Category talk:Historical Groups/SucceededArchive

The nomination of any group that succeedes voting of historical status should be moved from Category talk:Historical Groups to here.

Pathetic Bill

In Malton, once players go inactive, few people remember their names other than some close friends and their obscure wiki userpages.
...Unless their names were Pathetic Bill.
Pathetic Bill was a group of 7 players (give or take a few) all named Pathetic Bill. They were PKers. But you already knew that (or you're very new).
Though they got their start in Eastonwood, killing the local groups there, they soon began to travel, terrorizing Huntley Heights, Richmond Hills, and promoting PK-Day, on 6/6/6. It was the success of PK Day that inspired D4rkness to create the PKA. At the PKA, their closely coordinated strikes caused them to be considered the best shock troops available by other groups, and the Bills were employed as such during the Rolt Heights War, various events against Fort Creedy and the CDF, and other long-term attacks like the Philosophe Knights' clearing of Richmond Hills.
The Bills were never a big group, or a particularly social group in the Metagame, but they live on in the memories of Malton's people because of their impact on the game population. They inspired successive generations of PKers (including Yours Truly) to take up PKing, at least two tribute groups, and dozens of similarly-named copy-cat killers. There was a time when seeing a Bill nearby would send survivors into a panic, and when having the Bills agree to show up to your PK event practically guaranteed success.
Pathetic Bill has won the MMA Most Notorious PKer Award Twice and the Biggest Pillaging Murderer Award once through the years of 2007, 2008, and 2009. Even now, without Historical status, Pathetic Bill is listed next to the Eastonwood Ferals as part of why Eastonwood is considered a Suburb of note.
So before you write something about how infamy alone does not lead to Historical status, or how they never brought the city to its knees, answer this: How many people will be eagerly emulating you and wearing your name when you've stopped playing this game?
(I wrote this quickly after realizing that the Bills were never nominated for Historical. I may have missed some important events in their timeline.) -DT^PK 00:27, 8 July 2012 (BST)

YES (Pathetic Bill)

1. Nominator Vote --DT^PK 00:33, 8 July 2012 (BST)
2. Definitely qualifies in my mind for PKing innovation even though it does so for many of the same reasons that I thought TX should get it for BHing innovation. I am curious to see how this pans out relative to the other active vote. -- Albert Schwan  _{Sunday, 8 July 2012}
3. Prediction: This passes with flying colors. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 00:51, 8 July 2012 (BST)
4. Yes, and this isn't just a bandwagon vote. They honestly deserve it for numerous reasons that should be obvious to anyone that's even mildly aware of them. —Aichon— 00:59, 8 July 2012 (BST)
5. Yes. so fun to play with. i miss those guys. --User:Sexualharrison01:08, 8 July 2012
6. Yes - I wasn't around for the original incarnation, but their impact was still felt when I started out. For all of the reasons that have already been listed. But I'll also cite another that was only hinted at; the Pathetic Bills were so iconic that when they quit the game a void was created that was so big that another group formed in tribute to them. Name any other group that faded from Malton that was reborn in the form of a group run and crewed by entirely different players. Any other group that came back was run by and crewed by former members, no other group has ever inspired a tribute group. Especially one that was almost single handedly responsible for the PKer meta-game that we know today. -- Goribus 01:47, 8 July 2012 (BST)

   There was Sons of DARIS but as I understand it they were pitiful (see deleted wiki page). And then there was DORIS which I guess was more satire then tribute. I still see SLP to this day and in fact knew about SLP before I knew about Pathetic Bill (because I was PK'd by SLP not long after I started playing). Don't know if you can judge a group by their tributes, but for what its worth you could say that Pathetic Bill did inspire the longest running tribute group in UD history. ~ _{03:43, 8 July 2012 (UTC)}

   The Silly Lilly Pillies never disbanded though. As far as I know it kept going and had a continual influx of new members. I know two or three of them, but only speak to one on a regular basis any more. If those girls ever disbanded I'd consider them a definite historical group as well. -- Goribus 21:18, 8 July 2012 (BST)

7. Textbook historical group. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 01:49, 8 July 2012 (BST)
8. One of the true classics in the game. Innovative, original and influential. --Papa Moloch 05:12, 8 July 2012 (BST)
9. Legendary. (On a side note, is there an official UD definition of "historical group"?)--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 08:32, 8 July 2012 (BST)

   nice reading comprehension it's only at the top of page.--User:Sexualharrison15:15, 8 July 2012

   Nice punctuation and grammar. It's a pity the definition is hidden away but even more of a pity that it's so broad as to be practically useless ("Groups are added to historical groups if they have made an impact on the way the game is played or otherwise contributed to the history of Malton").--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 19:56, 9 July 2012 (BST)

   Very true about the definition being kind of buried and practically useless when dug up. The second point has been made many, many a time. Why we can't just end the sentence at 'played' I don't know. --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 23:35, 9 July 2012 (BST)

10. As per Papa Moloch. --WanYao 15:41, 8 July 2012 (BST)
11. A classic application of misrepresentation to inspire terror. I thought they were one person for the longest time. I don't care much about the PKing events, but everything else Tom says plays. --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 16:34, 8 July 2012 (BST)
12. Most definitely! --Akbar 19:04, 8 July 2012 (BST)
13. This and SLP would be pretty straight forward votes. Pathetic Bill had RRF level name recognition, and for good reason. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 20:14, 8 July 2012 (BST)
14. Yes. Asheets 17:08, 9 July 2012 (BST)
15. yes. Though i wasn't even aware that they were gone. I just assumed the aPathetic Bill's (and similar) were part of the same crew. --Honestmistake 00:21, 10 July 2012 (BST)
16. Yes! These guys were the human monsters in the zombie apocalypse. No other group came close to how scary these guys were. --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 10:26, 10 July 2012 (BST)
17. Was never killed by them, but I witnessed many murders (the first time was a joint effort with Goolina, I remember being quite the starstruck noob). As Karloth, as a new survivor, these guys' wiki page and the surrounding reputation they had really had me scared, but also in awe. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 16:09, 11 July 2012 (BST)
18. yes. these guys terrified me when i was a n00b --Yakman 11:17, 12 July 2012 (BST)
19. Yes. I would have to agree with all these reasons stated above.        22:45, 12 July 2012 (BST)
20. Yes please. - MHSstaff 00:18, 13 July 2012 (BST)
21. As Paddy. --VVV ^RPGMBCWS 20:37, 19 July 2012 (BST)

