Suggestion:20081027 Hello! Can you hear me?

20081027 Hello! Can you hear me?

Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 12:56, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion type
Minor RP tweak.

Suggestion scope
Survivors and Zombies in the game Urban Dead.

Suggestion description
Quite simply, you can always use the speak button. This applies to both the living and the dead. Im sure many zombies in a ruined mall would love to praise barhah.

Not only good for RP, but also removes one of those situations where buttons change places on you.

For example. Whilst explaining this on Developing Suggestions I unidled a character to prove my point. http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/10-19-08_2300hrs_PUBLIC/OUT_99-75_talky_2c2-f43-5d2.html Unfortunately he happened to be in Penny Heights just as the MOB hit. I had some choice words to say, but sadly could not express them.

Voting Section

Voting Rules

Votes must be numbered, justified, signed, and timestamped. # justification ~~~~ Votes that do not conform to the above may be struck by any user.

The only valid votes are Keep, Kill, Spam or Dupe. If you wish to abstain from voting, do not vote.

Keep Votes

1. Keep I am the author and I enjoy talking to myself. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 12:59, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

   Keep - I'm voting keep, this means you should all vote keep. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 13:15, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

   Since Midianian wants a nice justification for this, here's one: I'm voting keep because the lemon is a citrus fruit. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 14:22, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

   Note - Inane vote removed. Please vote on the merits of the suggestion. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 00:15, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

   {{s}} strikeout changed to <s> strikeout. --Midianian^|T|DS|C:RCS| 11:10, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

2. Keep - Voting keep for RP reasons and because it fixes a (minor) bouncing button problem. Linkthewindow ^Talk 21:02, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
3. Keep - I have tried doing this more than once. Would love to see it implemented. --Haliman - Talk 22:49, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
4. So, Why can't I whisper to myself, Or perhaps 'talk' to myself without speaking, Just moving my lips. Or talk to myself in my head. I find it unlikely this would have such an impact on UrbanDead. Actually, clarify the suggestion, I am a bit confused. 'Waste' AP, why would it cost an AP and not just an IP Hit? Though, Can only you hear you? _■^■ 00:15, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
5. Keep - Make the explanation something like "Survivors and zombies, being driven with rage, have started calling out, even when nobody is around." • LtZurSee slapped your nose with a newspaper for a heal from CORAM (0 seconds ago) 06:51, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
6. Keep - But as because whenever you talk in the new town, it enters you in the competition (as far as I understand, it being up for 2 hours), Kevan will probably only introduce this after the comp is done. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 10:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
7. Keep - My PKers enjoy taunting their victims, and a lot of times they're denied that. Just as long as we don't have the bodies on the ground talking, this is good stuff. --Howard Bentley 23:56, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
8. Keep - As above. --Private Mark 00:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
9. Keep - As the opposite of J3D and Pesatyel (Dead can't hear) and as the opposite of Midianian, Honestmistake, A Helpful Little Gnome and Sanpedro ("Because I don't want to, you can't" is not a valid argument). -- Galaxy125 02:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
10. Keep - It's a decent idea roleplay wise. I can't see it increasing server load if it still costs an AP and an IP hit. Legion8 05:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
11. Keep - Talking to yourself is a sign of insanity, y'know. Not that that's a bad thing, mind you. --Blake Firedancer ^{T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T.} 08:05, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
12. Keep – If not implemented in-game, this could be done pretty easily via Greasemonkey, and can already be done via judicious use of your browser's "Back" button. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 06:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
13. Keep - Makes sense, why the heck not? ----Ash  ^{|  T  |  яя  |} 23:42, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
14. Keep - No reason you shouldnt be able to talk to noone --Tjayh913 14:37, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Kill Votes

