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*Why do you continue to troll his suggestions with comments of trolling, and add to the server load (via templates) simply to say he's trolling? The community is rather tight-knit, and they understand by now that you think he's a troll, and have already formulated their own opinions. Why keep being mean yourself?
*Why do you continue to troll his suggestions with comments of trolling, and add to the server load (via templates) simply to say he's trolling? The community is rather tight-knit, and they understand by now that you think he's a troll, and have already formulated their own opinions. Why keep being mean yourself?
*:I'm kind of sick, so I'll get to this one in a bit.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 15:53, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
*:I'm kind of sick, so I'll get to this one in a bit.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 15:53, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
*::Sorry about the delay, got sick again. I post those things on his suggestions because while I think that most of the experienced users here know ZL well, many of the less veteran commentators don't know him as well. I post those templates because I've seen that some people have a tendency to take flamebait, and wind up needlessly bashing their heads against a proverbial wall. Hell, if ZL ever actually did something constructive after these fights, I'd just ignore his suggestions and we probably wouldn't be here. The reason I post those is because I'm trying to save others the time and annoyance that they frequently go through because they feel like responding to ZL. '''TL;DR: Nothing good ever comes of arguing with ZL, so I try and save people the trouble.''' Of course, if my side of the arbitration to limit DS spam were to pass, then I'd certainly have no need to constantly post those. As for server load: This whole thing started because I was trying to cycle suggestions and reduce stress.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 15:37, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


==Zombie Lord==
==Zombie Lord==

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Lelouch vs Zombie Lord

I'm tired of him constantly deleting my templates, and I've warned him to stop. Call it editing another user's comments, call it harassment, call it whatever you want, but I'm tired of it and I'd like it to end. My endgame would be a ruling for him to stop deleting things I put up; if he really thinks it shouldn't be up there, he can('t?) talk to me about it in a civilized manner. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 00:34, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Give it more time, L. That suggestion was only a day old; no need for a removal notice that early. --Bob Boberton TF / DW Littlemudkipsig.gif 00:38, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
It had been up there for quite a while without a single comment. If he really wanted it to stay so bad, he could have just posted something in the discussion area and bumped it. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 00:40, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Shit, I don't have time to have a civilized conversation with you every time you do something retarded, LeDouche. It would be my whole fuckin LIFE.-- | T | BALLS! | 01:15 31 December 2009(UTC)

Yonnua volunteers to arbitrate.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:51, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Can't accept you Yon. I feel too much like you're an involved party. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 00:56, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
I haven't commented on any of his involved suggestions, or on your templates. But if you deny me arbitration, then I recommend SA.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:59, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
You're kidding right? I might be a bit phobic about letting you in due to the whole involved party thing, but SA is a whole 'nother bandwagon. I trust him about as far as I can predict him: not at all. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 01:03, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
I think he's saying it because I still haven't ever gotten a case to arbies. :( Anyway, fuck off with the damn templates you server eating faggot fuck. :'( (P.S. if y'all accept me I would take this seriously and make a decision actually based off the case and not the users)-- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 15:19, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
I can be entirely serious when I need to.-- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 15:20, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
It would appear that he's not going to pick anyone who is not entirely in his pocket.-- | T | BALLS! | 16:28 31 December 2009(UTC)

I volunteer to arbitrate this mess. I can't promise the end result won't be messy though. Nothing to be done! 00:59, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't like the sound of that messiness, but don't have any reason not to accept you as arbitrator, either. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 01:04, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
HAHAHA. No. Pick someone NOT from your biased Troll Gang.-- | T | BALLS! | 01:48 31 December 2009(UTC)
I resent the accusation that I'm organised enough to have a gang. Nothing to be done! 01:49, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Ok, Disorganized Troll Mob.-- | T | BALLS! | 01:51 31 December 2009(UTC)

