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:True, If/when Kevan makes an app for it or something all the display bugs would be fixed. I was just bringing it to your attention if you/kevan didn't know.{{User:Mazu/sig}}  12:13, 4 May 2011 (BST)
:True, If/when Kevan makes an app for it or something all the display bugs would be fixed. I was just bringing it to your attention if you/kevan didn't know.{{User:Mazu/sig}}  12:13, 4 May 2011 (BST)
::You could just use [http://www.opera.com/mobile/ Opera Mini]mobile web browser.  It does some of the processing server side and compresses the data before sending it to your phone (faster loading and less data plan use.)--{{User:Gardenator/sig}} 13:29, 4 May 2011 (BST)
::You could just use [http://www.opera.com/mobile/ Opera Mini]mobile web browser.  It does some of the processing server side and compresses the data before sending it to your phone (faster loading and less data plan use.)--{{User:Gardenator/sig}} 13:29, 4 May 2011 (BST)
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===Lighter/ Molotov cocktail===
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|'''Timestamp:''' --[[User:Peter Mason|Peter Mason]] 21:49, 1 May 2011 (BST)
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|'''Type:''' New Weapon
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|'''Scope:''' survivor
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|'''Description:''' Okay, there should be a new item. There should be a lighter that you can use to set a gasoline soaked zombie on fire. It should have a base accuracy of 10% and not be able to be raised. Then you should also be able to use the lighter to make a molotov cocktail out of the wine and beer. It should have a base accuracy of 10% and be able to be raised to 25% with hand to hand combat. It should do (3)? damage to all zombies in the square. It could also do "damage" to the building that could be fixed maybe by construction or you migh just have to fix it like a bloodstain. If you miss with the cocktail you lose the bottle. I know this has been suggested as a light source but it wouldn't be used for that.--[[User:Peter Mason|Peter Mason]] 21:34, 1 May 2011 (BST)
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====Discussion (Lighter/ Molotov cocktail)====
-fixed the formatting for you there. You can already set zombies on fire using a flaregun/ oil can combo, have you tried that? Also, my pee burns hotter than wine or beer. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 16:20, 2 May 2011 (BST)
:You should get that checked out, Karl. I've been there, and it's bad news. As for the suggestion, I think the base accuracy should be 100%. 150% if the zombie is a member of The Dead. --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 18:37, 2 May 2011 (BST)
Area attacks with no set limit are a very bad idea as anyone who has seen a big seige can probably imagine. Even with limits such suggestions are very unpopular.... --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 22:43, 2 May 2011 (BST)
Wine and beer are not inflammable. If you doubt me, try it. {{tongue}} A [[wikipedia:Molotov cocktail|Molotov cocktail]] consists of petrol in a bottle with a rag for a wick. That aside, area affect attacks have been suggested previously and never implemented. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 23:04, 2 May 2011 (BST)
:You should actually use petrol (gas) mixed with liquid detergent for a better sticky formula (there are many variations) and tampons can work better than a rag. --{{User:Gardenator/sig}} 13:34, 4 May 2011 (BST)
::The More You Know!™ {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 16:45, 4 May 2011 (BST)
[[File:Raise.gif]] Lighters are on the [[Frequently_Suggested#The_List|Frequently Suggested List]] and Molotov cocktails [[Suggestions/21st-Jul-2006#Molotov_Cocktail_V.2.0|have]] [[Talk:Suggestions/archive2#Civilian_Skill_Tree|been]] [[Suggestions/22nd-Dec-2005#Yet_Another_Molotov_Cocktail|suggested]] [[Suggestions/January2006#Suggestions.2F21st-Jan-2006|many]], [[Suggestions/12th-Jul-2006#Molotov_Cocktail|many]], [[Suggestions/RejectedDecember2005#Responsible_Drinking_skill_tree_V.2|many]], [[Suggestion:20070718_Molotov_Cocktails|many]] [[Suggestion:20081002_MOLOTOV_COCKTAILS|times]] [[Suggestion:20081106_Projectiles|before]] (and should also be on the [[Frequently_Suggested#The_List|Frequently Suggested List]]). Molotov cocktails were already [[PR_Weapon#Molotov_Cocktails|accepted through peer review (suggestions)]] back [[Suggestions/11th-Nov-2005#Practical_Chemistry|in November of 2005]]. They haven't been added to the game for over five years, and will likely never be added to the game. Currently, the combination of attacking a target with a [[Useful_Items#Fuel_Can|Fuel Can]] douses the victim with gasoline, and then the victim can be set on fire with a [[Useful_Items#Flare_Gun|Flare Gun]]. {{User:Akule/sig}} 21:05, 3 May 2011
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Please put suggestion for suggestion here

Balance Idea I've got.

