Talk:The Gingerbread Men

I'm Zaruthustra and I have started a united organization called the Ridleybank Reclamation Forces. It is an organization to help coordinate and organize all efforts to take back ridleybank from those damn dirty zeds. With a united human effort we can stamp out the resistance front menace! Please Join! --Zaruthustra 23:17, 6 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Hey Gingerbread Men

You fought good in Ridley.Great job.Actually we are still there fighting till our last breath.Given to the good job both of our groups have done we would like to make an alliance with you.Send a mail to darthkimbers@hotmail.com.Awaiting your answer.

Liberation of Crossman Department soldier.--Johnny Rico 17:57, 7 Dec 2005 (GMT)

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hey G-men: I second J Rico's assessment above. The RCDC strike team was staging out of Parfit towers next to your warehouse [59,42], and we've capped numerous Zs and rebarricaded you numerous times over the past few days.

We (the RCDC) also would like to ally with ye worthy zombieslayers--drop me a line either direct via wikitalk or at bulgakovurbandead@yahoo.com when you get the chance. solidarity,--Bulgakov 17:47, 10 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Are you, or are you not, going to mention that after actively recruiting other survivor groups to assist your efforts, that you have now foully betrayed these people by deciding that you were 'bored' with the campaign and switching to a zombie group? Another fine initiative, very well done. Magpie 21:19, 22 February 2006 (GMT)

Yes, some of the GBM are becoming Gingerbraaains, so what, its a game, and we havent come up with a press release to post on our page or make a new page since then. Not every GBM is going to become a Gingerbraaain, however, but those who are are becoming zombies for a multitude of reasons, including a change of pace, less b/s to wade through as a zombie, and for some fun. --Myself 20:04, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

The "so what" is that you didn't even bother to tell your ex-allies that you were doing this. We only heard about it because of a member who happens to play with both groups and thought we should know. Recruiting people into an effort and then abandoning it without letting them know is pretty crappy behaviour. I also think that such a self-congratulatory page should at least acknowledge that the leaders of this bold initiative quit on it.--Magpie 22:34, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

OK, you make a valid point, however, our effort was completed. We lasted as long as we could in Ridleybank. 2 weeks. It's not been done before, and probably won't be beaten for awhile. We accomplished OUR goal. If anyone looks at the RRF's site, where we've been posting much of our stuff as Honourable Foes, they will see that we have been hinting towards this for a long time. And it is not like were suddenly all turning zombie and killing our survivor allies. So far, of 46 True Gingerbread Men, only 13 have decided to become Gingarbraaainz. Many of our number are staying as Gingerbread Men, and are continuing the fight in Ridelybank. Only a small number have left, and we are not even currently performing operations in the 'bank. We are near, I am personally just outside Ridleybank, however, we are preparing for a move to another suburb to begin operations. We do not pose a direct threat to any allies for the moment. That may change in the future however. Now, they will not be "foully betrayed", as we are playing a game, it's not like we are performing crimes in real life. Hope this clears it up as much as possible. --Myself 00:52, 2 March 2006 (GMT)

Name Lists

The Gingerbread Men will not publish lists of members in order to cut griefing of our members to a minimum. If you must set this precendent, please think about where this may ultimately lead.

Yes, because we know you would never release another group's namelist for public use, would you? --Laughing Man 00:46, 11 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Also anyone with any sense can get the name list in the wiki history. If you wish to do that I suggest you have the page deleted. As of right now it is fairly non-informative anyway.--Axe-man 00:47, 11 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Yeah, seriously, why is it even here? "u nevr catch us roffles" - Oh, give me a fucking break. This page couldn't be less informative if it was blank, for crying out loud. Also, you do know that the Gingerbread Man was outwitted and eaten alive at the end of the fable, right? The whole "you'll never catch me" thing was his hubris, in that although he could outrun anyone, he was thick as two short planks and died from sheer stupidity. Hurr, yes Mr. Fox, I'll ride in your mouth. Seriously, I keep saying this, but apparently the irony hasn't hit any of you gingerbread losers yet. Oh, and this page sucks. I feel that's worth repeating as well. --Katthew 00:53, 11 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Word out to all RRF members, I don't want any more editing of this page in this fashion. I won't apologize for the member list we posted at the UD board because it's well known to everyone that operations inside of Ridleybank will get profiles and names posted, but we don't do it here. Petrosjko 03:34, 12 Dec 2005 (GMT)

What is the point of this page?