HAHAHA, nerd court is now in session. Get a fucking life, loser. Ok, I will accept SA.--

| T | BALLS! | 01:09 31 December 2009(UTC)

words that one user of udwiki should never say to another... xoxo 01:29, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Why not? Self deceptive motherfuckers. :) -- | T | BALLS! | 01:34 31 December 2009(UTC)
Just something about wasting away on the admin pages of a wiki for a zombie based MMORPG and telling someone else to get a life seems a bit...well, you know... xoxo 01:36, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Exactly. At least I'm self aware. But Jesus Christ, Nerd Court is taking to an EPIC level.-- | T | BALLS! | 01:37 31 December 2009(UTC)
Nerd court ftw. Also i'm barely active and have no idea what the hell this is about, so i might as well volunteer (spelling?) to arby this thang. xoxo 01:38, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
lawls hel the fuk no. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 01:40, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
sulk. xoxo 01:44, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
lol yeah dem fukken nerds amirite bro??? *gets drunk while online, skips class with friends to talk about the wiki* Cyberbob  Talk  02:50, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
yeah coz you totally didn't fail to understand what i said or anything. Keep trying though. xoxo 03:11, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
shit post Cyberbob  Talk  05:11, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
lol @ jed not doing half of those things -- 04:14, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
doing even one of those things is bad enough hth Cyberbob  Talk  05:11, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
But bragging on IRC about getting laid the night before by your overseas girlfriend is just dandy. Also is half the shit you mentioned here was totally normal. -- 14:20, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
uh yeah I can see how you might find kissing girls abnormal Cyberbob  Talk  14:29, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
also good thing I was able to delete the photo of me, you stupid cunt OH and noice cyberstalking that's such an average joe thing! I mean I was just going off a vague memory of IRC convos but you really went the extra mile with that one Cyberbob  Talk  14:31, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Huh? I'm pretty sure it was read who found it... IRC crew have known about it for like a year anyway, whatevs. And your frantic-editing-aggessive-reaction was all I could have ever needed to prove my point, not the actual evidence, tevs... -- 14:42, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
hey wow you're only using something found via cyberstalking, such an innocent little child... btw the editing thing is a product of it being 1:45am, sorry if I'm not quite as nocturnal as you Cyberbob  Talk  14:46, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Well get some fucking sleep and reply tomorow otherwise I'm gonna group it as depserate butthurt edit-counterattacking. And before you cry about cyberstalking, maybe you should change your stance on "no matter what clarification i recieve I'm gonna group J3d with DDR Nallan and Read's IRL actions of 2007 hell yeah" attititude; TIA, I'm gonna get some sleep now, come to think of it, so thanks for the chat (name removed) -- 14:51, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Why do you think releasing personal information maliciously is at all a good thing to do? Nothing I've said could in any way be used to identify anyone you fucking tool Cyberbob  Talk  14:54, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Tevs. Misinformation for too long pisses people off. Listen to J3D and Nallan, Read and myself next time we confirm that J3D doesn't actually spend ANY time in Newcastle with us. TIA. -- 15:00, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Hey so clearly the appropriate response to a harmless bad memory is to post my photo and real name. You're fucked in the head. Cyberbob  Talk  15:02, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
*non existant bad memory, not "harmless". And retaliating via a butthurt A/VB case is just as rational, yes? Either way this conversation's outcome was worth every escalation in the world. And that's if you even manage to achieve it. -- 15:11, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Hahahaha yeah posting an A/VB case so you can get some meaningless text posted on an internet page somewhere is definitely on the same level as posting my photo and real name in the name of "lulz". Like I said, fucked in the head. Cyberbob  Talk  15:17, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Look. Nut up or shut up. You make IRL jokes about a group of people for 2 years, one of them is going to turn around and bite you on the arse. Simple as that, be prepared. Your fucking loss. -- 15:20, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
I skipped class to talk at people about UD, does that count? xoxo 09:02, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
You didn't though- that was Read, Nallan and my thing... >=[ -- 14:20, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Lets go fuckface. I will accept Boxy, Honestmistake, SA, or Linkthewindow. Pick one, you bitch.--

| T | BALLS! | 16:30 31 December 2009(UTC)