No name for it yet, but it might help balance the number of survivors-zombies.

Timestamp: Danny Williams 16:40, 14 May 2011 (EST)
Type:Balance
Scope: Every character on UD.
Description: As of writing the  % of standing surviors is 14% against The Dead's 'deal with it' attempt to break the game. I was thinking off possible ways to deal with these supergroups that are just trying to ruin the game for other people in a fair and balanced way. This is what I've come up with. Every character will get a +1 max HP for every 1% their race is down (this would only include standing characters). However if one race has a higher% they receive no bonus or handicap. EG zombies out number survivors 55%-45% so a new level one Zombie would have a max health of 55 HP instead of 50. Over the next few days the balance is changed with standing zombies equalling 60% of total standing chars, so all zombies would lose their max HP bonus, and survivors would get a plus 10 bonus. As of writing surviors would get a massive 36 extra max HP, but as the game begins to balance again that advantage would fade untill an even 50/50 split is restored.

I have no idea about you would explain this change in story terms, but this litrally came to my head about 10 mins ago and I really wanted some feedback before making it more specific.

Discussion

Terrible idea. Have you not searched any buildings? If you haven't then try it and you'll see balancing measures in place. Besides this is a zombie game and survivors shouldn't be winning it.       20:09, 14 May 2011 (BST)

How would this ever be beneficial for zombies? --Karekmaps 2.0?! 20:13, 14 May 2011 (BST)

To Mazu, I've heard nothing before of increased search rates (I'll asumme that's what your getting at, I'd appreciate any material you can give me to read on this. 1. If it's a zombie game why can we play as survivors? Surely if the game was made solely for zombies there'd be no point playing as a survivor? 2. Where have I said survivors should be winning this game? Personally I believe that nether side should have a clear advantage against the other, a sort of yingyang to suit every player. To Karek, it's not beneficial to ether side, although as far as I know, throughout most of UDs history survivors have had the larger % of active players, so you could argue that this boosts zombies more then survivors. Danny Williams 21:50 14 may 2011 (EST)

Syringes ignore HP, claws don't. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 01:23, 15 May 2011 (BST)
Yes, this is just a simple built-in balancing mechanic, triggered by the overall state of the game - at the other end of the scale, search rates drop when survivors greatly outnumber the undead. If you want a thematic reason for it, the pickings are richer for an individual survivor when there are fewer of them around to do the looting, and when the suburbs are getting too comfortably repopulated by the living, it's harder for them to find something that's been overlooked by everyone else.

Kevan, via email

ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 23:52, 14 May 2011 (BST)


Prognosis

Timestamp: Cyrus Hanley 15:40, 14 May 2011 (BST)
Type: Survivor Skill
Scope: Survivors
Description: A sub-skill of Diagnosis. Survivors with the Prognosis skill will be able to distinguish infected survivors from uninfected survivors, much like zombies with the Scent Blood skill.

Discussion (Prognosis)

Only if Prognosis has a button with a drop-down menu listing every Survivor in a building with you, and it costs 1 AP to check one of them.--

| T | BALLS! | 15:43 14 May 2011(UTC)

Why? Cyrus Hanley 15:45, 14 May 2011 (BST)
Massive dupe, even with the exactly same name and already one that was kept at 28 of 29 votes back in the days before the current suggestion system. Another item-based infection detection suggestion has been rejected, while skill-based infection detection still crops up every now and then. --Oh, and vote on Project Funny, by the way. -- Spiderzed 15:55, 14 May 2011 (BST)
YNTGOM.-- | T | BALLS! | 16:01 14 May 2011(UTC)
? Cyrus Hanley 16:05, 14 May 2011 (BST)
What we tell you here is that precisely this suggestion already exists (a "dupe" as we call it, short for "duplicate"). If you would enter your suggestion, it would be removed, since it has already been suggested and has already been under community vote. --Oh, and vote on Project Funny, by the way. -- Spiderzed 02:01, 15 May 2011 (BST)
I knew that, what I didn't know was what "YNTGOM" means. Cyrus Hanley 04:09, 15 May 2011 (BST)

Pistol ammo improvement

Ammo Selection

Timestamp: Bental 04:49, 8 May 2011 (BST)
Type: Improvement
Scope: Survivors
Description: How many times have you, as a survivor, gone to blast away at a zombie, finished, and realized that when you want to reload, but for fear of wasting bullets, you can't because all of your pistols are half empty/full.

Is there a way Urban Dead could automatically select the Pistol with the lowest ammo to use first? This wouldn't really give the survivors an advantage, but it would certainly make things easier as far as ammo conservation goes. It wouldn't matter for a shotgun, obviously as they only reload one shell at a time anyway.

