. Certainly deserve it.-- Adward  17:02, 3 September 2010 (BST)
    Heh. Remember when the SysOps of old thought the first few users trying to create the group page were adbots? xD --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 17:06, 3 September 2010 (BST)
    My lurker memories of old remember that :3 -- Adward  18:57, 3 September 2010 (BST)
  3. Yes --User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 17:29, 3 September 2010 (BST)
  4. Yes - Their page is even in the top 10 most visited on the wiki, and for good reason. Aichon 18:52, 3 September 2010 (BST)
  5. Yep --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 18:54, 3 September 2010 (BST)
  6. Yes - A great group. Redoubt 19:40, 3 September 2010 (BST)
  7. Yes - They did their part. -- Rolfe Steiner Talk | Creedy Guerrilla Raiders 03:40, 4 September 2010 (BST)
  8. Yeah - As a long time resident of Shearbank, I have seen them often in the past. Left a good impression. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 10:12, 4 September 2010 (BST)
  9. 200+ members and over 447,000 group page views! If they were still active they could boss Malton.--Mallrat The Spanish Inquisition TSI The Kilt Store TKS Clubbed to Death CTD 17:06, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  10. These guys were cool! They deserve an award for the group that was something that will never be seen again :( --DiSm ~ T 18:01, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  11. Yes --Zensaga 01:03, 6 September 2010 (BST)
    Yes - i remember --~~~~ [talk] 22:27, 17 September 2010 (BST) Voting had closed

No

  1. No - I always assumed they got their page views via bots, I never thought they were actually a group. --VVV RPGMBCWS 23:27, 3 September 2010 (BST)
  2. No - Too much zerging and not enough actually doing stuff for my taste. --Papa Moloch 00:22, 4 September 2010 (BST)
    I'll have you know PTT handled their cheating members personally. I've witnessed their executions of their cheaters first-hand. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 00:36, 4 September 2010 (BST
    Then they'll have 'executed' enough people for it to qualify as genocide. Further, a far as the actual game goes, they were big but irrelevant. The latter damns the former. --Papa Moloch 14:28, 4 September 2010 (BST)
  3. NO cheating zerging fucks heads. that did nothing at all in game. zero.!----sexualharrisonStarofdavid2.png ¯\(Boobs.gif)/¯ 04:27, 4 September 2010 (BST)
    Is there any actual proof that they were zerging? --Shatari 12:25, 4 September 2010 (BST)
    Yes. Cross reference any member with the list in the second and third posts of the Zerg Liste thread. Then use the search button to search for that character's name. All additions to the zerg liste are the result of someone submitting evidence to Resenz. It's then evaluated by the Zerg Liste staff. If someone's on that list there's a 95% chance they're a legitimate zerg. The other 5% are coincidental mistakes. The system is not perfect, but if you don't get yourself off the list you're assumed to be a zerg. As it stands several members of PTT are still on the list, and are still being listed. So yeah, they zerg and there's evidence of it. Any other questions? - Goribus 08:35, 8 September 2010 (BST)
    Ye- if 99% of them don't speak english, how do they get off? What does Resenz to for international speaking ud players? -- LEMON #1 11:56, 8 September 2010 (BST)
    That's not Resenz' problem DDR. There are legitimate non zergers on the list, but until they take the effort to go to Resenz to prove otherwise they're still going to be on the list. Also using the not speaking English excuse isn't really valid. Especially since the RDD has about 25% or more members from Europe that speak English as a second, or in some cases, third language. If the 1% of the group that does speak/read English can't go to Resenz and play interpretor for the rest of the group it's no one's problem but their own. If you want them off the liste then go and contact them and tell them what they'll need to do. Had she not taken a leave of absence I'd ask our own Asian member to go and talk to them assuming they speak the same language. Ours speaks English and Chinese, but I think she also speaks German and maybe French. She was a smart girl that one. - Goribus 10:34, 10 September 2010 (BST)
    How does this list work? Do the users compare IP addresses, or is it simply "similar sounding names"? How wide spread was the alleged zerging, and was the majority of the group made aware of it? Further, were any members of the group informed that they were on the list in a language that they could understand? It's easy to accuse someone of zerging, but it's unfair to do so without proof. Can you link to some proof please?--Shatari 17:51, 10 September 2010 (BST)
    For listing purposes a number of criteria is used. Similar naming habits, profile writing styles, creation dates, etc. Everyone that gets listed (or not) is done so because someone went to Resenz and posted a screencap/dumbwit/iwit/etc. It's then evaluated by the Zerg Liste Staff. For purposes of de-listing it's as simple as posting screenshots/dumbwits/iwits showing that the characters are seperated. In the case of mistaken identity deals the owner of each character must go to Resenz and post there for IP verification purposes. As the people that staff the Zerg Liste are moderators and admins for that purpose they can look up IPs of the people posting. From there IPs can be matched against known proxies and more or less pinpoint where said person is posting from. No one tells them that they're on it, as I've said that's not the Zerg Liste's problem.
    Had you used the link I posted you would see hundreds of names on that list. Also a fairly detailed post about how the list works, how to get off of it, how to post to it, etc. The amount of time for listing, investigating, delisting, etc. is fairly high enough as it is. How is one supposed to track down a specific character to tell them they've been listed anyway? Hmmm? As for showing you proof? Go fuck yourself. I don't need to prove shit to you if you're too lazy to do the work yourself. I can't be fucked to track down some mythical memberlist for dozens of random characters and do individual searches to prove to you that someone was listed. Sorry, but I have a life outside of this game and I'm not going to waste hours of my life to win some stupid argument on the internet because someone's so dense they can't do research for themselves. - Goribus 03:15, 11 September 2010 (BST)
    I was told it was standard to be told you were executed for zerging as per the Zerg Liste in game when someone killed a perpetrator of zerging. Do you yourself not follow this practice then? -- LEMON #1 03:35, 11 September 2010 (BST)
    Sure, when I'm zerg hunting with a breather and run into a zerg. The zerg liste copy paste is in every kill taunt. But to go out of my fucking way to randomly inform what is literally hundreds of people they're on the list? Yeah, that's not going to happen. You're being naive to think anyone would go out of their way to track down each and every person on the Zerg Liste to tell them they're on a list. Not to mention it's imfuckingpossible to do so. Go ahead, and try to track down just one random player that isn't associated in the meta-game. I dare you. See how much time and effort you're going to waste to track down one single solitary person playing a single random character. I don't staff the Zerg Liste, I hunt from it and I'm in the ZHU. ZHU =/= Zerg Liste Staff. - Goribus 07:50, 11 September 2010 (BST)
    I don't remember me saying that. Do you remember me saying that? -- LEMON #1 14:06, 11 September 2010 (BST)
    Wait, so you're accusing a group of being zergers, and then you're mad when someone asks you to provide some form of evidence? Have you ever heard of "Burden of Proof"?--Shatari 03:58, 11 September 2010 (BST)
    He already sorta linked you to where said evidence is. Nothing to be done! 04:09, 11 September 2010 (BST)
    But there's no real evidence there, just some names on a list, devoid of all context or evidence (for what little is needed to get on the list in the first place). The only evidence is that there are players in the group allegedly on the list (Goribus isn't willing to list any names, so I have no reason to assume it's true) and someone allegedly accused them of zerging at some point. Since the only way they can be cleared is to respond to some random list on the internet in a language the majority of them don't speak, it's unlikely that they were ever aware of the list. The site can only view IP addresses of people who actually post on that forum (which is coincidentally the only solid evidence that can be brought against inconspicuous zergers), so he's not even linking to real evidence. Linking to a page with thousands of names and saying "See? PROOF! Don't like it? Fuck you! Prove me wrong!" is not very convincing and does nothing to shift the burden of proof.--Shatari 06:05, 11 September 2010 (BST)
    You are the dumbest mother fucker I have ever met. Do not breed. Ever. - Goribus 07:50, 11 September 2010 (BST)
  4. Was going to not vote because I had some idea that they were before my time, but I specifically remember seeing these guys with about 200 members before I found their wiki page for the firs time. This is a vote towards the fact they they've been huge for years and yet I'd never seen or heard of them in-game at all, not once. Yeah, they're cute and it's great that this established UD as an international game that transgressed language barriers, yada yada, and I won't mind if they do become historical for that reason. But I still can't find myself supporting it. -- LEMON #1 11:00, 4 September 2010 (BST)
    I don't wanna vote either side, so don't consider this when tallying up the votes, but I echo DDR's sentiment that a group that big should have had a greater in-game relevance than they did. Their impact wasn't small, but it was 99.9% based on what they were, not what they did. I'm decidedly undecided about this one but I feel that my reasoning is worth pointing out. Nothing to be done! 13:46, 4 September 2010 (BST) this was originally an abstain but historical voting policy states there may only be yes or no, so I removed the header and placed it up to the rest of voting. -- LEMON #1 14:52, 4 September 2010 (BST)
  5. Murdered these guys over and over and over again. Most of their members were just standing logins. Did I mention the LoD wiped the floor with them when we only had 12 members? Oh, and I forgot the zerging thing. It's great and all they had 200 something profiles at their peak, but again, merely profiles. Where did the real gamers get to? Criminally Insane Talk | LoD
  6. No - I spent ample time in Shearbank as both a LUEmbie and a PKer, and I personally never saw them do anything aside from revive a few people (mostly their own members). In fact, the only thing I really recall about PTT was the zerging. --ZiPbeep boopMH+LUE 06:04, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  7. Nah, even though I remember these guys and am familiar with Shearbank, they didn't leave a real impression on me or anybody I know. --Huntress 07:38, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  8. KEKEKE ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 17:00, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  9. Didn't even know they existed --Damien falcon 22:08, 5 September 2010 (BST)
  10. No but heard of them. --Blades 02:49, 6 September 2010 (BST)
  11. As moloch --Papa Johnny 08:46, 6 September 2010 (BST)
  12. No - Although the irony of Asian zergs makes me laugh uproariously. -- Goribus 08:35, 8 September 2010 (BST)
  13. No. Their only contribution was having a large Asian-based group. -- SDN 12:06, 8 September 2010 (BST)
    That's not true. They made wiki contributions as well! Their group page translates all the important playing references into Chinese, something that the Chinese-speaking users on UDWiki will be able to understand more easily! --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 03:51, 15 September 2010 (BST)
  14. Communing with the Cosmos for days for guidance on this vote, the Blob finally appeared before me, shaking his gelatinous head in the negative. --Dr summeroff 00:21, 9 September 2010 (BST)