Here's a couple more, The Rooster or AHLG. A whole line of impartial users that are obviously not biased towards me. See how easy that is you gutless cunt? Oh yeah, you don't want an impartial user because your whole case is based on trying to get away with your pathetic trolling with your moronic template that you want to be allowed to slap up on the same day the suggestion is put up. It's pretty simple fuck-knuckles, learn the guidelines.-- | T | BALLS! | 16:47 31 December 2009(UTC)
Don't the guidelines also say one suggestion per user per day? I'm nearly certain I read that in there somewhere. Nothing to be done! 17:17, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
You can only put one up for voting per day.-- | T | BALLS! | 17:19 31 December 2009(UTC)
Ah, my mistake. Nothing to be done! 17:24, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

I'll accept The Rooster, if he's game. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 18:02, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Since Rooster's not responding, I'm also fine with Boxy. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 09:21, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

I also offer. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 18:27, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Why the hell not? I can't think right today. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 18:37, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Fine.-- | T | BALLS! | 19:48 1 January 2010(UTC)

Although it may be late, I also offer.-- Adward  23:26, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Okay, fine. I accept SA, let's get this over with. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 17:49, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Also, if it's possible, I'd like to change my end-game goals to include the spam-limiting condition I mentioned in the above case. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 17:53, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
You can type up anything you want as Wants, in your Opening Statement when he case begins. Example You'd know that if you were not so lazy and actually read a few things. At any rate, yes, SA is fine.-- | T | BALLS! | 20:43 4 January 2010(UTC)

HEY SA, START THIS WASTE OF TIME111 Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 01:35, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Why didn't you say so on CB's page? I was waiting for an answer there. :/ -- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 01:42, 6 January 2010 (UTC)


ARBITRATION STARTS...NOW!

Okay, first off we're going to get the easy part out of the way. I want you both to list in clear and concise sentences, with bullet points for different items, what you're wanting out of the case. And while you're at it, opening statements too, no talking or interacting with each other outside of the case for now too, k? After thats done, when I get home from work I'll check and move things on if needed.-- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 01:50, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Also, since you both are in two cases with the exact same people, I will have no problem with combining them.-- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 02:25, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Lelouch's opening bit

WANT:

  • Zombie Lord to stop screwing around with my templates, or anything I post, really.
  • Zombie Lord to be prevented from his spam-flooding of DS. I had an idea of only allowing him to post an idea every two weeks, but mainly I just want the abusive spam with no intention of moving to voting, or often even to respond to criticism, to end.
  • Other ZL case to be merged with this one.
  • ZL to stop being an asshole to me and most everyone else. I don't expect to actually get this.

WHY:

Zombie Lord has a history of abusing Developing Suggestions. By abusing, I mean using the system in ways it was not designed for. Evidence dump courtesy of Bob below:


Notable vandalism in relation to DS:

Spammed up DS in bad faith with deletion warnings: http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=1635025&oldid=1635013


http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/A/VB#Zombie_Lord_.283.29


Removed a suggestion in bad faith trying to "prove a point": http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1635012


http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/A/VB#Zombie_Lord_.282.29


Repeatedly, even after warnings, removed deletion warnings from his suggestion, even pending an A/A case http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/A/VB#User:Zombie_Lord



Refer also to Iscariot's post (http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Category_talk:Suggestions#New_Cycling_Criteria_For_All_Suggestions_Pages

) for more on his belligerance, esp. his link to an old DS: http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&oldid=1634395

; even though Iscariot's gone pretty goddamn heavy-handed he sure as hell has a point.

You can also point out that he already uses his userspace, and for more examples of how he IS TOTALLY MEAN http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User:Zombie_Lord/suggestion_storage


http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User:Zombie_Lord/suggestion_storage2



How many suggestions has he put on DS without taking them to voting?

