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Shadowstar. You aren't seeing our forums. Your love slaves in the Wiki aren't seeing our forums. I've lost about 5 seconds sleep about whether you trust us or not.

But since I'm here, despite your pitiful attempts to get your bumchums to block me, let me clarify the 'nazis' thing, since you seem unable to grasp it.

Remember the battle over the Marks Building? Where Brave, Brave Sir Cowboy Up charged into the Valley of Death and got horsewhipped? Then he proclaimed a glorious victory, and the handful of survivors limped home. Then Cowboy Up promoted himself and told everyone how fabulous his victory was - even though he'd been told that it was a disaster waiting to happen. I made a comment which suggested that Cowboy Up's military prowess could easily be compared to Hitler's. I'm sure that if you knew any history at all you'd recognise the style. But you don't - so you didn't. Hence the reason Eva (Braun, Hitler's mistress and wife) and Blondi (Blondi was the name of Hitler's Alsatian dog) were spotted in the game. It was a comedy gag. It only fell flat for you lot because you were on the receiving and - and your gang have the same sense of humour as a ball of wet cloth.

And why did I compare you to Goebbels? What did Goebbels do? He was minister for propaganda. He made stuff up about people and slandered and lied about them. So that's why I compared you to Goebbels. Because every time I corrected your lying BS you edited it back, and then got me banned for 'defacing' the wiki when all I did was fuck up my edit by not realising my text would appear in the body of the wiki because I'm not a Wiki r0x0r ninja - I have a life.

So it was not about being nazis - it was about Cowboy Up's Hitleresque ability to utterly fuck up an attack and then hand out medals and promotions to himself. And you got the Goebbels tag because of your persistent lying to make the CDF look great and the Seagulls bad.

So I watched your forum? Big deal. Fort Creedy had a life of less than a week the moment Cowboy Up got his mitts on it. He couldn't keep his mouth shut about how great he was and his ideas were. And everyone likes to see some cocky bastard get brought down a peg or two.

So I watched. So what? I was one of about thirty zombie spies in there - if you tag your forum location on a building which 300 zombies are going through, you should expect zombie spies to turn up. I gave straight-up advice, handed out scouting information, and healed people. As a member of the CDF, I did far more than most of the freeloaders. If Cowboy Up hadn't spent every 3 days deleting all the posts on your forum, that would be abundantly clear.

Most of the reason I watched your forum was the hilarity of watching Cowboy Up disintegrate, and then posting it to our forum for us all to laugh at. You might not like that, but I found it hilarious. Tough jugs. There was no info on the forum (apart from your membership list) which someone of average IQ couldn't pick up by scouting and reading the UD forum. But it was fun.

I don't care what you think about the way we work. I'm not going to apologise to anyone, least of all some sanctimonious little madam, for being better. You've got no moral high ground. Cowboy Up and the others demolished that when they went back on their 'no spying' policy to spy on our forum.

The bottom line, as you put it, is this: The Shambling Seagulls beat you. They beat you by cunning, by brute force, and by being smarter than you. And that's what really hurts, isn't it? That you were outthought and outfought. That's what all this Wiki stuff is about. Instead of focusing on making sure it doesn't happen again, you're trying to rewrite the caning you received for being crap.

So keep up the Wiki, because there's a good chance that someone might read it and believe it one of these days. Just so long as you've got something to keep you warm at night.


Soddball.


Honey, do you honestly think I control the moderators on the wiki?

Maybe you should stop the ad hominem attacks and defend your actual tactics of spying on other people's board forums. I know why you called me that, I know why you called him that, and I didn't need a history lesson, though I do think you need a lesson in respect. If all the members of the Shambling Seagulls are actually military and ex-military, which I greatly doubt, then they should really be telling you not to use those terms and insult the veterans and the Jews and the civilians and the Gypsies and... you get the picture? Now then, as to our supposed hypocrisy: Cowboy Up came onto your forums, yes, but I believe he also outted himself rather quickly after finding out which ones of you were on our boards.

And by the by, I didn't ask for the apology either, because I knew we wouldn't get one. Shadowstar 17:12, 1 Nov 2005 (GMT)


Soddball, I banned you without any help at all from Shadowstar. I personally don't care about this little feud, but you were clearly violating the rules. --LibrarianBrent 14:37, 2 Nov 2005 (GMT)

-> Dear Mr. Librarian. Firstly, I'm not familiar with the Wiki system and had no idea that my mocking reply in the 'summary' of the thread would appear in the text. Secondly, I was not in violation of Godwin's law as detailed above. If ignorance is a crime, then the CDF would have been locked up weeks ago. Soddball.

Ah, I must have missed the true meaning of your reference, then. It seemed to me like you were comparing the leader of the group to Hitler and his teammates to Nazis. --LibrarianBrent 00:03, 3 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Cowboy Up was outed by his own stupidity. It took 20 mins and 3 posts. Here's the text from the thread:

October 23rd, 08:48AM - Cowboy Up: " What about him/her?

-Edit- Whoa. What is your guys obsession with Cowboy? Every other post or so has his name in it. What the fuck did he do? PK a whole squad of nuns? lmfao."

October 23rd, 09:08AM - Soddball: "Oh look, a spy. Banning on the way."

To paraphrase a fine comedic talent, he's about as convincing a spy as a giraffe in dark glasses trying to get into a polar bears' only golfing club.

You clearly do need a history lesson, because you were claiming we were accusing you of being nazis. Nobody with a grasp of history could have made that assumption if they knew to what we were referring.

All the members of the SS are NOT military/ex-military. That wasn't what was said. I'd say about 60% are military or ex-military. The remainder are military 'grogs'.

You persist in this fantasy that I am 'insulting veterans and jews etc'. Get off the bus to PompousClicheVille. Comparing Cowboy Up's military skill to Hitler isn't insulting anyone - except Cowboy Up.

Oh - and respect is earned. It isn't a right. Try earning some respect instead of expecting it.


In that case, 60% of your group should be saying something.

Hey, wait. Didn't honeybeeman say you weren't part of the Seagulls? And here you are claiming to be one of them. Which is it? And you SPECIFICALLY said that I was being a good Dr.G to CU's H. Stop comparing me (well, all of our group, really) to Nazis and I'll stop complaining about it.

And I wasn't talking about respect toward us, which I can't expect from you. I was talking about respect to the veterans, who have earned it. You obviously don't see that comparing us to Hitler is insulting to people who were in the war... You don't even seem to understand why we think you and your group are insulting, or why we're upset with you having been on our boards spying on us. I don't know how to respond to you when you're being so... generally dismissive about the whole situation.

Ad hominem attacks are the realm of five year olds. At least honeybeeman has a coherant post that doesn't devolve into "I'm smarter than you, so there, nyah nyah!" Try to learn from him. Shadowstar 18:41, 1 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Jaysus, woman, just how slow are you? My zombie character, Strapon Bev, is a member of the Seagulls. My signin here, as Soddball, is not. My human character, Soddball, is not a member of the Seagulls because he is a human. He is out hunting down stupid people in N Malton. My email address (soddball@hotmail.com) I've had for about 7 years. I use the username because it's unique.

Why are you just creating fat strawman after fat strawman, over this nazi business? [b]Nobody has compared your group to nazis[/b]. At least try to take that much away from this conversation. I compared Cowboy Up's military prowess and self-promotion to Hitler's. If I had told everyone that you had a moustache like Stalin's, would you have said I was calling your group communists? No. Get some structure into your thinking.