Voting has closed. With 11 For and 14 Against, PTT has Failed to achieve the 2/3 necessary for historical status. Aichon 23:12, 17 September 2010 (BST)

The Crimson Clan

Yep, you read it - The Crimson Clan no longer operates in Urban Dead. Started in April 4th, 2007, The Clan made its first triumphs defending Dakerstown against zombie hordes - most notably Extinction. After few months of operating (and growing in numbers) The Clan took Havercroft and Ackland Mall as its home.

During the time in Havercroft (which lasted until the beginning of 2010) The Clan reached its peak in numbers (over 100 members working under the group tag) and also were among Top 10 Groups in the game. Clan also worked for keeping up the Mall and various resource buildings around it - mainly NTs - and also participated in the many sieges of Ackland during this time, gaining some reputation among the regular Mall residents. --Waak 20:16, 11 July 2010 (BST)

Too bad the Clan didn't become historic after all. But if we can't be remembered this way, I'm sure we'll be remembered in others. If anyone wants to contact the few of us that remain, our forums are still more or less active. Bye Crimson, these few years have been good ones. Rest in peace. --Jsrbrunty 22:49, 25 July 2010 (BST)

Yes (Crimson)

Definatly a name I reconise--Michalesonbadge.pngTCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 20:21, 11 July 2010 (BST)
  1. Yarp. Happy days fighting zergers in molebank. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:23, 11 July 2010 (BST)
    So this group fought zergers with zergers? That's new. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 17:28, 18 July 2010 (BST)
    I'm not the biggest fan of the group, but I definitely recognize them and knew of their impact in the Ackland Mall area. Think I may have even killed a member or two, now that I think of it some more... Aichon 20:26, 11 July 2010 (BST)
  2. Aye --Waak 20:31, 11 July 2010 (BST)
  3. Good times...I think we made a big enough dent to be listed.--ErrorMaker 20:38, 11 July 2010 (BST)
  4. Yes, definitely. --AlexanderRM 23:12, 11 July 2010 (BST)
    I remember you from back in my days KoBB days. You were one of the more noteworthy groups in the Ackland region. --Shatari 01:39, 12 July 2010 (BST)
    Huh, I hadn't heard about the zerging before.--Shatari 05:23, 14 July 2010 (BST)
    Sure I remember them. Actually dropped by a couple of times on their forums long ago. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 18:16, 12 July 2010 (BST) --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 23:41, 17 July 2010 (BST)
    Even I know who they were. Technical Pacifist 18:27, 12 July 2010 (BST)
  5. Yeah we did a lot in and out of our main area --Vinduska 18:45, 12 July 2010 (BST)
  6. Yes. I've been out of the game for a while, but I have some very good memories of the Crimson Clan, and I think we had a pretty big effect on the areas we worked in. Also, I refute the allegations of zerging below. I have tried to stay up to date with goings-on, and have no knowledge of recent alt abuse within the Clan. I'd suggest that all those below examine their sources, if they have any, rather than use zerging as a cover for in-game rivalries and deny this influential group the recognition they deserve. --LK Oddjob 19:32, 16 July 2010 (BST)
    Did you actually read the resenz thread linked below? It's hardly a matter of opinion. Nothing to be done! 19:42, 16 July 2010 (BST)
    I myself was involved in the alt controversy, but if you'd care to note, that was resolved three years ago. We worked over an area of several suburbs, and at the time thought it reasonable to have alternate characters, provided they were kept separate. I acknowledge that at times some members gave in to temptation and used more than one character in the same operation, but that was the exception. I regret my actions then, but they were restricted to a few members of the group. Yes, the clan wasn't infallible, but we learned from our mistakes, and I consider we have more than regained respect in the years since then. --LK Oddjob 20:09, 16 July 2010 (BST)
    I don't know about you, but I consider multiple alts in the same group zerging. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 09:48, 17 July 2010 (BST)
    Its not, you can have 2 alts in the same group, but you can't have them in the same suburb, or 10 squares to be safe about it. Now it may be bad form (if you do it to boost on the stats page), but it is allowed.--Raddox MurTangle 20:29, 17 July 2010 (BST)
    That's still considered alt abuse. The DEM have been villified for years as a result and eventually recanted it. It was also one of the elements that led to the downfall of the Imperium (if I remember correctly). Nothing to be done! 20:49, 17 July 2010 (BST)
    It may be considered alt abuse, but technically it is not.--Raddox MurTangle 21:58, 17 July 2010 (BST)
    There are certain things that are disagreed upon. What if your character is 7 or 8 block from another? What if the horde of one character moves a little faster than expected and hits the suburb of another? Can the human character take a look around? Must the zombie specifically avoid buildings seen by the human? There is a gray area. --VVV RPGMBCWS 22:13, 17 July 2010 (BST)
    10 squares apart to be safe, If you unknowingly or knowingly bring an alt within that distance than will suffer a search rate drop and a hit rate drop. So by game mechanics you are zerging. No gray area there. --Raddox MurTangle 22:17, 17 July 2010 (BST)
    So if you make a new character who happens to spawn within those ten blocks of another, you're zerging? And it's perfectly fine to have one character find a target, attack him, flee, and have a second character finish him off, so long as they never go within those magical ten blocks of each other? --VVV RPGMBCWS 22:39, 17 July 2010 (BST)
    From what I've seen, there's a roughly 24 hour time limit you need to stick to between moving out and moving in with someone else, which means that you may as well just rest the first character and AP up again. As for spawning, from my own experiences, it seems to have some kind of an effect but I don't know if it triggers a full-blown flag or if I just had some shitty luck, but the only way around it really is to just get the fuck out of Dodge and let things right themselves. Nothing to be done! 22:43, 17 July 2010 (BST)
    It is 24 hours, your right, and if you spawn a new player within 10 squares of an old one then you should move them away as fast as possible. But all this does not matter if your dealing with a proxy zerger, because they do not suffer the lowered rates. That's a different discussion for a different time.--Raddox MurTangle 23:31, 17 July 2010 (BST)
    10 squares apart, you say? I noticed this group centers around Ackland Mall. If you take a look here, it states, "Please do not put one alt on each side of Caiger Mall and claim that this constitutes "separate suburbs."" --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 01:21, 21 July 2010 (BST)
    I'm not saying they are not zerging, I know how bad it was when I was running a group there and I already made my vote as a no if you look down there V. All I am saying is that 10 spaces is a suburb, so the rule is "keep em a suburb apart" so basically keep your people 10 spaces apart.--Raddox MurTangle 08:32, 21 July 2010 (BST)
    Also, email Kevan and ask him for yourself, the zerg mechanics will not kick in if the same IP has 2 people in the same group if they are 10 spaces away.--Raddox MurTangle 08:35, 21 July 2010 (BST)
  7. Yes. I consider we've contributed a lot to the game (especially the Havercroft area) over the years. At our best, we were well known to people all over Malton, not just in our patch of ground. There seems to be a lot of argument over the zerging issue. The Clan used to zerg openly, as did many groups at the time. As it became less acceptable and more groups turned non-zerging, our founder also passed a ban on it. Despite our previous zerging, this rule was followed and the few who didn't go along with it were disciplined accordingly. That rule was made over 2 and a half years ago. I really don't understand what all the fuss is about now. --Jsrbrunty 20:08, 17 July 2010 (BST)
  8. Yes. In protest to dumb policies I'm voting yes on everything up for historical voting until forever. At least that way things that may have mattered will actually have a slightly better chance even if it means voting in a few piles of crap that had an impact on their members/participants. --Karekmaps?! 00:54, 21 July 2010 (BST)
  9. Yes. Zerging was prohibited. As a result only my main remained in TCC. Stormys out. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stormys (talkcontribs) at an unknown time.
    So, wait, you knew about the zerging, and you both stayed in the group and now support them as being historical? Wow. Aichon 09:55, 21 July 2010 (BST)
    I was new to the game didn't even knew what not, after i found out zerging is illegal i stayed only with main in clan. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stormys (talkcontribs) at an unknown time.
    I can understand that, given that I've known other people who made the same mistake, but that you stayed in a group that knowingly supported it is what I'm questioning, as is the fact that you're still supporting them now. Aichon 23:34, 22 July 2010 (BST)
    The Clan didn't support zerging after the ban was passed within the group. May I repeat that that was over 2 years ago. Since then we never supported zerging knowingly, even in the smallest way. --Jsrbrunty 23:08, 23 July 2010 (BST)

