Template talk:Trps

Revision?

I have several concerns with this template.

• It's an inefficient use of horizontal space on the suburb pages.
• Fire Stations aren't TRPs, nor are Revive Points or Bulletin Boards. (I'm not saying that these latter locations shouldn't be featured prominently on the burb pages, but let's put them in the right place.)
• For the space they take up, they add only slightly more information than is already present in other templates on the suburb pages.

Is there any support for revising it to address only actual TRPs? Also, I'd like to see each TRP box stretch out for the whole row, and include the following information.

Building Type	Name	X,Y	Barricade Level	Powered?	Ransacked?	Last Update
Auto Repair	The Herman Building	24,26	VS	No	No	Ragged Robin 08:28, 2 April 2007 (BST)
Factory	The Herman Building	24,26	VS	No	No	Ragged Robin 08:28, 2 April 2007 (BST)
Hospital	The Herman Building	24,26	VS	No	No	Ragged Robin 08:28, 2 April 2007 (BST)
	The Herman Building	24,26	VS	No	No	Ragged Robin 08:28, 2 April 2007 (BST)
Mall	none
Necrotech	The Herman Building	24,26	VS	No	No	Ragged Robin 08:28, 2 April 2007 (BST)
Police Department	The Herman Building	24,26	VS	No	No	Ragged Robin 08:28, 2 April 2007 (BST)

i second the motion to revise the template, as Fire Stations are pretty useless indeed and having lists of them, but not lists of factories (for example) is wrong. it indeed needs to be uptodate with what is on TRP. However, your "status report lines" idea is awful, there only should be lists here. --~~~~ [talk] 21:43, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Why mention fire stations and not bulletin boards? Ive still found some unsprayed. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 21:46, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm for:

1. removing Fire Stations
2. adding factories
3. maybe adding auto repairs too
4. not touching anything else

--~~~~ [talk] 21:48, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Factories are a bonus, definately. Would you consider all multi block buildings? Power stations, zoo's etc? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 21:51, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

oh... yes... that would be good i guess... modifying Mall section into "lagre structures"?.. --~~~~ [talk] 22:09, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Status of the TRPs!

I suggest that this template uses Template:Status, rather than putting Wiki links into a list.

Firstly, it would make finding out the status of the building easier to locate. Assuming, of course, that the Danger Reports were updated frequently.

It would also cut down on the amount of building links that lead to disambiguation pages. (For example, I stumbled upon one today whilst looking at St. Odile's Hospital.)

It is bolder, which means it would stand out more than the template does at the moment.

For a version of the template using Template:Status alongside those currently being used, see this page.

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Rahrah^{Come join the #party!}23:31, 23 October 2009 (BST)

One thing at a time. Althought the status reporters created danger reports for the BIC centres they didn;t actually put all the danger reports on the relevant pages how can people edit them? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 10:44, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I see what you mean. I'll sort that out now. --Rahrah^{Come join the #party!}10:58, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I have found the source of this problem. This bot made the danger reports but didn't put them on the pages. I'm using its contributions page to do so. --Rahrah^{Come join the #party!}11:29, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Although the ones by BulkUpdatesBot that arent on the pages aren't the TRPs represented by this template. All Hospitals, Necrotechs, PDs, FSs and Malls are accounted for. Therefore, there should be no problems with this template. Although the Danger Reports still need doing. --Rahrah^{Come join the #party!}13:03, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

The bot created all reports some time back with the intent of making everything in the right form at and to see what pages would actually get used. There's a plan to submit the underused reports for A/SD, though there's some issues with a deletion request on this scale. At any rate, I would recommend you don't add reports to pages blindly, as that'll just make more work when somebody has to remove them.

All that said however, you should be safe to apply the automated template on TRPs, as those won't get deleted. --  RoosterDragon  15:31, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Another version of the template, with Factories replacing Fire Statios, ARs replacing Bulletin boards and RPs removed. See the earlier link. --Rahrah^{Come join the #party!}16:31, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

My only issue with this is the status reporters themselves, very blocky. Can we not make them rounded or something? The little green blocks would look much better like traffic lights? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 16:55, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Overall I like the idea, but I think the locations of bulletin boards and RPs still need to be up there somewhere. Otherwise I think it's a great improvement (especially if people start updating status reports more often), and definitely approve of removing FS and adding factories. --Maverick ^{Talk - OBR 404} 05:43, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Remember the aesthetic look of the template. Hagnat had all colors aligned nicely - red fire stations with pink hospitals, dark blue Necrotech buildings with light blue police departments. Removing fire stations would mess up the delicate harmony of the layout.