Seriously, it's fucking pointless. --Katthew 00:35, 11 Dec 2005 (GMT)

omg! that is what i said about each page flipping looking thru your baby book. --Flaunted 07:50, 12 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Uh, what? --Katthew 15:39, 12 Dec 2005 (GMT)

I wouldn't say pointless, just lacking. The members of this group who were hiding out in Ridleybank near the edge of Pimbank got a nice surprise when members of the RRF (that middle "R" denoting "Resistance" and not "Reclamation") and various ferals such as myself sniffed out their safehouse and slaughtered a number of them. Alexander West 01:30, 11 Dec 2005 (GMT)

The one thing this page tells us is that the "Gingerbread Men" have 62 members. No other pertinent information whatsoever. It's all "HURR LOOK AT US WE'RE BEING SECRETIVE" shit. Most other pages that consist of three lines of useless, inane text have been deleted. Why? Because they're a fucking waste of space. This page is no different. Anyone actually wanting to look up information on these assholes comes up with this retarded crap. Maybe I should edit in something good. --Katthew 15:39, 12 Dec 2005 (GMT)

if you are not in the group why do you give two shits? put your nose back in the CoL's ass. --Flaunted 18:42, 12 Dec 2005 (GMT)

This group is CoL, or at least some of them are. --Qwako 18:55, 12 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Kat, cool it. The reason those should be deleted and this one shouldn't is that there's 62 people who want it to exist. There's no rule that says groups have to put anything special on their page. If you want to add the NPOV section, feel free.--'STER-Talk-Mod 19:51, 12 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Then maybe one of those 62 people can come up with something a little more imaginative than "Can't find us hurrrrr". Otherwise it just looks stupid. --Laughing Man 21:09, 12 Dec 2005 (GMT)

what do you care? honestly? dont visit the page if you do not like the way it looks. there are plenty of other wiki pages to browse. --Flaunted 00:19, 13 Dec 2005 (GMT)

The whole idea is that the wiki provide information, this page does not do that, and as a member of the wiki they are allowed to comment on that.--Axe-man 00:21, 13 Dec 2005 (GMT)

You must be mentally slow. from that page i gather there is a human group named the gingerbreadmen with 60+ members. sooooo 60+ people must be okay with the page. just worry about yourself. --Flaunted 03:48, 13 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Thats nice, however you must not understand what I'm saying because that still doesn't take away the right of wiki members to voice their opinion on such an uninformative page. I would suggest that they add something or delete their page. I am able to voice my opinion on this because I'm a wiki user. Get over yourself and grow up please.--Axe-man 04:38, 13 Dec 2005 (GMT)

and also the wiki lets user groups make their own pages. which has been done here. if they are large enough to be on the stats list why cant they have their own wiki page? and supply information how they see fit... KTHXBYE. --Flaunted 16:47, 13 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Also: you are indeed allowed to voice your own opinion. We are in turn allowed to tell you why your opinion is wrong. What's more, just because your opinion is that the page should be deleted doesn't mean that it should be. If you really want it dead, put it up on the relevant page and see how the voting goes.--'STER-Talk-Mod 19:40, 13 Dec 2005 (GMT)

You seem to confuse my position. All I've ever said is that Katthew has the right to say this without being flamed. Flaunted is being childish and flaming user pages. The entire POINT OF THIS DISCUSSION is this: Katthew is alliwed to put out her opinion. I don't have stake on it. I simply want more information or at least an NPOV section on it. Really that is all I have ever said. There is no need to attack me with how my opinion is 'wrong.' Being 'wrong' doesn't give users the right to flame others for their opinion. In fact in this case there is no 'right' or 'wrong' the whole issue of the page being completely noninformative is quite valid. I have always said that the group should add content, I don't see why I should be attacked for saying this. Frankly, I shouldn't. To Flaunted, thats nice add content and end the discussion, and drop your childish additude.--Axe-man 21:18, 13 Dec 2005 (GMT)

apparently, that group believes there is enough information on the page for them. MAYBE they are still trying to come up with "cool" witty stories how jesus was really a zombie and they are trying to convert people to their zombie religion. or maybe they are "a man of few words" as for the childish attitude...my points are valid, so na-na-na-na-boo-boo --Flaunted 21:36, 13 Dec 2005 (GMT)

If that is true then don't delete the NPOV section. You can do whatever you want below the NPOV section.--Axe-man 21:59, 13 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Uh, what? --Katthew 21:54, 13 Dec 2005 (GMT)

