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Makeshift Weapons

Makeshift Weapons

Timestamp: Pathetic Bill X February 1, 2010 15:28

Type: Weapons, Items, Skills

Scope: New skills that would allow a character to create temporary items/weapons by combining items.

Description: New items that would need to be introduced include: box of nails (uses=3), duct tape (uses=4), lighter (uses=3), and bundle of wires (uses=2). Basic Makeshift Skill: Allows you to make simple items using the toolbox. Advanced Makeshift Skill: Allows you to make better items. Acc with makeshift weapons raised 5%. Engineering: You can make even better items. Acc with makeshift weapons raised 5%. Advanced Engineering: You can make the best items. Acc with makeshift weapons raised 5%.(Note: Basic Makeshift is needed for the other three skills, both basic and advanced makeshift is needed for engineering skills. Basic engineering is required for advanced) How it works With these new skills, you'd be able to combine various objects that would normally not be very helpful into useful tools. However, the items that you use have a 40% chance of breaking each time they are used. You would combine items by clicking on the toolbox(if you have one). A small menu, similar to when you're using a cell phone would appear, with six drop down menus and a create button. You would select your items from the drop downs, then you click the button and your new item will appear in your inventory. How many skills you have in makeshift weapons and engineering determines what you can make and how accurate you are with them. Weapon skills will affect accuracy. Here are some examples: Spike Knuckles: Duct tape + Box of nails, increases punch damage to 2. Acc the same as punching. Nail Bat: Box of nails + Baseball bat, Dmg 3 Base Acc 20%. Spear: Length of pipe + duct tape + knife, Dmg 3 Base Acc 30% Battle Axe: Fire Axe(x2) + duct tape(x2), Dmg 5 Base Acc 15% Flamethrower: Spray can + duct tape + lighter, Dmg 15 Base Acc 10% uses=3 That was just some weapon examples, now here are some examples of non weapon creations: Armored Vest: Length of pipe(x2) + duct tape + Flack Jacket, 40% damage reduction. (Note: Does not stack with a normal flack jacket) Zombie Alarm: portable generator + DNA extractor + radio transmitter + bundle of wires + duct tape, the zombie alarm is set in a particular area where it will broadcast to whatever radio freq it was set to. It will broadcast how many zombies are at its location every hour. It needs fuel to work, and it can be destroyed. Torch: Lighter(x2) + length of pipe + duct tape, allows you to search a unlit building as if it were lit. Runs out quickly. Thats all I can think of for now, I couldn't find this in the over suggested stuff, so I hope to get some constructive feedback.

Discussion (Makeshift Weapons)

See also: Dead Rising 2? 22:07, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Exactly what i was thinking, now I want a sledgehammer as well :D--^TCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 16:48, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Not a dupe. Just worth pointing out. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 22:08, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

No portable light sources - they are a huge can of worms that would need to be tackled on its own. (And even then, it would be better to let it be.) -- Spiderzed▋ 22:10, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

I'll gladly drop the portable light source thing, because I can see where you're coming from Spiderzed. But I have to disagree with Misanthropy and Axehack, Dead Rising 2's makeshift weapons are quite over the top and most wouldn't be very practical. I'm simply refering to things that could just give you a temporary edge in a pinch, like making your punches do more damage. Or if nothing else, provide for a bit more flavor. As for Cap'n Silly's rejected idea, his suggestion seems to be more like perks than actually making a new weapon, I can see why it was rejected. I think that maybe if I bounced the idea around a bit, I could clean it up some. Besides the torch, is there any other problems? Pathetic Bill X February 2, 2010 11:47

I'd support the idea except the armored vest and zombie alarm they seem to strong. The make shift weapons would bring a little bit more humor to an aging game. Not to mention some interesting kill messages "Player### was speared by a javelin" or "PlayerXX head shot you with a makeshift battle axe". I don't see any of them would be used regularly in the long run because a fire axe is still the best melee weapon and you don't need any skills or tools to make it. Eventually they would fall into the same group as sports equipment weapons once the novelty wore off, relegated to flavor kills which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Also nail down what the encumbrance for those weapons would be as it would be an important factor.       04:02, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

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Symbol Tag

Timestamp: --Anarchomutualist says: The state is war, ⓐnarchy is order. 18:00, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Type: Flavor

Scope: Spraycans

Description: When graffiting "a bloodied eye" onto a wall in Borehamwood, an actual image of a bloodied eye showed up. Why not apply the same mechanic to Malton? Spraypainting the following text will yield the following symbols: Someone has spraypainted a circle-a onto a wall. Someone has spraypainted a hammer and sickle onto a wall. Someone has spraypainted a crucifix onto a wall. Any other ideas for symbols?