Discussion (Ammo Selection)

That's how it works already.--

| T | BALLS! | 04:56 8 May 2011(UTC)

Is it? I always thought it worked from the 1st pistol in your inventory and didn't matter how much ammo was in each. --Honestmistake 11:35, 8 May 2011 (BST)
Yeah it is. I can't remember, but I think it always has been, although it could have been an update.--Yonnua Koponen T G P ^^^ 11:38, 8 May 2011 (BST)
Well it has been a while since i was in the land of the mouth breathers :) --Honestmistake 11:40, 8 May 2011 (BST)
Ever since I've played UD, it has been that way. And before someone asks about that, it's the same with shotguns - it picks first those that have one shell in it before it wanders to completely empty shotguns. -- Spiderzed 14:40, 8 May 2011 (BST)
I'm pretty sure that is NOT how it works. I can remember many times re-loading a pistol and shooting it, only to end up with pistols holding 5 bullets and 1 bullet, rather than 6 and 0. SIM Core Map.png Swiers 14:49, 8 May 2011 (BST)
For _shooting_, it picks indeed first the first gun in your inventory regardless of ammo level. The suggester asked about _reloading_, which works the way described above. -- Spiderzed 14:56, 8 May 2011 (BST)

Combinable Items

Timestamp: 18:02, 4 May 2011 (GMT)
Type: New Skill
Scope: Survivors
Description: Survivors with this skill being a civilian skill will be able in a powerded building probley a factory as it makes most sense to be there should be able to combine items i would love to see if they added cloths and lighters to be able to put the 2 together and make a molotov coctail , the survivors are outnumbered and need to have ways of making things that can help them more. I just think it would be awesome to combine items i see other people post stuff about molotov cocktails but it could be any item really, what do you lot think.

Discussion (Combinable Items)

I like how the above author did not even bother to read about a page farther down and see an almost identical suggestion. --Emot-siren.gif LABIA on the INTERNET Emot-siren.gif Dunell Hills Corpseman The Malton Globetrotters#24 - You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| TMG 12:06, 6 May 2011 (BST)

to answer this it was just a random idea of 1 combinable item there could be many —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Karog (talkcontribs) at an unknown time.
Some suggestions like this were suggested (see Survivor Ingenuity) in various ways. One thing to look at is the Suggestions Dos and Do Nots, for guidelines. As for this suggestion, it falls under the second bullet point here. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 22:31, 10 May 2011 (BST)

More Talking

Timestamp: SIM Core Map.png Swiers 16:56, 4 May 2011 (BST)
Type: improvement
Scope: everybody
Description: instead of a flat 1 AP cost to say something, talking would only consume an AP a certain percentage of the time (say, 25%), randomly determined each time you talked. This would encourage role play use of talking, while still discouraging people from talking much in tense tactical situations, since they can't be sure it won't consume AP they need for other things.

Discussion (More Talking)

Makes sense because in relaxed situations, you realistically are more free to talk. SIM Core Map.png Swiers 16:57, 4 May 2011 (BST)

I like reducing the cost of speaking, while still attaching a cost to it to prevent flooding. What about gestureing or broadcasting? And what about spraypainting or defiling graffiti? -- Spiderzed 18:10, 4 May 2011 (BST)
The other modes all reach more people or persist longer than speech and, IMO, would defy the point of this suggestion. It should definitely cover both zambah- an harman-gab, though. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 04:36, 5 May 2011 (BST)
Abzaragrah - zambah zbaagh !z zbaagh! SIM Core Map.png Swiers 04:25, 6 May 2011 (BST)
So, speaking (both zombie and survivor) and gestureing would be what is affected by that? Me like. Particularly since I see the issues with cheaper graffiti/defiling/broadcasting Rev mentions. -- Spiderzed 13:11, 6 May 2011 (BST)
I hadn't considered gesturing, but yeah, why not- its basically a form of speech. IMO survivors should be able to gesture too- probably the only reason they can't is it would be largely redundant with (non-zambargh) speech. SIM Core Map.png Swiers 19:47, 6 May 2011 (BST)

I all for more talking. You could do something such if there's a zombie present inside the building or in the square with you that forces it to take 1 ap per speech but I'd hate to over complicate the simplicity..       03:00, 5 May 2011 (BST)