I personally am not involved with either side of the conflict here, however, 3 paragraphs explaining the opposition to a particular group, posted on that group's page doesn't seem like a very NPOV, especially if you consider that it was basically all that was said about the group, besides the basic information. I don't know what this whole conflict is about, but I assume that because this group is associated with the old CoL they are naturally in conflict with the new CoL. Either way, there isn't much need to say anything besides basic info regarding the group, and the group certainly doesn't have to put any extensive group-pov content if they don't want to. --Daranz|_talk| 22:05, 13 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Well, gee, maybe if the group actually bothered to put information on the page instead of "LAFFO WE'RE RUNNING AWAY" then I wouldn't have to resort to what other groups think of them, would I? Everything I wrote was NPOV, bucko, so step off the retarded edits. If the Gingerbread Men want to make a conscious effort to actually tell people what it is they do, then they're more than welcome to. However, presenting both sides of the story is a must. Notice how every other group ever has its page like that? Oh, wait, you're from Deadscape. Forgot about that, sorry. Let me put it in terms you'd understand: HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

If you want to add information, that's fine. But don't go deleting it just because it's not presenting the group as if they invented blowjobs. --Katthew 22:17, 13 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Oddly enough considering its author, this NPOV section seems perfectly fine and civil to me. Maybe the Gingerbread Men will post something about themselves soon, in the meantime this is okay with me.--'STER-Talk-Mod 22:40, 13 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Whatever the hell "HURRRRR" is supposed to mean (besides the new catchphrase/word/grunt of yours), if you review the article you'll see that it states that

• GM is a survivor group trying to retake ridleybank for unknown reasons (um... is retaking it not reason enough)
• The group is associated witht he old CoL - perhaps the reason why you insist on editing it so much - again, I don't know the situation, as I prefer to stay detached from all the drama constantly generated around CoL and others.
• GM have many enemies
• Humans dislike GM because they dummy barricade
• People dislike the secrecy of the group
• People say that GM are going to fail

There are many other group pages on this wiki that don't contain too much information, beyond a generic intro about the group. If you want examples, here: Elmo Worshippers, Angel aid org, Anti Swiper Coalition. If you look further through the wiki, you'll find that the articles about most of the groups listed on this wiki do not contain negative opinions that some might have regarding these groups. Yet, you insist on doing just that with this group page, and presenting them in negative light under the pretense of using NPOV, esentially changing "they suck" into "they're saying they suck."

Either way, an article that presents information from one point of view (in this case, the groups and people opposed to GM) cannot be considered NPOV as a whole. The article you posted explores, in great depth, the negative things that people have to say about GM, without providing enough neutral information about the group for someone to make their own decision. --Daranz|_talk| 22:46, 13 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Hey maybe if the Gingerbread Men weren't so intent on not saying a fucking word about anything they do, or even if they do anything, then people wouldn't have to rely on what others think of them to make a wiki entry. --Katthew 07:36, 14 Dec 2005 (GMT)

All of your examples contained much more information than you. I've seen all of the claims made on the Urban Dead Forums... I hate forums, but I had to go to them to find information about the group. The fact that the only information is giving by groups other than yours, is not katthews fault and it appears that there is quite a following of people don't like you. The information on barricading appears to the main focus and I don't see where it says it will fail. It just says that the fairy tale you picked had the gingerbreadman fail... which frankly, is funny.--Axe-man 22:52, 13 Dec 2005 (GMT)

I picked what? Um.. I'm not completly clear on what you're trying to say here. Either way, I think it'd be best if a member of GM edited this page to add more information regarding their group, perhaps more infromation that would portray GM in favorable light, to offset all the criticisms that the article talks about right now. Either way, the article seems to POV right now, and it'd be nice to have someone edit it. I'm probably not qualified to do that though. So, I leave it up to the both sides. --Daranz|_talk| 23:06, 13 Dec 2005 (GMT)

As a member of the Gingerbread men, I think that the NPOV that Katthew did is pretty fair, and im fine with having it on the article page. I do have a few small issues with it though:

• "Human groups have disparaged the Gingerbread Men's tactic of dummy barricading - barricading empty buildings to distract zombies from the real safehouse "

I haven�t noticed anyone complaining. None of the other Major groups fighting in ridleybank have complained and I have seen no posts on the forum about this. Barricading a suburb is one of the only ways to make a suburb safe in this game; it makes no sense to me why someone would be mad about us making a suburb safe.

• "Many have become irritated by the Gingerbread Men's obsession with secrecy and downright refusal to give solid answers to simple questions."

Ive only seen opposing groups and Katthew complain about this.

• ."It may allude to the fact that the group does have a sense of humor, but this is unlikely."