Discussion (Symbol Tag)

A better approach would be for some sort of tags (say asterisks) to cancel the italics in spraying - so "*a hammer and sickle*" would come up as Someone has spraypainted a hammer and sickle here. instead of Someone has spraypainted a hammer and sickle here. 19:06, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Ooo, ooo! You know, I was always curious about the bloodied eye, and now that I saw it I don't like it. Bummer. Neither do I like the other images, they comlpletely break the look of the game (even with UDTool running). I'd like smaller, black-and-green (or something else, similar to the UD look) symbols instead, which look like they were actually painted on the wall (like the circle-a). Misanthropy has a nice idea, too. I'm fond of spraypainting... erhm, 'something'... all around town, having it merge with the block description would be plain AWESOME. ~m ^T! 04:21, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, the pictures I did were a little stopgap. I would assume that a finalized version would include include more..."blendy" pictures. Or maybe ASCII characters? Like if you type in, "a circle-a" it comes up as Someone has spraypainted a large Ⓐ here. without the italics. I believe that there are ASCII crosses, hammers and sickles, and a variety of other political/religious symbols to choose from. ----Anarchomutualist _says: ^{The state is war, ⓐnarchy is order.} 14:07, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

That would win you an internets, sir. ~m ^T! 23:30, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Look what I found: ☭, †. Someone has spraypainted a large ☭ here. Someone has spraypainted a large † here.

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Zombies attack in dark buildings

Timestamp:        05:10, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Type: Adds to scent blood

Scope: Zombies

Description: It is my belief that if a zombie can smell out a persons HP level or if they're are infected said zombie should be able to pinpoint the exact location of a smelly survivor standing beside him in a dark building. I mean it's been 5 years without any showers the dead probably smell better than us living. Back on topic, the way it would work is once a zombie purchased the Scent Blood skill he/she would have the normal attack rates in an un-powered dark building. Yes its a slight boost to zombies but I don't see it unbalancing the game because there aren't an exceptional number of dark buildings in the game and it seems people love to put generators in them anyways.

Discussion (Zombies attack in dark buildings)

This is my first suggestion so feel free to tear it to pieces hence why I'm posting it here :P I did some checking and didn't come across it anywhere else but I could have missed it just as easily.       05:15, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Doesn't work in addition to the tangling grasp boost, as zombies would become more powerful in the dark. But it would make sense if they could smell HP / presence and condition of bodies, when the sniffer is a zombie. --VVV ^RPGMBCWS 05:19, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

--Well that does make sense..it'd require him to basically undo some of his work. Unless he just made it so scent blood adds a 25% attack boost in the dark?       05:32, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Its probably too powerful in its current form. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 17:50, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't say zombies getting full attack power in dark buildings would be too powerful. There aren't a whole lot of them compared to the other buildings in Malton and most survivors prefer to stay in TRPs and Malls. As dark buildings are normally the last targets on the list they are still safer than the average building when a horde rolls in. Unless you'd say set up shop in RidleyBank but not much is going to save you there..       04:47, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

On the contrary, many suburbs are jammed with dark buildings. Especially central Malton. Lukinswood has just as many dark buildings as it has TRPs, Richmond Hills has nearly double the amount of darks as TRPs and South Blytheville has 12 dark buildings, more than any other suburb. Now while it may be true that your average squatting survivor will pick a PD or Hosptial over a Cinema or Bank or Club, the mobile survivor groups use them quite often, as do hostile survivor groups. Dark buildings have saved me many times while in an unsafe suburb. I don't think the current dark building system creates an imbalance at all. The tangling grasp update a few months back even tipped the scale a bit in zombie favor IMO but still left it mostly balanced. I say leave it alone. ~ 05:19, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