No (Crimson)

  1. Against - Whilst I've heard of you guys, and I've dealt with you as a member of Columbine Kids, I fail to see anything you've done that makes you historical. Noteworthy, perhaps, worth a mention in passing, sure, but not truly historical. Nothing to be done! 20:26, 11 July 2010 (BST)
    Jesus God burn that zerg nest with fire. Nothing to be done! 15:09, 13 July 2010 (BST)
  2. Against - User:Whitehouse 20:29, 11 July 2010 (BST)
  3. Against - The only reason I've ever heard of you is because the same guy who got me to try UD told me to join you. I have never seen you mentioned anywhere else. --VVV RPGMBCWS 20:47, 11 July 2010 (BST)
    And one more thing. The Clan was home to CyAdora (aka SillyLillyPilly). She happens to be a major rapist, and in Shartak, the most well known by far. This is the worst she's done in UD, but in Shartak, she definitely crossed a line, and ended up spurring one of the largest controversies in the game's history. This is just one bad apple, but following Giles's excellent train of thought, it doesn't exactly encourage us to honor the group with the title of historical. --VVV RPGMBCWS 09:31, 17 July 2010 (BST)
  4. Yeah, I've heard of you. -- 00:42, 13 July 2010 (BST)
  5. Heard of them, but not significant enough to warrent historical. Linkthewindow  Talk  02:22, 13 July 2010 (BST)
    Forgot about the fact that they were massive zergers too. Linkthewindow  Talk  15:01, 13 July 2010 (BST)
  6. Only famous for being mass-zerging cunts. --Papa Moloch 06:26, 13 July 2010 (BST)
  7. No - Moloch's link and this discussion were pretty damning. Aichon 07:22, 13 July 2010 (BST)
  8. So this is where the St Aden zerg army took off? That could almost be historical in and of itself. But not really. -- Spiderzed 11:20, 13 July 2010 (BST)
  9. Against - Sorry bud. There is a price to pay when your group gets caught zerging as part of their official policy. One of the sanctions for zerging around here is a loss of respect, and since the historical category is all about respect/e-penis I can't vote for you.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 15:30, 13 July 2010 (BST)
  10. Nope As Giles. Technical Pacifist 15:34, 13 July 2010 (BST)
  11. Negative - The whole zerg thing is the nail in the coffin. --ZiPbeep boopMH+LUE 03:36, 14 July 2010 (BST)
  12. No It is the only rule in the game, no alt abuse. To knowingly break that rule in order to build a group negates any historic value that group should otherwise behold (in my opinion). Also, I don't sit well with their logic to abuse alts because "Pkers are asshats". Havercroft is a blight on all of Malton. I will never go back because of the amount of zerging players in the area. I ran a group in Ackland and quickly found out just how bad it was. --Raddox MurTangle 06:54, 14 July 2010 (BST)
  13. No - Zerging is bad, k?--Michalesonbadge.pngTCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 20:04, 16 July 2010 (BST)
  14. ZERG RUSH KEKEKEKEKE!!! --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 09:38, 17 July 2010 (BST)
  15. Against - Zergers don't deserve to be remembered... Whenever I see a zerger I take my axe and chop off their head >:] --Zensaga 13:41, 17 July 2010 (BST)
  16. Against - Fuck, Cyadora had seriously managed to fool me back then. Unless she really was 40 year old with kids... --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 23:43, 17 July 2010 (BST)
    I think she really was, Thad. --Jsrbrunty 17:10, 18 July 2010 (BST)
  17. No, fuck off.-- Adward  17:33, 18 July 2010 (BST)
  18. Against - Zergs don't deserve recognition.--KyleStyle 01:11, 21 July 2010 (BST)
  19. Against - Having looked into it, there appears to have been quite a bit of zerging going on with the CC. There have been plenty of groups that did more than you without having to stoop to cheating. --Shatari 01:05, 24 July 2010 (BST)

101st Airborne Unit

Apperentlly I have to do this because I was checking up on old memories and the 101st Airborne Unit is only listed at Inactive. The 101st was very historic. Considering in 06' and 07' we took back nummerous malls and even played a main role in taking back creedy once. I, And about 3 other people are the only surviviors of when we disbanded. We have now formed the 82nd Airborne Division and most people don't even remember The Subtle little 101st Airborne Unit. Well I'm going to change that, I nominate the 101st for historical status!-- Jerrel tlk (82nd!) (Project Unwelcome!). 20:27, 15 June 2010 (BST)

Yes (101st)

  1. I am Jerrel, And the 101st deserves this. Of course I'm going to vote yes. Let's just hope everyone else feels the same way.-- Jerrel tlk (82nd!) (Project Unwelcome!). 20:42, 15 June 2010 (BST)
  2. --Dunstan 20:44, 15 June 2010 (BST)
  3. Yes Vague echoey recollection. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 10:38, 16 June 2010 (BST)
  4. Yes If I remember correctly you guys had a presence in Peppardville around 2006, meets my definition of a "known group in section of suburb where their influence was seen" - Vantar 07:23, 17 June 2010 (BST)
  5. Yes Jed 8:54, 24 June 2010 (EST)
  6. Yes - He is Jerrel, and that's quite enough for me. --Paddy DignamIS DEAD 19:39, 28 June 2010 (BST)