No (Pathetic Bill)

1. Who? --THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 22:36, 12 July 2012 (BST)

   He's on first. --WanYao 14:42, 17 July 2012 (BST)

   I don't know!--User:Sexualharrison15:04, 17 July 2012

Allahu Akbar!!! - With 21 votes for Yes and just one facetious vote for No, the glorious PKer conspiracy has successfully pushed Pathetic Bill to the everlasting paradise that is Historical Group. May each of the Bills enjoy the virgins given to them by supreme Allah. --Papa Moloch 17:21, 22 July 2012 (BST)

Red Rum

Once the biggest ever group of murderers in this game, I had a lot of fun with these guys when we were shooting people and each other (I genuinely didn't expect to get shot by my own team quite so much, but it always made me laugh). Probably our most impressive stuff was when 10-30 of us would show up at once and kill everyone we could see, but my particularly favourite bits were the stupid things we did, like our Tea Party in the Blackmore Building. We combat revived the RRF holding the place, barricaded it up and then, when people started turning up proclaiming it was back in survivor hands, we shot them too. Hurray!

Here's some of the stuff we did below, but there was also a lot of cool stuff with other groups, whether we helped organise it (like the St. Valentine's Cherubs) or just turned up to have some fun (too many PKA events to list!). Thanks for all the good times! --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 13:18, 6 April 2012 (BST)

Cool Events: Tommy Gun | Creedystock | The Great Military Biscuit War | Battle Royale | Siege of Jerusalem | Dia De Los Muertos | Red Ranch | Hunting Season | Big Red Vasectomy Tour

Spinoff Stuff: Flat Earth Society | ¯\(°_o)/¯ | The Daily Ruminations | PANCAKE | Scour the Earth |
Lord Curton's Gentlemen's Hunting Club

Yes

1. Y'arrr - cheers to Beardo, Strata, DevilAsh, Revenant, Dancing Banana, Suburban Ed, GioV, Cypher, Goribus, Amber, Vis, binlaggin, Vandr, phozil, dipcup, shad, Genie, bluefish, turk and no doubt a whole load more people I've forgotten for all the awesome times! :D --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 13:24, 6 April 2012 (BST)
2. While their impact on the game as a whole may be perhaps up for discussion, they seemed to be a successful PK group back in the day. Well known by the public at large, while maintaining a style of their own that set them apart from the pack. Decent enough, so a yes. -- Thadeous Oakley Talk 13:47, 6 April 2012 (BST)
3. my first Pker group. ah the wanderers. this makes me sad.--User:Sexualharrison13:53, 6 April 2012
4. Absolutely. I thank all of the guys that contributed (you know who you are) and disagree inherently with Thad, but don't want to poke too much fun out of him in case he bans me again. Much love to everyone, I have really enjoyed rolling with the biggest PKing group in UD for the past seven or eight (good lord, that long?) years. --Ash  ^{|  T  |  яя  |} 14:09, 6 April 2012 (BST)
5. makeitsomakeitsomakeitso 14:11, 6 April 2012 (BST)
6. What the hell? I go inactive for a few months and you guys go dead? Not cool. But your group was cool. And DEFINITELY historical. —Aichon— 14:52, 6 April 2012 (BST)
7. :( Karl forgot me--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 16:22, 6 April 2012 (BST)
8. Red Rum was for a very long time the very biggest PKer group - and that continuously, while most PKer groups tend to fade away as fast as they rise. If you even consider to vote "no", your perception is seriously weird. -- Spiderzed█ 16:29, 6 April 2012 (BST)

   :D --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™} 22:05, 6 April 2012 (BST)

9. $50 says Skynet shows up to vote no on this. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 16:45, 6 April 2012 (BST)

   It seems you're still as active as ever.. A bit plan hindering on my hunt for a certain imposter masquarading around as me, but you can make it up to me if you leave this Death Cultist here with an infection next time. ;) --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 07:25, 7 April 2012 (BST)

10. YES! Asheets 16:59, 6 April 2012 (BST)
11. Piling in. These guys were before my time, but it's obvious they made a major contribution to the art of PKing. ~~ Chief Seagull ~~ ^talk 20:00, 6 April 2012 (BST)
12. --RadicalWhig 03:18, 7 April 2012 (BST)
13. Assuming that this is not another of their 'pranks', they should be passed into history without question. One of the game's defining groups. --Papa Moloch 04:01, 7 April 2012 (BST)
14. Uhm, yeah. Even if they are still active I think that predating this one then adding it when they're gone is appropriate. There's only about 4 or 5 groups I'd say that for too. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 11:41, 7 April 2012 (BST)
15. --Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 11:43, 7 April 2012 (BST)
16. This pack of lunatics unleashed a species of tongue-in-cheek madness that endlessly delighted everyone with a sense of humor and an appreciation for fine wine, and endlessly pissed off everyone who took the game too seriously. They are one of the few reasons this category exists. Bravo, Karl and company. Come visit me, or I shall cry. --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 18:20, 7 April 2012 (BST)
17. The single most infamous PKer group in all of Malton. I don't care who you are or how new you are to the meta-game, you have heard of Red Rum. And most of you at some point have either joined us or been shot by us. Oh and Axe, I've been false flagging for awhile. I'm in Ed's Peasant Militia, I just didn't want to spoil the surprise for you lot. I've also been tagging up as 'Wanderer' for revives. I told the Militia I wasn't going to tag up until Red Rum it was put up for Historical. Go ahead and check my profile again. -- Goribus 19:19, 7 April 2012 (BST)
18. Helped set the gold standard of murderous malefactors. -- Albert Schwan  _{Saturday, 7 April 2012}
19. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 02:32, 8 April 2012 (BST)
20. Really goes without saying. --Banana reads Scoundrell for all of Yesterday's News, Today! 04:49, 9 April 2012 (BST)
21. Aww, it's a shame Red Rum is disbanding. Thanks Karl and the gang for all the laughs. -- --Kooks 10:56, 9 April 2012 (BST)
22. They'll be back. Maybe not as Red Rum but still. No one quits UD for good. Everyone returns :P        16:31, 9 April 2012 (BST)
23. Yes, yes and yes again. Red Rum was always fun to hunt and it was always a pleasure to be killed by them. Sorry to see you disband. --Raven Corvus 19:56, 9 April 2012 (BST)
24. Most notable PK group i've run into.--~ Zach016 ^D.H.H.S. 17:45, 10 April 2012 (BST)
25. We're going to miss you guys. As everyone above. --Private Mark 04:15, 11 April 2012 (BST)
26. Allah's work is done, thank you for the faithful jihad, Yes allahahalalala --Binlaggin 09:13, 13 April 2012 (BST)
27. Of course - Without a doubt, this group should be inducted into historical groups. --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™} 20:57, 13 April 2012 (BST)