Calling us humorless is a bit PoV.

consider this an explanation for the modifications im going to make. --Olhado 23:36, 13 Dec 2005 (GMT)

That's nice, only none of it's true. Maybe if you spent more time paying attention to what people say instead of expecting them to fellate you because you're part of the old CoL, you'd notice. Also, seriously, I've asked you Gingerbread faggots a billion times about the whole "gingerbread man GETS EATEN ALIVE" thing. No replies, and then when I put it on the page you go "AHAHA IT'S IRONY REALLY DESPITE THE FACT IT ISN'T". It's a shitty group name and you know it, but you damn well didn't choose it to be funny. --Katthew 00:28, 14 Dec 2005 (GMT)

I like how 90% of your argument is about the name joke thing. No one aside from you has said that our baracading was a problem. There is no other way to make a suburb safe. Show me a post or a article somewere that has someone (who is in no way affiliated with you) saying our baracading is bad. The baracading issue you made up is my main problem and I could care less about the name issue. --Olhado 01:01, 14 Dec 2005 (GMT)

No, 90% of what I just said was about the name thing because I doubt any one of you goobers is smart enough to have even read the fable in question. Also, again, I ask you to pay fucking attention to what other people say. There are plenty of people I could name right this second who think that barricading Ridleybank is a stupid move, because it makes new players think "OH HEY A SAFEHOUSE" when they're not aware that Ridleybank is 100% zombie territory. You only think it's me because I'm one of the few to actually bother wasting my time talking with you morons. Go to the forum and read some of the posts - and I mean the actual forums, not Deadscape - people there are either rolling their eyes or laughing their asses off. Your group is a joke, a pathetic band of idiots who do nothing but run away from trouble like a bunch of children. Nobody, human or zombie, feels your group is going to be anything more than a greasy smear of a footnote on the RRF's victories.

You want to know the real truth? There is no way to make a suburb safe. Zombies move when they feel bored with the situation. They get shot, they stand up again. They wait patiently and then attack again. In a suburb with low numbers of zombies, sure, you might be able to kill the zombies there enough times for them to think "fuck this" and go find someplace new. It's happened before. But you're attacking Ridleybank here, the one suburb in which a zombie can hang around and feel safe. The home base of a 300+ strong horde. And guess what? They're not going to move on, they're not going to give up, they're going to keep mauling your sorry asses until you're fed up of hanging around revive points and waiting to restart your little game of hide-and seek. Hell, if it was only the RRF you needed to worry about you might have been okay, but you've also got other groups converging on Ridleybank. I'd wager that by January, the place will be swarming with zombies. All the Gingerbread Men have done is give zombies a purpose, a goal, and that goal is to scour Ridleybank of your stupid asses. Seriously, what the fuck did you think was going to happen? You've already lost, you just don't know it yet. --Katthew 01:17, 14 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Actually it is possible to secure the suburb. There is a 70/30 ratio of humans to zombies in the game. That is enough to secure every suburb in malton... --Technerd 1737, 13 Dec 2005 (PST)

ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE! Anyway, you mean that there's enough humans to barricade all the buildings. Unless there's a magical way to move zombies out of a suburb I don't know about. That's vaguely "secure" if you discount the fact there's hundreds of zombies in the suburb. Heck, maybe if we all moved to one suburb it might make the game more like a zombie apocalypse and less like... well, less like what it is. --Katthew 07:36, 14 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Knowing you, I'm sure you're perfectly able to not notice the fact that it was supposed to be physically impossible to hold anything once a respectable horde showed up. Caiger was a big deal because it showed the survivors that zombies could be held off. Sure, ridleybank is a hell of a lot harder--we're playing offesnse instead of defense this time, and the RRF is going to bring its full force down on us. But this is a freaing game. And if attacking a strong enemy in an entrenched position for the good of your species and the world as a whole isn't fun, what is?--Themanwithoutahat 20:16, 14 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Caiger survived because the zombies got bored because for a zombie apocalypse we sure are heavily underpowered and incredibly boring to play. Unless RSI from repeatedly clicking the same buttons day after day makes you orgasm, in which case WOO GO NUTS. But seriously, attacking an enemy within an entrenched position is only fun if you're at least vaguely on par with each other. Since humans can deal out a maximum of 10 damage at 65% to hit, and zombies can deal out a maximum of 4 damage at 30% to hit... yeah, that kind of really fucking sucks. I'm not even going to get into the retarded barricade hit percentages, the inability to communicate effectively, the dire lack of decents skills, the vast irritation that is Headshot, the stupidly unbalanced health levels, the sheer unplayability of low-level zombies or the simple fact that levelling up solo as a zombie is next to impossible. This would be a "freaking game" from the human perspective, albeit a horribly repetitive Everquest grind wherein you repeat the same actions day in and day out for what ultimately amounts to nothing. For zombies, the only vague satisfaction we get out of playing is when we piss off humans. Because let's face it: if you were playing against an enemy that was not only innately superior to you in every way, but also outnumbered you 7:3 and had the capability to null weeks worth of play instantly... you'd find it hilarious to piss them off at any given opportunity. But no, let's forget that a level 1 Private can do as more damage at the same hit rate as level 20+ zombie. Let's forget that it takes five zombies for every one human barricading to even things out. Let's forget that there are more people with Headshot than zombies at the moment. Because hey, if being the pathetic, underpowered, outnumbered underdog that seemingly only exists for the use and entertainment of the all-powerful Aryan Master Race isn't fun, what is? --Katthew 20:51, 14 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Hey, let's make up math, won't that be fun! 4 at 30% isn't the max, 3 at 50% is, as you must know by now. You know this already, just like every other serious player, but to make it obvious, that works out for 1.5 DPA, which when searching for ammo is taken into account is higher than the pistol, which is itself higher than the shotgun. Zombies have better damage abilities, they have perfectly good communication channels--they're called "forums," and most importantly THEY CAN'T DIE. Humans had never won anything before Caiger for just these reasons. Humans are so unbalanced in terms of pure numbers because most newbies are humans, and newbies aren't going to be at the hotspots because they don't know, or don't care, or don't have the skills. You wanna take a census of Chudleyton and Darvall Heights right now and tell me humans outnumber zombies there now, let alone before the RRF left? People disliked SA when they organized the hordes for the first time, and now that humans have been forced to be completely organized in response for survival you cry for nerfing?--Themanwithoutahat 22:52, 14 Dec 2005 (GMT)