Honeybeeman is a nice person. He thinks we should give you a chance to prove that you people can act like thinking creatures. Ironically, it's our zombie group which is doing the thinking. Which is odd, because we've been eating CDF brains and there's not much cognition there.


A Seagulls Wannabe adds his Halfpenny

Shadowstar of course you mean well and that is Ok and good for all of us that you are probably the only person who cares about your groups lame wiki. Fact is you CDF brought it on yourself from us by trying to order other people around in the fort then running off and not even sticking around to defend the fort when the attack took place. The absence of the CDF from the fort only made it easier for us to recruit new members thanks to CowboyUps poor leadership and having the strategical skills of a a four year old with a set of toy soldiers. Dont complain about spies when all your group does is cheat and use spies all the time. Your dirty tricks havent gone unnoticed in the UD forums either and thus continue to increase our numbers every time you do. Your attempts at spying are well noted and so are your ips in our forums so dont be surprised to get some bad information. What I am saying is dont mess with the best, nothing can stop the seagulls were on top and always will be and dont you forget it. Some of us know Kevan in real life and that is how we got the ankle grab so we can continue to maintain our superiority over all groups. Dont ever think you can stop us since such attempts would be futile and any effort would be lacklust at best. Keep trying though your actions amuse us and keep us laughing ourselves to sleep everynight while you cry yourselves to sleep as we continue to hunt you and PK you like the dogs you are. 

                                     ! ! ! LONG LIVE THE HORDE ! ! !

~~FlockOGulls~~


CDF wasn't there to defend the fort when you came because your spies, soddball and currycook, had already reported back to the Shambling Seagulls about how we went to Marks. Soddball admits to both spying on our forums and to being a Seagull. We know he and currycook also have intimate dealings with Jamoomba. Give me a break. You people are the same group. Repeating a lie a million times does not make it true. Jamoomba and the Seagulls are not separate. Jamoombhadeen is the PKing arm of the Shambling Seagulls.

Your group can't even be honest on a wiki: why does your group create so many accounts? Why do you need to hide your identities on a wiki? Are you scared to say it under your primary internet aliases? The only one who's managed that so far is Soddball; I'll give him credit for at least being consistant in spying, wiki-ing, and a certain amount of UDing.

Spying? Cheating? Give me a break.

You know Kevan in real life? So let me see you post on his page about how you know him, you liar, and let me see him say, "yeah, I know you."

Maybe if you people approached gaming without the idea that you should lie and cheat your way to the top, we wouldn't be on here right now telling the world about how you and Jamoombhadeen are the same people, operating in the same parts of Malton at the very least during this battle, even if you've stopped doing it now. If you hadn't spied on us, or if you'd declared your other alliances, we'd never have said a word against you. What was my first action on the Undying Scouge forum? Saying "Hi, you know me, I'm part of the CDF so I can't participate in battles involving both from either side." Currycook's? His first action was to create a new UD character.

Oh, and learn to use the four tildes or the buttons at the top of the screen. Shadowstar 15:42, 2 Nov 2005 (GMT)


Soddball-------

This is all very cute. That 'flock o gulls' bloke isn't us. He isn't us because we [i]don't recruit.[/i] Ever. Our group hasn't grown for the last month. Nor will it. Ever. And his grammar is pitiful and his ability to construct sentences is atrocious.

I think somebody else loves you, too.


I admit it doesn't go up to your group's usual standards-- you can usually spell and use correct grammar. Probably the Brains guy who hates Sgt. Whiskey then. In that case, any objections to deleting all of what he said and what I replied, assuming he was a part of your group? Or at least moving it to a different section, if there are objections to that? Shadowstar 23:35, 2 Nov 2005 (GMT) (If he isn't in your group, my group or the US, he really doesn't need to be writing that here.) Shadowstar 23:37, 2 Nov 2005 (GMT)


---Soddball--- Feel free to move it or delete it as you see fit. Since I suspect it will just be reposted if it's deleted, moving it to 'insane ramblings of a Seagulls Wannabe' or some such will make this whole baffling episode much clearer.

El Soddstero.


Will do then. Shadowstar 05:07, 6 Nov 2005 (GMT)

No more responses to Soddball from Shadowstar

To anyone reading this, I've decided to stop responding to Soddball. This is just an excuse for him to insult me, and we really aren't making any kind of progress. He refuses to see my side, and I am not going to listen to his side from anyone within his group, especially when they are simply insulting me instead of trying to come to any kind of mutual accord.

I gave the possibility of third party arbitration, but apparently, all wiki users are my love slaves: everyone reading this, bow down to your ignorant and stupid Nazi Sex Empress! I've been trying to be civil, really I have. I've tried to keep insults on my side to a minimum. I haven't even edited their page. I will continue to respond to other members of this group if they speak to me, and if Soddball ever decides to stop calling me names, I'll respond to him, but this is just ridiculous. I don't have any need to be insulted by a person who infiltrates someone else's group for the express purpose of spying. I will say to everyone who is reading this that I personally think every statement Soddball has made so far has been entirely self-serving and/or derogatory towards both me personally as well as towards CDF as a group.

His insults regarding Naziism are more than enough, but I've actually stood here while he complained of my personal stupidity, while he complained of my super-status on the wiki, while he complained about my lack of a sense of humour, and while he and his minions wreaked havoc on the CDF page. Well, if anyone wishes to believe him, feel free. Shadowstar 19:55, 1 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Yaaaaaawn. Do you have a moustache? CDF Eva 21:16, 1 Nov 2005 (GMT)

I got banned from the Fort Creedy forums, and that made me so sad that I made a macoroni figure of me on a sheet of paper with a tear in my eye. Seriously,though, guys, this is the internet. Stop argueing over such silly things- Master Sniperwulf

Rebuttal to Shadowstar's closemindedness

How tough can it be to believe that more than 1 group can have their non-secure threads on 1 forum portal? There are 5 groups there as well as a number of independents. Shall I claim that you are in-fact a member of the Jamoombhadeen because I saw you posting in the same forum as them? No, I recognise it's not that simple. Once you get to that realization, your blood pressure will drop. You and Cowboy Up had no access to our secure chat and no access to our secure forum.

Bottom line, you got beat, you are making excuses because of it. It is blinding you. Maybe some of the PKing and spying is true. It wasn't us. It wasn't necessary and not as much fun as working straight up. It may have been one of the other 200-400 zombies that were attacking this vocal and visible, juicy target. You must admit that high level members of the CDF were talking trash, and that will make you a target. I am sorry now that you guys even moved into Creedy by the time our endgame was winding around. By your own admission you have not been around long enough to see that the fort has been taken down a couple times by 16 Oct.

honeybeeman


... I do not care one whit about Fort Creedy's defeat. How many times do I have to say that? And you say that I don't read? And when have I posted in a Jamoombhadeen forum? You may put my words there, but that doesn't mean I've ever posted. I don't care if we're a target either. What I care about is the fact that you people work together and infiltrate spies onto other people's closed forums. I know that the Fort's been taken down multiple times. The group hasn't been around, but I have personally. I remember when the thing was in zombie hands when I first came down to it. But I'm not going to make comments on behalf of CDF regarding things that may have happened before we existed. As for the mall, Tynte goes down, Tynte goes up. That's the way of this game.

