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Discussions with the Brainiacs

Not sure why I'm bothering to archive this. May remove it later.

RESCUE barricade plan

On behalf of SE Division DaRT team, I want to discuss with you guys about using the RESCUE(basically an indoor RP) plan on Miltown, ir order to provide safer and faster revives around the suburb. Janjones 00:36, 10 June 2007 (BST)

Hi, Cheers for giving us a shout first...much appreciated.

From what I understand of my brief look into the plan, it involves marking all churches as unbarricaded and as revive points (which is a good idea overall - safely out of sight of the massing undead). I'm not sure how this would apply to the Heathen (churchless :) suburb of Miltown...

What are the other effects of instigating this policy?

cheers, –Ray Vern

phz ^•T 20:08, 11 June 2007 (BST)

Well, RESCUE could be applied in Miltown on a little bit different way. Instead of using a church, we could use an equally useless building (banks, museums or schools) to estabilish the RP.

Other effects of RESCUE include the fact that revivers could get inside a safehouse with less AP, since the Revive Point would be an entry point too. This also will help the revived with free running, which can get inside a safe building much more easily than having to search a VSB or less barricaded edification to be safe from the undead.Janjones 19:30, 12 June 2007 (BST)

I think it would be best to choose open revive buildings separate from the existing VSBs. The best choices, from what I can see (in terms of location and roleplay) would be the two railway stations (Central and North East). Both are near to NT buildings and are FreeRun linked to the rest of the suburb. The central station is also close by to a number of hospitals.

Feel free to edit the existing plan with this if you wish (or I can do it...let me know). At some point I'll add The Coalition to the list of RP supporters as well (when work allows the time :).

Cheers, –Ray Vern

phz ^•T 09:47, 15 June 2007 (BST)

Huey Long's Race for Mayor of Malton

You guys appear to have a very interesting concept going for your group,and I have to say that I agree w/ you--the game is best experienced after you play from both sides. I don't have any specifically "Dual Natured" characters myself, but I do run a dedicated survivor and a dedicated zombie, and I have to say that the perspectives are vastly different from each other.

Now, having gotten that out of the way, I would like to direct your attention to the following circular:

I, Huey Pierce Long, Jr., will be speaking at Pooll Crescent Police Department in !zanbah (Eastonwood) on April 8th, 2007, concerning his campaign to win the nomination of the Zombiecratic Party in the Mayor of Malton campaign, and I would like to invite your group to send a representative to attend the rally. It is my earnest hope to improve the situation for the lowly, starving ferals of Malton, and I would like to have your support in doing so.

Check out my campaign site for details, and if you like what you see, don't forget to vote for Huey P Long! As always, I can be contacted through my talk page (or that of my alt) if you have any questions, comments, etc. --Huey P Long ♠♥♣♦ 04:37, 6 April 2007 (BST)

New Neighbors!

Hey there, my name is Thom Flask. I used to be one of the South Paynterton Aces' higher ups, but decided it would be more fun to start from scratch down here. My new group, The Miltown Rats (wiki page pending) will operate out of the Heward Arms, providing revives. However, with this comes a problem. I'll be wanting that NT building nicely powered up if I'm to perform any proper revives. I don't want to butt heads with you folks, so I can promise you that anyone who joins my crew will let your zombie players pass in peace.

Cheers.--Thom Flask 17:56, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to Miltown.

Always good to hear from another group keen on keeping the revive lines moving. Coalition members sometimes work the revive lines when the urge takes them, though only the De/Res Department offer a revive on request service (which all are free to use).

I appreciate your dilemma with regards to the NTs. I cannot offer any guarantees in this regard - mainly because one of our groups "Prime Directives" is to ensure that the NTs in Miltown remain unpowered. The only thing I can do is ensure that you are aware of the three alternative NTs that sit just beyond Miltowns borders:

- The Longstaff Building [98, 87] - Three blocks North of Miltown above Travers Walk.

- The Dirkinson Building [99, 89] - One blocks North of Miltown, above The Sigel Arms.

- The Malcolm Building [88, 90] - Two blocks West of Miltown, west of Gover Library.