No (101st)

  1. Nay. The 101st what? -- Spiderzed 21:42, 15 June 2010 (BST)
    Airborne Unit. ;P -- Rahrah is not too happy about another dead lexicon. 22:00, 15 June 2010 (BST)
  2. Maybe if they were the 1st, but if there were 100 others before them they can't really be that special. Nothing to be done! 21:43, 15 June 2010 (BST)
  3. Nay - I would've never heard of them if I didn't make a point of maintaining the formatting of the suburb group listings. I'm afraid I've never seen any effects that they've caused or have heard of anyone working alongside them or commending them for their efforts. Really, this is the very first time I've ever heard anyone talk about them at all. Aichon 22:17, 15 June 2010 (BST)
  4. As Above --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:18, 15 June 2010 (BST)
  5. No -THE 101ST HAS OFFICIALLY DISBANDED FOR SECURITY REASONS! It is now called 82nd Airborne Division.--Michalesonbadge.pngTCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 22:23, 15 June 2010 (BST)
  6. No -as Michaleson --Raddox MurTangle 22:28, 15 June 2010 (BST)
  7. Spam - But thanks for helping make the point as to why "The groups leader wants it to be historical, then why shouldn't we let him." --VVV RPGMBCWS 00:22, 16 June 2010 (BST)
  8. No - Did nothing. --Papa Moloch 00:45, 16 June 2010 (BST)
  9. No - Not this guy again. -- 02:23, 16 June 2010 (BST)
  10. No - "I, and about 3 other people are the only surviviors of when we disbanded. We have now formed the 82nd Airborne Division". Those are your words, which to me sounds like there was something about the 101st that made you want to change the name to the 82nd. Personally, I don't even care what the reasons are because that tells me that the group isn't really dead--just shambling along under a new guise. And quite obviously slouching because as Aichon above, if I did not stalk suburb pages I wouldn't have even heard of the 101st. --Maverick Talk - OBR Praise Knowledge! 404 08:14, 16 June 2010 (BST)
  11. No - Who? Oidar 11:44, 16 June 2010 (BST)
  12. No - yet another sack of crap did nothing group. what have you unimaginative idiots done to impact the game in any way? ZERO! wow you retook some malls.. holy shit thats never been done before. GAME OVER MAN! your group page is not getting deleted. why all these turds crawling out from under rocks to get into historical status all of a sudden?----sexualharrisonStarofdavid2.png ¯\(Boobs.gif)/¯ 13:31, 16 June 2010 (BST)
  13. No - As Oidar. -- Papa Jadkor (RRF) (MotA) (MT11) 17:22, 16 June 2010 (BST)
  14. No - Nein. Group is subjectively not historical enough to be an historical group. --Zarneverfike 19:11, 16 June 2010 (BST)
  15. No - Hibernaculum 20:23, 16 June 2010 (BST)
  16. No - I never even heard of this group before. The only reason I saw this is because I was looking at the Escape nomination. All this group did was, quote: "took back nummerous malls and even played a main role in taking back creedy once." Sorry but that's nothing special. --FallUpStairs 21:23, 16 June 2010 (BST)
  17. No - First, seems to me that you just changed the name of the group. And as most people here, never heard of you. Taking back some malls and a fort once doesn't make you historical. --KyleStyle 22:40, 16 June 2010 (BST)
  18. I heard of you, but you didn't really do much to warrant a Historical status. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs (status:Mudkip!) 01:55, 17 June 2010 (BST)
  19. No - No offense, but I'm not seeing anything significant in your group's resume. --Shatari 06:19, 17 June 2010 (BST)
  20. No - I remember the 101st Airborne. He was stupid. --Sonny Corleone DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n 03:10, 22 June 2010 (BST)
  21. No - I remember you guys, but you're not influential enough.-- Adward  16:13, 22 June 2010 (BST)
  22. No - Who are these guys? --jorm 08:00, 23 June 2010 (BST)
    Seems to me like most of you are too young in this game and ignorent to even remember who we are considering we disbanded in 2007.-- Jerrel tlk (82nd!) (Project Unwelcome!). 22:42, 23 June 2010 (BST)
    No. And learn to format, for GODS sake. -- 23:40, 23 June 2010 (BST)
    Yeah, because Sonny, Jorm and Moloch are all newbs.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:48, 23 June 2010 (BST)
    I said MOST. Most of the people who would have supported this have either quit a long time ago, Or are laying flat dead outside the woodbourne building. And most of these "no" votes are from people who have nothing better to do than spam "no" about groups that were disbanded LONGGGG befor they even joined this game.-- Jerrel tlk (82nd!) (Project Unwelcome!). 00:11, 24 June 2010 (BST)
    Whinge much? Nothing to be done! 00:15, 24 June 2010 (BST)
    No, it's about you trying to promote one group from a big piece of homogeneous shit demographic of groups, all of which are "1000TH AIRBOURNE MILITARY BATTALION CORPS PEACE ANTI ZOMBIE FORCE 36TH BRIGADE INFANTRY SWAT CORPS SPECIAL OPS" and never really got anywhere and no one recognises, let alone remembers. And what the fuck, even by your logic, your group doesn't stand the test of time. You cry because it won't make historical because no one remembers is and those that do aren't around to vote it in. If it were historical, by definition it wouldn't have the problem of disappearing into the pages of history without anyone remembering it. -- 05:19, 24 June 2010 (BST)
    Why would you say it in response to jorm unless it was in directed at him? Don't try to weasel out now with that "most" crap. As for the rest of your excuse, I accidentally kicked a bouncy ball into another kid's head during recess on January 25th, 1993. Don't ask me why I remember that, but it stuck with me. I can hear you asking now, "why should I care about that?" Well, just as my playground mistake from 17 years ago is of no historical importance to anyone else, the same can be said of your group. If your group ever was that important, you should have put them up for historical status back in 2007. As it is, you have no room to complain since you knew what you were getting into when you nominated the group. Aichon 13:20, 24 June 2010 (BST)
    Sure, Go ahead and call us a, what did you call it? A..."big piece of homogeneous shit demographic of a group?" I mean, I GUESS that's cool of you to do. But, Either way....-- Jerrel tlk (82nd!) (Project Unwelcome!). 13:48, 24 June 2010 (BST)
    Uhh...try again. I didn't call you that. Aichon 13:56, 24 June 2010 (BST)
    Not you Aichon, Your reason was somewhat legitimate and funny. I also have question, Are we alowwed to re-nominate?-- Jerrel tlk (82nd!) (Project Unwelcome!). 13:59, 24 June 2010 (BST)
    #5, at the top. Aichon 14:11, 24 June 2010 (BST)
    *facepalm* KK thnxs-- Jerrel tlk (82nd!) (Project Unwelcome!). 14:15, 24 June 2010 (BST)
    If you re-nominate it twice more I'll vote yes--Michalesonbadge.pngTCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 21:31, 24 June 2010 (BST)
    Why? And I'll keep re-nominating it until it gets accepted.-- Jerrel tlk (82nd!) (Project Unwelcome!). 22:07, 24 June 2010 (BST)
    Lawl. Who knows, if everyone won't bother voting no after a while, your persistence might pay off. (but really, don't do that)--Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 22:22, 24 June 2010 (BST)
    I'd advise you to remember that there's already significant precedent for treating repeated misuse of nomination systems as vandalism. Give it its fair chance but don't press the issue simply to game the system. Nothing to be done! 22:41, 24 June 2010 (BST)
  23. Never heard of you. =/ -- Cheese 00:02, 24 June 2010 (BST)

Escape

I was told I had to do this through here, but I'll keep it short. Escape is over - it was always designed to end on June 1, something that was heavily advertised throughout the duration of the movement. If you could pass me on this so I can go ahead and start writing my memoirs, I'd be most appreciative. -Captain Video 05:56, 3 June 2010 (BST)

Yes (Escape)