5 groups there, wholly independant? Please respond to my question about sending a neutral third party into your group board.

Bottom line: you people multi your way to the top and don't want to admit it. Shadowstar 14:58, 1 Nov 2005 (GMT)

The CDF are so pure and would never multi would they?

  1. Amarth Dragonslayer attacked you for 10 damage. (11-02 06:46 GMT)
  2. Amarth Dragonslayer attacked you for 5 damage. (11-02 06:46 GMT)
  3. Amarth Dragonslayer attacked you for 5 damage. (11-02 06:46 GMT)
  4. Amarth Dragonslayer attacked you for 5 damage. (11-02 06:46 GMT)
  5. Amarth Dragonslayer attacked you for 3 damage. (11-02 06:47 GMT)
  6. Die Jamoombahadeen attacked you for 5 damage. (11-02 06:48 GMT)
  7. Die Jamoombahadeen attacked you for 5 damage. (11-02 06:48 GMT)
  8. Die Jamoombahadeen attacked you for 5 damage. (11-02 06:48 GMT)
  9. Die Jamoombahadeen attacked you for 5 damage. (11-02 06:48 GMT)

Oh dear looks like they would - not so pure afterall. CDF Eva 09:58, 2 Nov 2005 (GMT)

An official response to this has been placed on the Creedy Defense Force page. Shadowstar 02:03, 3 Nov 2005 (GMT)


Do you want to talk about Marco's many accounts next? We've told Amarth not to multi-- despite him being hit by several different Marcos over and over again in the same few minutes-- and Die Jamoombahadeen is not a member that he's told us about. If you can't control your membership, you can't expect us to control ours. Shadowstar 11:09, 2 Nov 2005 (GMT)

If you can't control your own group it seems a little rich to be slandering others. Get your own house in order.CDF Eva 11:45, 2 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Hey, I'm only assuming it's Amarth here based on your post. He's not told us about it. What he told us is that he was going to contact rl-friends around the city in hopes of finding people who'd help him. For all I know, he convinced them to use those names. Shadowstar 11:55, 2 Nov 2005 (GMT) Oh, and that's my own private response. When the CDF gets one, I'll put it on our page. Shadowstar 11:57, 2 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Forgot one more thing. This doesn't belong in the October Battle of Fort Creedy: the character you're accusing probably didn't exist during this battle. Your multis did. So take this over to your own page, or create a different controversy page for it. Shadowstar 12:00, 2 Nov 2005 (GMT)


It's our public forums, unsecure. By you, I was referring to reps from CDF. The CDF reps (Cowboy Up and another) posted in the same place we do. If that makes us in cahoots with Jamoomhadeen, by the same arguement, it must make Cowboy Up in cahoots with the Jamoombhadeen as well. I think we can agree that's not the case. Since he's not, then it's not proof that we are as well. All a misunderstanding.

As far as the disparate groups on the public server, I see lots of people post on other public forums and they're not affiliated. Take this wiki, for instance. We post and are in direct conversation but, unless it's all an elaborate ruse, we're not affiliated. As for access to our secure forums, it's a no win for us. We cannot prove a negative. It took us a month to generate all the posts regarding the start of the campaign against the fort, plus all the sidebar converations, it would take much longer for someone without the familiarity we have with each other, to make proper sense of it. I only have access to the secure forums for the Shambling Seagulls. That's not even where our data farm is located. My mates certainly won't allow access to that.

Besides, I think we've gotten to a point where all of the story is out there for the impartial reader to decide. Your points are well taken that there certainly was some people acting rudely and not using the honor system. Recognise that anytime you get that many anonymous people in one place, it's gonna happen. We're pretty small and self policing. I don't know about the details for some of the other groups. The "roster" that Cowboy Up copied from the forums we are on, was an open list of persons visiting, that could post their contacts in-game for convenience sake. So people were there from all the groups and independents present and not a roster of any group nor a list of all that use that forum.

Thank you for letting me get our side of the conversation out here.

honeybeeman

Rebuttal to Shadowstar's misunderstanding

Sigh. You misrepresent my statements. I didn't say published military, I said published. My excuses can't be tiresome, we've never spoken before. We did not use spies. Jamoomba followers is not Seagulls. No Seagulls were in your forums, Jammomba guys were, if anyone. (I'm not going to speak for them. I'm not them.) I know him, don't care, didn't read the post. Do we know these guys? Yup. Are we them, nope.

Didn't I just spend a rather large post to state that we spent a month with Creedy as the goal? Any chance maybe that's why you noticed we were Id'ing your org? I don't see anything about Nazis. You must be confused with some other group. You do recognise that there were more than just us there and you also had some internal problems.

Soddball is Jamoombhadeen. Seagulls, Jamoomhadeen, not same group. Jamoomhadeen, all humans. Seagulls, all zombies. Somebody over there wrankled the Jamoombhadeen, and I suspect, continue to do so. If you note in the wiki for the Seagulls, we kind of mock them. But don't really because we don't want to wrankle them either. Oh, and I didn't say we took down Tynte mall on our own. I said we destroyed the support for the mall. I also stated that we attacked the Mall proper the same time as The Scourge. You need to calm down a little and read a post before you fly off the handle.

I stated who CDF Bob is, he's an obvious refence to Baghdad Bob. Google Baghdad Bob and it becomes alarmingly clear. CDF EVA? I checked the references on your page and it's a human created the same time as the attack on the fort. Obviously, with 0 experience she PK'd noone. As a spy, what good would she do after zombies were inside? This whole misunderstanding would clear up if you would recognise that the two groups are different. Why is that so hard to grasp? This whole thing would clear up.

I do note that you make no comment on my rather exhaustive post on our planning and method. This was designed to show that we really would rather have more fun organizing and executing a rather difficult task. Otherwise, we're just a bunch of guys wandering around whacking people.


The reason it's "so hard to grasp" is that your group spied on us, and there is no way that I can trust a word that any of you say. Your planning sounds very good, and I'm not sure if I believe it-- honestly, most of it sounds like you were using human alts to spy with in order to find the strengths of the so-called leadership--, but whether it's true or not, the actual "Fort Creedy" battle took only a few days (if that, we accepted defeat on the first, but I think there were others fighting still). The rest of it would be "planning" for this battle, or perhaps more accurately, strategy in general. We weren't even a group in early September, so how should I respond to stuff that happened before the group formed?

I do not believe you when you say that the Seagulls and the Jamoombhadeen are not the same group. I simply do not believe any of you. I've seen your boards. I've seen you make fun of me personally. I do not and will not believe you. And I again ask, if you are all so great, why did you use spies? Tell you what: If you and the Seagulls are completely separate, and their tactics are bringing your reputation down, here's a thought: completely separate yourselves from them. Get yourself some new forums and stop talking to them, because whether you like it or not, these are things your "groups" are known for.

You can tell me that you're not the same groups until we're an old granny and grandpa somewhere, and I still will not believe your lies. Maybe if you properly distanced yourselves from them, in a way that everyone could see...