Encumbrance Effects I & II http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1634025


http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1634962


New Revive Rules I, II, III http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1634042


http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1634233


http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1634239


New Encumbrance/Search Rates http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1629453


New Revivification Syringe Mechanic http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1628359


Doors/Memories of Life http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1627396


New Zombie Attack Style I, II, III, IV http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1620879


http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1621765


http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1622089


http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1622669


Dimness http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1620855


Ruin Repair Change I, II, III, IV http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1620156


http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1620374


http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1620443


http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1620745


Toxic Rot I & II http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1606719


http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1606727


New Gun and Ammo Encumbrance http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1601327


Scent Infection http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1595162


Fuck the Idle Out Function http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1594791


XP Reform I, II, III http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1501849


http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1501862


http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1502707


Zombie XP Reform http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1498476


Empties http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1495054


Zombies Drop Heavy Shit I & II http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1488982


http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1495054


Tangling Grasp in Dark Buildings http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1486457


Over-Encumbrance Stops Movement http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1486428


New Barricade Rules I & II http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1462267


http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1463574


Melee Weapon Breakage I, II, III, IV http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1464758


http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1471562


http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1473819


http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1477579


Zombies are Scary to Move Through http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1434956


Zombies Eat the Living http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1416763


Advanced Rot http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1415988


Anti Zerg Legislation http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1415840


Free Running Lanes http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1414823


Death Penalty http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1414303


Internal Rot http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1413448


Infectious Rot http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1413401


Barriers http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1408875


Scavenging I & II http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1271001


http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1271551


Bargain Hunting Change http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1267263



Thirty-one. That doesn't count different versions, either. Since September of '08, he's been using DS for suggestions that don't actually go to voting.


When was the last time ZL actually submitted a suggestion? March, 2009: http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Suggestion:20090320_Terminal_Rot


tl;dr: Iscariot summed it up well.

"To clarify, Zombie Lord has said he has no intention of taking his ideas to the main system (therefore having no reason to post on Developing Suggestions) and that he doesn't have to take his suggestions to the main system as Kevan reads Developing Suggestion (Kevan doesn't, the system is set up so he doesn't have to and Zombie Lord can provide no evidence to support his baseless guessing).

If he has no intention of using the system as intended, why should we allow him to bury the suggestions of others and continue to disrupt the suggestions pages? If he merely wants to list his ideas and work on them with select users then his user space will suffice for that purpose."


I understand that's a lot of evidence, and I'll offer an easy summary: Zombie Lord abuses DS all the time. He puts up shit he knows is broken day after day, covering the page. He doesn't try to use the suggestions system, he just likes to spam this stuff everywhere. It's my personal belief that he is trying to start flame wars and gain attention with all these obviously flawed ideas, but that's just an opinion. I think it's pretty obvious that he's doing this in bad faith, and if it counts for anything, I'm sure that a lot of the community feels in a similar manner as I. He's abusive, asinine, trolltacular, and contributes nothing to the wiki while flooding us with these ideas even he admits are useless, at least in that he's claimed he has no intention of taking them to voting. If I ever comment on his suggestions, it's usually once just to try and keep people from arguing over it. I've called his suggestions shitty on occasion where I think he actually wants input because they were in those cases, which is no more than I normally do for horrible suggestions on DS. He's done nothing at every step from the beginning of his return to the start of this case but troll, bitch, insult, and fuck around with the system to show he can. I don't want to make him angry, there are hundreds of cases where I could have yelled at him, pissed him off, baited him, or otherwise started a fight with him that I purposefully avoided. All I really want is for him to stop this bullshit. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 22:38, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Zombielord's opening bit

WANTS:

1. Retain the right to remove Lelouch’s templates in appropriate circumstances. Also, for Lelouch to respect the DS Guidelines regarding Deletion Warnings. Two days. If the last comment on a suggestion goes up on Jan 7th 05:00 (UTC), it should be given a Deletion Warning on Jan 9 at 05:00 (UTC). Not, Jan 9 at 01:00 (UTC), or Jan 9th at 04:50(UTC), but Jan 9th at 05:00 (UTC) or after. It's not hard.

2. Lelouch will not comment on any suggestions User:Zombie Lord submits to Developing Suggestions (including deletion warnings and cycling). Lelouch may freely comment on suggestions User:Zombie Lord puts to voting.


WHY:

1. I remove his templates when he uses them incorrectly. In the instance that he complains of here, he slapped his “warning” up 12 hours after the suggestion had been put up. 12 hours. He has done it before. This time within 15 hours of the suggestion going up. He has been informed of the 2 days guideline. He ignores it in order to troll my suggestions. While I do the bulk of the janitorial work on DS, Lelouch seems to limit his to trolling my suggestions. In the name of "good faith janitorial work". Which leads into Want 2.