  1. Yes - Definitely one of the most interesting and highly publicised events in a looooooooong time. -- 06:10, 3 June 2010 (BST)
  2. Hell yes - Absolutely. --Sophie ◆◆◆ CAPD 06:22, 3 June 2010 (BST)
  3. Oh, hell yes - Lots of publicity, huge turnout, unfortunate results. --TheBardofAwesome 06:41, 3 June 2010 (BST)
  4. Yes - Same reasons as DDR. μnholy®eign Dual nature player 06:52, 3 June 2010 (BST)
    Yes - It was interesting and even though I did not participate, the numbers were large enough that it deserves a mention. --Travis Wells not signed properly -- 08:42, 3 June 2010 (BST)
  5. Yes - Most certainly. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 08:31, 3 June 2010 (BST)
  6. Yes, yes and thrice yes - twas verily bloody good fun, m'lud. Chief Seagull squawk 09:04, 3 June 2010 (BST)
  7. Yes Events do not need to be successful to be historical and anything that gathers that many brains into one big buffet most certainly counts as significant! --Honestmistake 10:09, 3 June 2010 (BST)
    Incredibly Weak Yes - I'd prefer it to be a historical event, in all honesty, but I don't see why it can't be both (assuming someone makes a page for the event).--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 10:51, 3 June 2010 (BST) Changin' mah vote.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 11:27, 3 June 2010 (BST)
  8. Yes - Largest group on the stats page by far in a good while, lots of publicity, and clearly significant by the numbers that turned up on both sides --ORakoon 11:49, 3 June 2010 (BST)
  9. Yes - Utter failure but a good try--Weed.jpgArthur DentWeed.jpg BIN LADEN IS DEAD!!!!! 12:44, 3 June 2010 (BST)
    Weak Yes - Has been definitively the most significant event this year so far. (Of course, the opposition consists of the umpteenth Battle of Krinks and St. Aiden's zerg army trying to reclaim Ridleybank, so this isn't really a badge to be proud of.) -- Spiderzed 12:54, 3 June 2010 (BST) Screw that, others are right. We need a NPoV page on the event and cover that as historic, not that group. -- Spiderzed 18:55, 10 June 2010 (BST)
  10. Yes - A historic fail, but historic none-the-less. Asheets 13:13, 3 June 2010 (BST)
  11. Yes - There's a blurred line between an event and a group that sets itself a time-limited objective/reason to exist/whatever, but this doesn't count against it as a historical group IMO. Escape had good flavour (lol), a new idea, a large following and a large zombie response. Historical. Yes. Garum 13:17, 3 June 2010 (BST)
  12. Without a bloody doubt, Yes - The sheer momentum it picked up in such a short space of time, and given that it came from absolutely nothing in the first place, people are gonna remember this. Anyone who was there saw the numbers present, both inside and out after the zeds came. PK'ers came, BH'ers came... it was the place to be. And for a while, there was an atmosphere of excited hope buzzing around the place, something the game had been lacking for too long. F'kin yes man. GG Escape, GG. Clap.gif ~ Kempy “YaketyYak” | ◆◆◆ | CAPD | 14:30, 3 June 2010 (BST)
  13. Yes As Kempy. Oidar 15:09, 3 June 2010 (BST)
  14. Yes I don't see why not. As a group, the largest I have ever seen, by the way, it was one of the more bizarre moments of Urban Dead. It certainly deserves to be remembered, though perhaps under events as opposed to groups? --The Prophet of Life 19:01, 3 June 2010 (BST)
  15. Yes - It deserves it. Mesousa 19:39, 3 June 2010 (BST)
  16. Yes - Obviously. --AORDMOPRI ! T 21:02, 3 June 2010 (BST)
  17. Yes - Hell, I knew, without a doubt, that this would end in nothing but a complete and total zombie massacre, and yet there were enough people involved and enough interest raised that I lemminged right along. InvincibleZombie 21:32, 3 June 2010 (BST)
  18. Yes - Fo shizzle homey. --Q. JuliusTBH 23:12, 3 June 2010 (BST)
  19. I am Captain Video, and I was torn limb from limb for my cause. And I suppose I'm allowed one vote; I just didn't want to be first. That would have been tacky. -Captain Video 05:03, 4 June 2010 (BST)
  20. Yes - Got an old fart's attention :P --Haliman - Talk 05:48, 4 June 2010 (BST)
  21. Yes - Of course, not putting that event on Historical Page would be just insane. GoLookAndKill CFT 10:28, 4 June 2010 (BST)
  22. Yes - I see the point with event rather than group, but On_Strike is a historical group, thus Escape fits in this category as well. --Cruzz 12:05, 4 June 2010 (BST)
  23. Yes - Cruzz makes a good point--Michalesonbadge.pngTCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 12:09, 4 June 2010 (BST)
  24. Yes - It made me play again, however shortly. I've been getting a lot of game news through a friend in my hangout channel over the years, this was the first that made me want to return and be part of something, even if it failed miserably. → So pretty much what DDR said. pinkgothic 13:40, 4 June 2010 (BST)
  25. Yes - I had fun attempting to escape from Malton, it got me more interested in this game. It also got me eaten. It should definetly be a historical group. --Umbrella Corp.gif Drunk Link2500 Umbrella Corp.gif 14:37, 4 June 2010 (BST)
  26. Yes - It should remind us that bad ideas have bad endings. --Colette Hart 18:58, 4 June 2010 (BST)
  27. Yes - pretty epic stuff--CorndogheroT-S-Z 03:35, 5 June 2010 (BST)
  28. Yes - It was a ton of fun and quite memorable. They came, we saw, we conquered. ^_^ --Shatari 03:38, 5 June 2010 (BST)
  29. yes please! it actually gave me a reason for playing this game. Even if it ended in a massive bloodshed with dead bodies piled up to the ceiling, it still rocked :) --Jack Kolt Talk|Chars 05:34, 5 June 2010 (BST)
  30. YES - A great group with potential to perhaps one day change the game? --JohnGGeo 05:42, 5 June 2010 (BST)
  31. Yes - Great event, really shows how fun it can be when heaps of people are together. --Dorsalus 08:39, 5 June 2010 (BST)
  32. Yes - We finally did something different! We tried to Escape the game. Even though it didn't work and our dreams were crushed. --FallUpStairs 13:07, 5 June 2010 (BST)
  33. Yes - -- User:Jordan Salafack » JS talk contribs » 15:31, 5 June 2010 (BST)
  34. Yes - It might not have been successful, but the effort, the fun idea and the number of people involved reminded me of the good old mass events we had when last I played, back in '06. Furniture 17:27, 5 June 2010 (BST)
  35. Yes - Of course this was one of the biggest things that I have seen in my whole time playing.--Sybertronic 20:22, 5 June 2010 (BST)
  36. Yes - Epic Fail, but was worth it.Noxaarmi 20:43, 5 June 2010 (BST)
  37. Yes - Yes, it was a imaginative effort to do something new and fun in the game, and in that it was a big success. Marcel Swann 22:54, 5 June 2010 (BST)
  38. Yes - It put some life back into the game and it was fun, I am for making it a historical event just for that reason.--Truezombieboy 05:02, 6 June 2010 (BST)
  39. Yes - Although the coordination was pathetic, and many were slaughtered, it was an excellent group and event. In little over a month, this group was able to gain 400+ members. It's double the size of RRF, but only ran up until June 1st. Even though nothing was accomplished, either because the zombies had overtaken Ellicott or because Kevan didn't care, its a historic group nonetheless.--SykoKiller666 14:50, 6 June 2010 (BST)