Yeah, by keeping it to a simple random number you avoid introducing a new database call (which would be needed to detect the presence of a zombie in the location with the speaker). I'm guessing grabbing a random number is faster and easier to code, although I suppose speech processing already requires checking if the speaker is alive, prone, or walking dead. SIM Core Map.png Swiers 19:47, 6 May 2011 (BST)
I reckon it could be done without an extra database call: it'll already have to check to see if there are any zombies when it loads the page so it can just check the variable whenever someone talks.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 22:39, 6 May 2011 (BST)
Don't discriminate zombies. There are few enough survivors to talk to zombies as it is. Even if it just trenchie trash talk like "SUCK MAH SHOTGUN FUCKING ZED", it is more fun to hear than 20 "RandomTrenchie117 shot you with a pistol for 4 damage... and again... and again..." messages. -- Spiderzed 23:06, 6 May 2011 (BST)
I'm not: I thought the point up for debate was the practicality of making it only cost AP to talk when zombies are around and was saying that it wouldn't cause any additional server load. Am I misunderstanding?--The General T Sys U! P! F! 23:17, 6 May 2011 (BST)
December 21, 2005: With nearly a thousand in attendance, Whetcombe is so crowded that it is hard to do anything. Stanstock organizers ask participants to spread out to soundstages and refreshment stands in adjoining streets. To reduce server load, Kevan limits conversation broadcasts to the fifty nearest.

Stanstock

I'm wondering if the fact that speech was already limited for server load purposes gives this suggestion really any chance of a future. Speaking is good but seems unlikely.--Karekmaps 2.0?! 20:03, 6 May 2011 (BST)

Of course, that was end of 2005 in the heyday of UD. With today's player numbers and the overproportionally growing server load for speech actions (the more people there are in the same place, the more people load the speaker speech), things might be different. -- Spiderzed 20:35, 6 May 2011 (BST)
You'd think thered be a way to streamline speech and make it have nearly no server load.. Make it so to have free speech you gata be with less than 20 people under the guise of having to "yell" over everyone if there's too many people around :P       02:35, 7 May 2011 (BST)
Not entirely. The way it works is that: Every time someone loads a page the game will query the database to retrieve any speech that's happened at your location since last time you logged in, obviously with larger queries causing more server load. This happens every time someone takes an action so the load is effectively multiplied by the number of people active. So, if there are 1000s of people active in a location and they're all using their AP to talk then the server is having to make thousands of large database queries to retrieve text and likely also having to make thousands of queries to store new speech in the database (possibly 1000s of queries per line of speech).
The only way to solve it is to limit the number of queries that can be made by (as Kevan did) by methods such as limit the amount of characters who the message is sent to (thus limiting queries). So, yeah, limiting 0AP speech based on the number of people present would be a reasonable solution.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 10:26, 7 May 2011 (BST)
You know though, all that aside I'd still vote for this. There are certainly ways Kevan can limit it but, ultimately that's up to him. Speech shouldn't be a trade off with useful actions like attacking, it should definitely be easier. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 02:10, 15 May 2011 (BST)
So would I, actually. Votes are supposed to be based on the merits of the suggestion and not on potential server load (because only Kevan is really in a position to make a judgement on that), and I like the suggestion.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 11:59, 15 May 2011 (BST)
Then lets get her put up for vote with some of the modifications proposed :P       13:27, 15 May 2011 (BST)

Urban Dead Mobile Friendly

Timestamp: Redguy 21:29, 3 May 2011 (BST)
Type: Improvement
Scope: Game Interface
Description: I made a prototype of a mobile html/css/js for the game. You can test it out here: Urban Dead Mobile. Use your smartphone browser or make the desktop browser window smaller on the x-axis to see the mobile version. This is just an idea and should be fairly easy for Kevan to implement if everybody likes ;)

Discussion (Urban Dead Mobile Friendly)

Wooo. Make it so! ~Vsig.png Amurica. Fuck. Yeah 22:00, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
noice -- Boobs.sh.siggie.gif   bitch  22:31, 3 May 2011 (utc)
I like it. Although my phone (Iphone 3G) doesn't display ruins/lit buildings or the full building name correctly. If I remember right, I'd test it but all my accounts are Ap'd and my phones browser has frozen up.. Just something to make sure works in case you had a droid or other smart phone.       03:19, 4 May 2011 (BST)
@Mazu: If you check out the game at urbandead.com on your iPhone you should get the same display bugs as in my prototype. I did not change the click behavior of the map or it's look in the css. Kevan uses input buttons to display buildings, I thought about changing the buttons to link elements that submit the form but I think that is something for Kevan to decide (I changed as little as possible). You should also consider that if this get's through the suggestions, Kevan is the person to make the final fixes and push it into development ;) --Redguy 11:16, 4 May 2011 (BST)

True, If/when Kevan makes an app for it or something all the display bugs would be fixed. I was just bringing it to your attention if you/kevan didn't know.       12:13, 4 May 2011 (BST)
You could just use Opera Minimobile web browser. It does some of the processing server side and compresses the data before sending it to your phone (faster loading and less data plan use.)--Emot-siren.gif LABIA on the INTERNET Emot-siren.gif Dunell Hills Corpseman The Malton Globetrotters#24 - You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| TMG 13:29, 4 May 2011 (BST)

Suggestions up for voting

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