I realise that this is not what you wanted to hear, but I can't, in all good conscience, sign up to something that goes against our groups policies. (Out of interest, the De/Res Department use the aforementioned NTs when stocking up on Syringes themselves).

Don't worry too much about our zeds...they like to take a bite out of anyone that comes their way and would prefer not to receive any special treatment.

We look forward to working alongside you in game. Cheers, –Ray Vern

phz ^•T 20:01, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I can't say I understand your strategy, but I can live with that. I can also promise a headshot for each and every one of your zombie players, if it makes them feel any better. Also, how do your zombies work, anyway? Do they target their own NT facilities, or just mill about biting people until someone revives them?--Thom Flask 20:13, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to hold you to the Headshot promise. *8-).

I haven't played as a zed for quite a while now, but back when I was one, it was a pretty loose organisation. If any of them want back to life they send in a request to the De/Res email address and we sort out a where and when. Most of the current Coalition undead are lifers though.

Cheers, –Ray Vern

phz ^•T 21:13, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I really am curious, why do you keep the NT buildings unpowered? It really is bringing down the suburb and holding back revives.--Thom Flask 02:13, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

It's a group philosophy. The reason is on the main group page, but in short it's because we feel that it invades the privacy of our undead brethren (NecroNet). –Ray Vern

phz ^•T 12:28, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, your undead brethren have taken over the suburb. Playing two groups is fine, but if you keep up this policy you may as well be honest with yourselves and become a full time zombie horde. Powered NT buildings are necessary to survival.--Thom Flask 12:44, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

We are not a full time zombie horde, never have been and never will be. Some of us like to play zeds and other survivors. Coalition survivors cade, heal and revive all across the suburb (as I said, we source our syringes in unpowered NTs or from out of suburb NTs). Powered NTs are not a necessity, they are a luxury - they make a revivers life easier, that's all. I can't help that you don't like our policy, I can only suggest you adapt to it.

Cheers, –Ray Vern

phz ^•T 14:50, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Mobile Phone Mast

MalTel is conducting a maintenance "grand tour" and is currently trying to bring the mast at factory 94,95 back online -- and keep it running. I could use some help if you'd offer it. Asheets 19:25, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

We'll see what we can do about keeping the mast up and running. Quite a few of our guys use the text service regularly, so I'll pass the word around and we'll try and check in on the mast every now and then. –Ray Vern

phz ^•T 12:08, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

eXtreme PKers

A couple of our number have run afoul of these guys, but contrary to normal operating procedures, a screenshot was not taken. We cannot list these offenders in our PK list yet - but rest assured, they will offend again and we will be listing them for retribution when that happens.

If anyone else has suffered at the hands of eXtreme, we would like to know of it (particularly if you have a screen shot - which can be sent to the Coalition email address). Those that have targetted us do not always list their group names in their description, but instead seem to make their presence known by their pre-kill spiel.

Updates on this PKer group will be posted as more information arrives.

Cheers, –Ray Vern phz ^•T 16:34, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

המוסד למודיעין ולתפקידים מיוחדים

just letting you know we are operating in the miltown area. we respect and understand the duel nature of your group. as long as you don't use gray tactics or PKing against us or our allies we should get along fine. we will try and follow the miltown barricade plan, as posted by yourselfs. we are here to hunt zombies, maintain barricades, provide power for resource buildings. and preform revives on the willing.--Sexualharrison_{Malton Rangers / mossad} 19:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks for the heads up.

If you have any problems with one of our number, then just give us a shout and we'll sort it out.

Feel free to request revives through the Dept. Of De/Res - they're not quick, but they do get the job done.

Cheers, –Ray Vern phz ^•T 19:12, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

FU is really not makeing this a fun fight anymore. we can't fight againt gray tactics. we just don't have the man power. at least you guys fight fair. kudos to that. anyway we can get some help againt their spies from your live members? thanks.--Sexualharrison ^{MR• ה •T} 13:11, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Not much we can do against spies unfortunately. Some of our guys have noticed an increased number of very low level characters in the area too - it may be linked, or not. Not an accusations I'm going to make based on so little evidence though. We'll be sticking around the area and trying to keep the cades up though. –Ray Vern

phz ^•T 19:09, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Miltown Suburb Page

I did some updating and you guys should consider removing much of the information specific to your group and just link your group. Like remove your barricade plan and whatnot --Showcase 5:27, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

The barricade plan was added back in by someone else. I had originally removed it due to the presents of two plans for the suburb of Miltown (the Brainiacs had one also). That is no longer the case, so it is perfectly valid to have the barricade plan on the suburb page as the default one for Miltown.