    Nay - Criteria states: "1. Groups must no longer actively contribute to the game." I assume you guys are still together in game? Do you still want to edit the Red Rum page? If so, then you'll have to wait to get included as a Historical Group. Recall that The Dead had to make a new page, rather than reopen the old one. Now, if Red Rum basically says: "Yeah, we're done." Then I will be willing to change my vote. --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™} 22:03, 6 April 2012 (BST)

    Nah, we're done. We had a vote on it on the forums and everything. --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 01:14, 7 April 2012 (BST)

    How long ago was it? D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 08:10, 7 April 2012 (BST)

    The thread to wind up Red Rum started in December 2011 - it's definitely not a snap decision! --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 10:35, 7 April 2012 (BST)

    Yep, Red Rum has been planning this since December. The official announcement was on April 1st actually. Which everyone seems to have taken as a prank. Justasplanned.png -- Goribus 19:08, 7 April 2012 (BST)

    Sorry to hear that. You guys were great. It'll be sad to see you go. --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™} 20:57, 13 April 2012 (BST)

28. Who? Never heard of… all, right, yes, the jig is up. Red Rum brought a whole new side of the game to life for me, probably the side that'll live with me the longest. We had some wacky antics, never took things too seriously, and had policies that had me in stitches (like the friendly fire policy which drove Grim s to distraction with our mathematical proof.) I'm particularly proud of killing my way through most of the leadership, including managing to stalk our illustrious founder Zaruthustra over the course of a week, and of keeping the group going for a while there when I accidentally fell into a leadership position, a fact that I am also proud of concealing for as long as possible, to the point where after I'd handed over the reigns there were still people who didn't know I was in the group. While we're here, let's give it up for Blue Bourbon, Green Gin, Amber Ale, Alliterative Alcoholics, Ryker & Emil Demolition: Removing Unsafe Masonry, Red Elves Delivering Roses Under Moonlight, Friends of the Featherstone Library and all the other wonderful cover groups that had us shooting anyone wearing "Red Rum" tags as "clear impostors".
    
    I'll miss this group, but really, after infiltrating every other group in the game, what other goals did we have left?
    
    I suppose we could do a big reveal of all our lifetime members, just to see who's shocked?… no mention of the group is complete without Sirens Discord, a very polarising figure for anyone who knew him/her, and who kept the forums going for the group for years after leaving active play. Also, IneptOne, our stealth reviver (who may or may not have pioneered the concept)… Dux Ducis, a fun guy who got eaten by RL and I'm sure is a successful executive somewhere now… Jennifer Thrush for being one scary and wonderful lady, our Muse in all things… Gunner92 for IRC hilarity… OK, now I think I'm just rambling. I'll miss you, Red Rum.
    
    Of course, I can think of no more fitting epitaph than "that strange couplet from the book of Al'hazred, the Mad Arab: “That is not dead which can eternal lie / And with strange aeons, even death may die.”"
    
    Now, Karl, where'd you put the damn Biscuit Tin? I could use a Jaffa cake!
    His Imperial & Royal Highness, the Archduke d’Œuvre 

    Uh-huh... http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/199/896/2jfg08h.gif --Papa Moloch 10:41, 16 April 2012 (BST)

29. YES, YES, and YES again. This group has been amazingly memorable, for so long, and the perfect day to close its doors. Absolutely gets my vote for Historical, and apparently everyone else's (despite my continued refusal to acknowledge that the group no longer exists). Karloooooooth! *shakes his fist vehemently* --Visible One 14:16, 16 April 2012 (BST)
30. YES. Red Rum was always a fun group to deal with for the Dulston Alliance, and an absolutely hilarious bunch of folks who left their mark on Malton. They deserve this status. -- Ottari ^{DA PDA NW} Read the Dispatch! 07:48, 17 April 2012 (BST)
31. The PKer group. Infamous, effective, irreverent, creative, mischievous, and personally, inspirational. Well and truly deserving of this status. --BOSCH 10:28, 17 April 2012 (BST)
32. They already seemed at least semi-historical back when I joined. -- †  talk ? f.u. 16:14, 20 April 2012 (BST)

No

1. look one no better than none ---Moosebomb

   where to begin? 1st. voting has closed, second learn proper formatting, and finally learn to sign properly.--User:Sexualharrison23:00, 23 April 2012

With voting closed, it's readily apparent that the community views Red Rum as a historical group (and with good reason!). This bid is a success. —Aichon— 23:28, 23 April 2012 (BST)

Channel 4 News Team

I'm still a little confused as to why I'm the one to do this, having Mr. Burgundy or another iconic member come back to do it would have been a fitting end for the group. But anyway, reports from one of its older members confirm that the group has been without activity for quite some time. According to forum and wiki activity the group has been inactive for many months, well past the 4 month waiting period for historical group nominations.

Again, I really don't know what to say about C4NT because I assume that if you're anyone who's anyone you already know what there is to know. They were led by the hilarious Ron Burgundy till 2008, probably one of the only real legendary survivors of UD, and have had a huge influence and impact in UD's earlier history, most famously the Battle of Blackmore, and also the first, second and third sieges of Caiger Mall. As a new ~2007 user, my bedtime lullabies were stories of Ron Burgundy and his quests for Glorious Battle, something I'm sure many of today's users can relate to. I only joined C4NT for a short period of time but in that small amount I had a ball, they were great players and funny roleplayers.

