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#'''Kill''' - I don't see the need for change... {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 02:55, 31 August 2008 (BST)
#'''Kill''' - I don't see the need for change... {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 02:55, 31 August 2008 (BST)
#'''Kill''' Sorry. I want Body Building. {{User:Secruss/Sig}}04:18, 31 August 2008 (BST)
#'''Kill''' Sorry. I want Body Building. {{User:Secruss/Sig}}04:18, 31 August 2008 (BST)
#'''Kill''' Nope.. Don't like it--{{:User:Airborne88/sig}} 18:28, 31 August 2008 (BST)
'''Spam/Dupe Votes'''
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#'''Kill''' I like the IDEA of it but...I just dont see it working with the current system. [[User:Matthew Armada|Matthew Armada]] 07:29, 31 August 2008 (BST)
#'''Kill''' I like the IDEA of it but...I just dont see it working with the current system. [[User:Matthew Armada|Matthew Armada]] 07:29, 31 August 2008 (BST)

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20080830 Lithe

Funt Solo QT Scotland flag.JPG 22:00, 30 August 2008 (BST)

Suggestion type
New Survivor skill (Civilian).

Suggestion scope
Crossover skill: affects both survivor and zombie aspect.

Suggestion description
Lithe: easily bent or flexed; characterized by easy flexibility and grace; athletically slim.

  • Taking this skill reduces a character's HP by 10.
    • For a survivor with Free Running, this allows entry from the street into Heavily Barricaded (or less) buildings.
      • (The combination of Free Running ability, coupled with smaller size and increased flexibility, allows them to find openings others cannot.)
    • For a zombie with Memories of Life and Lurching Gait, this allows entry into Loosely Barricaded buildings.
      • (Knowing more about their surroundings, and being more agile generally, these smaller, more flexible zombies can sneak through gaps that others cannot.)

  • Whilst a crossover skill, this may only be bought when in the survivor aspect of play (as with Body Building, currently).
  • A player may take either Body Building or Lithe, but not both.
    • If a player already has Body Building prior to this skill being implemented, they get a one-off chance to swap it for Lithe, the next time they log in as a survivor. This swap would cost 0XP.

  • This means that any given player will either have 40 (Lithe), 50 (neither skill) or 60 (Body Building) maximum HP.

  • (For the best game-play experience, a player should not be able to purchase this skill until they have Free Running as a prerequisite, despite that being a Military Skill.)

Voting Section

Voting Rules
Votes must be numbered, justified, signed, and timestamped.
# justification ~~~~

Votes that do not conform to the above may be struck by any user.

The only valid votes are Keep, Kill, Spam or Dupe. If you wish to abstain from voting, do not vote.

Keep Votes

  1. Auteur --Funt Solo QT Scotland flag.JPG 22:01, 30 August 2008 (BST)
  2. Keep - Nicely thought out and balances out quite nicely. -- Cheese 22:04, 30 August 2008 (BST)
  3. KeepBecause its easier to buy a skill than having to cover yourself in baby oil. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 22:09, 30 August 2008 (BST)
  4. Keep - An interesting yet balanced idea. Keep vote from me. --ZiPbeep boopMH+LUE 22:10, 30 August 2008 (BST)
  5. Keep - I'll give you a keep, But I can't see this being of too much use.. I mean, It could be, But it getting implemented and used..? Then again, It is an option. 22:44, 30 August 2008 (BST)