2. Lelouch has nothing to add to discussions of my suggestions.

Which is why he wants this ridiculous “one suggestion every two weeks” BS. Him being so lazy, he can get want he wants without even having to type up his disruptive trolling anymore. He’s basically trying to do an “Izzy Lite” Policy, applied to a specific user.

Regarding Lelouchs charges of "meanness". Not only is this rank hypocrisy on Lelouch's part, but...do I really need to go on? The UDWiki. Mean? HAHAHAHA. Give me a break. The main difference with my "meanness" and that of the rest is that I generally reserve it for the Trolls, throwing it back in their faces. If I don't have something constructive to add to another persons suggestion, I usually don't comment at all. Whereas Lelouch and others in the Troll Gang Bang Squad attack all the time. Usually the attacked person just slinks away. I don't. Yes, I'm SO MEAN to kick the bullies right back in the balls. Poor guys.

Regarding my VB cases. this I was merely pointing out Cyberbob's lunacy, and seeing that this cased ended in a Vandalism charge, I feel vindicated here. I was going to put the suggestion back myself, but Aichon, busy body that he is, was in such a rush to break his neck to get me "charged", that he beat me to it. No real harm was done and I still feel that my edit was NOT in bad faith. Cyberbob's ruling maybe, but not mine.

this. Much like the above. Boberton slapped a warning on a new suggestion and I was merely pointing out Cyberbob's lunacy. Course, Boberton's obvious trolling in this matter was completely ignored.

this Yes, I removed Lelouchs's trolling template again and again. The only reason he even started this original case was to take advantage of the "precedent" loophole and be allowed to "legally" keep his trolling template up. Note that as soon as I removed the suggestion, Lelouch suddenly lost a lot of interest going as far as to call the very case he brought against me "a waste of time". Yeah, his own case. It's almost (Groucho)Marxian in it's ridiculousness. The only reason he still pushes it is in the off chance (on the advice of his "legal team", I presume) of rolling the dice on the long odds of getting an unjust ruling against me based only on my "unpopularity".

Regarding my suggestions: Obviously, Lelouch (and the others in the Troll Gang) have a problem with my suggestions. Mainly that others discuss them seriously, and so he feels the need to disrupt them in any way he can. I guess it's like a Holy Crusade for him or something. Normally I ignore this or insult him. I was willing to tolerate his foolishness. Note, he was the one who began this round of "drama" by dragging me here to AA (because he does not comprehend or chooses to ignore the DS Guidelines regarding Deletion Warnings). Yes, he dragged me here becuase of his own laziness, ignorance, and/or contrariness over Guidelines that he refuses to follow or is incapable of following. Then he bitches when I bring a legitimate case against him, and one that would not even have been long and drawn out, but rather could have been over in 5 minutes if he could have brought himself to give up his obvious trolling. I guess he's addicted to trolling me.

In any case, I am always in earnest about my suggestions. I seem to have a minority opinion regarding aspects of the game and voice them, but because I don't join the Hive Mind and conform, I get labeled a troll by a few Xenophobes that think of UDWiki as their personal domain and that the Status Quo of their domain must be protected at any cost.

I routinely remove my own suggestions before the Deletion date if discussion dies off, as a courtesy. Unlike many who put up a suggestion and then never bother with it again after a few days. (In fact, I do the bulk of the janitorial work on DS.)

No, I don't take my suggestions to Voting. BFD. I don't feel that it is a legitimate system. There are 20,000 people who play this game, and yet I'm supposed to accept that the 20 or 30 votes (if that) that show up on a Vote represent the UD community? Bull. The Voting has been hijacked by the Xenophobes. It's worthless. The Archives are overflowing with circle jerk clique flavor ideas that are never going to be implemented, and only go through so people can claim "they have a peer reviewed idea". Trying to plow through them all to find a real suggestion has become a chore.