I said the maximum amount of damage, so apparently 3 is higher than 4 now. Although, hey, I guess it makes more sense to use a weaker attack if it's 20% more likely to hit. High-level humans don't really have that problem, though. And searching for ammo! Searching for ammo! It sure takes up millions of AP to search for ammo! Surely can't be as much AP spent repeatedly standing up, attacking barricades and searching for people to attack! Also, since when are forums part of the game? When the players themselves have to expend time and effort to make the game fun, that's what we in the business call "utter shit". Like it or not, everything is heavily biased in favour of humans. There are entire suburbs where you can stay outside overnight, the only thing to worry about being PKers. But I guess having lots of zombies in 2% of the map that can be easily avoided sure makes up for that!

So, let's review: Humans have to spend AP searching for ammo, but zombies have to spend even more AP searching for humans. Zombies have the forums to communicate, but not everybody uses the forums and having to rely on stuff outside the game to play properly is ridiculous. Zombies can't die, but a single human can not only effectively stop a zombie from achieving anything but also remove days worth of achievement easily. Humans whine constantly about how they are barely surviving and zombies don't need to be stronger, but over three quarters of the map is almost completely zombie free.

The way I see it, if SA hadn't "organised the hordes" this game would be even shittier for zombies than it already is. But hey they don't die so that makes their horrifyingly difficult and irritating struggle to find one iota of enjoyment in this never-ending grind perfectly fine! Let's go suggest nerfing Infectious Bite because it's unfair!! --Katthew 10:31, 15 Dec 2005 (GMT)

...That stuff actually makes sense. I think I might be wrong. That's...worrying, when it's you I'm arguing against.--Themanwithoutahat 20:26, 15 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Yeah, because I'm Katthew and I'm always wrong about everything and I'm from SA so how could I possibly know anything about Urban Dead?! Do you even pay attention to anything I say, or do you just assume I'm an arrogant, stubborn bitch who's all stupid opinions and insults just because Ludwig keeps saying I am? --Katthew 03:45, 16 Dec 2005 (GMT)

KATTHEW GROW THE FUCK UP AND LEAVE THEM BE. TAKE YOUR NOSE OUT OF THIS PAGE AND STICK YOUR HEAD BACK UP YOUR ASS. --Flaunted 02:52, 14 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you... Flaunted. --Katthew 03:32, 14 Dec 2005 (GMT)

you dont own me, so therefore you cannot give me away. --Flaunted 04:25, 14 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Laffo. --Katthew 07:36, 14 Dec 2005 (GMT)

"OOh" and "aah"? --ALIENwolve 03:59, 14 Dec 2005 (GMT)

More "Ugh" and "damn" and "Jesus Christ what's that" - think Alabama circus freakshow and you're not far off. --Katthew 07:36, 14 Dec 2005 (GMT)

I'm just sad there are people playing this game who are immature enough to listen to someone this puerile and moronic.--Themanwithoutahat 20:16, 14 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Well hopefully Flaunted will stop posting soon. --Katthew 20:51, 14 Dec 2005 (GMT)