So here is the nomination I guess. Again, not really sure if I should add anything, since I'm assuming anyone who's been here for more than a few months will recognise them as historical in a splitsecond, but if you have more to add just add it below here I guess, or in your vote. I really liked C4NT and it's sad to see it go but It'll also be really fitting to finally see them go into Historical Groups (hopefully).

Note: I'm also aware that C4NT are still on the stats page too, with about 10 members. I think these may be stragglers similar to those who still had the group tag despite inactivity from the core group members, like when say The Dead's voting went forth. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 03:34, 24 June 2011 (BST)

Yes

1. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 03:30, 24 June 2011 (BST)
2. I HAVE PERFECT FUCKING HAIR AND CLASSY FUCKING SUITS!--User:Sexualharrison03:51, 24 June 2011 (bst)
3. BY ODIN'S RAVEN! – Textbook historical group. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 04:00, 24 June 2011 (BST)
4. 1 lemon 2 lemon 3 melon. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 04:27, 24 June 2011 (BST)
5. As Revenant.--Penguinpyro 05:28, 24 June 2011 (BST)
6. I once met Ron Burgundy. My god, his hair... I still weep to remember it. Mordred 07:25, 24 June 2011 (BST)
7. Essential --Papa Moloch 09:39, 24 June 2011 (BST)
8. Mmm, I just burnt my tongue. --Rosslessness 10:11, 24 June 2011 (BST)
9. Pretty much the essential survivor experience. I do miss eating them though. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 10:25, 24 June 2011 (BST)
10. Speedy Delete Crit 1. -- Spiderzed█ 12:20, 24 June 2011 (BST)
11. Duh, I really can't believe we're having to ask whether or not this group deserves historical status or not. --Ash  ^{|  T  |  яя  |} 12:35, 24 June 2011 (BST)
12. Who? --Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 16:17, 24 June 2011 (BST)
13. Vouch Promote the CUNTs. ~ _{16:39, 24 June 2011 (UTC)}
14. I will miss the fashion news. --QBee 16:47, 24 June 2011 (BST)

    Only historical because of their gross abuse of copyright violations.--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 17:22, 24 June 2011 (BST)

15. I shot at Ron Burgundy once, but he was protected by bears --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 18:41, 24 June 2011 (BST)
16. Big fat yes -DonTickles 18:57, 24 June 2011 (BST)
17. Voting from a glass cage of emotion. 19:27, 24 June 2011 (BST)
18. Hell yes Asheets 20:30, 24 June 2011 (BST)
19. Yes--Mrite 22:28, 24 June 2011 (BST)
20. Vouch as yonnua :D --_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 23:14, 24 June 2011 (BST)
21. Yes - They aren't already? Well get them in there! —Aichon— 23:18, 24 June 2011 (BST)
22. Aye-- Skoll ^Die 01:18, 25 June 2011 (BST)
23. Yes - Hibernaculum 02:11, 25 June 2011 (BST)
24. Yes - in memory of Baxt... wait, he still alive ? That's a miracle !!! --hagnat 03:39, 25 June 2011 (BST)
25. YES - Many great memories with this group. Stay classy, C4NT. --Zod Rhombus 06:02, 25 June 2011 (BST)
26. Yes Classy chaps. Smyg 14:40, 25 June 2011 (BST)
27. Like they even need my vote. --^A_O^R_D^M_O^P_R^I _! ^T 14:50, 25 June 2011 (BST)
28. Guess what, yes. I know that one day C4NT and I are gonna to get married on top of a mountain, and there's going to be flutes playing and trombones and flowers and garlands of fresh herbs. And we will dance till the sun rises. And then our children will form a family band. And we will tour the countryside and you won't be invited. --Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 17:12, 25 June 2011 (BST)
29. Too bad they were active before my time here, but looking at their page it looks these guys were legends. ~~ Chief Seagull ~~ ^talk 17:16, 25 June 2011 (BST)
30. Yeah. -MHSstaff 20:40, 25 June 2011 (BST)
31. Obviously yes.--FT 22:05, 25 June 2011 (BST)
32. Duh. --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 23:52, 27 June 2011 (BST)
33. YAR Sad to see them gone, only because the new groups will never get a chance to have the C4NT do a report on them or their exploits. --Josh Clark 06:48, 28 June 2011 (BST)
34. I remember when my alt DJSpinbad joined. It was during the Battle of Blackmore and I ran into Ron. I personally asked him to join the team, although I'm pretty sure my eyes were awestruck by his awesome hair that the words asking to join were just blurted out. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 23:09, 28 June 2011 (BST)
35. Yup Malton seems so much emptier without them. Barbecue Barbecue 08:59, 29 June 2011 (BST)
36. Yessuh Better to go to law school than fade away --Arthur Dent BIN LADEN IS DEAD!!!!! 18:43, 29 June 2011 (BST)
37. Yes This old Malton Ranger misses his allies in C4NT. Alas, all things must pass. Marcel Swann 00:27, 30 June 2011 (BST)
38. Damn Skippy. As a Ranger there was little better then charging a horde with C4NT cameras beside you. Well, maybe Burchell Arms bathtub whiskey. Or warm apple pie. Hmm, now that I think about it, there was that RRF streetwalker in Ridleybank back in '09...*cough, but, what I'm tryin to say is besides cheap whiskey and zombah hookers, ya can't beat C4NT! Det Briscoe 03:36, 30 June 2011 (BST)
39. I was thinkin about her, thinkin about me. Thinking about us, what we gonna be? Open my eyes, yeah; it was only just a dream. So I travel back, down that road. Who she come back? No one knows. I realize, yeah, it was only just a dream. I was at the top and I was like I’m at the basement. Number one spot and now she found her a replacement. I swear now I can't take it, knowing somebody's got my baby. And now you ain't around, baby I can't think. Shoulda put it down. Shoulda got that ring. Cuz I can still feel it in the air. See her pretty face run my fingers through her hair. My lover, my life. My shorty, my wife. She left me, I'm tied. Cuz I knew that it just ain't right. I was thinkin about her, thinkin about me. Thinking about us, what we gonna be? Open my eyes, yeah; it was only just a dream. So I travel back, down that road. Who she come back? No one knows. I realize, yeah, it was only just a dream. When I be ridin man I swear I see her face at every turn. Tryin to get my usher over, I can let it burn. And I just hope she notice she the only one I yearn for. Oh I miss her when will I learn? Didn't give her all my love, I guess now I got my payback. Now I'm in the club thinkin all about my baby. Hey, she was so easy to love. But wait, I guess that love wasn't enough. I'm goin through it every time that I'm alone. And now i'm missin, wishin she'd pick up the phone. But she made a decision that she wanted to move one. Cuz I was wrong. And I was thinkin about her, thinkin about me. Thinking about us, what we gonna be? Open my eyes, yeah; it was only just a dream. So I travel back, down that road. Who she come back? No one knows. I realize, yeah, it was only just a dream. If you ever loved somebody put your hands up. If you ever loved somebody put your hands up. And now they're gone and you wish you could give them everything. I said, if you ever loved somebody put your hands up. If you ever loved somebody put your hands up. And now they're gone and you wish you could give them everything. I was thinkin about her, thinkin about me. Thinking about us, what we gonna be? Open my eyes, yeah; it was only just a dream. So I travel back, down that road. Who she come back? No one knows. I realize, yeah, it was only just a dream. And I was thinkin about her, thinkin about me. Thinking about us, what we gonna be? Open my eyes, yeah; it was only just a dream. So I travel back, down that road. Who she come back? No one knows. I realize, yeah, it was only just a dream. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n} 06:46, 30 June 2011 (BST)
40. Duh. Linkthewindow  Talk  06:26, 1 July 2011 (BST)
41. Yes. Ah-.. To see one of best groups go inactive is heart-breaking. --Suff-TMS- <-- Killin' zombies! 22:25, 4 July 2011 (BST)
42. By the irritable bowels of Zeus! Today, while studying for the Texas bar exam, I received an email saying that the Channel 4 News Team is up for a historical vote. It's been a few years and a lifetime since I wandered off, but I still think about the News Team and laugh. Hopefully you all had as much fun reading about it as I had writing it. If any of you wash ashore in Galveston, Texas over the summer, come find me and I'll buy you all a scotch. --Ron Burgundy 23:58, 4 July 2011 (BST)