Tell you what. You want me to believe you or any of the other members of your lying, cretinous board? The same people who spied on our board? Who abused multis to kill us? The same ones who anonymously made, and are still making, fun of us? The same snipers who call us Nazis, and who've been doing it since the beginning of the Battle of Fort Creedy when we told their multis not to overbarricade? No way. Find yourselves a third party that I will trust (members of the wiki would be good) with some free time and give them complete access to your boards-- admin access so that they can hopefully see that you haven't just erased a bunch of threads. Let them look at all the stuff you're talking about. Then, they can come back and tell me, because I'm never going to believe a word you say. Shadowstar 11:21, 1 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Yaaaaaaaaaaawn. Making fun of you? Who would do such a thing? Come back to The Bunker - Cowboy will give you a cuddle and one of his special pills.CDF Eva 14:41, 1 Nov 2005 (GMT)

More Response Seagulls not Jamoombhadeen

You guys are exasperating. The Shambling Seagulls are a very tightly organized group of mostly senior gamers that have been playing games together for about six years. We have designed a metacampaign that has been over three years in continuous play and a metagame. 100% of our members are either military, retired/former military or military grogs. Several of us are published. We know how to make a plan and execute it. I state this to support my following description of our approach to this game.

In comparison with other groups we are very small. Small enough to not get noticed. We are very organized and global. We have developed several tools to archive our scouting reports and a graphical data mining tool. We meet twice daily in toto or in committee to create, evaluate or execute plans. We developed a way for a small group of zombies to systematically isolate and defeat a much larger force of humans no matter how much local supply support they have available. We tested our theories on smaller targets then set out to evaluate how to take down Fort Creedy.

To exemplify the difference in the way we approach the game. We consider the Battle of Fort Creedy to have begun sometime in early September where you guys lit the battle as occurring over 2-3 days in October. Using only zombies and our training and mk1 human brain, we developed ways to watch the flow of human activity, their activities and the information they willing provided to us. I said we were global. 3 zombies each manipulated by their respective players in different time zones around the world can comfortably log activity occurring in a 9 block radius 6 times an hour for a complete day, alert other zombies for activity to be evaluated, database this information and human activity trends recorded. We identified heal and rev points for the entire area, the people performing these actions, their preferred points of supply and the best time and method to reduce this and other human beneficial activity. When we simply needed to do something that required a larger force than the dozen or so we werewe setup situations for other zombies to take advantage of a situation we observed or help create.

We developed tools and methods to evaluate the efficacy of our work, altering tactics until we found effective methods to achieve our immediate and long term goals. Prior to the attack on the Tynte Mall, we were moving about and attacking at will. Humans had to wait days before getting a revive, we were taking key buildings down and not getting a bit of damage. We had decimated the supply structure for the mall and by coincidence began the attack on the actual mall buildings instead of the outlying support and defense structure, the same time The Scourge began their attacks.

We considered Tynte Mall to be an important prerequisite to taking down Creedy as significant human traffic was seen moving between Creedy and important buildings to the West. In order to reduce the support structure and starve the force inside of health, ammo, rev syringes and other important supplies, we needed to remove Tynte Mall protect our rear. We also needed to cut the lines of movement and force the humans to walk outside the buildings. Using select attacks and allowing particular humans to survive, we could get the humans to build up their own barricades too high to allow their low level guys to get into key buildings. This would allow roving zombies not affiliated to our group to help take down characters. It allowed the humans to make mistakes and run out of AP before they got into a safe house.

Before each of the major attacks it was necessary to identify senior people in the area defense and any other key organizational info. This is generally rather easy to do with patience and coordination. Most of the time humans will give it right to us through poor in-game security. A person talking right in front of us is very common. Once we can identify persons of interest, we build a db with potential targets, to include hotheads, as well as important individuals. Through careful use, we can track these important people by dedicated data recording.

We take down sections at a time, selected support and transport, get other zombies to help, and then move to larger and more key sections. We were just making the final attacks on the Tynte Mall as The Scourge was arriving.

With the Mall down, the Western approaches were exposed. Plenty of Tynte survivors were moving to Creedy but the feeding frenzy at the mall meant that lots of unaffiliated zombies were now in the area and shutting down movement between the two and certain other routes destroyed. Attacks now on the supply and transport buildings closer to the Fort were faster and more effective as additional unaffiliated zombies acted similar to remoras and helped take down inhabitants after the barricades were cracked. At the time of the final assault on Creedy, humans were spending up to 3 days as zombies and we were alive for 3 days without a scratch.

The kicker was that on the day of the assault, there was a coordinated attack by the Shambling Seagulls and The Scourge. In the Armory there were over 200 zombies.

We number less than 10% of that. We eliminated all the support around Tynte Mall with well planned and coordinated attacks of 9-14 zombies.

You see, we didn’t need all that other stuff, Pk’ers, spies, etc. you guys still get members of the Jamoomhadeen and Seagulls confused, that’s why you think there was board spying and Pking by the Seagulls. Different groups, different groups. What did we need human spies for? To tell us there were alot of people in the Fort?

And no, it wasn’t us playing with your wiki page. We’re too mature for that kid stuff.

honeybeeman


Too mature? Published books on military? If you're so great, then why'd you USE the spies? Your excuses are exceedingly tiresome. We found your spies on our group. We saw your PKs from Jamoomba in the building. We were followed by your group for almost a month in both zombie and survivor form. Soddball is no longer a member of your group? He was banned 24 hours for vandalism this morning/afternoon/evening, depending on your timezone. And speaking of maturity, I've heard that people who feel the need to specifically mention their maturity are trying to prove something. You cheated. You spied on us. You called us Nazis, and I can't imagine that real people in the military would be so cavalier as to use that as an insult, thereby insulting the memories of all the people who died in that war, all the veterans who fought in that war-- my grandfather fought in that war, and I'm appalled that you can insult him by comparing nothing's like us to the Nazis he fought. I'm sorry if you don't like what we've said about you since we found out, but that's what happens. Who's CDF Eva? Who's CDF Bob? Who's Eva Braun's Sister, and for that matter, Eva Braun herself? If you were so mature, if you were so skilled that you could take out Tynte by yourself with under 15 zombies (and frankly, I'd think the other zombie groups would disagree, but I'm not going to argue that for them)-- then why did you come into our boards and spy on us? I still haven't seen an answer to that. Shadowstar 03:50, 1 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Recent Controversy

From the article (now removed) "These players continue to refuse to take responsibility for their actions, despite evidence found by CDF on their boards while trying to expel their spies from their private group forum." Wow, the CDF has resorted to breaking their own rules in order to try to make another group look bad? That's just pathetic. Darrik 21:45, 27 Oct 2005 (BST)

I reverted your edit, Darrik. You can't just squelch someone's opinion like that, especially not on a controversy page. --LibrarianBrent 23:26, 27 Oct 2005 (BST)


No, we don't break our rules to make another group look bad. We didn't break our rules at all-- The rules cannot apply when people have done what they did to us. These people infiltrated our boards and talked about us on theirs: how do we make Cowboy Up do something stupid? Look at what this shadowstar guy said!

They wanted to make us look bad, and they've succeeded. Do I need to post the conversation we got from them where they talk about the need to separate Shambling Seagulls and Jamoomba? Do I need to post their list of people to show that the same members were inside buildings that we were killed in? I don't have problems with the Undying Scourge, and they also participated in this battle. Do you really think, if this was all about Fort Creedy, I'd have withdrawn the complaints against them and apologized to them? If I didn't believe that this was true, I wouldn't post it.