About the rest of the updating.....Looks like I was overruled - even if it does look shit. Oh well. –Ray Vern phz ^•T 13:53, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't know who overruled you but it wasnt me. If you look at 90% of the other suburb pages, they all start with a blurb, a table of contents and then the resource buildings in the suburb...after that, the latest news section. When I first visited the Miltown page, I was a little lost. The barricade plan looks fine, I just thought it should be linked rather than on the suburb page since others might like to conform to the Uniform Barricading Policy...thats all. --Showcase 16:29, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Gage switched it back to having the Resources at the top - which I don't have a huge problem with...it was shifted to the bottom originally (back in september 06) because it was deemed to be a bit of an eyesore by those frequently using the Miltown page.

I'm all for keeping to the Suburb Style Guide.

The Uniform Barricading Policy is just the same as any other cading policy - created by a group or alliance and suggested on whichever Suburb pages will accept it - it has no more or less weight than any other plan.

No one has pushed for it on the Miltown page yet, and at those times more than one plan has been suggested links were put in to replace the 'cading maps. At the moment only a single plan has been put forward, so there was no real need to leave it as a link (putting relevant information within easy reach - no navigating to find what you need :). –Ray Vern phz ^•T 17:26, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Hazzahz, harmans, zahmbahz, hazzah!

Its good to see groups out there that support playing zombies when your dead, and playing survivors when your alive, and not getting too upset about people with zed skills and executing them for zed spies. I wish your group luck and fun --Danalov 09:33, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

	Dual Play!
	This user supports having zombie skills and survivor skills, and having more zombie skills than survivor skills does NOT make you a zed spy. !

It's also good to hear from others playing the same way.

Strangely, we never get any real grief from zombie groups, only ever from survivor groups. I guess dying every once in a while means the stick gets removed from up their.....

(you know, that's almost a reason to PK (not that we would), but "all survivors must die regularly in order to be freed from their own narrow perceptions" is as good a reason as any I've seen touted by a PKer group - lets hope I don't give any one ideas *8-) ).

Feel free to look us up anytime you are around Miltown.

Cheers, –Ray Vern phz ^•T 11:55, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

HS

	HS revive priority
	HS revive priority:	2.5 (out of 5)
	Reason for judgment:	Zombie-Human Alliances
	Comments	at HS talk page or HS forum
	Authorized by	Noc 02:52, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

