UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Hagnat vs Suicidalangel and Cyberbob240

hagnat vs suicidalangel and cyberbob240

simple dispute in Urban Dead IRC Channels. #udwiki used to be the official channel for urban dead wiki discussions, but with the creation of #urbandeadwiki this title is now being disputed. Originally, #urbandeadwiki was listed as the alternative chanel, but today suicidal edited the page so that #udwiki was the alternative. I reverted his edit, but cyberbob reverted it back, starting a revert war (shame on u bob, ur a sysop, u should know better).

I would like to settle this dispute quickly: no channel is the official nor the alternate, both channels are simply listed as "channel for urban dead wiki discussion", as proposed by J3D. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 15:10, 8 July 2009 (BST)

DDR's still in the process of deciding what the 'pre edit war' state is. I think the way link had it is probably the best.--xoxo 15:12, 8 July 2009 (BST)

except that link's edit linked both channels to the same location. I am fine with this, but i liked yours better (each channel on its own line) --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 15:16, 8 July 2009 (BST)

I nominate DDR as arbitrator. --Cyberbob 15:14, 8 July 2009 (BST)

i am fine with him --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 15:16, 8 July 2009 (BST)

I accept DDR. Case commences now.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 17:00, 8 July 2009 (BST)

Round 1

Alright, let's get started. This will be Round 1, each side gets an argument (SA and Bob getting both chances to make a statement, of course), and there will be a small gap before Round 2, before a finishing round for summaries and conclusions. Let's keep this simple, if either side wants further rounds to be included to extend the length of the arbies case, I may grant it if I deem it necessary, but for now, lets keep this simple.

I would like all issues to be addressed, I have knowledge of the case, but I expect both parties to bring all they have into their arguments. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 00:27, 9 July 2009 (BST)

Hagnat

Place opening statement and arguments here

Cyberbob240

There's nothing really to it. Hagnat is pathologically incapable of sticking to one argument; first it was "durp you can't make sysops guaranteed ops in the channel because without kevan saying its official", then it became "hurr #udwiki is official cos it was there first" and now it's "omg NEITHER channel can be official!!1". While it is true that Kevan has said nothing on this matter, the fact remains that one channel is controlled by sysops/crats and the other is pretty much a vehicle for AS' ego and for Sonny's little powertrips and spazz-outs when something isn't going his way on the wiki itself.

Until Kevan weighs in either way the de facto choice for "official" wiki channel must by definition be the one controlled by the people who run the place. I'm sorry that Hagnat feels so desperate to grab at any measure of validity he can for the channel he created but the fact remains that he passed control of it over to a pack of twats that literally have nothing to do with anything. --Cyberbob 04:50, 9 July 2009 (BST)

Oh, and labelling neither official is unacceptable simply because it places the two channels on the same level - which they simply aren't. --Cyberbob 04:52, 9 July 2009 (BST)

Suicidalangel

Let me ask a question. Pretty simple one really. If a new user comes in to the wiki and looks at the irc page to find a channel he can get help in, he'll see Urbandead, a channel that is for all intents and purposes dead. He'll also see UDwiki and Urbandeadwiki. Now, if he's looking for help, which one should he pick? The one that in no way is controlled by trusted users, or the one that is controlled by a set of users that were proven by community review and vote to be trusted in their positions?

Udwiki, while fun, is a joke of a channel, and it's shameful to try and say it's about wiki discussions. Serious discussions are generally tossed to the side in favor of "teh fun stuff", or when you can keep a serious topic floating, it's generally spammed in the process. Whether it be the Animebot that tends to be perma-there (and perma "on") because of AnimeSucks (Which can be fun, just not when you're trying to talk seriously and you get the auto-responses left and right), or Sonny who has a new vendetta or "thing" every other week, the place can't really be called "official" itself anymore, nor can it be considered the main udwiki channel.

The new place is run by System Operators. Not regular users who barely even contribute to the wiki anymore. Not people who scream "DEMOTE BOXY BECUZ I WAS OFFENDED WHEN HE REMOVED MAH GROUPS". Not people who ban anyone who disagrees simply for the hell of it. It's run by trusted users, and I don't mean that in the way Izzy alwayys tried to say. I like Sonny and AS, but they are not people to be in a position of power for the UD wiki's irc channel.

I say we should call the new one the official channel and the old one should be slapped with a descriptor showing how laid back and non-serious it is. We can have an official channel--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 04:13, 9 July 2009 (BST)