  40. Hell Yeah - I pked 3 Escapists and destroyed the generator in The Woodborne Building, and I must say, they've gained my respect, sitting ducks as they were. --Sam 2334 14:54, 6 June 2010 (BST)
  41. Yes - Easily the most interesting thing I've done on UD (Admittedly it's the first major thing I've done, but meh) --Remnant Matt 15:07, 6 June 2010 (BST)
  42. Yes yes yes yes --    : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : 01:48, 7 June 2010 (BST)
  43. Yes Yes, the first attempt by humans to try to change the game with lots of people that showed up. --User:Robkiller 7:19 7 June 2010 (BST)
  44. Yes It was an interesting idea, and attracted the attention of many players. Plus, it's a nice tragic tale. Toffey 03:22, 7 June 2010 (BST)
  45. Yes Other "crusades" in history did not achieve their goals but were even more "historical" for all that, for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Crusade --Belisarius17 04:37, 7 June 2010 (BST)
  46. Yes They kinda had an effect even if it wasn't the desired one.--ZIPO/Talk/◆◆/CAPD 06:49, 7 June 2010 (BST)
  47. Yes It was treated as a group, albeit a loosely associated one, and something did happen, even if it was a far cry from the intended result. --Austin hunt 15:45, 7 June 2010 (BST)
  48. Yes I died, like many others, but it was the first time I've felt involved in something big in the game in a while. Would've preferred it if the zombie hordes hadn't arrived and eaten everything, but oh well. Since then I've been infected, and returned to zombie form twice!--Hynzytheweirdo 23:28 7 June 2010 (BST)
  49. Yes I, accidental creator of Escape, would love it if it become a historical group. The group created a large movement that has in fact caused a few changes. Also, it would be really cool if something I started was forever remembered in internet history.--Superathen 01:18, 8 June 2010 (BST)
    Am I the only one who missed these few changes Escape caused? -- Papa Jadkor (RRF) (MotA) (MT11) 05:57, 8 June 2010 (BST)
  50. Oh Yes yes yes Definetly. If it's not mafde historical, then George Washington shouldn't be. --Justinbronze 03:07, 8 June 2010 (BST)
    Unless I'm missing something, George Washington was more person than event... Which, now that I think about it, makes him more suited as a group, wouldn't you say?  ;-) --Liche 21:00, 8 June 2010 (BST)
  51. 14 Yeses On behalf of the entire 82nd Airborne division we all say yes to the historical satus of Escape. That's 14 yeses.-- Jerrel tlk (82nd!) (Project Unwelcome!). 20:18, 8 June 2010 (BST)
    If you could have the other 13 sign, I'd really appreciate it. -Captain Video 02:29, 9 June 2010 (BST)
  52. Yes Even though it failed, it still sent reverberations throughout the game. It unified 500+ people, and is one of the largest groups/ events in Urbandead history. Just because something doesn't succeed or change things doesn't mean it shouldn't be historical - like a German land war in Russia during the winter. We all learn about that in history class, don't we?--alevins 04:49, 9 June 2010 (BST)
  53. Yes The fail is irrelevant. It was an eye catching event and impacted the game. --Jesus Sante 12:56, 9 June 2010 (BST)
  54. Yes - Shit was so cash--Orange Talk 03:42, 10 June 2010 (BST)
  55. Yea - Definitely historical, even if only as a "Hey, remember when all stood in a railway station praying for Kevan to rapture us away?" kind of thing. Wil Truman 18:09, 10 June 2010 (BST)
  56. Yes - The groups leader wants it to be historical, then why shouldn't we let him. --MSMD (Talk) (Glitch) 16:01, 12 June 2010 (BST)
    My fictional group has two people in it and once repaired a building. I'm the group leader. Can we be historical too? Aichon 21:22, 12 June 2010 (BST)
    Pfffft, your group smells like feet. My group, however, had a massive effect on the game, and should already be remembered by all. We should be historical. --VVV RPGMBCWS 21:47, 12 June 2010 (BST)
  57. Of Course It had effect, even though it failed, it managed to unify +400 people, so yes. --LaZaH 18:13, 13 June 2010 (BST)
  58. "Definitely, yes. It failed but at least it was interesting. Actually got me back to the game. I'm still lying dead there. Waiting for the end... " Kylac 20:25, 13 June 2010 (BST)
  59. Yes. it was very good. Matias Gray 18:16, 14 June 2010 (BST)
  60. Yea There was so much talk about the great Escape that people from all over Malton came to the event. It may have failed, but the participants gave it their best shot, so they should be remembered. Canis Caeli 6:44, 15 June 2010 (BST)
  61. Yea - the group cause the event. Which was a significant note in the timeline. Therefore, the group is historical. Much like Adolf Hitler is historical, for being someone involved in one of the protagonists in the second world war. Flawless logic, right there. :3 -- Rahrah is not too happy about another dead lexicon. 21:55, 15 June 2010 (BST)
    Your mum is flawless logic. Nothing to be done! 21:58, 15 June 2010 (BST)
    You mean his face! Oh yeah, flawless comeback! --VVV RPGMBCWS 00:22, 16 June 2010 (BST)
    I believe the word your looking for, as the flawless comeback of all time is "YOU'RE flawless logic." -- Rahrah is not too happy about another dead lexicon. 17:37, 16 June 2010 (BST)
    More like how the Jews aren't historical, because, despite being majorly involved in WW2, they're still around in abundance and didn't achieve their aim to be not massacred.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 08:11, 16 June 2010 (BST)
    The Jews who died in the holocaust are remembered, and shall be for a long time, because they were the ones who suffered most due to the Holocaust. (As will the Nazis who were the perpetrators.) However, those that had less to do with the event, like the Romani and the Slavs are less remembered. Much like if one were to be asked about the event Escape, the first group that would come to mind would be "Escape", rather than "No Escape" or "That huge group of zombies that ruined it for everyone". This will probably be moved to the talk page soon. -- Rahrah is not too happy about another dead lexicon. 17:37, 16 June 2010 (BST)
    Can we just agree that you all lose at logic because of Godwin's Law? Aichon 18:08, 16 June 2010 (BST)
    I was waiting for someone to realise... ;) -- Rahrah 18:12, 16 June 2010 (BST)
  62. Yes - For the record I think this entire category is retarted. But my "no" vote from earlier was only with the intention of getting one of you apparently too lazy 400+ people to write a brief analysis of what happened to your group, so future generations could look on the historical page and have an idea what it was all about. The fact that a group of 400 people can't muster a single individual with the wiki-fu to properly memorialize their own passing is a shame. Sigh. But anyways I never intended to deny this worthy group of the historical status that it deserves. Good luck and I hope the extra vote helps. :) --GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 01:45, 16 June 2010 (BST)
  63. Yes - A bit of a toss-up, but I think the group and event are historical, even if they failed. --Zarneverfike 19:11, 16 June 2010 (BST)