HS invites you to show off your score on your main page so other can see how you have done. It is a measurement of your ability to deal with zombies and will be useful to those looking for a group. the ranking is based on the idea that AP is the measure of all things and effective strategy uses as few human AP to achieve a goal which takes many zombie AP to undo. Also you are invited to send a diplomat to our forum. oh and give my regards to Ollieuno, Charles Dahmer, Max hudd, Howling Dan, and Monktharo. Noc 02:52, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Added this at the top....just because I can *8=)
Excellent....things seem to be moving along swimmingly.
I think we can put what happened firmly behind us and carry on with our mutual Miltownian existence. A couple of points do need a response though:
- The Zombology Thang - I made it into a template so everyone can use it. Feel free to add it to your own user page. (same goes for any other templates you see on my user page. I can't speak for all other templates in the system though).
- The Wiki editting - I have no issue with simple grammatical or spelling corrections. What I was referring to was the replacement of the existing barricade policy with your own and the complete removal of the Fliney Building content. Feel free to add....don't replace.
As for the presence of The Coalition in the suburbs history...We've been around Miltown for well over a year now and, up until recently, have been the only significant contributors to the Suburb. We don't claim to own Miltown, but we are a part of it. If you are looking to contribute to the colour and history of Miltown, I'd like to request that you don't contradict existing entries (or replace them) - but that is only a request.
- The Coalition are very against PKing. If we see it or experience it then we screenshot it and put it on the list. I firmly believe that no Coalition members have PKed unlisted characters (contrary to what you claim) and I will hold to that until evidence is provided to prove otherwise (evidence any good scientist would provide =).
- I cannot guarantee sprays will remain. The Coalition are pretty liberal with the spray cans and will pretty much paint anything. With that and other visitors to the suburb spraying, there doesn't seem much point in relying on it as a form of communication. All I can suggest is that you check them regularly and rely on the Wiki, Radio and word of mouth to promote the Tickle revive point.
- I cannot guarantee generators in Necrotech buildings will survive. That's our policy and I'm afraid we can't make exceptions. A powered Necrotech lab is connected to the NecroNet and we don't want that at all.
Other resource buildings are less of a worry and tend to be left alone, particularly if there is a radio present. I'd recommend you pick an alternative site for the radio, rather than the NT building.
I'm also hoping no Coalition members are actually stupid to sleep in NT buildings (though some may just to spite me now =).
- Radios, as I mentioned before, are free for use once placed. There's no way a "switch back to original freq" policy can be enforced (mainly because it's too much grief for too little gain, especially when you have to deal with visitors mucking about with the sets too). It is worth noting that ALL Radios are free for use - even those placed by the Coalition. I'd get used to checking your freqs and changing them before you broadcast.
- I take offense at the accusation that a Coalition member would create a temporary account with the sole intention of vandalising a page on the wiki. I know all of The Coalition members and find such a derogatory statement base and unfounded. For a supposed scientist you seem very keen on assumptions and vast leaps to subjective conclusions.

–Ray Vern phz ^•T

Hi there! Thanks for your timely and constructive response. I’m going to go through and address each point you’ve raised in turn, within the overarching theme that, as I whole heartedly agree with "We (The Brainiacs) made a mistake, you (The Coalition) overreacted - lets start anew”, I honestly don’t really care much about the specifics of the aggression and nastiness which is now all in the past, and would much rather be looking to the future and any sort of constructive agreement our groups can now start working towards. Nonetheless, I would be a poor scientist if I didn’t exhaustively examine everything, so I'll do so now ;), keeping your comments in italics for ease of reading.

1) Two of our members were attacked, but not killed by, human Coalition members. No reason was given for this unprovoked aggression.

Can you provide names of the culprits? No. We didn’t think of the event as significant enough at the time to warrant screenshotting or even noting down the name. Some Brainiacs got PKed- whoop-dee-doo, it happens.

Did you confirm they were Coalition members by looking at the member list on our Group page? (It's worth noting that there have been reportings of non-Coalition members claiming our tag - "BRAINS I WANT BRAINS" and "Parrot Thames" to name two - both of which you are free to PK all you like =) Duly noted for those two names- although we are primarily scientists ;). I can’t confirm who the PKers were as defined above, but I seem to recall the names were shorter than that. The people who were PKed did glance at profiles and both were from, or claiming to be from, The Coalition, though.

If you have been to our group page you must have also noticed that we don't stand for PKing (especially from our own members) and we maintain a list of all those proven to transgress this simple rule. I have studied your group page and noticed this- which I why I assumed the enormous overreaction was unofficial or due to miscommunication.

For us to begin investigations we do require a screenshot. That’s fair enough. For reasons given previously, we don’t have one, and aren't going to even suggest you begin interrogating members based on such admittedly flimsy evidence.

It's very easy to do and one screenshot of the screen showing you being attacked is required (not the rather exagerrated claim of one every few seconds....no idea where that came from). The ‘every few seconds’ comment was a rather obscure reference to the fact that we didn’t think it significant at the time to snapshot the PKers. We didn’t envisage that the specifics of this would spark a situation that would threaten to start an all out PKing war in just over a week.

All those people submitted to our PK/ZK list must be accompanied by a screenshot (we don't keep them, but they are needed to get the P/ZKer on the list in the first place). Also fair enough. Without proof, you are promoting anarchy and wasting electrons. A little harsh, but by and large, apt. Nonetheless, I felt it important to pass on what my group members report to me with, just as I daresay your group members do to you ;).