We had an absolute right to find out who was on our boards leaking information so that we could expel them. We asked politely, but the spies, note the plural there, did not speak up. We had to find them. We KNOW that Atticus Finch killed TheProfessor in order to give him more cachet with our group-- we had to find that out in order to remove him. We KNOW that soddball infiltrated our group for no reason. They won't apologize to us for these actions.

The rules of ethical espionage that we set out apply to attacking and defending within the game-- not to uncovering people who've infiltrated our boards. They created Eva Braun and Eva Braun's Sister, they created CDF Bob, and there are members on their list that are associated with both Jamoomba and the Shambling Seagulls. They even had to discuss how to separate the two because people are noticing that when Jamoomba shows up, the Seagulls aren't far behind.

Further, they're still vandalizing our wiki page. But we're pathetic? It just shows how much they've wrecked our reputation while we did pretty much nothing to theirs. Shadowstar 23:19, 27 Oct 2005 (BST)

You did not need us to make you look bad - I think you can handle that one all on your own. If you keep putting lies on your pages what do you expect? The discussion on our forum about keeping the Jamoombahadeem and Seagull groups separate was instigated by your pages linking them in the first place - when in fact they were not. Have you ever actually stood back and wondered why your group, in particular, causes such annoyance to many others? Sticking to the facts - not your bizarre fantasies - might be a good start. The Seagulls had actually decided to leave you alone and move on to other areas - but your weird demands for apoligies, constant whining and lies have now changed all that. You reap what you sow.CDF Eva 23:45, 28 Oct 2005 (BST)

You people are the same groups. I understand why you are pretending you're not. We asked for an apology because you people spent your time insulting us, and it's only polite, isn't it? But no, that's not your style. You used spies and wouldn't admit to it. I personally am trying to show people the truth. You're upset that we found out. You're right, you do reap what you sow, don't you. You people used spies. You insulted and mocked us, when frankly, except for whatever Cowboy Up and his silly "Zombae" character did (it looked to me like everyone knew who he was anyhow), none of us had done a damned thing to you. What exactly was it that I had done to you that you had to insult me? Or any of the other members. Take a step back and think about why we're so damned angry with your group. Shadowstar 23:12, 28 Oct 2005 (BST)

You have mocked Jamoomba thus the Jamoombahadeen target you - it has been this way since the beginning of time. Prophet Valdhim

The Jamoombahadeen shall target the CDF for their outspoken hatred of the great Jamoomba/ Their own hypocrisy as a group is what drew the attention of the great Jamoomba and thus the Jamoombahadeen to target the CDF for their attempts at destroying the game. From what we see of the CDF their goal is to sabotage the game before it is finished to ruin it for everyone else. Their members purposely PK other players and cheat in order to subvert the efforts of Kevan who is trying to make a balanced game. Instead this Rogue group is attempting to ruin the game by using illegal tactics to ruin it and chase away other players. Unfortunately the CDF has learned that the UD community will not stand for thi and is now targeted by The Powerful and Mighty Seagulls and every other group involved in UD. You will not be allowed to derail this game and every player is dedicated towards making sure you never get the chance to finish your goal. You have been marked by the Seagulls for illegal activities and are considered a weaker group for doing so. Only the master Group will survive and we appreciate all the new members you have brought us with your foolish attempts of cheating and other server attacks such as using multiple accounts which are tantamount to DOS attacks! UD has united against your group and all groups are hunting you so dont blame the Supreme Seagulls for this blame yourselves.

FlockOGulls

Older Controversy

Just wondering what this thing about PKers attacking the fort is about? I really doubt that because a few pkers attacked you (apparently)the whole fort fell. Need I remind you that there were over 250 people in that fort? I doubt that a couple if PKers, if there were any could of made a difference. --Qwako 19:59, 18 Oct 2005 (BST)

There have been reports of approximately 20 different humans who attacked CDF members. Those reports might be false, but it is certainly what CDF believes. No one said that PKers were the only reason the fort fell, but they did contribute to it. Shadowstar 20:13, 18 Oct 2005 (BST)
The question is less whether the PKers contributed, but more the extent of their contribution. The coordinated attacks by the Scourge and Seagulls, respectively, would seem far more deadly than the efforts of random PKers. To focus on the PKers while not mentioning horde efforts downplays a major factor in the battle, and has a complaining air of "Well, we would have won if it hadn't been for those meddling kids" to it.--Bananafsh 20:46, 18 Oct 2005 (BST)
The first thing mentioned in that update was that "a large force of zombies came to Fort Creedy." No one is downplaying 200+ zombies at Fort Creedy. CDF wouldn't have won at any rate-- most of them weren't even there (from what I've heard), despite the "motto". Many of CDF's people had already been killed at Marks. I'd say CDF is just a bit more pissed off at the fact that PKers were helping out. Zombies are expected to attack. Shadowstar 21:07, 18 Oct 2005 (BST)
First off sure the undying scuorge and the shambling seagulls probbly would have deeated us. however they wouldnt of had such an easy time of it if Pkers were not involved as well. And these were not random pkers i believe it was an organized group of them aligned with the zombies in peppardville for they only targeted CDF members.
Ahhh, a zombie conspiracy from an anonmyous(sp?) member now is it? We would of had just an easy time taking down the fort anyway. Once the seagulls and the scourge had taken down the barricades and really got stuck in there was no hope. No way could you of outbarricaded 2 zombie groups attacking at the same time (although accidentally)The fact that shadow said most of the CDF were taken out at Marks doesn't lead to me think that the Pks could of done that much damage to you anyway. And at the moment all these PKs are is rumours, we haven't seen any evidence or anyone being reported to the PK list, I would of thought that if these PKs helped bring down the fort they would of been reported to the PK list immediatly, yet noone has been.. --Qwako 21:37, 18 Oct 2005 (BST)
Well, so long as nobody's downplaying 200+ zombies there, you don't mind if I add mention of specific zombie numbers, as well as organizations taking credit, on your page? I'll hold off until I get the go-ahead. --Bananafsh 21:42, 18 Oct 2005 (BST)
Probably okay. Wait until Cowboy Up is online to answer that. I'm just... heh... chief scribe, perhaps? Shadowstar 22:49, 18 Oct 2005 (BST)
As a group we cant go and list those who pk us due to the fact that most PKers are part of some group. It would be considered them waging a gang war on us. Now that rasies the question as to what group would be cowardly enough to come attack a group already under seige by two large zombie groups. Well there only one answer a Pker group aligned or invited to the fight by the zombies themselves. --Chatth--
Cowboy Up says yes. Shadowstar 00:48, 19 Oct 2005 (BST)
I think it's very important to mention the player killers inside Fort Creedy. I mean the PKers were busy throwing out tacks for people to step on while the Scourge and Gulls were eating people's skulls. You can't very well get your brains eaten with any sort of dignity when you're stepping on tacks, now can you?
In all seriousness though, this was a well-conducted, serendipitously timed operation by two different zombie groups and a poorly planned and conducted defense of the suburb. When you've got hundreds of zombies in the area and you're holing up in a place that can't ever go above VSB, it's a massacre waiting to happen. PKer groups weren't involved (at least in any significant numbers) in previous Creedy slaughters, why would they be relevant now? The point isn't to deny that it was going on, it's just that it's a piss poor excuse. The CDF got kicked in the balls why they weren't looking and the independents in the area didn't help them in time. When the fort finally went down, they paid the price for it.--Insomniac By Choice 00:52, 19 Oct 2005 (BST)
I agree that it was a well executed plan on the part of the zombies, but I don't see any reason to ignore the fact that we had people undermining our efforts. A character name "CDF Bob" entered the fort and told people to stay put even after Cowboy Up declared our loss to the leaders of the Zombie group; after we had gone through and declared a general retreat. This player has no relation to us, and you can't tell me that this name was chosen at random and he just happened to come into this particular area which just happened to have a presence of a group calling themselves CDF for short, claiming to be CDF and saying that he controlled the fort.
Look, I don't have a problem with losing to the zombies. Well done to both groups. We'll get you next time, my pretties, NEXT TIIIIIME! But the PKers/Zombie Spies had an effect in our opinions, and from our perspective, the effect was pretty big. Look at this.