    basically. Fuck Off San Diego!--User:Sexualharrison09:06, 5 July 2011 (bst)

43. ẁ҉͢ò͝͡͡͡r̕͡t̸̸̢͜h̷̨̧̡y͟͡.̸̧̕͘--jorm 05:13, 5 July 2011 (BST)

No

1. NO but only because they deserve to be in a category of their own..."LEGENDARY" --Honestmistake 08:06, 24 June 2011 (BST)
2. No - I feel like a jerk going against such a clear bandwagon, but I've only heard mentions of them, and it doesn't seem like they held significant military weight. --VVV ^RPGMBCWS 07:48, 25 June 2011 (BST)

   Probably because they weren't military.. they were reporters.--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 07:57, 25 June 2011 (BST)

   They were heavily involved in almost every historical event in the game's history before they vanished. You should take a jaunt through Category:Historical Events--Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 09:06, 25 June 2011 (BST)

   Or indeed the current featured article on the main page. --Rosslessness 10:51, 25 June 2011 (BST)

   and Military Might has nothing to do with being historical. See QSG on Tour--User:Sexualharrison11:26, 25 June 2011 (bst)

   'Military weight'? Are you serious?! It's nothing to do with military power or bandwagons. They were involved in all the big events, often as key members/ringleaders and were led by one of the most famous players ever to hit Malton. The only group in the game who are more deserving of historical status than C4NT are the Ridleybank Resistance Front.--Papa Moloch 14:30, 25 June 2011 (BST)

3. Who? - --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™} 23:05, 28 June 2011 (BST)
4. As Akule--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 22:45, 4 July 2011 (BST)

I didn't even bother to checkuser and calculate, because it is crystal-clear that the community wants C4NT to be historical. And so they were massively successful. -- Spiderzed█ 12:07, 9 July 2011 (BST)

(To The) Four Winds

The group has officially disbanded after losing its fight against dwindling numbers and the shock and void left by the death of the well-loved and highly active player behind Brother Angst. (To The) Four Winds was created in September 2006 as an entirely, totally, 100% mobile revive group, with no home suburb whatsoever. As far as I am aware, it was an entirely new concept at the time and we believe we were the first pro-survivor group to run from suburb to suburb managing revive points and helping local groups rebuild their homes. We somewhat set a model, with groups following suit later, such as the Dribbling Beavers detaching the mobile Bouncing Beavers during the Second Big Bash. We started by following the Big Bash step by step. At our best in late 2006, we were able to attend requests in 2 hours maximum time, despite being only 29. During the Second Big Bash, even with numbers no higher than 12 (and usually much less than that), we were quick, good and respected enough to feature, with others, in Uncle Zeddie’s “Radio Survivor” episode 31 (http://radiosurvivor.blogspot.com, “Darth Zeddie” episode, around min 2:10; March 31st 2008). We have now gone, but we think we set a premiere in a way of playing the game and we also changed the survivor’s mentality from deeply suburb rooted to more mobile minded; thus, for what I believe to be these main contributions to the game, I nominate the group for Historical status.

1. Yes - Nominator's vote. Besides, I think being the first truly mobile reviver group is historical. --Aureus 14:30, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
2. For - The group's name still pops up in conversations now despite being a force so long ago. I'm for it. 14:40, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
3. Yea ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 15:17, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
4. Yes - Definitely. I considered putting a survivor character in with you guys, but never had the organisation. --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 16:15, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
5. Yea - I've heard of you, you've been around a long time, and you have a legitimate claim to being historically significant. Good luck!--_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 16:30, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
6. Yea --Rahrah^{Come join the #party!}16:34, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
7. No-Axel27 16:36, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

   glad to see you're not bitter that your zergling infestation has been rejected. :D --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 17:17, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