2) <snipped - unrelated> Human Coalition members had systematically gone through the area and overwritten our sprays with pro-Coalition slogans, including revive point notices. So?....are you claiming territory? are others not allowed to spray where you have? Not at all. However, from a wholly pragmatic point of view, in order to get people altered to their desired state most quickly it’s much more helpful for them to know that this is a ‘Brainiac Maintained Revive Point’, rather than ‘Coalition Alpha Site’ (a common spray) or, more recently, ‘The Coalition are coming for you’. Feel free to overwrite uninformative sprays of ours, of course- although I would make a personal request that, unless you intend to claim a specific building, you refrain from spraying over our tags (I personally try to come up with a few unique ones a day, and never reuse them) with generic, oft-repeated Coalition ones. If you want to come up with some more unique slogans and so forth, go crazy :).

3) After one such attack, our wiki page was vandalised. Irrelevant Point. If it was vandalism - report it to the moderators of the Wiki. I've checked through the history on your page there are no edits by Coalition members. (nice 'adoption' of the Professor of Zombology by the way….there is a template for it if you want to use that too =) (check out my user page). The user in question was brand new, stopped off to vandalise our wiki page, and then logged out. Given the timing and the context, it’s reasonable to assume this was the act of a Coalition member, or another particularly motivated zombie attacking Fliney at the time. Who else would go to the trouble to create an account to use once to tell us we had been ‘owned’ at that specific point in time?

Referring to the Zombology thing, I’m so sorry! I had no idea anyone else was using anything like that- I just made it up 'cos I thought the word ‘Zombology’ was a good combination of zombie and –ology. If it bothers you at all, I’ll happily change my title- believe me, I know how much it sucks and how convenient it seems when someone just happens to come up with the same idea as you.

4) Several days later, Coalition members repeatedly made use of the radio at Fliney to broadcast messages regarding their domination of Miltown , and then failed to reset the radio to its original frequency. Errrmmm….so? It's a Radio….anyone can use them once they are setup. (NB The Coalition have never claimed to Dominate Miltown….only claimed to live there…which is true after all). True. My main grievance was that they were broadcasting pro-Coalition propaganda, proclaiming how secure their dominance of Miltown was (which is plainly annoying AND goes against your group ethos), and then failed to reset the radio to its original frequency (which is impolite).

5) OMG AXE and Lallander got rather annoyed at 1), 2), 3), and 4), and attacked and killed a few human Coalition members- I think one each? Axe also smashed a generator and Radio Transmitter at Finnerty when he found Coalition members there. So without following our Groups standing request to report PK attacks. Without even communicating with us to find out what was going on...your members decided to PK our human players? That places them, quite correctly, on our list of PKers and opens them up to retribution. (currently they have been left off that list pending resolution of this outstanding issue). Quite- believe me I’m not exactly overjoyed with their actions either. For a group that’s meant to stand for rational discussion, that was abominable. As stated earlier, you have every right to defend yourself and take action against those who’ve wronged you- by all means eats their brains, come into Fliney and smash our stuff as proportional retribution. My main grievance here was that the extensive, indiscriminate nature of your retaliation negatively impacted many people who weren’t even aware that anyone had been PKed. But, by the same token, your group PKed several of our members without officially contacting us. Continuing in the direction of our new truce, though, it seems sensible to just leave the whole sticky mess behind us and have both groups agree not to seek any further ‘retribution’ in future.

6) Fliney got smashed, all Brainiacs killed, and 'Tit for Tat' scrawled on the wall. As a side note, I was under the impression that 'tit for tat' was meant to indicate proportional retribution- which would have been destroying our radio and generator and then telling us why. I have talked to the member involved in this. The radio and generator were smashed, the tag sprayed and that was it. -No one was killed-. If you have a screenshot of him PKing I would like to see it (mainly because if he has lied to me it will have different consequences to PKing)(it is PKing, not retribution we are talking about too...your guys weren't on the list at that point and were therefore not open for 'Retribution'). If, however, your people were later killed by zombies, that’s their own problem. Once again, no screenshot. But, unlike the earlier much vaguer scenarios, this one seems much more plausible- ‘cades were lowered for retribution to be served and ferals took advantage of it- and if you’ve directly spoken to one of your members about the incident and he swears to have not PKed anyone, then I believe him as much as you do.

