Suggestion:20100216 Clearly defined zombie and survivor boundaries

20100216 Clearly defined zombie and survivor boundaries

--Bosqo 19:34, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Suggestion type
Balance

Suggestion scope
Survivors and Zombies

Suggestion description
Currently, when a survivor gets infected he becomes a zombie but he can do as he pleases. This is not true to the genre. A dead survivor can get up and assist his allies or move and continue his plans while expecting to be revived. This discrepancy further blurs the lines between zed and survivor. Turning survivors into zeds does nothing for the zed population, it doesn't grow their ranks or cause chaos to ensue. I suggest that survivors who have recently been turned should be in an uncontrollable state. During this time the player is essentially an NPC who randomly destroys anything within his proximity including attacking and infecting his friends. The player can still be revived. This makes an infected survivor an actual danger to others, it also stays more true to the genre and it would balance things out.

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Keep Votes

1. Keep - Its radical, and I know it probably wont get anywhere but I can't shake the feeling that there is an unbalanced mechanism against zombies and being infected doesn't seem to be as big a deal as it should be. I think its an issue that certainly deserves some attention -Bosqo 24:35, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Kill Votes

1. Kill So... If I died in the middle of Dulston, or Ridleybank, or any of the other dead zones where a revive is about as common as a clear and concise wiki entry, I would wander around aimlessly until I created a new character (or quit entirely) out of shear frustration? No Thanks. Now if there was a nice boon for dual nature play, that I could get behind. -Devorac 21:53, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
2. Kill What happens if I jump out a window dumbass? I wouldn't be infected then would I? This is the most retarded thing I've ever seen. -Poodle of Doom^{M! T} 00:48, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Spam/Dupe Votes

1. Spam - Absolutely ridiculous. A survivor gets killed and they suddenly lose control of their characters until someone else revives them? Talk about a disincentive to ever play the game again. And this doesn't address some in-genre elements where zombies do retain past memories and act on them. —Aichon— 21:17, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
2. Spam - So, zombies are now mindless automatons? Definitely not! --^A_O^R_D^M_O^P_R^I _! ^T 21:23, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
3. Spam - I get infected and turn in to an NPC? Remember your author vote.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 21:24, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
4. Spam Follow the link. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 22:22, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
5. Spam Survivors are alive, zombies are not. You can't really get more differentiated than that without using calculus. Besides, have you ever heard of Dual Nature? --Blake Firedancer ^{T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T.} 22:24, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
6. Spam Yeah, this would destroy every coordinated Horde out there, and this game has no NPCs. --DT^PK 23:24, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
7. Spam Lol, Humerous suggestion? --^TCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 23:26, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
8. Spam - Oh my god. Dumbest thing I've read in months. --
    
    
    
    
   23:48, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
9. Spam - I beg you kind Sir, to not bring such crap here ever again! --Thadeous Oakley 23:58, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
10. Spam - players are not npcs derp --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 02:19, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

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