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:::::::I don't just represent the DEM here to be sure.  I represent all the groups affected by this poor rule that's currently in place.  I can feel pretty safe to say I represent those just fine.  This rule will not just affect the DEM any longer I'm tired of that as are hundreds of players.  Further you don't represent everyone who was involved with the recruitment page either.  I play the game and lead a LARGE meta group I think that's just about the same qualifications you have.  --[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 08:12, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I don't just represent the DEM here to be sure.  I represent all the groups affected by this poor rule that's currently in place.  I can feel pretty safe to say I represent those just fine.  This rule will not just affect the DEM any longer I'm tired of that as are hundreds of players.  Further you don't represent everyone who was involved with the recruitment page either.  I play the game and lead a LARGE meta group I think that's just about the same qualifications you have.  --[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 08:12, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I'm pretty sure you do not speak for the PKA, and I'm damn sure you don't speak for the RRF. I can speak for the recruitment page due to the work I do there, not the entire wiki. You hold the chair of the DEM, you can speak for them, you hold no such position with the RRF, the PKA, the DA, or just about any other large group I can think of. You cannot suggest you represent such groups, and I will certainly not have you represent the RRF. Represent those of which you are able, do not drag others into your failure. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 08:22, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I'm pretty sure you do not speak for the PKA, and I'm damn sure you don't speak for the RRF. I can speak for the recruitment page due to the work I do there, not the entire wiki. You hold the chair of the DEM, you can speak for them, you hold no such position with the RRF, the PKA, the DA, or just about any other large group I can think of. You cannot suggest you represent such groups, and I will certainly not have you represent the RRF. Represent those of which you are able, do not drag others into your failure. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 08:22, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::: How about I don't care what you want?  Sound good?  Great!  How about you ask moloch what he thinks of me talking on behalf of the community that you lord over with your ineffectual meanderings and insults.  I've had it up to my eyebrows with your do nothing attitude and it hurts the wiki tohave you in any way shape or form in charge of anything.  You don't speak for the entire reqruitment page that's why I didn't mention you specifically.  So why don't you wrap my failure into a little ball and shove it up your ass? eh?--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 09:02, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


:::::To recap then; You proposed LordMoloch, Wanyao, and SA. SA is [[Special:Contributions/Suicidalangel|inactive]], LordMoloch/TheHeirophant is leader of the RRF and one of the people who tends to refer to the DEM as a zerg group, and WanYao has already chosen a side above. You might want to work on a new list if you actually want to move the case along.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 06:56, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::To recap then; You proposed LordMoloch, Wanyao, and SA. SA is [[Special:Contributions/Suicidalangel|inactive]], LordMoloch/TheHeirophant is leader of the RRF and one of the people who tends to refer to the DEM as a zerg group, and WanYao has already chosen a side above. You might want to work on a new list if you actually want to move the case along.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 06:56, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

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In assisting in Arbitration, we generally suggest that both parties agree to the Arbitration. This is not, by any means, a requirement, but we do require that both parties be represented in proceedings.

Any Arbitration request should provide at least the following:

  • The aggrieved parties. Either person vs person, or [list of people] vs [list of people].
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  • Any pages affected by the aggrievement. This should be a simple list of links.

Once the Arbitration commences, the Arbitrator will request statements from all parties involved. Any evidence to back up one's statement should be provided in link form. Each party will then have an opportunity to rebut their opponent's statement. After these two steps, the Arbitrator will then consider the case, and reach a conclusion, and determine the outcome that is required. It's the duty of the Arbitrator to move a case he accepted to a subpage of UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration, and to update the status of the arbitration case in the Arbitration Cases in Progress section.

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Arbitration Cases Currently Under Consideration

Hagnat vs Iscariot

I would like to open a case against Iscariot, on the basis that he is a total jackass against the administration staff for no good reason. I would like to put an end to his meaningless idiocy against the administration staff. --People's Commissar Hagnat talk mod 01:32, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I accept this case and will represent myself. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 01:34, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Since you have a long history of refusing arbitrators, i invite you to name those whom you'd accept. --People's Commissar Hagnat talk mod 01:40, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Since you have a long history of lying, ignoring precedent and making shit up, I invite you to outline your case and what you're looking to achieve in a verdict (completely, you know how I hate loopholes) before I begin to consider arbitrators. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 01:47, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
This will be further explained once the arbitration process begins. Now, name people whom you'd accept. --People's Commissar Hagnat talk mod 01:50, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Now you know attempting to browbeat me won't work. This is highly relevant to my choice of arbitrator, if you are seeking me to make my sig pink in colour for 10 minutes I won't much care on my choice of arbitrator, if you are seeking something else that will influence my potential choices. I invite you to display good faith in the process by assisting me in this matter through the details I have requested. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 01:56, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I'll offer to arbitrate this case, since I'm fairly new and should be mostly impartial. Disclaimer: This would be my first case. --Pestolence(talk) 01:42, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