I snipped the rest of this because it can largely be summed up as "We(the Brainiacs) made a mistake, you(The Coalition) overreacted - lets start anew". I whole-heartedly agree. Hear here :).

A couple of points to kick off with:

- The Coalition do not claim territory. In fact (if you dig through the archives of the Miltown main and talk pages) we are avidly against any claim to resources or territory in Miltown. I wasn’t aware of this, but I shall delve through the Miltown pages in the near future- I really need to acquaint myself with the history of this suburb on principle alone.

- Sprays are temporary, Radios are for anyone to use. Yes, on the condition that ‘useful’ sprays should be maintained and, if you use a radio you didn’t set up, particular in a building clearly being used by other survivors, you reset the frequency afterwards. If you agree to these, our Lab is your Lab :).

- We are against generators in resource buildings (as the lights attracts zombies) and may well destroy them if found there (clearly stated on our Group page). This is probably the only issue we have an ideological disagreement on- I note in particular you’re against the powering of Necrotech Buildings. On our group page you will see that we are in no way affiliated with Necrotech- we’re just short of well-equipped Labs to work in since the Quarantine. A few days ago I wouldn’t have bought a single word of the ‘generators significantly increase the risk of zombie attacks’ business, but with the map changes I will concede that they now pose a risk. Once again, I think a policy of common courtesy applies here. Besides the fact everyone knows where we’re based, I’m sure you can see that we’d consider it rude if one of your members was at Fliney and wanted a safe place to sleep, so decided to smash the generator to kill the lights. By the same token, we won’t set up generators in any buildings in which Coalition members are sleeping, other than resources buildings which convey an enormous advantage when powered and are generally agreed as being unsuitable for sleeping in anyway. For a good summary of the kind of buildings we consider ‘Useless’ and, by extension, good safehouses, check our Barricade Policy. Any feedback on it would be great too.

- If you have a problem with a Coalition member - come talk to us first. We're always open to reasoned discourse. Back at’cha, names reversed :).

- Also, be wary of your wiki editing. Additional content is always welcome, but don't overwrite someone else’s contribution with your own - That's vandalism and frowned upon by all. It's happened a couple of times already, but we have let it slide so far. Further occurrences will be reported as Vandalism to the Moderators. If you have a problem with a contribution use the talk page to highlight it (also worth pointing it out on the talk page of the contributor so that he/she is sure to see it and respond). (Note: since this is our groups own page, I can snip and edit how I like *8-). Fair enough- I can think of… two? Maybe three? Situations where I’ve done this and the majority were grammatical edits- no offence, but some of the spelling and grammar on the Miltown history is appalling. Writing yourselves into the history books on every other building seems contrary to claims against claiming territory to- perhaps we could club our heads together and write a complete, cohesive history of Miltown? I’m not too sure about the group pages editing policies, but as it’s after 1am and I can’t find a source I guess I’ll let you off ;). I guess there’s always History, and I tend to obsessively log anything of value anyway ;).

- There is a revive policy in Miltown. The Department of De/Res is always open for business (though they only respond to requests). See The Coalition group page for more information. That’s your revive/kill policy, which we respect. By extension, I request you consider Tickle Crescent to be an alternative revive ‘policy’ which we follow. Although we don’t request you do anything to actively support it, please don’t make running it any harder than it needs to be- I seem to be the only trained Scientist in Miltown and my syringes keep mysteriously disappearing ;).

- The PK/ZK list on the Coalition group page is a list of known proven PKers/ZKers. Feel free to contribute to the list by sending in screenshots of offenders to the po_box email addy. Also feel free to punish those listed. Another excellent example of common ground- from now on we’ll report any PKs to you to help maintain your list, for the benefit of all Miltowners.