CDF Bob said "The Fort has not fallen! It is all lies! We are in control, bitches" (10-18 17:11 GMT) CDF Bob said "The zombies are incompetent fools. Couragious Cowboy-up will save us all" (10-18 17:11 GMT) CDF Bob said "I am not wounded...you will roast in hell, dead scum" (10-18 17:12 GMT) CDF Bob said "Thousands of reinforcements are on their way to disembowel you (again)" (10-18 17:13 GMT) CDF Bob said "Oh! Ugh! I'm not quite dead yet, bitch" (10-18 17:13 GMT) CDF Bob said "We...willl...be victorious" (10-18 17:13 GMT) CDF Bob said "can't die now" (10-18 17:13 GMT) CDF Bob said "certain...victory...always" (10-18 17:13 GMT) CDF Bob said "die...pig..whores" (10-18 17:14 GMT)

Joined the city: 2005-10-18 17:07:48 Real name: Official CDF mouthpiece

This person is not related to us and joined up just to confuse the battle. And you want to discount spies and PKers in this battle? Hell, does this qualify as a zerging, or does it not count because there was only one obvious guy? Shadowstar 01:26, 19 Oct 2005 (BST)

So...because he was not one of yours, he must therefore be affiliated with the Scourge or the Seagulls? While CDF Bob was making his little comments, the zombie board showed two zombies in the "Morgue" section claiming credit for his kill. Nobody jumped to his aid on those boards asking that these attacks stop (see: http://zombies.desensitised.net/board/index.php?topic=911.75) The Scourge neither authorized nor sanctioned the use of human PKers in this raid, and I would ask that you not jump to conclusions simply because he wasn't yours.

As for your latest entry: "This person counted a number of zombie spies and/or PKers. A count of these Zombie spies that are known from their speech (generally "gang bang bananah," "Zammmbaaaaa," and "hamanz brhah" were popular) runs to 33 (of course, this count can easily include people who are not spies or zombies because of the way the game works in generating HTML)", I'm confused as to how a zombie using Death Rattle constitutes a spy? With dozens of zombies in the fort, why shouldn't they be speaking/taunting in the heat of battle? I must be missing something here, because zombies saying "bananah" does not equate to PKers in your midst.

When you state "And you want to discount spies and PKers in this battle?", you misstate my concerns. It's this statement: "The efforts of the zombie spies and PKers during this battle is generally considered by CDF members to have had as great or greater an effect (than the actual zombies) on the outcome of this battle." I have not been asking that you downplay your allegations of PKing. I'm asking that the wiki entry itself acknowledge that the coordinated efforts of the Scourge, the Seagulls, and the other zombies that comprised the 250 at Creedy that led to the fort's defeat. To not do so insults the organization of their efforts. Again, this sounds like, "We would have won if you guys hadn't cheated!"

However, since Cowboy Up has granted permission to modify the page, I will do so.--Bananafsh 01:52, 19 Oct 2005 (BST)

Oh, and these seem far too opinionated and subjective to exist in the official wiki:

1) "This scribe would note that a PKer or zombie spy has the emotional weight of at least 10 zombies on surrounding humans, causing humans to overestimate the effect of such players."

2) "It is the opinion of this scribe, and several other members of CDF, that when large hordes attack, they might do well to remove zombie spies and PKers first if they intend to gain maximal credit for their attack."

1) The PKer has the emotional weight of 10 zombies?? And this causes humans to overestimate them? So the PKer then has the weight of what, 20 zombies? Maybe if the PKer hits for 100% of the time with 50 shotgun shells in 25 fully loaded shotguns against humans lacking flak jackets or body building. So that's 500 points of damage, with a 50 AP load, for 10 such human kills. In optimal conditions. Now with 10 zombies, let's say it takes 2 of them to tear down a bunch of barricades, so that 8 can get in and feast. Even if they're not hitting 100% of the time, those 8 zombies, if reasonably leveled up at the combat level, will take down 10 humans, minimum. Not to mention wreak a bunch of fear and panic when the other survivors wake up and log in. Which equates to actual damage AND emotional weight. As a human, I can take care of a PKer with the help of some buddies. But if there are 10 zombies inside, much less 20, I'm healing what I can, bugging out, and telling my buddies to do the same.

2) As stated before, the Scourge did not sanction PKers or spies in this assault. Any intel we received here came from zombies breaching the barricades. Also, as plenty of people have noted on the boards, Cowboy Up kind of heavily advertised the CDF's presence, so that it wasn't exactly a surprise that Creedy was a rich target. So in a nutshell, your allegations of cheating are groundless. Until you can provide actual proof, please refrain from doing so.

As for killing zombie spies first, I've already shown a link from the boards indicating that CDF Bob was torn up soon after he made his taunts (which were made to zombies). If you'd like to publish a list of zombie spies/PKers that we should attack first next time, you are of course free to advertise such info. Otherwise, asking your opponents to "kill the other guys first before you kill the obvious high level targets, including us", is just silly.

Please remove the section from your wiki.--Bananafsh 04:08, 19 Oct 2005 (BST)

I didn't say the PKer had the actual force of 10 zombies, Bananafsh, I said he had the emotional weight of 10 zombies. Humans are as upset by one PKer as they are by 10 zombies. For most people in the CDF, if they saw a known PKer or spy and a group of zombies (that had no AP or something), they would kill the PKer first. There's a difference between force and perceived force, especially when that perceived force is hidden within a large group of people. With zombies, I can tell immediately who the enemy is. With humans, I can't! So an unknown PKer is much more dangerous. An unknown PKer can pick off my friends, and if I'm not in some forum somewhere, I'll never know until he and I are the last ones standing.
PKers are even a valid part of the game. Granted, an unhappy one for humans, but valid. So we aren't accusing you of cheating. (Except perhaps my comment about zerging. So I'll retract that, then.) I personally don't think you worked directly with a PKing group. Maybe not even with spies. But that doesn't mean there weren't spies, PKers and zergers in there who took advantage of your attack. It doesn't mean that someone didn't have an alt that they used to post those reports, or barricade the building. CDF Bob was still not ours, so his mention in the wiki entry remains. He is someone who claims to be us but isn't us: whether he belongs to Seagulls, Scourge or someone else, it doesn't matter.
Now. As for death rattle, I was incorrect, so I'll modify that. I didn't realize, when looking at this person's html code, that death rattle gave a zombie a name. Had I realized that, I would not have included the information. I also did not realize that zombies could say anything intelligible.
As for subjective things on the official wiki... This is the opinion of the group, and it is stated as an opinion. Even wikipedia, while it frowns on using opinions, accepts them if you clearly identify them. I'll remove the part that says it's my opinion, and change it to "this group believes" if that suits you better. CDF is allowed to believe what they'd like, just as, say Church_of_New_Eden is allowed to write it's wiki entry up as a pamphlet and talk about the "virus" as though it's a fact, even though officially it is not. Shadowstar 02:54, 19 Oct 2005 (BST)
And from a recent CDF report: "That may be the case for some of them shadow, but there were PLENTY of times in the day leading up to the attack on the Fort where xxxxxx, xxxxxx, and others were doing the death rattle crap when there weren't any zombies around or anything else. So I know FOR SURE that there were plenty of zombies as humans doing the death rattle crap." (names removed to avoid PK concerns)

But the entry states that the CDF believes the PKers to "have had as great or greater an effect (than the actual zombies) on the outcome of this battle." There is no qualifier here about emotional weight. It's outright saying that the PKers affected the battle at least as much, if not more, than the zombies. Which is poppycock.