This case is completely fucking retarded, as by extension is Hangnut. He should know that you can't restrict people from bringing not-obviously frivolous cases up on administration pages. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 04:56, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I could swear Vista warned someone about that in the past.--Karekmaps?! 05:12, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


Kristi of the Dead vs. Recruitment

Either you lot drop this stupid anti DEM policy about how we advertise or I want everyone that's in an organization in any capacity to be lumped together on one page how we are. That means everyone in the DA has to be on one page and everyone in the NMC and Beerhah as well. Either that or you let the DEM advertise like all these other organizations get to. I'm looking for the MCDU and AH to have their own pages. That's not so much to ask is it? I mean the Philosophe Knights get to put adds in both the PK sections and the Survivor sections. So I mean your bias against us must not have anything to do with taking up space. I can't really write Wiki policy very well and since you guys put us in this situation without ever talking to us first I'm taking the wiki to arby's.--Kristi of the Dead 01:54, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, first off, you need someone to represent "Recruitment." Perhaps a discussion at the Recruitment talk page would be in order? Anyway, I'll post a note there, even though I think this is the wrong place. Linkthewindow  Talk  05:23, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Whoops, looks like there has been quite a heated discussion there for some time. Anyway, Kirsti, how are you supposed to challange, you know a page. Arbies are designed for user-user mediation, not when people get upset over the contents on a page (unless said upsetness causes an edit war.) Linkthewindow  Talk  05:31, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm charging the entire wiki that supports the use of the recruitment page as it is written now. The unfair treatment of groups based on a policy that is selectively enforced by the wiki at large is unfair and deserves a resolution.--Kristi of the Dead 06:04, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
You can't take the whole wiki to arbies, Kristi. Name the main ones enforcing this on the recruitment page (and they can choose one or more representative/s), pick an independent arbitrator, and then move on to making your cases -- boxy talkteh rulz 00:40 20 November 2008 (BST)
Iscariot is the do nothing in charge of that page. Good luck getting him to do anything.--Kristi of the Dead 03:24, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
This isn't exactly what I meant. Anyway, the question that needs to be addressed is where to draw the line on what is an individual group. The thing that's the major sticking point would probably be the fact that membership is interdependent in the DEM, the 3 character rule causes that and the secrecy of the group/s makes it very difficult to differentiate between them from the outside. That being said none of this would be an issue if the content rules were less rigid, there is no reason why the DEM shouldn't be able to include small ads for all of it's groups in it's recruitment ad but with the content limits now that is quite impossible. Maybe if we went back to an older system?--Karekmaps?! 06:53, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
We're looking to get the MCDU, and AH their own recruitment pages as well as any group that joins our organization from here on out. The point is either you enforce the rule fairly across the board with no more of this everyone is ok but the DEM crap or you let us have two new free pages 1 for AH and 1 for the MCDU (though in truth the made up problem of crowding on the recruitment page was designed to punish survivor groups like the DEM and the DHPD so I'd like to see it done away with entirely). By the letter of the rule there's plenty of organizations that should be forced to have one page but aren't this rule is selectively enforced and when it is enforced it is unfair and punishing to us. Because now when an organization joins the DEM they have to give up their ad. That's not fair and it's a penalty you've pushed on the DEM to the exclusion of all others here on the wiki. Also the 3 character rule has nothing to do with this...the DA has no alt rules at all and yet they're a ok to post as many recruitment ads as they want. And in fact I charge that it is the wiki that is responsible for much of the confusion with the DEM and its member groups. By forcing us all to advertise together you insinuate that we are not separate groups. It's easier for people to say that we aren't because of this unfair policy made for not so good faith reasons. --Kristi of the Dead 03:24, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
I don't enforce the rules there at all, it's a user made and user moderated page. I'm trying to help you out here by proposing something I think would be a more than appropriate compromise and would actually lead to all of your member groups having their recruitment ads group together with each other inside of a larger ad. That being said, if the DA is being allowed to do this and you aren't then there certainly is something wrong with that.--Karekmaps?! 17:37, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry Karek I didn't mean to insinuate that you did run the page sorry for that. I'm sorta used to us arguing about things and had assumed your opinion to be one way when it was the the other. Look I'm just after a fair resolution to this situation. Something that Iscariot has been unwilling or unable to do for whatever reason. But as the rule stands now the DEM is being unfairly targeted with this rule to the exclusion of all others. And there are plenty of other organizations that need to be forced to do the same thing we are but aren't being forced to do such. Mostly as a result of the real reason the rule was written in the first place combined with Iscariots inability to separate his PK character from his Wiki persona that rules the recruitment page. I like your idea Karek...anything that is more fair than the current system would be appreciated. The entire rule is biased against the DEM as was its purpose. It's not being enforced on others it seems it was a special rule made up to punish groups that want to join the DEM. Which is unfair. I want it gone, modified, or apply to all other organizations in the game.--Kristi of the Dead 02:59, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Also, the alt rule is relevant only for the reason that it's a recruitment page, it would be foolish of you not to mention it considering that it would restrict whether or not some people could join the group at all. That makes it relevant but, just barely so. --Karekmaps?! 17:37, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
If they already have a DEM member in our group then they are already aware of the 3 alt rule and as such it doesn't really apply.--Kristi of the Dead 02:59, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I've just noticed this case. My internets are broken at the moment so it'll be a while before I can properly begin it. However, as one of the two maintainers of the Recruitment page (the other having recently left the wiki) I will accept this case. I was going to recommend a friendly arbitration case to let a third party end the discussion, but since Kristi wants to get all legalistic and leave unfriendly messages on my talkpage, I will now take this case on in my usual wiki manner. I will represent the recruitment section and will participate fully in this debate on the following two conditions:

  1. The DEM is named in this case in place of Kristi and we understand that the ruling will apply to all members of the DEM, all subgroups of the DEM and their members.
  2. Arbitrator selection is put on hold until my interwebs are all fixed. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 10:48, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Pffft. You've been little but hostile since the moment this discussion began months ago. And your paragraph #1 is rather a transparent attempt to use the interrelation of some DEM groups -- which by Kristi's petition are not even subject to this case -- to make a case for disallowing what she is asking for. If your internet access is a problem, perhaps Whitehouse should represent Recruitment in a truly "friendly arbitration case". -- Atticus Rex mfu pif Δ 17:01, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
EDIT: Great. Whitehouse really is gone. -- Atticus Rex mfu pif Δ 17:05, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Wow surprise surprise Iscariot is out to do nothing yet again. How about while we're at it we vote this useless guy off the recruitment page entirely. You don't make the terms of the case Iscariot. In fact if you don't get off your ass we'll move on without you. I mean I've done nothing but ask you for help and in return I've gotten no response. I much prefer whitehouse to you as he actually does his job. If your internets is so spotty perhaps you should go back to being a normal user. In regards to you number 1 above This ruling should apply to the entire recruitment page not just to one ORGANIZATION and its member groups(ie not just the DEM). If it applies to the DEM then it should for fairness sake apply to all organizations such as the DA and others. That's the point no more of this "lets treat the DEM like crap because we can" stuff.--Kristi of the Dead 02:56, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
As it says above, Whitehouse has left the wiki. Any other people who would want to represent Recruitment in this case that you know of, Krisit? Linkthewindow  Talk  00:13, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
The reason I request that the DEM be named is for the same reason the Recruitment page is named, we do not want to be going through this process for every member of your group. Provided you agree to this, I will accept The Hierophant, Wan Yao or Suicidalangel as they are familiar with large groups and I consider them to be impartial. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 13:02, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
The Hierophant(Lord Moloch) is a lot of things, in this case impartial isn't one of them.--Karekmaps?! 13:05, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I am willing to be the arbitatortot and/or person in charge of wishing death upon Iscariot. Seriously, fuck off and die. If I ever met your mother I'd punch her in the ovaries until they turned into dust so that she could never poison the world again with a failspawn such as yourself. You're an idiot and a failure at a human being. Do everyone around you a favor and choke to death. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 17:42, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Meh. I'll arbitrate. I hardly ever touch the recruitment page and have nothing against both users (or pages/groups.) However, both users should be advised that this would be my first case, so yeah... Linkthewindow  Talk  00:13, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


This case piqued my curiosity. I sneak on over to the recruitment page every now and again, and would neutrally apply logic and reason to the users involved in this case. As Linkthewindow, both Iscariot and Kristi should be advised that this would be my first arbitration. Ottari DA PDA NW Read the Dispatch! 06:34, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