In conclusion, science, brains, and miscellaneous delicious non-meaty snacks on small sticks all round! I’m happy to start discussing in detail any policies, suggestions etc now that we've got this unpleasant situation resolved with a minimum of fuss. Once again, thanks for your rapid and considered response to the situation. FOR SCIENCE!!- Deevyde 01:15, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Rather than constantly referring back to different points in the text, I've just put the original post in italics and all my additions in bold. Saves time and wearing out the middle wheel on my mouse =)

Hey there everyone! Here's a rough timeline of what seems to have been happening, from all the information available to me, over the last few days. And no, we can't prove any of this- we don't habitually take screenshots of our browsers every few seconds ;) :

1)Two of our members were attacked, but not killed by, human Coalition members. No reason was given for this unprovoked aggression.
Can you provide names of the culprits?
Did you confirm they were Coalition members by looking at the member list on our Group page? (It's worth noting that there have been reportings of non-Coalition members claiming our tag - "BRAINS I WANT BRAINS" and "Parrot Thames" to name two - both of which you are free to PK all you like =)
If you have been to our group page you must have also noticed that we don't stand for PKing (especially from our own members) and we maintain a list of all those proven to transgress this simple rule.
For us to begin investigations we do require a screenshot.
It's very easy to do and one screenshot of the screen showing you being attacked is required (not the rather exagerrated claim of one every few seconds....no idea where that came from).
All those people submitted to our PK/ZK list must be accompanied by a screenshot (we don't keep them, but they are needed to get the P/ZKer on the list in the first place).
Without proof, you are promoting anarchy and wasting electrons.

2) <snipped - unrelated> Human Coalition members had systematically gone through the area and overwritten our sprays with pro-Coalition slogans, including revive point notices.
So?....are you claiming territory? are others not allowed to spray where you have?

3) After one such attack, our wiki page was vandalised.
Irrelevant Point. If it was vandalism - report it to the moderators of the Wiki.
I've checked through the history on your page there are no edits by Coalition members.
(nice 'adoption' of the Professor of Zombology by the way….there is a template for it if you want to use that too =) (check out my user page).

4) Several days later, Coalition members repeatedly made use of the radio at Fliney to broadcast messages regarding their domination of Miltown , and then failed to reset the radio to its original frequency.
Errrmmm….so? It's a Radio….anyone can use them once they are setup. (NB The Coalition have never claimed to Dominate Miltown….only claimed to live there…which is true after all).

5) OMG AXE and Lallander got rather annoyed at 1), 2), 3), and 4), and attacked and killed a few human Coalition members- I think one each? Axe also smashed a generator and Radio Transmitter at Finnerty when he found Coalition members there.
So without following our Groups standing request to report PK attacks. Without even communicating with us to find out what was going on...your members decided to PK our human players?
That places them, quite correctly, on our list of PKers and opens them up to retribution. (currently they have been left off that list pending resolution of this outstanding issue).

6) Fliney got smashed, all Brainiacs killed, and 'Tit for Tat' scrawled on the wall. As a side note, I was under the impression that 'tit for tat' was meant to indicate proportional retribution- which would have been destroying our radio and generator and then telling us why.
I have talked to the member involved in this. The radio and generator were smashed, the tag sprayed and that was it.
-No one was killed-
If you have a screenshot of him PKing I would like to see it (mainly because if he has lied to me it will have different consequences to PKing)(it is PKing, not retribution we are talking about too...your guys weren't on the list at that point and were therefore not open for 'Retribution').
If, however, your people were later killed by zombies, that’s their own problem.

Note from The Coaition to The Coalition (and anyone else who cares to read it)

Well it looks as though no progress is being made in pushing for a peaceful Miltown.

The Philosophe Knights and The Brainiacs are now working together (or have been all along) in their PKing operation against The Coalition and Miltown in general.

What I can't figure out is why they are bothering....have they not read our group philosophy?

While we provide a service to the suburb as a whole in the maintaining of a list of those who PK or ZK, it is not as if members of the Coalition are actually bothered by which state they find themselves in when they wake up. (Personally I welcome the variation - It adds a nice element of excitement).

Rewarding those on the PK/ZK list is an entirely voluntary service, though I recommend it to all in the Miltown area.

I write on behalf of the Philosophe Knights and of the suburb of Miltown. Now Miltown and the surrounding suburbs have returned to the ordinary state of zombie versus human. Our friends (we hope that soon they shall be mutual), the Brainiacs, have been able to continue to pursue their scientific goals without interference. I ask then for you to finally shake hands with Deevyde and to recognize his group as a good and worthy Miltown organization. I wish for your living members to live with the Brainiacs without conflict and for your dead ones to eat brains with satisfaction. There is no longer cause for anger.