1. Kill - While i like the idea of talking to myself, i don't think dead bodies should be able to hear and this creates confusion as to whether or not they can. People will see the speak button and rant at dead bodies thinking they can hear. So if you mean dead bodies can hear, then i think this is a bad idea. And if you mean dead bodies can't hear then that needs to be explained when someone speaks, something like you say "BARHAH HARMANZ!!!" but nobody is around to hear you. --xoxo 00:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
2. I wasn't sure about the point. If you want to wast AP "talking to yourself" go ahead, but why, really would you want to? How does it make the game more fun? I can think of how it can make the game LESS fun. Imagine you get killed and your body is laying there and some asshole comes along and spams you up with garbage. Wow. Fun. I'm not voting spam, only because it would be a good idea to keep the buttons in position. But the rest? I just have to ask: Why?--Pesatyel 02:10, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Spam/Dupe Votes

1. Spam - As dead bodies cannot hear speech (even if the can hear radios and greans), this is an action that doesn't do anything, and isn't even visible to others. That's a waste of code. And bandwidth. --Midianian^|T|DS|C:RCS| 14:16, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
2. spam utterly pointless unless bodies can hear you. if the game changes to let them then i still say no.... you wanna speak to the dead do it before they die or wait till they get up!--Honestmistake 22:45, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
3. Spam - Dead bodies are deaf. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:52, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

   RE Don't mind if I address the above three comments all at the same time? I don't really understand the waste of code/bandwith argument. Surely the code already exists to speak? And indeed speak on your own (Diary room anyone?) How does it waste bandwith? Its just the same usage as speaking in a room with other people? Secondly. This isn't about speaking to the dead. Notice how I removed that before bringing it to voting. Now its much more RP focussed. I can Iwitness myself praying, or laughing over the body of someone ive pk'd or, well other things. Finally as Mid says "They can hear radios and greans". First of all, Im not talking to them! (and theres no Dead Bodiesin urban dead). And anyway again its not about talking to the dead. Notice how I don't mention that anywhere? (Apart from here) --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 16:11, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

4. Spam - Just pretend that you spoke to yourself. Just like I'm going to pretend that I have a roast beef sandwich Sanpedro 01:05, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

---

Voting Rules

Current Suggestions Advice to Suggesters Adding options to your suggestion is not good practice. Others will not vote on the options, only the main body; please don't ask them to do so. Once you have posted your suggestion, it is considered complete. Altering the suggestion mechanics after voting has begun nullifies existing votes, and is considered an abuse of the suggestions system. Doing so will result in your suggestion being removed from the voting system to removed suggestions, where you can work out the details and resubmit later if you desire. It is preferred that you remove your own suggestion and resubmit a new version with changes, if changes are needed. "Notes" added for clarification purposes, and correcting spelling/typos are permitted. When considering adding a clarification note, it is often better for all parties involved, for the author to remove the suggestion and resubmit it with the clarification included for the voters who have already placed their votes. Advice to Voters You are voting on Suggestions, not Users. The text of your vote should not personally attack or denigrate the user who has submitted it... no matter how ridiculous the idea. Flaming and/or Trolling will not be tolerated. Before voting please read the Suggestions Dos and Do Nots and Frequently Suggested Ideas Page to read about concepts that have been generally considered unworkable in the past. You do not need to follow the guidelines on these pages but they are worth consideration before casting a vote. One vote per user. No exceptions. You cannot use multiple wiki accounts to vote on a suggestion. To Vote, use the [edit] button at the top of the voting section, then enter your vote in the the proper format to the end of the relevant section (keep/kill/spam). It is strongly recommended that voters (especially in the kill/spam sections) justify their vote to help others understand the reason they disagree. Feedback helps new suggesters get a feel for what the community does and does not want included in Urban Dead, and a deeper understanding of the balance needed for a workable suggestion. Votes must include a signature in order to be considered valid votes. To sign a vote, use --~~~~. Please remember to sign your votes! Unsigned votes will be deleted after 30 minutes or when found. Each Suggestion will be open to voting for two (2) weeks, measured from the suggestion's Timestamp, unless it is a Dupe or Spam. If, at the end of that time, there are two thirds (2/3) more Keep votes than Kill votes, the Suggestion will be moved to the Peer Reviewed Suggestions page. Otherwise, the Suggestion will be moved to the Peer Rejected Suggestions page.