8. Yes - Explanation done by those before me.-- Adward  17:23, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
9. Yes - I love these guys. Getting behind the lines and dishing out needles while everyone else is pulling triggers and waving cocks? How dare you! --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 17:27, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
10. Yea - Nice to have some legitimate claims come through occasionally. —Aichon— 19:35, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
11. Yea - Historical for the new ideas it supplied. --^TCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 19:38, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
12. Aye - For the above, as well as an impressive track record of going beyond the game. --Private Mark 20:37, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
13. For - It's been a while since I heard the name, but as I remember it anyway means something. Good luck with the historical status, though I'm pretty sure you won't need it :P RinKou 21:56, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
14. Yea - As Karloth --Haliman - Talk 22:47, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
15. Yes - Obviously. --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 22:56, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
16. Yes - They deserve it. --LithedarkangelMeth!^{The Great Meth Man} 23:07, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
17. Yes - This group definitely meets Historical Group criteria. --ZiP^MH+LUE 23:37, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
18. Yea - -- The Rune Carver/ Hejsa 23:43, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
19. Yes - Original, highly-skilled and contributors in major events. Good enough for my endorsement. --Papa Moloch 23:48, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
20. Yes --Paul Power 00:09, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
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22. Yea --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 01:51, 12 December 2009 (BST)
23. No - Sorry, not taking the claim that you created the mobile survivor group model seriously at all. Were you around these events? Yes, I vaguely remember you. Did you do anything in and of yourself to contribute, style or mould the game in a previously unknown way? Not that I can see. An old and well liked group you are, historical you are not. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 06:23, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
24. Yea I remember them. My non PKer alts have been revived by them numerous times. --Kelly_U ^{RR talk} 09:54, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
25. Yes Former member myself, I found there was no other group which implemented the reviving of the worst suburbs (in the fullest meaning of reviving, not only de-zombifying) better. We were known by many groups in many of the suburbs, we were there when it mattered. --Moran 12:39, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
26. Yes Another former member who joined after being helped a lot by this group. --Enniskillen 13:34, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
27. Yes these guys were the real deal. fun to play with and fun to kill.----Sexualharrison 21:31, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
28. YES I have seen your work. Cheers!--Roland 00:49, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
29. No -Hibernaculum 04:28, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
30. No never heard of them --Athur birling 23:51, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
31. No - I've never seen you in-game, and only heard of your group from the wiki. --ZsL 01:34, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
32. Yes - worked alongside you guys a couple of times years back. Great group Sanpedro 02:38, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
33. yes/whatever - --Truezombieboy 08:37, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
34. YES _ One of the most effective mobile revive groups. Loved working with you guys!--Jim Bim 11:00, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
35. Yes Any group that even tries to suggest that survivors do more than polish guns behind EHB cades is game changing in my book. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 11:17, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
36. Yes Worked with them as a Dribbling Beaver then joined up with them. --Primo Beer
37. Yes My character enjoyed the necessary slaughter of these healers from time to time--C Whitty 15:14, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
38. No - They existed, sure. But they didn't do shit. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n} 18:43, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
39. Yes --Hawke2019 03:49, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
40. Yup --WanYao 07:29, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Voting Over. With 40 votes, of which 34 indicate approval and 6 indicate disapproval, (To The) Four Winds has achieved a percentage of 85% and has passed the vote to become a historical group. —Aichon— 21:32, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

WHY HASN'T THIS BEEN ARCHIVED! --Thadeous Oakley 08:32, 3 June 2010 (BST)

Flowers of Disease

Flowers of Disease have disbanded and they have been a strong PKer presence in Malton for years. I have had the pleasure in battling them in the streets myself as a Bounty Hunter. Their Campaigns were often well organized against any who they deemed a target. You could always expect them to be part of any PKA organized attacks or get together. From Samhain Slaughter and Samhain Slaughter 2. The Malton Uprising, and Silent Night Slaughter at Fort Creedy. That is why I am nominating them for Historical Status.

1. Yes - Nominator vote --Josh Clark 02:03, 22 October 2009 (BST)
2. Yes - Flowers=Win _♥AU10♥Pantomime _{Mistress of Pain}┌∩┐(◕‿◕)┌∩┐03:41, 22 October 2009 (BST)
3. Yes - For Democracy!-- SA 15:13, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
4. Yes ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 04:09, 22 October 2009 (BST)
5. Yes --Banana reads Scoundrell for all of Yesterday's News, Today! 06:44, 22 October 2009 (BST)
6. Yes Flotsam. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 09:23, 22 October 2009 (BST)
7. Yes --Jimaine Dunwich 09:56, 22 October 2009 (BST)
8. Yes Of bloody course! --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 10:09, 22 October 2009 (BST)
9. Yes - I used to be in agroup that fought them, and I am proud to say that I have done that. Obvious yes! (Funny, the Blackhawk died before the Flowers did. T proves that God is a racist/hawkist son of a bitch.)--Dedling 02:01, 23 October 2009 (BST)
10. Yes I LOVE PK GROUPS! Criminally Insane 10:22, 22 October 2009 (BST)\\
11. Yes Yes but only cause they get me high ----Sexualharrison 11:08, 22 October 2009 (BST)
    
12. Yes for obvious reasons Conndraka^{TAZM CFT} 11:09, 22 October 2009 (BST)
13. Yes While a small group, they brought a lot of fun to the PKer community and had a lot of presence in game. --Papa Johnny 13:14, 22 October 2009 (BST)
14. Yes Without a doubt, one of the most inventive, and brilliantly done groups out there. Original and always coming up with amazing events. Not to mention every member I have met in game is a stand up person. Matt Aries 14:30, 22 October 2009 (BST)
15. Yes - Our allies, our friends. Massive driving force in the PKA, and great guys. They'll be missed. --Blanemcc 16:37, 22 October 2009 (BST)
16. Yes --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 17:36, 22 October 2009 (BST)
17. Yes - Johnny said it best, they did a lot for Pkers in game. -- 
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18. Yes - They meet the criteria to me. But if this is some kind of trick to get historical status and they aren't really disbanded I'll be upset.--_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 19:26, 22 October 2009 (BST)

    We are disbanded, but for a celebration for the two years of Pking we will be attending the Samhain Slaughter 3 [not confirmed].--^TCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 14:08, 23 October 2009 (BST)