Kill Votes

  1. Kill - I can't see a survivor taking this skill and no career zombies would even consider taking a 20 point hit just to enter a loosely barricaded building when it only takes a claw.--Janine 22:17, 30 August 2008 (BST)
  2. Kill - Basically as Janine. The only benefit for a zombie would be if the zombie were a babah. But once you have MoL, there's no point at all -- in fact buying it hurts you. And as a survivor, again, there is little point in reducing my HP to 40 -- making me need more faks and more revives, more often -- just to be able to get inside a building that I can take a Fire Axe to, if need be. I mean, the only possible benefit is for newbies -- for cute, wee widdle babah zambahz unable to open doors, and low level harmanz stuck outside due to Fiddler's Green Syndrome... But as a new skill, it ends up not helping them out at all. Meh. --WanYao 22:56, 30 August 2008 (BST) Oh... and this kinda stuff, gentle sir, is why we encourage people to take their ideas to Talk:Suggestions before posting them for voting... --WanYao 22:58, 30 August 2008 (BST)
    Re - to be honest, I think the speed and balance of the feedback here is far more useful than that on Talk:Suggestions. Having tried both systems (in my long tenure as a contributor to this wiki) I prefer my chosen approach to your suggested approach. --Funt Solo QT Scotland flag.JPG 02:04, 31 August 2008 (BST)
    Well, that's why there is some talk afoot amongst the "plebs" of the wiki about a possible policy change to both this and Talk:Suggestions... Because, I agree... the system is pretty fucking broken. --WanYao 06:03, 31 August 2008 (BST)
  3. Weak kill - If it was you had one chance to swap next time you get to the survivor purchase screen then you'd get the keep from me. --Lt.G Deathnut | TheStayPuftMan 23:03, 30 August 2008 (BST)
  4. Kill - The fact that you could, for the same price, get Body Building makes the drop in practice 20 HP. A 20 HP drop just to enter HB buildings? No thank you. It'd be quite useless as most buildings are either at VSB or EHB, and I doubt that would change much because of this. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 23:20, 30 August 2008 (BST)
  5. Kill - The restriction of one skill by having another is kinda against part of kevans set up of having all skills available for everyone. And it isn't helpful, as wan yao, with the stats as they are. - tylerisfat 00:26, 31 August 2008 (BST)
  6. Kill - This is a bad idea and in many ways a nerf to newbies. If the little ones can't get through the barricades and the big ones don't need to destroy the barricades anymore you're just encouraging making the environment harder on the little ones. Same goes for what this will do to the average level of enter-able buildings. Nothing good comes from encouraging more discrimination against the un-leveled, just look at how difficult it already is for them without Free Running.--Karekmaps?! 01:20, 31 August 2008 (BST)
  7. Weak Kill: I don't like skills I can't buy and, please don't mess with barricades. Linkthewindow 02:16, 31 August 2008 (BST)
  8. Kill - Current system in place is fine.  Billy Club Thorton  T!  RR  02:30, 31 August 2008 (BST)
  9. Kill - I don't see the need for change... DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 02:55, 31 August 2008 (BST)
  10. Kill Sorry. I want Body Building. --Secruss|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA|800px-Flag of the United States.svg.png|EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ|Evil3.gif|MU|GN|C2008|Chippy.gif|04:18, 31 August 2008 (BST)
  11. Kill Nope.. Don't like it--Airborne88Zzz1.JPGT|Z.Quiz|PSS 18:28, 31 August 2008 (BST)

Spam/Dupe Votes

  1. Kill I like the IDEA of it but...I just dont see it working with the current system. Matthew Armada 07:29, 31 August 2008 (BST)

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  • Kill, for Suggestions that you believe do not have merit. If you need to discuss a rule fix, use the discussion page.
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Suggestions can be removed with Spam votes as described on the cycling suggestions page. If the criterion described there are not fulfilled, the suggestion must remain for the whole two weeks.
Spam votes are not a "strong kill", they are simply here to prevent the utterly ridiculous from clogging up the system. If you do not like the idea, and it's not some crazy uber power or something else ridiculous, VOTE KILL, NOT SPAM. Spam votes will be counted as Kill when votes are tallied.
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  • Humourous, for suggestions that are obviously intended to be satirical, or of comedic value only.}}
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Invalid Votes
  • Server Load and Programming Complexity are NOT very good Kill reasons. You are voting on the merit of the suggestion and whether or not you think it belongs in the game. Server load/complexity issues are up to Kevan to decide.
  • X should be implemented first is not a valid reason for a vote. You are voting on the merit of THIS suggestion, not how it compares to others.
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Keep Votes

  1. Keep - I am the author and I am allowed to vote once on my own suggestions. --MrSuggester 05:01, 11 Nov 2005 (GMT)
  2. Keep - Best. Suggestion. Evar. --Bob_Zombie 04:01, 11 Nov 2005 (GMT)
  3. Keep - Good sugestion. no signature --FakeSuggester 07:39, 15 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Kill Votes

  1. Kill - This is a terrible idea, but you can totally fix it up. --NegativeGal 06:01, 12 Nov 2005 (GMT)
    • Re - Please be more specific about how to fix it on the discussion page. --MrSuggester 14:01, 12 Nov 2005 (GMT)
      • Re - Sure, I have detailed my proposed fixes here. --NegativeGal 23:38, 12 Nov 2005 (GMT)
  2. Kill - You will eat my poopie and love it! --PooEater 11:12, 13 Nov 2005 (GMT)
    • Note - Inane vote removed. Defend in discussion. --DaModerator 11:13, 13 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Spam/Dupe Votes

  1. Spam - Kung Fu CB Mama on Wheels is an inappropriate Survivor Class. --NoFunAtAll 09:01, 12 Nov 2005 (GMT)
  2. Dupe - Duplicate Suggestion --AnotherSuggester 05:01, 14 Nov 2005 (GMT)
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