I was talking as buildings in a whole but there are some suburbs where dark buildings make up 1/4-1/3 of the buildings present. My survivor alts sleep in dark buildings almost exclusively and it has saved me quite a few times so I know the safety they provide. Here's the thing..you aren't suppose to be safe anywhere when zombies get inside your building. Ah but I suppose I'm just an old player looking to make the game a tad more difficult.       13:06, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

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Yet another fire suggestion

Timestamp: --Anarchomutualist says: The state is war, ⓐnarchy is order. 02:46, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Type: New feature

Scope: Buildings

Description: When a generator is destroyed, a fire starts. There are five levels for a fire, going from one to five. A building on fire has this message added to its description: There is a [minscule/small/medium/large/blazing] fire in the building. A building on fire cannot be scouted as a safehouse, for obvious reasons. Every action taken in a flaming building takes away 1 HP per level of fire (like a location-based infection; a level 3 fire would take 3 HP per action), except with Fire Safety (see below). Fire increases by one level every 30 minutes. Once the fire passes level 5, the building is ruined. The fire stops, and has a 12.5% chance of spreading to each adjacent building. A new item, Fire Extinguisher, would be found at Fire Departments, Mall Hardware Stores, and Fort Storehouses. Fire Extinguishers, when used, would have a 30% chance of reducing fire by one level. They are one time use only. Each successful use yields 5 XP. Firefighting (see below) would increase this change to 75%. The fire skill tree (Civilian class) would be: Fire Safety - negates all fire damage. Firefighting - increases fire extinguisher accuracy to 75%. And of course, the firefighting class would now get Firefighting on start.

Discussion (Yet another fire suggestion)

I'm sure building fire is a dupe. I'll see if I can find it... --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 02:56, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Yep, it's a dupe. Almost as old as the game itself. ~ 05:17, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Why thank you Vapor. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 06:04, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. I'm trying to improve the concept by making a better version of Fire. ----Anarchomutualist _says: ^{The state is war, ⓐnarchy is order.} 00:14, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

How do the levels grow? 02:57, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Meant to add that. ----Anarchomutualist _says: ^{The state is war, ⓐnarchy is order.} 00:14, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Does fighting fire grant XP? Fireman class already starts with axe profeciency. Don't take it away. How many uses does a fire extinguisher Have? Nail down the details and don't be too suprised if it is a dupe. I know for sure it has come up in DS before though it didn't leave it. I like the idea of burning buildings but this suggestion needs work. ~ 03:22, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Working on it. ----Anarchomutualist _says: ^{The state is war, ⓐnarchy is order.} 00:14, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

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Bank Vault

Timestamp: BlackAttack 19:21, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Type: New Building(subset)

Scope: survivors

Description: Fallout Inspiration! So banks are kinda of a dull building, so I think that once you enter a bank, you have the option to enter the bank vault. The vault, when sealed(takes one AP to open and close) will be extremely heavily barricaded. You cannot free run into or out of a vault. Zeds and other can either destroy(temporally) the vault door to open it, or they know the Vault lock combination(Can be changed with a vault encoder). This vault won't have any items, just a place for a group(they can share the vault combo amongst themselves) to rest or for other survivors to rest easy for the night, unless a whole group of zeds are "knocking" on the vault door.

Discussion (Bank Vault)

Another EHB layer would make survivors nearly invincible against zombies, and it would especially make PKers/BHers virtually impossible to kill without a large zombie posse. If you want bonus protection, sleep in a death trap fort building (which already follows a similar principle, but isn't nearly as untouchable as the bank vault you'd suggest). -- Spiderzed▋ 19:27, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to agree with Spiderzed here. I still wish that bank vaults were good for something... ----Anarchomutualist _says: ^{The state is war, ⓐnarchy is order.} 23:22, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

As one of the few Dark building location types, Banks are very useful and not as dull as you suggest. In fact, I like to think of the vaults as the reason why the banks are dark. As Spidey, too overpowered. ~ 07:32, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

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