KATTHEW, you got what you wanted. Please stop your bitching about the "lack" of info on this page and take your discussion about the game mechanics somewhere else. If it reverts to a lack of info, then come on back and discuss things civily. FLAUNTED - quite being an immature asshole. Let Katthew have her opinion, even if it is overly heated. Axe-Man is one of the few reasonable voices on this page. Thank you. --Shadows 21:37, 14 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Conversations can go elsewhere, you know. Or do you demand people leave the room if they stray off the original topic at hand? Seems kind of inane to me. --Katthew 21:41, 14 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Surely there's a more useful and higher traffic area to hold a real discussion about the mechanics of the game than a random user group's talk page. Seems kind of inane to me. --Shadows 21:52, 14 Dec 2005 (GMT)

It's not like everyone else who plays as zombie hasn't said exactly the same things over and over again. I'm really at a loss as to why I have to explain this shit to people, especially when they come up with the most retarded responses that don't even take into account elementary fact. Or, apparently, elementary mathematics. --Katthew 10:31, 15 Dec 2005 (GMT)

She does have a point about zombies, though. Though boring, I'm gonna have to reclaim my zombie alt to help with thier cause.--Shadows 00:47, 16 Dec 2005 (GMT)

ZING! --Flaunted 22:19, 14 Dec 2005 (GMT)

BOTH OF YOU, JUST STOP IT! I dunno whether you have ALREADY stopped, but this is turning into a flame war! --Aimee Lee 02:30, 29 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Okay y'all, this is getting a little off topic, no? As a gingerbread man myself, with an ALT, I take interest in the goings on of what people think of us and our wiki page. I also take interest in the logical and honest opinions of those here. HOWEVER, I do not like that this is becoming a flame war between the people here, ON OUR DISCUSSION PAGE OF A GROUP WIKI ENTRY. You fellows can have your opinions, and state them here, however, I personally dont want the flaming and bashing to occur here. Take your issues somewhere else if you may.--Myself 01:20, 11 Jan 2006 (GMT)

Well, the last post other than Aimee Lee's was something like three weeks ago. I don't think you have too much to worry about, you know? -- James Holloway 01:44, 11 Jan 2006 (GMT)

Former/Original CoL

SLA - The group is known as the original Council of Leaders. Former is improper usage in this context. You know full well that your edits are not going to be well received, please stop this trolling. --Daxx 15:42, 14 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Daxx, to be honest, I don't know too many people who agree with you these days. As far as I can tell, the old CoL members aren't even listing themselves as such - you all are Gingerbread Men or 'Sards anyway. And there is a new CoL leadership, like it or not. And as for being well received, I suppose that's in the eye of the beholder, isn't it? -- SLA 15:49, 14 Dec 2005 (GMT)

I'm sorry to say that there are a great number of people who will never accept the NeoCoL as anything but the sum of its parts. There was never any basis for reforming the CoL, we have been as active throughout our history as we are now. The Gingerbread Men, our units at Caiger etc. all predate the formation of the NeoCoL; arguments that we were inactive just don't hold water, I'm afraid.

To respond to your other points, going by the names of the units we're in is hardly a crime, and you're not that much of an idiot to not realise I was referring to the Gingerbread Men when I was talking about reception - I give you more credit than that. --Daxx 18:24, 14 Dec 2005 (GMT)

It's no secret that there are SA members/supporters of the current CoL (as opposed to the former CoL) currently in the Gingerbread Men. Just thought it was worth noting for those not paying attention. As for your comments, Daxx, I do disagree with you, but I hold nothing against you personally. -- SLA 19:57, 14 Dec 2005 (GMT)

I will agree with you that it's impossible to stop people putting it in their profiles. What's your point? If they follow orders then they're following us. If they don't, well, that doesn't diminish what we're doing in any way. We're going to keep going as we always have done, and help people. If the NeoCoL want to oppose us in that, the only way to stop us is to PK us. If they don't want to stop us helping people, we will ignore them - they bear no relevance. Most of the stuff that's said around here is just blowing hot air, it doesn't compare to getting out there and actually doing something. No-one cares about the name thing. No-one cares that we're secretive (aren't all groups?). It's just our friendly neighborhood attention whores, making a song and dance because they're out of the limelight for a split second. --Daxx 20:09, 14 Dec 2005 (GMT)

As opposed to claiming to want to retake Ridleybank... which is neither a grab for attention, nor a wish to appear active. Really, could we spare everyone the pseudo-intellecual insults for just a little while. Since the "gingerbread men" are the new "taskforce" or whatever spin you wish to put on it. Doesn't mean a user can't have a valid assertion that this is basically "former CoL." You have no evidence to assert your claims as such and frankly, user SLA has every right to connect the dots and come to a logical conclusion, in fact if SLA wants to she could add a section specifically addressing the issue. Also long as both sides are NPoV there is no reason why this shouldn't be part of the discussion.--Axe-man 11:16, 15 Dec 2005 (GMT)