No (Escape)

  1. Why? - I'm leaning towards a yes for the reasons DDR mentioned, but aside from being highly publicised I'm not really seeing any effects from the event. You know, aside from a whole lot of zombies in one place, which was funny as hell. --Maverick Talk - OBR Praise Knowledge! 404 06:39, 3 June 2010 (BST)
    I understand your point, but events this big are few and far between nowadays. In fact, that's an understatement, since as far as I know, this is the largest gathering of people I've heard of in two years, since March of The Dead and the apparent Battle of Barhapolis. In a game where numbers are declining and group actions en masse aren't as spectacular (particular in roleplaying value), I found this thrilling and exciting. -- 07:30, 3 June 2010 (BST)
    Your word: event. This group was less than impressive and failed to change anything about the way the game was played. The event they were at was much bigger than just their group, which is what makes the event historical, even though the group is not. Aichon 11:33, 3 June 2010 (BST)
    Personally I think the exact opposite. As an event it was shit, I just sat there and listened to spam and then got PK'd and died. The group is what was original. Now we are just butting heads about opinions though so let's agree to disagree since we've both made points for and against yeah? -- 11:36, 3 June 2010 (BST)
    I can agree to that. I think I viewed the event differently since I was on the outside looking in, rather than the inside looking out, as you were. For us zombies, this was the best eating we've had in awhile, and the most fun too, since almost all of the big groups showed up in force. Lots of joint strike operations and the like make for lots of fun. :) Aichon 11:41, 3 June 2010 (BST)
    No/Abstain - It's absolutely a historical group/event, but I'd like to see something on the page which details what happened. Now that the 1st and 2nd have come and gone, perhaps some of the people who participated can write up a little "post-event analysis". Then I'll happily vote yes.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 09:03, 3 June 2010 (BST) changing vote to yes.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 01:34, 16 June 2010 (BST)
  2. No - I feel that the event was HUGELY significant and should definitely be considered historical (see here), but the group itself failed to change the game at all and didn't do anything of significance aside from get together in one place and get themselves (along with everyone and everything else in a 10 block radius) killed by hungry zombies. Had they actually succeeded at their objectives, possibly even their secondary one of committing mass suicide by jumping, I might change my mind, but they didn't. Also, with 414 members still active in the group, that makes it far and away the largest in the game right now, so I think it's still too early to consider the group beyond the point of actively contributing (as the rules at the top of this page require). I know that's a bit of a technicality, but it's just one reason for my vote amongst several. Aichon 11:25, 3 June 2010 (BST)
    Typically groups made for a one-time purpose go into historical groups not events. Eg. BBB, and more likening to Escape itself, On strike. Just like Big Bash (which didn't really "change the game" besides be a horde but is still with my former examples in Historical Groups category), it's just the thing we do, I guess. -- 11:32, 3 June 2010 (BST)
    But if it's an event, then we avoid No Escape requesting the same thing. They'd both be pinned down under the same name.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 11:33, 3 June 2010 (BST)
    On Strike actually succeeded though, and as I said, had Escape succeeded, I may have changed my vote (likely would have). As for likening it to other events, why not the famous sieges and the like that are mentioned over here? This was essentially the biggest and shortest siege in recent history, after all. Yonnua also makes a good point about it covering all of the groups if it's an event. Aichon 11:36, 3 June 2010 (BST)
  3. No - Like my vote up there in the yes column says, it was very weak, and Aichon's changed my mind. As Aichon, and as I said before, but with much more frowny-face. >:( --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 11:28, 3 June 2010 (BST)
  4. No - This seems more like an event to me, and didn't actually change anything within the game. I supported the effort, but I don't think it deserves enshrinement like this given its eventual lack of any impact. Nothing to be done! 15:24, 3 June 2010 (BST)
  5. Hahahahahahahaha! Oh, wait. You're serious? Let me laugh harder. Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! - They didn't do shit other than get trolled to death. And they certainly didn't accomplish anything. And like Aichon said, the event might be historical, but the group isn't. The group is just a footnote on the event's historical page in my opinion. - Goribus 21:23, 3 June 2010 (BST)
  6. No - Event, yes. Group, no. --Papa Moloch 00:28, 4 June 2010 (BST)
  7. Event - I worry that No Escape will be left out otherwise, and they played a big role. Besides, I infected DDR, one of the most eventful attacks of my career. --VVV RPGMBCWS 00:29, 4 June 2010 (BST)
  8. Fuck no - As a group, their only virtue was numbers. They did everything that a group could do wrong and that's including them not achieving their stated goals. The amount of fail in Escape as a group is immeasurable with currently manufactured equipment. As a historical event? I'd give it a second thought before voting "no" again. I'm not knocking it as something fun, just on every other possible level. --Papa Johnny 05:51, 4 June 2010 (BST)
    A whole mess of people died? That doesn't count? I mean yes, it was a failure, but it was pretty spectacular. Like watching a rocket blow up on the launchpad. -Captain Video 02:37, 9 June 2010 (BST)
  9. Fuck No – As JB, Aich', Moloch. (See also: Bandwagon? :P) ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 07:07, 4 June 2010 (BST)
  10. triple massive fuck no as above. since when do we reward massive fail? maybe as an event. this needs to be forgotten.----sexualharrisonStarofdavid2.png ¯\(Boobs.gif)/¯ 17:51, 4 June 2010 (BST)
  11. No - Escape as a group failed as already mentioned, all they had were numbers and an idea. A huge part of what made the event fun was the zombies and PKers who showed up, and they are given little mention on the Escape group page. You're glorifying the failing element of a much larger thing. Make an event page, tell of all who were there and all that happened. -- Papa Jadkor (RRF) (MotA) (MT11) 18:06, 4 June 2010 (BST)
  12. No - As Moloch! --Akbar 18:23, 4 June 2010 (BST)
  13. No - If you actually went by the original intent of the Escape page, you should have walked away from the game as of June 2nd. Since you are here requesting that the page be put up for a historical group, it's obvious that you didn't quit the game. As such, we shouldn't reward a tantrum with Historical status. I did make a template for the occasion. Enjoy. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 19:40, 4 June 2010 (BST)
    No, I concede failure with no clauses. I simply believe this deserves to be remembered. As Goethe put it, "Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it." -Captain Video 02:37, 9 June 2010 (BST)
    Which would make it a Historical Event and not a Historical Group. Even then, I will still vote against, as the members who participated as a protesting survivor were not actually going to quit the game, thus making the whole exercise a giant circle-jerk of futility. If you and the others had actually gone through with it and someone else put up the event, I would have considered voting for, as it actually did stir people to do things. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 22:26, 11 June 2010 (BST)
  14. No for being one of the whiniest and zergiest "groups" since the Children of the Darque? Bugger off--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 19:43, 4 June 2010 (BST)
    Prove whininess. Prove zerging. -Captain Video 02:37, 9 June 2010 (BST)
    Wish Granted! As for zerging, consider it Proved. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 22:35, 11 June 2010 (BST)
  15. No Massive incompetence and stupidity does not qualify a group for historical status. Even the event itself was ill conceived and not really all that significant. --Grogh 22:41, 4 June 2010 (BST)
    Actually.. - User:Whitehouse 11:48, 5 June 2010 (BST)
    Haha yeah, no reason to make another mistake! --Grogh 02:35, 6 June 2010 (BST)
  16. No It's all been said. The value was in the event, not the group. If we're going to recognise anything, we should recognise the correct thing. -- Bisfan 00:23, 5 June 2010 (BST)
    But there isn't a separate category for that. -Captain Video 02:37, 9 June 2010 (BST)
    Category:Historical Events much? Aichon 02:51, 9 June 2010 (BST)
  17. No As Aichon Moonie Talk | Testimonials 08:53, 5 June 2010 (BST)
  18. No - It's more of an event. The poor coordination showed by survivors lessened the feel of a "group". The arrival of Zombies and PKers from practically every big group in the game was what made it an event. Suggestion - Let's get a decent event page sorted.-- Adward  11:23, 5 June 2010 (BST)
  19. I'm pretty sure that it was stated on the Escape page that they weren't really a group. - User:Whitehouse 11:48, 5 June 2010 (BST)
  20. No Akule is right on the spot. I say no, it's a historical event. -- I'm just adding on here because I don't know where else to say this :3 Something you guys should think about was this was just a big fail bandwagon (Escape, I mean), everyone just went "baaa" and sheeped over to Ellicott Place Railway Station. It's no historic group --S e n e r g y T 17:42, 5 June 2010 (BST)