Rules for Discussions Votes are NOT the place to discuss Suggestions. This page and archived suggestion pages only to be used for the Suggesting and subsequent Voting of these suggestions. If you wish to discuss the suggestion or vote here, please use this page's Talk page (Suggestion talk:20081027 Hello! Can you hear me?). Suggestions do not have to be submitted in order to discuss them. Developing Suggestions can be used to workshop possible suggestions before they are submitted.

Valid Votes Keep, for Suggestions that you believe have merit. Kill, for Suggestions that you believe do not have merit. If you need to discuss a rule fix, use the discussion page. Spam, for the most ridiculous suggestions. Suggestions can be removed with Spam votes as described on the cycling suggestions page. If the criterion described there are not fulfilled, the suggestion must remain for the whole two weeks. Spam votes are not a "strong kill", they are simply here to prevent the utterly ridiculous from clogging up the system. If you do not like the idea, and it's not some crazy uber power or something else ridiculous, VOTE KILL, NOT SPAM. Spam votes will be counted as Kill when votes are tallied. Dupe, for Suggestions that are exact or very close duplicates of previous suggestions. For a Dupe vote to be valid, a link must be provided to the original suggestion. Dupe votes can be used to remove suggestions as described on the cycling suggestions page. Dupe votes will not be counted when votes are tallied. Humourous, for suggestions that are obviously intended to be satirical, or of comedic value only.}} Suggestions can be removed with Humourous votes as described on the cycling suggestions page. If the criterion described there are not fulfilled, the suggestion must remain for the whole two weeks.

Invalid Votes Server Load and Programming Complexity are NOT very good Kill reasons. You are voting on the merit of the suggestion and whether or not you think it belongs in the game. Server load/complexity issues are up to Kevan to decide. X should be implemented first is not a valid reason for a vote. You are voting on the merit of THIS suggestion, not how it compares to others. Votes that do not have reasoning behind them are invalid. You MUST justify your vote.

Comments Re may be used to comment on a vote. Only the original author and the person being REd can comment. Comments are restricted to a single comment per vote, and it is expected that Re comments be as short as possible. Reing every kill vote is considered abuse of the Re comment. A Re does not count as a vote, and any subsequent discussion not part of the Re comment should be held on the discussion page if there is any extended commenting. Note is used by System Operators to invalidate trolling-based votes. Only Sysops may remove troll-based votes and they do so with a strikeout <s></s> in order to preserve the trolling removal for posterity. The voter may contest the strikeout with the Sysop that struck their vote out on the discussion page. Only a System Operator may remove a strikeout.

All Caps Try to avoid YELLING, writing in bold, or using italics, except when emphasizing a point which has escaped other voters.

VOTING EXAMPLES Keep Votes Keep - I am the author and I am allowed to vote once on my own suggestions. --MrSuggester 05:01, 11 Nov 2005 (GMT) Keep - Best. Suggestion. Evar. --Bob_Zombie 04:01, 11 Nov 2005 (GMT) Keep - Good sugestion. no signature --FakeSuggester 07:39, 15 Nov 2005 (GMT) Kill Votes Kill - This is a terrible idea, but you can totally fix it up. --NegativeGal 06:01, 12 Nov 2005 (GMT) Re - Please be more specific about how to fix it on the discussion page. --MrSuggester 14:01, 12 Nov 2005 (GMT) Re - Sure, I have detailed my proposed fixes here. --NegativeGal 23:38, 12 Nov 2005 (GMT) Kill - You will eat my poopie and love it! --PooEater 11:12, 13 Nov 2005 (GMT) Note - Inane vote removed. Defend in discussion. --DaModerator 11:13, 13 Nov 2005 (GMT) Spam/Dupe Votes Spam - Kung Fu CB Mama on Wheels is an inappropriate Survivor Class. --NoFunAtAll 09:01, 12 Nov 2005 (GMT) Dupe - Duplicate Suggestion --AnotherSuggester 05:01, 14 Nov 2005 (GMT)