And therein lies the error of your logic. Calling them "former" is completely biased and PoV. It's propaganda, pure "New CoL" BS that this guy is trying to use our page to promote. Sorry, no. Also--just because taking ridley is hard, you assume we think we can't do it? I'm sorry to hear you believe difficult tasks shouldn't be undertaken, but we don't.--Themanwithoutahat 20:20, 15 Dec 2005 (GMT)

And that is were you misunderstand me. The whole reason I put "former CoL" in quotes is because I was quoting her. I already said the term should be made NPoV and allow discussion for it. As it is, the first comment was simply to put a stop to this flaming of the "New CoL", I don't see how saying that this is the current group is the "old CoL" is promoting the "New Col" or that it is propaganda. It is a valid assertion. If supported in a NPOV discussion it should be allowed.--Axe-man 21:07, 15 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Responding to Daxx... I have Gingerbread Men in my profile because I have an active character in the current GM safehouse, alive and well -- and not covertly either. My main point here is that I think it's disingenious for former CoL members to be using the GM as a way to prove the old CoL is still alive and kicking. The GM is a new group, that's it. As far as the "name thing" I think it does matter, because as far as I can tell, there is only one group actively doing anything as CoL and that's the new leadership. I know the former leadership wants to retain the title but for the life of me I don't see why... they haven't done anything as CoL in a long time now. So move on, turn the reigns over to someone who cares.--SLA 21:25, 15 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Daxx isn't even in the CoL anymore because he sold his characters and quit the game because apparently college means you have to give up pretending to be a policeman with a mysterious past who bones underage Irish girls on the internet. Seriously, Daxx, you said you quit FOREVER only a short while ago. Just like Ludwig, actually, which kind of explains why you're back. --Katthew 22:45, 15 Dec 2005 (GMT)

"...as far as I can tell..." Exactly. Guess what? You're not omniscient. Just because you haven't seen the CoL, doesn't mean they're not there. They're far from "former." They have been doings things as the CoL for a long while now, and they made the deadly, for a ruler, mistake of hiding themselves--deadly because it invites pretenders. The classic CoL is here, has been for a long time, and will be long after SA gets bored with its latest bit of mischief and moves on. The Gingerbread Men are not even truly a group, but rather an operation, a temporary grouping of CoL-affiliated forces that are themselves actually parts of many other groups--like the CoL units that were present at Caiger. Oh right, you want people to believe those didn't exist.--Themanwithoutahat 19:50, 16 Dec 2005 (GMT)

The Gingerbread Men, while they are partialy comprised of COL affiliates, is actually a group unto itself. Its members are voluntary. The group has attracted many groups and freelancers from outside the COL. The goals of The Gingerbread Men are not necessarily those of the COL, and The Gingerbread Men wish to remain politicaly neutral (unlike the COL). Their main goal right now is the defense of Ridleybank. For these reasons, they can't really be considered COL affiliated.--Shadows 05:51, 18 Dec 2005 (GMT)

If they want to help with the -defense- of Ridleybank, they'll need to get their brains a bit eaten. Ridleybank is RRF country, and beyond a minor service interruption while we were out at the Caiger, remains so. The Gingerbread Men are bloody-handed invaders, albeit polite ones who have agreed to forgo headshotting inside of Ridleybank, with the exception of a provided target list of our senior members whom they can headhunt at will as 'zombie lords'. For this, they have our deepest respect. The rest of the political bullshit concerns us not at all. Petrosjko 21:24, 18 Dec 2005 (GMT)

I guess it depends on who's side you're looking at the issue from. Technically, the GBM are trying to stake claim to Ridleybank for the survivors. By the way, it's nice to see such goodwill between the two groups.--Shadows 03:35, 19 Dec 2005 (GMT)

'Stake a claim', you Manifest Destiny bastards... Petrosjko 07:33, 19 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Looks like even Aussies (among others) have been Americanized. XD --Shadows 02:21, 21 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Edits

I have done my best to clean this page, while preserving the POVs as stated and only altering organization and a few bits of sentence structure (and the removal of a few random photos, I think inserted to mock the group in question - that should be acceptable to clean, I believe?). It's not my place to enter the discussion as it exists, as I am not a party to either side, but I figured the page could use a revamp. --Drakkenmaw 19:03, 14 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Cheers Drak. --Daxx 20:10, 14 Dec 2005 (GMT)

The photos were created by members of the Gingerbread Men themselves. But thank you for deleting what you thought was added for mockery. They were just having some fun with the game and the RRF on a forum thread and the pictures got added here. --Luci 03:35, 15 Dec 2005 (GMT)

TBH, (and sorry Squidge mate) I didn't really think those pics were appropriate anyway. Far too large, for one thing. Maybe we can get some better ones up later. --Daxx 12:53, 23 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Candyland: Thanks for the Candy!