And I picked up on your distinction between actual and emotional weight the first time. I didn't buy it then, and I don't buy it now. You assume that you can't retaliate against the unknown PKer because you have no means of communication with your allies. Except you do: it's your forum, or whatever method your group uses to coordinate. So if a PKer is working against your group, it's still just one person you can ID and target. If the PKer is taking out folks outside your group, well, considering how disgusted Cowboy Up was at those who didn't participate in the defense, it's hardly skin off your back. Now considering that 10 zombies can (and do) kill far more than a single PKer, the "emotional" weight wrought by their successful attack also outweighs that from your one PKer.

This was interesting: "I personally don't think you worked directly with a PKing group. Maybe not even with spies. But that doesn't mean there weren't spies, PKers and zergers in there who took advantage of your attack. It doesn't mean that someone didn't have an alt that they used to post those reports, or barricade the building. CDF Bob was still not ours, so his mention in the wiki entry remains. He is someone who claims to be us but isn't us: whether he belongs to Seagulls, Scourge or someone else, it doesn't matter."

So we're agreed that no PKers nor spies coordinated with the Scourge on this one (I can't speak for the Seagulls, but I'm assuming they didn't, either). First off, if the spies aren't associated with any group here, whom would they be spying for? Don't use the term unless you know they were working for somebody. I repeat, the Scourge did not use spies in this assault.

Secondly, I have yet to see you bring forth actual proof that PKers were involved to any (much less substantial) degree during this battle. Where are the screenshots? Where are the text pastes? You have not provided any proof for these charges, yet continue to maintain that an unknown number of PKers wrought a heavier emotional devastation on the defenders than the massed forces of over two hundred zombies there. We have an unknown number of PKers wreaking an immeasurable amount of "emotional" weight, thus leaving CDF facing an unfair fight. You provide unsubstantiated, unprovable statements unsupported by documentation; I try to give estimates and numbers based on best available data.

I can tell you that the Scourge didn't target Creedy until Monday, the 17th of October, and that over 250 survivors were in Creedy at time of first breech. I can tell you that by 2000 GMT on the following day, Tuesday the 18th, that number was down to a tenth of that, and the zombies had grown to a horde of nearly 250. Who did that? The unknown PKers? Or the known quantities of the Scourge and the Shambling Seagulls? The continued chanting of "The PKers did us in" rings more and more false in the face of such evidence. --Bananafsh 04:07, 19 Oct 2005 (BST)

In response to: "And from a recent CDF report: "That may be the case for some of them shadow, but there were PLENTY of times in the day leading up to the attack on the Fort where xxxxxx, xxxxxx, and others were doing the death rattle crap when there weren't any zombies around or anything else. So I know FOR SURE that there were plenty of zombies as humans doing the death rattle crap." (names removed to avoid PK concerns)".

For the umpteenth time, the Scourge did not use spies nor PKers. A couple possibilities spring to mind: 1) if your friend logged in after a weekend without net access, he would hear the "death rattle crap" of a zombie that had entered, been killed, then removed from the building. 2) if the zombies were still within the fort, but in human form, they may have been revived by Necrotechs after having spoken in death rattleese, and now chosen to remain at the Fort.

Either you are accusing the Scourge of having cheated, or you are not. Might I remind you of Cowboy Up's statement? "Thats ok. I was proven wrong. But in our death we stand. I have given orders to all of Creedy and the CDF to fight as zombies. You like munching on us? Munch on us while were dead. WE ARE NOT LEAVING." http://zombies.desensitised.net/board/index.php?topic=1322.0

Isn't he advocating PKing from a zombie standpoint there? Yet I'm not complaining that the assault would have gone even more quickly had the zombies chosen not to metagame.--Bananafsh 04:19, 19 Oct 2005 (BST)

PKing on either side isn't against the rules (if it were, you'd get 0exp, right?); it's just scarier for humans than the zombies. And I'm not saying it was an unfair fight either. And by spies, I mean people who didn't necessarily tell YOU how they were getting their information. Do you sit there analyzing each report, or do you just act on information and make the best use of it that you can?
As for proof... there's no such thing as proof, really. I can make a screenshot of a person killing a zombie look like a PKer. Text is even easier. I've seen Rufus Hart put up there as a PKer, and I really don't think he is, given the number of times he's protected and healed lower level characters. At any rate, we're trying to lay low at the moment, so I don't think our group should be making any enemies by publishing names.
A person that does things like raising the barricades-- and a zombie can't do that, afaik-- we would never see. We only see the effects. So yes the weight of that person is far greater than a known enemy.
And finally, just because I don't think you had any spies (because you didn't need any, people are just idiots) doesn't mean the rest of the group doesn't think it. Shadowstar 11:16, 19 Oct 2005 (BST)
Finally, we agree. People are indeed idiots. Which would be my explanation for those who panicked and built the barricades up past "very strongly." (And no, zombies can't build barricades; they can only break them). Nonetheless, thank you for editing the page to its current state, which is a far more fair account. --Bananafsh 14:12, 19 Oct 2005 (BST)
Just a note here to thank Gringo, who does not yet have an account, for coming up with wording that we can all live with. Yay! Shadowstar 16:54, 19 Oct 2005 (BST)

Tidying up would be appreciated =\ --Qwako 20:34, 19 Oct 2005 (BST)

Just one thing that is apparently a misconception on your side as the zombie speech bug is on mine:
Pulling down the barricades from the inside is certainly possibly. I routinely do this on heavily barricaded buildings before leaving so that I can get back in.
And I'm kind of at work... (Yeah, I really need to stop doing this while I'm here... god, they pay me for working, not doing ud wiki stuff... heh ^_^;; ) However, if you give me a list of what you'd like me to fix, I'll see what I can do later. Shadowstar 20:39, 19 Oct 2005 (BST)

I really doubt anything to do with the Amish Liberation Front has to be in there.. They are on the other side of the map and it is just casting a bad light on the scourge :/ --Qwako 21:48, 19 Oct 2005 (BST)