19. Yes - As Giles, however. —Aichon— 20:59, 22 October 2009 (BST)
20. Yes - Pretty fun group in the past --Haliman - Talk 22:33, 22 October 2009 (BST)
21. Yes - Excellent PKers and an awesome group. Also: Frighteningly effective. --DT^PK 23:38, 22 October 2009 (BST)
22. Yes - One of the best and will be missed --Gus Thomas^SpartaZHU 01:40, 23 October 2009 (BST)
23. Yes - I'm sad to see this awesome group go. --ZsL 02:09, 23 October 2009 (BST)
24. No - Did nothing to change the game that I ever noticed. --WanYao 03:19, 23 October 2009 (BST)
25. Yes - --Met Fan ^F 03:33, 23 October 2009 (BST)
26. Sure why not - Never heard of them, but I like PKers Cookies and Cream 07:46, 23 October 2009 (BST)

    Wow... --Obi ^{+ Talk!|TZH|MDK} 21:39, 23 October 2009 (BST)

27. No --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 09:54, 23 October 2009 (BST)

    Essentially, as Moloch. I don't think Flowers fit the greater picture of a historical group. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 00:51, 24 October 2009 (BST)

28. Yes - Oh fuck yes. 16:38, 23 October 2009 (BST)
29. No - I can't believe this is even being considered. These people had a flimsy gimmick and image. Their impact on the game as a whole was negligible outside of one or two internet forums, and most importantly: they haven't been around that long. --Dhavid Grohl 17:26, 23 October 2009 (BST)

    We love you to.--^TCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 20:41, 23 October 2009 (BST)

30. No- Historical on what grounds? Srs question... Sorry, I'll have to say no. --Obi ^{+ Talk!|TZH|MDK} 21:39, 23 October 2009 (BST)

    Well it certainly wouldn't be based on our visits to your two groups Obi. --Hib

31. No - I think this vote is a perfect example on how far you can get on the bandwagon. --Thadeous Oakley 21:52, 23 October 2009 (BST)
32. Yes - Cuz if there's all this butthurt over them they must have been doing their jobs right. - M arcusF ilby ^T 23:04, 23 October 2009 (BST)
33. Yes - Without them, some of the biggest and best PKer strikes in Malton may never have happened. As a group they were phenomenal at racking up hundreds of kills in many different campaigns. --Toothdecay 23:34, 23 October 2009 (BST)
34. No - I like the Flowers a lot, both as players and as people, but I don't see in what way they can genuinely be considered significant enough to be an historical group. They were all very good at what they did - probably the best 'griefing' team in the game - but to me that's not enough. Too often nowadays the historical tag is used simply to differentiate between good and bad groups, hence the number of middling groups who now bear the accolade (Ghetto Cow spring immediately to mind). Flowers of Disease were undoubtedly good, but for me an historical group needs to have made a difference to the game itself. Sadly I don't think that they achieved that, so my vote here has to be no. --Papa Moloch 00:21, 24 October 2009 (BST)

    At least you said no in a good way :D --^TCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 00:26, 24 October 2009 (BST)

35. Yes - The Flowers were famous for their group tactics and warfare strategy. I can't help but see anyone saying "no" as being butthurt by the fact that either A) they'll never be in a historical group they made or B) were stomped into the ground by the Flowers. If you need proof of why they deserve historical group status, well look up Samhain Slaughter and Silent Night Slaughter. Goribus 01:18, 24 October 2009 (BST)

    If you can't see 'no' votes in any other way than those that you outline then you have a truly risible understanding of both the voters concerned and of the game itself. --Papa Moloch 01:29, 24 October 2009 (BST)

    Most of the 'no' votes come from TZH and other Pro Survivor groups that the Flowers have come in contact with. I'm also blunt, and don't give a fuck about pretending I know everything about a browser game on the internet. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong, but I can't help but see most, if not all, of the 'no' votes as spite. However, do correct me if I'm wrong. That's always more helpful than snide comments. Goribus 01:50, 24 October 2009 (BST)

    That you have the audacity to make, yes, a snide remark about 'snide' remarks, having posted, yes again, a snide remark ('I can't help but see anyone saying "no" as being butthurt by the fact that either A) they'll never be in a historical group they made or B) were stomped into the ground by the Flowers.') only serves to demonstrate that you are not only a poor commentator, but also something of a fool. TZH are twats (no surprise to anyone there), but Wan Yao and DDR have been around a long time and do not vote in enmity. As for me, Hibernaculum and I have been meta-game friends for a couple of years. I voted no because for me they do not fit the tag 'Historical' as they lack lasting influence. But naturally, anyone who disagrees with you must be 'butthurt' and lack any other reason for their decision, right? --Papa Moloch 02:03, 24 October 2009 (BST)

    Most =/= Moloch. I can't stress that enough. I'm sorry you decided to jump up and say "Fuck you! I'm not being spiteful" when it wasn't directed at you. It was directed at TZH, the Umbrella guy, and anyone else being spiteful. All you really had to do is say something along the lines of "I've known them for years, and I don't agree.", but no. You jump up and make a scene. And over what? You thinking some stranger on the internet thinks you're being a dick? *shrugs* Sorry man, but I think you need to calm down. You're taking shit that wasn't aimed at you personally. You know what? If you want to continue arguing let's do it on our talk pages or in PMs, or where ever. This ain't the place for it. Goribus 02:17, 24 October 2009 (BST)

    You don't have a clue about my voting motivation, so don't call me out for something you don't know about. I heard only once or twice from FOD, and I have never met any member of them. If you don't like my personal opinion then just stay away. --Thadeous Oakley 16:30, 24 October 2009 (BST)

    I will say Moloch though I don't agree with you (and I think the disparity is in what we interpret is and isn't considered "historical"), I respect your opinion. At least your decision was made based on what you believe, not because you were crushed by the FOD and are still upset over it like the TZH chumps. Which is what Goribus took issue with. Lets leave it at this then and let the vote play out. My opinion is that we were not as historical as some already considered historical but more historical than others. Certainly as Pkers, I think we did enough during our time to warrant consideration. - HIB