The Imperial War Machine Tips thier helmets to The Gingerbread Men for thier succesful Liberation and . . . Renaming of RiddleyBank. When I saw the new map I was Lauging for 10 minutes. Now you guys, have style--Duce Nauks 20:56, 7 Feb 2006 (GMT)

Hey there, I'm a tourist but Barrville was a bit too zombie-infested and unsafe. I had to run into the powdered-sugar beds of Candyland to hole up for a quick nap. I was lulled to sleep by the sounds of RRF zombies clawing ineffectually at the cades. Thanks for building all those gingerbread houses! Finally, a burb of Malton that's safe for humans! --Tycho44 00:48, 8 Feb 2006 (GMT)

Such nice kind words, aww, thank you! --Myself 02:05, 10 Feb 2006 (GMT)

Well done Ram and the active GBM. I hope you can keep Petrosjko, the RRF and the zombie hords under control Talos 20:04, 17 February 2006 (GMT)

Ram Rock Ed First

Woo, calm there tiger, I'm not a Zombie Spy(tm), I just accidentally bought brain rot when the server farted, and I'm hiding out in canyland until I can get enough Xp to buy some more skills. Please relax, I'm no spy. If you do not check the wiki, please, someone, e-mail this to him. MaulMachine 03:05, 13 Feb 2006 (GMT)

Greetings Gingerbread Men

I would like to speak to your group about a planned assault on a common enemy, in this up coming week. My organization was extremely impressed with your Candyland exploits, and would love to pool our respective talents, so this impending strike. Please let me know. CYossarain13:35, 8 April 2006 (GMT)

Now this would be difficult since the general reply we're giving people who want to join the GBM is this:

We're currently on Vacation from EVERYTHING. We've hooked up with the cool survivors from Malton Tours Inc. As a Live group of Tourists, reverting back to our more Gingerbread Man nature.

There's also the matter that as Gingerbraaains we aren't just your average Zombie group. We play the meta game. By that we mean, when we are alive we party like nothing whilst occasionally, well almost always, crowbarring barricades and FAK'ing our Zed comrades when they break in etc! But of this current moment we are extremely loyal to Malton Tours Inc. We're hanging out with them,.. and when push comes to shove these Survivors will be spared while we're Zombified.

So these two points need to be addressed as well as the fact that we are out to have fun more then just killing stuff as we've done that, most of us, for 9 or so months now and it does get boring. The RPGing aspect of the group is what is keeping alot of us still playing UD as a whole. You can check our WIKI on that.

So I'm sending you this stuff wondering if you still want to join up, if not, and you wants a good solid zombie group to join, the RRF would gladly welcome another hoard member to wreck Malton like no other.

I can assure you that we'll be reverting to our more Zombish ways soon,.. tearing limbs, eating brains, you know the drill... screaming: G!NGARBRAAA!NZ!!! while we're at it.. But as of now we're survivors.

If you're still listening, and craving for our RPG/Meta game we're more than obliged to welcome you amongst us..

with kind regards, Galliminus, the Gingerbraaain Cheerleader and Ram Rock Ed First our one and only Gingerbraaain Leader.--Vykos 19:12, 8 April 2006 (BST)

Regarding the Revive Point in West Becktown

Greetings my fine sweetbread survivors. I am Rip Purr, a leader and representative of Justice Inc, who are situated in West Becktown. On a run from Caiger I noticed you have set up a revive point at Curle St PD. Or at least, there is spraypaint saying as much. We at JI have an established revive point at Pullin Square, which is registered with the CDF revive tool and also happens to be right next door to Curle St PD. I don't mean to quibble, but our point has been there for a while now, with marked success. I was wondering if you wouldn't mind changing your revive point and sharing ours at Pullin Square. We certainly do not mind sharing the area with you, but we had a considerable amount of confusion in the past, when we first entered the suburb. You see, there were about 5 poorly run RPs, and we've managed to conglomerate those helping out into this one point. Please think over our request. We mean no ill will. May the rock be with you fine men and women. Rip purr 10:06, 19 April 2006 (BST)

I apologise sir, but as far as I know, we dont have any pemrinent revive points, as most of us have become the The Gingerbraaains and no longer need them, however, it could have been from our recent escapades with Maton Tours Inc, or possibly from long ago or from copy cats. Myself 20:31, 22 April 2006 (BST)

I believe that grafitti is from before our second assault on Ridleybank. --Technerd 21:11, 4 May 2006 (BST)