I propose adding factories and auto repairs together, since they already have matching dark gray/light gray colors, and remove nothing. Like this:

Fire Stations {{{FSs}}}	Hospitals {{{Hs}}}
NecroTech Facilities {{{NTs}}}	Police Departments {{{PDs}}}
Factories {{{Fs}}}	Auto Repair Shops {{{ARs}}}
Malls {{{Malls}}}	Bulletin Boards unknown
Revive Points {{{RPs}}}

The idea of adding auto-update status reports is also nice. One problem though, I don't think they'll be used enough. Sure, NTs will be most frequently updated. And after them, hospitals and PDs. But I don't think we'll see people updating fire stations, let alone factories and auto repairs. -- Kittithaj 20:09, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Come to think of it, statuses of each NT buildings are already shown on the suburb template. So it's kind of redundant to show them again.

Anyway, one of Duke Garland's from last year was "inefficient use of horizontal space." So I propose another layout:

Fire Stations {{{FSs}}}	Hospitals {{{Hs}}}	Factories {{{Fs}}}
Police Departments {{{PDs}}}	NecroTech Facilities {{{NTs}}}	Auto Repair Shops {{{ARs}}}
Malls {{{Malls}}}	Revive Points {{{RPs}}}	Bulletin Boards unknown

Intuitively, fire stations and police departments are grouped together. Also in the same column are malls, another source for ammunition. Health buildings - hospitals and NTs - are grouped together in the second column, with revive points. Fuel depots are grouped last, with bulletin boards.

What do you think? -- Kittithaj 19:15, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

I still say kill Fire Stations with - well - fire. Damn them I say! They're not goddamned TRPs and it's time to end their stint on this template. I propose a 2 column layout and just have it width=100% to take up the room, it also works better for people who don't have enough screen width for 3 columns which will probably squash horribly. It usually has to contend with both the suburb template and contents so it won't get that that much room.

I'd like to see:

Malls {{{Mall}}}	NecroTech Facilities {{{NT}}}
Hospitals {{{H}}}	Police Departments {{{PD}}}
Auto Repair Shops {{{ARS}}}	Factories {{{F}}}
Bulletin Boards {{{Board}}}	Revive Points {{{RP}}}

Ok, so the colours are less aligned, oh well. They're done by importance instead. Malls/NTs are the highest. The Hospital/PD partnership and then the lesser ARS/Factory combo. Remember you could also change the board/RP colours to whatever you like.

Concerning the NT's on the suburb template. Removing them would be best. They're a relic that Swiers chucked onto it way back when the NT Status Map was updated separately from danger reports (another 100 templates you had to keep in sync by hand with the reports, it never worked :P). I kept them working after I pulled the map into the 21st century, but they're clunky and this works better. They can go if we use this method instead. --  RoosterDragon  19:34, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Going by TRP, this template should include Auto Repairs, Forts, Malls, Hospitals, NT Buildings and Police Depts.

Including an area for forts in the global template seems silly; instead a "buildings of note" area could be introduced, which could list anything of note within the suburb, going where Bulletin Boards now reside. Though apart from Forts, I can't see any other uses for this section. --Rahrah^{Come join the #party!}22:42, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Would simply making the first box "Malls & Forts" be an acceptable answer? --  RoosterDragon  22:55, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Yes it would. --Rahrah^{Come join the #party!}23:02, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Why not make it multi block structures? Forts, Malls, Power Stations, Stadiums, Cathedrals and Mansions? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 15:14, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Not all multi-block structures are TRPs, so I don't think it would make sense for all of them, though it's worth considering, certainly. I'm also curious about the color choices, but I feel like I'm missing something, so I apologize if I'm unaware of some legacy reason for why these colors are in use. Wouldn't it be better to use colors that provide better visual identification and contrast for the different TRPs? The new barricade plan templates provide just that, and if we used those colors we'd also have more of the templates standardized on one color scheme for the TRPs. To borrow from The Rooster's last example, I've posted an example here (I arranged it to match the barricade plan's key (alphabetical), but the arrangement isn't the point).

As it is now with the colors, several of them are drab and bland enough that they all seem to run together, such that I can't keep track of which means what at a glance. For instance, without looking, I couldn't tell you which TRP is gray with no border, which is gray with a border, which is off-white, etc., and I'm guessing most wiki users couldn't either. These newer colors provide much better identification and aid in scanning directly to the section that's desired. But again, if I'm missing a legacy reason for why the current colors are in use, I'll acquiesce on the point. —Aichon— 20:21, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

The current colour scheme is being used because they are the colours of the TRPs on the map, so people can more easily recognize them. --Rahrah^{Come join the #party!}20:37, 4 November 2009 (UTC)