It looked like discussion died off here a while ago. Speak now or I shall archive it :P. Linkthewindow  Talk  11:43, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Discussion has not died, the case was merely dormant whilst my interwebs were dead. They have now been resurrected and the case can continue. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 13:02, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Thats fine. I'll inform Kristi. Linkthewindow  Talk  06:41, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I'll do it, i'm sick of the sporadic edits to this page plaguing my watchlist.--xoxo 11:42, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

srsly, gtfo my watchlist. pick someone to arbies lolbutsrs.--xoxo 04:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
It looks like we are waiting for Kristi to return from her wikicoma. Linkthewindow  Talk  04:49, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Seriously Iscariot spends paragraphs dogging Karek for making constructive suggestions that might actually help but J3D gets call us a zerg army above and then continues to spam the *gasp* admin pages and not a peep. seriously nobody cares about your watchlist--Kristi of the Dead 06:29, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Bitter, bitter. You totally misinterpreted me. I was saying that making a rule linking recruitment and stats page together could be easily overcome by a zerg army. --xoxo 06:50, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
I love Karek's idea! It would work beutifully. And would be fair which is something that's been lacking in the wiki recruitment pages for the DEM for some time now. Seriously we bring a fair number of new players into the game and teach them how to play and try to make them part of the community. Which is hard to do since from our perspective for some time now the wiki has targeted us (as far as the recruitment goes) unfairly. What I want is a fair resolution that prevent "page maintainers" from using their own judgement as often and Karek's suggestion I think would do that. A fair resolution here would prolly make it easier for me to get more DEM members to be more active in the community here on the wiki too.--Kristi of the Dead 06:08, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Tell me Kristi, did you see the arbitrators and conditions I suggested and the reasoning for them, or was it all lost in Karek's superfluous paragraphs? -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 06:48, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
I didn't like any of them. And as I stated earlier all conditions should apply to all organization not the DEM specific. Which means if you don't like KotD vs Recruitment I would be in favore of meta organizations vs recruitment. This should not just apply to the DEM that's the point of the whole case. This rule and its selective enforcement needs to be done away with. either through taking away mod (or whatever it's called here) personal judgement in the case or doing away with the rule entirely.--Kristi of the Dead 07:36, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
It is reasonable for me to represent the Recruitment page as I am the most prolific maintainer of that page. You, however, cannot reasonably represent every metagroup in the game, particularly when you are at odds with several. The only metagroup you may represent is the DEM. I am merely asking you to represent those that you can so I do not have to go through all this again next week after you lose. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 07:41, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't just represent the DEM here to be sure. I represent all the groups affected by this poor rule that's currently in place. I can feel pretty safe to say I represent those just fine. This rule will not just affect the DEM any longer I'm tired of that as are hundreds of players. Further you don't represent everyone who was involved with the recruitment page either. I play the game and lead a LARGE meta group I think that's just about the same qualifications you have. --Kristi of the Dead 08:12, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure you do not speak for the PKA, and I'm damn sure you don't speak for the RRF. I can speak for the recruitment page due to the work I do there, not the entire wiki. You hold the chair of the DEM, you can speak for them, you hold no such position with the RRF, the PKA, the DA, or just about any other large group I can think of. You cannot suggest you represent such groups, and I will certainly not have you represent the RRF. Represent those of which you are able, do not drag others into your failure. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 08:22, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
How about I don't care what you want? Sound good? Great! How about you ask moloch what he thinks of me talking on behalf of the community that you lord over with your ineffectual meanderings and insults. I've had it up to my eyebrows with your do nothing attitude and it hurts the wiki tohave you in any way shape or form in charge of anything. You don't speak for the entire reqruitment page that's why I didn't mention you specifically. So why don't you wrap my failure into a little ball and shove it up your ass? eh?--Kristi of the Dead 09:02, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
To recap then; You proposed LordMoloch, Wanyao, and SA. SA is inactive, LordMoloch/TheHeirophant is leader of the RRF and one of the people who tends to refer to the DEM as a zerg group, and WanYao has already chosen a side above. You might want to work on a new list if you actually want to move the case along.--Karekmaps?! 06:56, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
That would be half of what I'm talking about, again your pointless graffiti all over this page has obscured the rest even from your eyes. Somehow I'm quite sure that Kristi knows who The Hierophant is, your attempt to influence this case by disparaging one of my potential arbitrators merely reinforces your neutrality in this matter.... -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 07:02, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
You'd be wrong I didn't know Hierophant was Moloch sorry.--Kristi of the Dead 07:36, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

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