I still like to develop my ideas with legitimate input from other users. For some the DS page is only their personal troll ground, and all they ever add is "this sucks", "you blow", "please die", etc. I presume in an attempt to enforce their ideology regarding what they consider the game to be "as intended". Which is ridiculous. The game has changed so much over the years that any argument about "intention" is just smokescreen. Or maybe they just enjoy being "mean". What they really don't like is taking their own medicine.--

| T | BALLS! | 22:19 7 January 2010(UTC)


ARBITRATION, THE SEQUEL

What happens here is I take your statements and evidence you've provided and I use that to provide each party with questions and such to get a better understanding of the case and it's parties. You've both given quite a bit of data, so it may take a bit of time to get this part done, though this time tomorrow is probably going to be the latest (unless I go to buy a car, then the morning after tomorrow) it will take. I ask that you both continue to maintain a separation as you have, and, well, yeah. DON'T FUCK WITH SHIT K?-- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 23:25, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


Honestly, it turns out with reading that I don't have too many questions. I thought I'd have more than this when I originally saw what you two put, but, yeah.-- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 14:51, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Lelouch

  • Why did you add the Deletion warning early? It clearly says in the Cycling area that the accepted time frame is two days.
    I'd honestly never seen the two days rule. I'm not quite sure where the "cycling area" is per se, but I assume it's somewhere on the page? I had never really gotten involved with cycling before due to the hassle of manually determining the time of deletion. I'd always figured that templates were just slapped on when a suggestion looked dead, and if someone wanted to continue discussing it, they'd just post their comment and remove it. As for the "warning" ZL raised: saying two days, cunt in the middle of your obscenity filled flame-train isn't exactly the most noticeable or clear way to inform someone of a guideline. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 15:53, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
    Right here brosef. If you did not know the guidelines, why didn't you ask about them before you started cycling suggestions?-- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 17:39, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
    I didn't even know they were there to ask about. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 19:16, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Why do you continue to troll his suggestions with comments of trolling, and add to the server load (via templates) simply to say he's trolling? The community is rather tight-knit, and they understand by now that you think he's a troll, and have already formulated their own opinions. Why keep being mean yourself?
    I'm kind of sick, so I'll get to this one in a bit. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 15:53, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
    Sorry about the delay, got sick again. I post those things on his suggestions because while I think that most of the experienced users here know ZL well, many of the less veteran commentators don't know him as well. I post those templates because I've seen that some people have a tendency to take flamebait, and wind up needlessly bashing their heads against a proverbial wall. Hell, if ZL ever actually did something constructive after these fights, I'd just ignore his suggestions and we probably wouldn't be here. The reason I post those is because I'm trying to save others the time and annoyance that they frequently go through because they feel like responding to ZL. TL;DR: Nothing good ever comes of arguing with ZL, so I try and save people the trouble. Of course, if my side of the arbitration to limit DS spam were to pass, then I'd certainly have no need to constantly post those. As for server load: This whole thing started because I was trying to cycle suggestions and reduce stress. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 15:37, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Zombie Lord

  • Despite the fact that you've already called the community what amounts to a circle-jerk, why not put your suggestions up for voting anyway? It'd please the masses, and also increases the chances of Kevan seeing it.
Not the entire community, just the clique that has hijacked many aspects of the Wiki. As far as pleasing the masses, I don't think that would be true, but rather pleasing the clique of trolls that use the system as their personal trolling ground for anyone that does not join their hive mind, or a circle jerk for each others worthless flavor ideas.-- | T | BALLS! | 02:39 12 January 2010(UTC)
  • Why do you tend to respond to even non-trolling comments with what seems like hostility? Comments of ball-less survivors ARE hostile you know.
Perhaps hostile, but considering the general tone of the UDWiki, not out of place. I can't imagine that being called "ball-less" would effect someone that didn't feel it was true. Sure, it's a shame tactic I use against players I feel only enjoy the game because it allows them to play kick the cripple, but when I say Ball-less Survivors I don't mean all Survivors ever, just those that do fall in that category.-- | T | BALLS! | 02:39 12 January 2010(UTC)

La la la

Still waiting on Lelouch to finish his last question. 1 day from now (or from when he answers, depends on what he does) a ruling will be made.-- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 11:15, 15 January 2010 (UTC)