Is there no connection between the ALF and US? I can edit it to "percieved link between" if there's no real connection. I am only positing that it is a reason behind the belief, not that they were actually the group that was there. Shadowstar 02:06, 20 Oct 2005 (BST)
Speaking of connections, is there one between Shadowstar and starshadow? Considering we just hit a nearby safehouse with the latter right near where Shadowstar fell, the coincidence seems a bit...much, especially since this new star is a free-running scout. --Bananafsh 18:20, 21 Oct 2005 (BST)
Yes, there is. Shadowstar is most likely not getting back up. Five times in as many days is enough (especially since I didn't stand up every day). If starshadow is targetted too, I think I'll be leaving the game. I've pulled the profile out. Shadowstar 19:25, 21 Oct 2005 (BST) Oh, and thanks for putting my profile out there. I was PKed (probably while you were thinking, haha, cheater, multiple accounts). Thanks ever so. (And if it was a zombie attack, all I can say is that your characters get revived REALLY fast, and have just as many human skills as my high level Shadowstar.) Shadowstar 19:53, 21 Oct 2005 (BST) ... well, if this character is going to be targetted too, despite being a low level character and keeping a fairly low profile, I suppose there's no use for keeping it, is there... as an aside, CDF Bob showed up again. If you see him or Sir Extinguisher, please kill them for me? I certainly don't have the AP for it. Still deciding on the leaving the game thing. I'd really only be letting the a**holes win, wouldn't I... Shadowstar 20:49, 21 Oct 2005 (BST)
Pity to hear about it if you're leaving the game. Your decision, of course, depending on whether or not the fun's still there (5 times in 5 days would frustrate me, too, from the human side anyway; and as far as I know, the Scourge only had a direct hand in one of them; well, perhaps two if we're counting the actual Creedy assault). As to the profile thing, I figured, "If it wasn't you, no harm done." I'm not going to go so far as to call you a cheater, though. I know firsthand how that feels, especially when the charges are false, and lacking any evidence. --Bananafsh 21:06, 21 Oct 2005 (BST)
I was never at Creedy. :) Hey, I didn't even know you guys were the same people as the ALF (actually, that part was from someone else). We started out just saying there were PKers and spies. I suppose the word should have been saboteurs... Eh, doesn't matter. Sorry if you felt I was calling you a cheater. I really wasn't, but just because you didn't cheat, it doesn't discount that stuff happened, and I think others did cheat. I personally think that most of the cheating was done by the Mugen guy... He's the one who started calling Cowboy Up a Nazi (for telling him not to kill level ones who didn't answer to his roll call? wtf) and then CDF Bob and Eva Braun started showing up (now we've still got Eva Braun's Sister tagging along wherever we go)... And he seemed enough of a jerk to have zerged himself to the point where he could do a lot of damage to any efforts. Shadowstar 21:19, 21 Oct 2005 (BST)
Dang. You've been busy making the rounds to set the record straight. Nice work on a bunch of fronts. --Bananafsh 19:14, 24 Oct 2005 (BST)
I try :) Though, now we've apparently got a truce with the people who caused us to make the allegations... so I must go to silent on the whole affair. Still. Shadowstar 19:21, 24 Oct 2005 (BST)
If you're bored, I can throw some cheating allegations around. --Bananafsh 19:23, 24 Oct 2005 (BST)
haha! No, I should SO do work... Supposed to be installing win2k on some machine or other... Shadowstar 19:25, 24 Oct 2005 (BST)
Re: the latest revision. Wow, you're spending more time defending the Scourge lately than I am. You may as well admit it and say you want in on the brain feasts. ;) --Bananafsh 15:16, 27 Oct 2005 (BST)
Trying to make sure everyone (who matters) on wiki knows that we're legit. ... actually, starshadow IS trying to be zombie-like right now... but there are no humans to eat, so I have to attack zombies to try to get exp, and only 10-20% chance to hit... So very difficult to start new characters now... It didn't feel so bad when I started, cause everyone else was so low... Why'd you have to clear out all the suburbs? I haven't seen a building with closed doors for a week! How'm I supposed to level!? Shadowstar 17:54, 27 Oct 2005 (BST)
Well...you could try joining a horde. Lots of good eats to be found with them. *cough*. --Bananafsh 18:15, 27 Oct 2005 (BST)
(We need to cut these down a bit...) True... but I'm still part of CDF (at LEAST till we do something about Jamoomba and the Seagulls), so I'd have to be really careful about stuff.......... eh, stay feral for a while. If I can't manage to get anywhere, I suppose I'll have to... just make sure I disclose if I revive the other one... Shadowstar 18:36, 27 Oct 2005 (BST)
(We need to stop meeting like this.) Tease. As for conflict of interest, the Scourge isn't anywhere near Creedy at the moment. So long as you're playing by the rules (i.e., roleplaying a schizophrenic divide between the two characters), you should be fine. --Bananafsh 18:54, 27 Oct 2005 (BST)
(checks AP) well... only 11 AP... I think will come join you :) but... not until I can at least move than five spaces..... heh heh... the zombie movement penalty for low levels makes sense, but geez it's hard on the AP... Shadowstar 19:13, 27 Oct 2005 (BST)

Yes, ALF is located within the Scourge forums, however I have a feeling that if we even tried to coordinate together, that a few ALF members would be caught in the crossfire anyways. However, I do not run ALF, although I am a member. Shadowstar, considering you also are a member of the Scourge, I hope you aren't doing anything stupid that would sabotage us.-Master Sniperwulf

Not unless missing all the damned fights is sabotage. :( It's awful. Starshadow still hasn't found a human-- I'm too late to the attacks. Damn it! Anyway, if you ever feel that I am, you can kick me out... I haven't said anything to CDF that hasn't been public knowledge. I wait for things to be on the wiki before I say anything to them. Shadowstar 16:10, 6 Nov 2005 (GMT)
Send a PM through here: http://zombies.desensitised.net/board/index.php?action=profile;u=135. --Bananafsh 19:36, 27 Oct 2005 (BST)

Repent and Jamoomba the Fickle may move his godly gaze on to other unbelievers. CDF Eva 13:06, 27 Oct 2005 (BST)

Barricades

The game does allow humans to break down barricades from the inside, I did so on several occasions to bring the barricades of fort creedy back to VSB in order to alow survivours inside. Also there was a human character saying towards the end of the attacks something along the lines of "hahaha it was me who brought down your barricades", a click on his character profile revealed that he had a few human and zombie skills, and 600 experience to spend (likely to be spent after his death) sadly I did not record the profile or take a screenshot so I can't prove that fact.

However it is definately possible to attack the barricades of a building from the inside as a human. I will have a look around for any records of the cultist who admitted to attacking the barricades, but that point is a minor one.


The Ignorantamusii Controversy

Are you guys really concerned about the proper way to call CDF ignoramuses? So many edits about it! That's kind of funny! And good job Katthew, first one that gets through my dictionary.com test :) Though, I kind of thought it was a tad more apropos with 'ignoramii'... Shadowstar 18:44, 2 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Oh Jesus you leave me out of this. --Katthew 19:44, 2 Nov 2005 (GMT)
No, no, has nothing to do with the rest of the conversation (well, I don't think it does)... that's why I separated it. :) I just thought it was funny that people were debating the correct noun. Shadowstar 20:08, 2 Nov 2005 (GMT)


I simply declined 'Ignoramus' as you would decline any Latin noun. I rather like 'ignoramii' (pronounced ignorame -ee-ee for the non-classically-educated amongst us). Whether or not it's accurate is by the by. I don't like 'ignoramuses' - it makes me think of a large, swamp-wallowing offshoot of the order Artiodactyla.

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