  21. No It was a pretty large event but as a group Escape failed to accomplish anything whatsoever, unless you count being delicious. --Globule13 02:33, 6 June 2010 (BST)
  22. No No Escape ruined the group and prevented them reaching the stated goal. If No Escape didn't be ignorant dicks, they probably would of reach their goal. therefore, yes. No Escape should be "honored" for being the group that ruined it for everyone.--Lonercs 06:05, 6 June 2010 (BST)
    Could you be any more bitter? The break in that resulted in your downfall was 13 zombies, at first. 380 survivors failed to dump them. Any "ruining" is down to the failure of the survivors concerned. Not all of them, but the vast majority of them. And ignorant dicks? We just happen to go where the food is. :) -- Adward  12:54, 6 June 2010 (BST)
  23. No Was less of a group and more of a hangout for people. Doesn't fit criteria. --Sonny Corleone DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n 09:09, 6 June 2010 (BST)
  24. No - Like others, more of an event than a group. --Dr summeroff 17:35, 6 June 2010 (BST)
  25. No : 'Twas an event, 'tweren't a group. --Liche 18:47, 6 June 2010 (BST)
  26. No As whoever linked me to this page. --Shank Case 18:59, 6 June 2010 (BST)
  27. No Same reasons as Aichon and Yonnua. --Justin 19:25, 6 June 2010 (BST)
  28. No Same reasons as Aichon --Sazzacomae 8:09, 6 June 2010 (BST)
  29. No Unless this nom is for most epic failure....--Agent Sandman 03:07, 7 June 2010 (BST)
  30. No I would love to say yes, but I'm afraid despite all the fun, energy and attention, it simply wasn't a group until the tinychat started. Even then only one in ten of the people supposedly 'in' Escape got involved. If more people gotten involved, and helped achieve of the aim of reclaiming Ellicott Place on June 1st, I would have said yes. As it is, this was a fun movement, a massive event, a great laugh, but not an Historical Group. BOSCH 03:32, 7 June 2010 (BST)
  31. No - As Snowball II --Amber Waves of Pain 01:13, 8 June 2010 (BST)
  32. No - As Snowball II --Jorm 01:16, 8 June 2010 (BST)
  33. No - No it was interesting thats all --mo ヽ(´ー`)ノ MCM MOB DB 01:23, 8 June 2010 (BST)
  34. No - And I even sent my Sheana alt along for the fun and had her join up. But nothing... happened, and besides the few folks who stayed around for the hell of it and didn't, you know, stand up... it was a massive failboat. Sheana T / TMZ 08:13, 8 June 2010 (BST)
  35. No - Add another mark to the "Event" tally. Nominate it where it belongs, and you'll get a begrudging yes vote from me. --ZiPbeep boopMH+LUE 20:44, 8 June 2010 (BST)
  36. No - Why should failure be met with reward? --Skoll 06:53, 9 June 2010 (BST)
    I'm going to throw in a quick counterargument here:
    1. Events and groups are treated the same in the system (see, On Strike, The Big Bash, etc.). I think everyone who argues Escape's elimination from the historical record on the grounds of semantics is therefore a bit off.
    2. I sort of get why people didn't like Escape (even though it would have tipped the game's balance in the favor of the zombies and allowed the living to 'win,' thus satisfying both sides) but does the fact that you disliked the group really disqualify i?
    3. Escape is still the largest group in Malton, meaning that member characters, while forgetful, were and still are active in Malton. Inactive characters idle out after five days. This was real. Botched, but real.
    4: Does the fact that the group failed truly eliminate its significance? I mean yes, a win would have been nice, but there's a difference between losing and not mattering. Escape was big enough that in drew a huge horde to a railway station and turned a green suburb red. I'd say that was entirely significant.
    5: "They didn't do shit other than get trolled to death" isn't really an argument. And don't think I'm saying that because I'm a whiny survivor. I'm actually dead and loving it right now. I just think anybody who wants to give me flack for being lame should put as much work into telling me so as I put into one of those radio broadcasts. It's only fair.
    -Captain Video 02:28, 9 June 2010 (BST)
    Gotta say I concur. 1. BBB failed too, so what? 2. It's a shame that people from no escape are so quick to vote no because they want some recognition. Escape thought of the idea. Escape was original, you just added no at the front and griefed them. Well done, but too bad, Escape was the catalyst. This is the biggest and most talked about event in 2 years, 2 fucking years guys, the fact that the zombie players vote against en masse just because it was on the other side, and the zeds won, is a joke. And voting against it because it "should" be event just because they want to be included yet there's no event page as much from them as from the organisers of Escape, and it should be entered as a group anyway. Sigh. Having said that, I'm only disappointed that it won't be historical when IMO it should. Shit happens I guess. -- 02:38, 9 June 2010 (BST)
    I think it's about time we nullify the policy that created Historical Groups. The whole purpose of this category was to preserve groups of worth while Crit 12 was around on A/SD, but now that Crit 12 has been nullified for some time, the only purpose the category serves is to create excess drama and waste everyone's time with these e-peen contests every few months. Historical Groups shouldn't even exist any longer. In fact... Aichon 02:55, 9 June 2010 (BST)
    I don't think we should eliminate them completely, but removing the entry criteria is not a bad idea since they don't really mean what they used to. -- 03:24, 9 June 2010 (BST)
    Sorry to burst your bubble DDR, but the zombies were what made it such a good time (albeit a failure, but still a Historical Event). Kevan was most likely not going to do anything to the "Escapees", and if damn near every big zombie group int he game hadn't turned up, it would have just been a huge circle jerk for a couple of weeks. As it happens, a fun time was had. Also: It's rather shitty to assume that zombie players are all voting no for some recognition, or because we were on the other side. We came to Owsleybank because brains were there. We are voting against it because the group itself was a failure. Unless your name is FedCom, failure isn't criteria.-- Adward  17:44, 9 June 2010 (BST)
    It still sounds like you're just voting against this because you're a zombie. "If the other side hadn't showed up" isn't a valid argument in Malton. The other side always shows up. There were plans, other than getting eaten, for what would happen if we weren't spirited away. They're right on the Escape page. -Captain Video 23:28, 9 June 2010 (BST)
    Dont' forget Ron Burgundy? -- 03:01, 10 June 2010 (BST)
    Hey, don't blame all of us No Escapers. I'm quite happy to vote Yes, since the event itself revolved around Escape. As long as Escape is remembered, we'll be too. And more importantly, the group really does deserve recognition for getting 500 delicious brains all in one place for us to eat. ^_^ --Shatari 19:02, 9 June 2010 (BST)
    I did enjoy you guys. -Captain Video 23:28, 9 June 2010 (BST)
    DDR please explain how BBB was a fail? it crushed every criteria for an event.----sexualharrisonStarofdavid2.png ¯\(Boobs.gif)/¯ 09:05, 11 June 2010 (BST)
    It's been a while since I read it, but I seem to remember the BBB failing in their conquest of Blackmore... -- 10:06, 11 June 2010 (BST)
    umm we held it for over 3 months when most died in a few days sleeping in ridleybonk. and it passed voting into historical events. but you weren't there.. so right it's a fail.----sexualharrisonStarofdavid2.png ¯\(Boobs.gif)/¯ 22:19, 11 June 2010 (BST)
  37. No Others are right, it's the overall event that matters, not that group. What we need is an NPoV page about the event. And if only to motivate others to write and contribute to one when Escape fails to be regarded as historical group. -- Spiderzed 18:57, 10 June 2010 (BST)
  38. No Escape itself failed to complete its goal, and then failed to stay as dead bodies after June 1st. and don't say that's not a valid reason, that was the point of escape --4Zio'TJ! 19:04, 12 June 2010 (BST)
    You do realize that the 'staying dead' part was completely optional, right? Quite a few people chose to do so, but it was only one of several options for them. --Shatari 23:59, 13 June 2010 (BST)
  39. No The event was historical at best, the group weren't. --TouchingVirus 18:17, 14 June 2010 (BST)
  40. No It would’ve been a historical event, but the event never happened. It was a historical meal, nothing more. --Marinus 19:06, 14 June 2010 (BST)
  41. No All already been said. --Karekmaps?! 01:23, 15 June 2010 (BST)
    No I agree with others. The event was historical, but Escape as a group was just a mass of mostly feral survivors in a building waiting for something to happen. The collective Zombies and PKers of Malton made that something happen. We brought conflict, gave Escapees something to do during the wait. We even gave you the most logical ending of all. All Escape accomplished was having a mildly interesting idea and feeding a massive horde of zombies. Write up an unbiased event page detailing the events of Escape with all the major contributing groups (Zombies and PKers included) and I'll wholeheartedly support it as a historical event. Dolly Departed 05:58, 17 June 2010 (BST) Voting was over. Aichon 18:50, 17 June 2010 (BST)
    Four Zombies In One is right. Escape failed in its goal of actually escaping Urban Dead.--ShadowScope'the true enemy' 17:01, 17 June 2010 (BST) Voting was over. Aichon 18:50, 17 June 2010 (BST)

Voting ended. With 63 for and 41 against, Escape has failed to reach the 2/3 necessary for historical status. Aichon 18:50, 17 June 2010 (BST)