There are few of your members alive and the Brainiacs are safe from humans, we have accomplished the goal for which we came. We now intend to leave the future fight between zombies and survivors up to the Brainiacs and their other allies. You need not see us as friends, but it is necessary for you to embrace the Brainiacs. If you want to continue our struggle, I invite you to join us at the location of our future operations. I will gladly tell you where we are going.

Please be reasonable, we have and have always strove to be so. Thank you, M 00:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

In other words, you give up because you have finally realised that Coalition members really don't care whether they are alive or undead (last check-in has it at just over a third alive, though not all by choice). Your supposedly successful campaign has achieved nothing more than waste ammo (and get your profiles listed for all to see =).

The Coalition have never had a problem with other groups visiting or deciding to stay in Miltown, be they survivor or zombie. We do have a problem with PKers though, and the Brainiacs showed themselves to be your true allies in this from their first moments in Miltown, and as your allies they can only be treated as PKers should be.

Should the Brainiacs decide to turn from this path back to the scholarly pursuits of their past, then a peace may be reached. We will not, however, compromise on our Accords or the points listed in the discussions with them on this page.

I suppose if you want to construe my words and pretend to read into my mind... It is true that the Philosophe Knights are not very skilled in the art of killing zombies.

But, I must advise you of one fact: the Philosophe Knights are not a strictly Pker group. You are one of the few who think so, but most other groups recognize our status as a true survivor group.

You may hate us as much as you want, but that doesn't mean that you can hate the Brainiacs. They wanted us to help them because of our ideals (and I am not referring to the Pkin ones), not our ways of playing them out.

If you could supply me with a way of contacting a more reasonable member of your group, I would be much obliged. M 03:28, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Not a PK group? Strange then that you keep PK stats, award points based on other survivors killed, list yourselves as a PK group, and even attest to not being zombie killers in your first sentence.

Not a PK group.......right, okay, if you insist.

The Coalition don't hate anyone. We have only defended ourselves in this conflict.

Based on your inability to keep to the truth, or to post a single message without insulting content, your credibility has now disappeared. Further communications from you or your group on this forum will be removed.

I think it's time you let your Brainiac allies deal with their own problems, I'm sure they are old enough to not need their hands held by you.

Cheers, –Ray Vern phz ^•T 09:20, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

<message from P-Knights removed, as per blatantly obvious statement of intent above> –Ray Vern phz ^•T 22:50, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

<message from P-Knights removed again, as per blatantly obvious statement of intent above. Can they read I wonder?> –Ray Vern phz ^•T

Discussion with The Brainiacs

I snipped the rest of this because it can largely be summed up as "We(the Brainiacs) made a mistake, you(The Coalition) overreacted - lets start anew".
I whole-heartedly agree.

A couple of points to kick off with:
- The Coalition do not claim territory. In fact (if you dig through the archives of the Miltown main and talk pages) we are avidly against any claim to resources or territory in Miltown.
- Sprays are temporary, Radios are for anyone to use.
- We are against generators in resource buildings (as the lights attracts zombies) and may well destroy them if found there (clearly stated on our Group page).
- If you have a problem with a Coalition member - come talk to us first. We're always open to reasoned discourse.
- Also, be wary of your wiki editing. Additional content is always welcome, but don't overwrite someone elses contribution with your own - That's vandalism and frowned upon by all. It's happened a couple of times already, but we have let it slide so far. Further occurances will be reported as Vandalism to the Moderators.
If you have a problem with a contribution use the talk page to highlight it (also worth pointing it out on the talk page of the contributer so that he/she is sure to see it and respond).
(Note: since this is our groups own page, I can snip and edit how I like *8-).

- There is a revive policy in Miltown.
The Department of De/Res is always open for business (though they only respond to requests). See The Coalition group page for more information.

- The PK/ZK list on the Coalition group page is a list of known proven PKers/ZKers. Feel free to contribute to the list by sending in screenshots of offenders to the po_box email addy. Also feel free to punish those listed.

–Ray Vern phz ^•T

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