    Everyone's interpretation of "lasting" or "Historical" is quite different from each other.I voted yes because the Flowers and Hib made a big difference to me personally as mentors.The Flowers were one group that affected my game play, and because of this, indirectly effected the game as a whole. One of the reasons LoD is growing strong as a Death Cult/PK group is because of how they played. A long time ago I watched from a distance as best as I could on how they conducted themselves. I read forum banter, watched them in game ect. to help me be a better leader. Now you could say, is this relevant or lasting? Why yes, it is to me. These votes are of a personal opinion and The Flowers of Disease made a lasting impression on me, which indirectly effected the game. In my opinion, this is well deserving of a yes vote. I am only but one voice. Freedom of opinion and an equal right to vote is Democracy. It's not perfect but it will be the ruling factor here._♥AU10♥Pantomime _{Mistress of Pain}┌∩┐(◕‿◕)┌∩┐03:33, 24 October 2009 (BST)

    As far as I can see the formal criteria for being a historical group no longer includes having a lasting influence on the game. Is that right? --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 18:10, 24 October 2009 (BST)

    +1, Mr. Dignam.-- SA 17:43, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

36. No I don't feel the Flowers impacted my gameplay or the others around me. Therefore, I do not think they are historical. Now don't get it wrong, they were pretty amazing, but not quite historical. --Rahrah^{Come join the #party!}09:47, 24 October 2009 (BST)

    Thats because we never had to vist your groups.(Thats a good thing)--^TCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 10:32, 24 October 2009 (BST)

    You know you sound like every other fucking trenchcoater with an over-inflated opinion of himself and his lame-assed group. Just thought I'd mentioned that....

    I never encountered your group. To me, you were nothing but a wiki page a tiny bit of hype (mostly created by your feud with fellow attention-whores, TZH). You never had any impact on the game that I play, you changed nothing and contributed nothing original to UD/Malton. So, no matter how awesome you may think your group was, they aren't historical. --WanYao 14:13, 24 October 2009 (BST)

    Everyone is entiltled to their opnion. --^TCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 15:33, 24 October 2009 (BST)

    Ahhhh, good to see we can still cause a ruckus amongst those who don't like us even when we've closed shop. Anyway, take a pill and settle down Wanny boy. Perhaps the concept of humour has escaped you but he was saying it tongue in cheek. lets get the historical definition straight since there seems to be some confusion. Here is the policy definition that is laid out on this page for obtaining historical status. Groups are added to historical groups if they have made an impact on the way the game is played or otherwise contributed to the history of Malton. So we never had any impact on the game you play? So you actually play then? And not just do your best impersonation of WOOT on Brianstock? Think on this. How many groups have actually made an impact on the way the game is played? If that's the only criteria, you better remove everyone but The DEAD. And maybe there is a place for the DEM when they are done and possibly the RRF. Thats it. The others all fall into the second category and that is otherwise contributed to the history of Malton. Now that contribution is up for debate which is what this vote is about. We earned the respect of our peers (as you can see from the votes), helped plan the 3 biggest Pker strikes in the game in the last two years, and had one of the highest, if not the highest kill count of any Pker group over that span. Basically, you really don't follow the game much if you think all we did was attack TZH. TZH was one campaign which lasted just over a month. And the hype was created by them, not us. We could care less about them but they still carry on as if it happened yesterday. I've seen your posts before at BS WAN. And it's always negative, pontificating...like the rest of us are all a bunch of dummies and your word is gospel. By your own admission, you never encountered us but yet to you we were just a wiki page and hype. Good to see you made your judgment based on the facts. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course. If you honestly think we aren't worthy of consideration, so be it. Vote NO. But it would be nice if the opinion would be based on some sort of fact or true belief and not just I've never encountered you but Your a lame assed group and you're just a wiki page and hype. I don't like you. Sorry Moloch. Goribus was right. Wanny's vote has as much merit as TZH's. Just another guy with an axe to grind. -- HIB

    '...possibly the RRF'? 0.o --Papa Moloch 16:37, 24 October 2009 (BST)

    I think you need to learn how to sign, before you puke out a wall of text like that.--Thadeous Oakley 16:22, 24 October 2009 (BST)

    {SIGH}...Sorry Thadeous, is this better? But you are correct. That was excessive. Especially here. I'll say no more. --Hibernaculum 17:04, 24 October 2009 (BST)

    Wow. I've voted against a LOT of whiney trenchcoater groups who yelled and screamed at every No voter who wasn't willing to acknowledge their obvious greatness -- but you guys really take the take. Really, really, really sorry if your in-game antics made no difference to my gameplay or impacted the culture of Malton as far as I am concerned. Also really, really, really sorry if the only place you seem to know me from is Brainstock -- a shyte board full of shyte trolls which I never took seriously. Maybe you were big and mighty there, but as I said, I considered Brainstock a joke and treated it as such. Maybe if you'd influenced some stuff over at Barhah.com... maybe if you'd made a difference to groups like COMBAT REVIVE / The Big Prick or 404: Barhah not found... Or to events like the Second Big Bash... Maybe then I'd have voted Yes. But, you didn't... So quit whining like such butthurt morons. Oh... and your idea of focusing on PKing lame and stupid survivor groups was most certainly not original or new. --WanYao 01:19, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

    Wan, someone made a silly joke. You came out of nowhere acting like an absolute asshole. Hib's mistake was responding to your trolling, not being "butthurt" about your vote. Nobody cares about your vote, or was interested in your description about what it would have taken to get it. You were insulting and got an unhappy response. Congratulations. If you feel the need to continue this, please do it in a manner other than a collection of insults designed to cause an internet pissing contest. --Allan Friedman 04:11, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

    You're obviously reading a completely different thread than me... I am far from alone in thinking that FoD are not worthy of historical status and neither am I alone in my reasons for considering the nomination unjustified. Meanwhile, several of FoD supporters have been saying that those voting "No" were either personally butthurt by the group or just ignorant for not having heard of them. News flash: most of us are neither. And, if I choose to defend myself vigorously in the face of such an comments... well... if that makes me a troll... Brave for me, where's my lumpy wooden club?

    Meanwhile, seeing as a significant minority of users -- many of whom know UD very well and have been part of the communtiy for a long time -- are in agreement with me... my opinion isn't as irrelevant as you'd like to make out. Anyhooo... I'll let you go back to being a pot calling a kettle black now. Cheers and thanks for your "valuable input"! --WanYao 12:48, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

    If you think you were defending your views, perhaps we are reading two different threads. Because in the one I'm reading, there had been exactly one negative comment made about the "no" voters when you