UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct

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This page is for the reporting of administrator (sysop) misconduct within the Urban Dead wiki. Sysops are trusted with a considerable number of powers, many of which have the capacity to be abused. In many circumstances, it is possible for a sysop to cause considerable havoc. As such, users are provided this page to report misconduct from the System Operators. For consistency and accountability, sysops also adhere to the guidelines listed here.

Guidelines for System Operator Misconduct Reporting

The charge of Administrative Misconduct is a grave charge indeed. If misconduct occurs, it is important that the rest of the sysop team be able to review the charges as necessary. Any charge of administrative misconduct must be backed up with evidence. The clearest evidence that can be provided for administrative misconduct is a clear discrepancy between the relevant action log (deletion, block, or protection log) and the archives of the relevant administration service page, and this is a minimum standard of evidence admitted in such a tribunal.

Misconduct is primarily related to specific Administrator Services, not standards of behavior. As such, situations including verbal attacks by sysops, while frowned upon, do not constitute misconduct. Sysops on a wiki are in theory supposed to have no more authority than a regular user - they merely have a greater scope of power. Personality conflicts between sysops and regular users should be treated just as a personality conflict between two regular users. If, in the course of such a conflict, a sysop abuses their administrative powers by banning a user, blocking or deleting a page without due process, that is misconduct, and should be reported to this page.

There is, however, an exception to this rule - excessive bullying, or attempts to treat the status of sysop as a badge of authority to force a sysop's wishes on the wiki may also come under misconduct. Any accusations of this should come with just as clear evidence, and for such an action to be declared misconduct, there should be a clear pattern of behavior across a considerable period of time.

All discussion of misconduct should occur on this page, not the talk page - any discussion on the talk page will be merged into this page once discovered. Once a misconduct case has been declared closed, a member of the sysop team will mete out the punishment (if deemed necessary), and then move the case to the Archive.

Administrative Abilities

For future reference, the following are sysop specific abilities (ie things that sysops can do that regular users cannot):

  • Deletion (ie complete removal, as opposed to blanking) of pages (including Images and any other page-like construct on this wiki), through the delete tab on the top of any deletable construct.
  • Undeletion (ie returning a page, complete with page history) of pages (including any other page-like construct on this wiki (Images are not included as deletion of an image is not undoable), through the undelete tab on the top of any undeletable construct
  • Protection of pages (ie removing the ability of regular users to edit or move a particular page), through the protect tab on the top of any protectable construct.
  • Moving of pages (ie changing a page complete with the page's history to a different namespace).
  • Warning users reported in Vandal Banning.
  • Banning of Users (ie removing the ability of a specific user to edit the wiki), through the Block User page.
  • Editing of Protected pages by any means.
  • Research IP activity using the CheckUser extension.
  • (Bureaucrats Only) Promotion (providing the above abilities) of User to Sysop/Bureaucrat status.

If none of the above abilities were abused and the case doesn't apply for the exception mentioned above, then this is a case for UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration or UDWiki:Administration/Vandal Banning.

Example of Misconduct Proceedings

Sysop seems to have deleted Bad Page, but I can't find it in the Archives of either the Deletion or Speedy Deletion pages. The Logs show a deletion at 18:06, October 24th 2005 by a System Operator, but this does not seem to be backed up by a request for that deletion. I would like to know why this is the case -- Reporter 13:42, 28 Oct 2005 (BST)

The deletion was asked through my talk page. I give my Talk page as proof of this. -- Sysop 13:42, 28 Oct 2005 (BST)
It looks like the page that was deleted did not belong to the requesting user, so you were in no position to delete it on sight. -- Reporter 13:42, 28 Oct 2005 (BST)
You know the rules, Sysop. All deletion requests have to go through the Speedy Delete page. Next time, please inform the user where they should lodge the request. This is a clear violation, will you accept a one-day ban as punishment? -- Sysop2 13:42, 28 Oct 2005 (BST)
I'm not liking it, but I clearly broke the rules, I'll accept the ban. I'll certainly remember due process next time... Sysop 13:42, 28 Oct 2005 (BST)
As punishment for failing to follow due process, Sysop has been banned for a period of 24 hours. This will be moved to the Archive shortly. -- Sysop2 13:42, 28 Oct 2005 (BST)

Before Reporting Misconduct

Due to a the growing number of Non-Misconduct cases popping up on this page the Administration Staff has decided to compile a basic summary of what has been viewed as Not Misconduct in the past. Please read over UDWiki:Misconduct and make sure that what you are reporting is in fact misconduct before filing a report here.

Cases made to further personal disputes should never be made here, harassment of any user through administration pages may result in vandal escalations. Despite their unique status this basic protection does still apply to Sysops.

Misconduct Cases Currently Under Consideration

User:Cyberbob240

In regard to this case, bob votes on the case he brought himself. I was always under the impression that excluding open and shut cases (eg bots) that this was not the done thing. I repeatedly asked bob for precedent only to get nothing but a mention from boxy saying its okay because several of the permaed users had the same thing done. This case had 0 in common with those cases, in fact it had sysops going both ways in voting.

In short a sysop cannot both create a case AND rule on it, excluding completely obvious open and shutters. I have repeatedly requested precedent but can only assume bob has none from his silence. Should this be declared misconduct my ban should be overturned as a draw.--xoxo 00:01, 12 September 2009 (BST)

Do you ever give it a rest? --Haliman - Talk 00:05, 12 September 2009 (BST)
Do you? J3D, in essence, is right. Sysops shouldn't rule on case's they brought up themselves. However, I do not believe this would have made much difference. Even without Bob's own ruling it would still be Vandalism, so this doesn't change much. In light of recent events, I doubt making this case was a good idea. Therefore I am going to urge Bob NOT to make another vandal case against J3D as some personal retaliation, because otherwise this shit will go on and on and on...--Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 00:13, 12 September 2009 (BST)
Recall that addage, "Don't feed the trolls"? Yeah... but these Aussies have created a self-sustaining, thriving interdependent ecosystem wherein no one ever need go hungry. --WanYao 01:57, 12 September 2009 (BST)
Actually Thad the case in question had bob voting vandalism (invalid as per this case), nubis voting vandalism (cough) and boxy voting not vandalism. So now tell me this is irrelevant. I was banned in the dodgiest of possible circumstances.--xoxo 08:47, 12 September 2009 (BST)

User:boxy

Blocked me but didn't leave a note on my talk or attempt to inform me in any way--xoxo 07:18, 11 September 2009 (BST)

The 'You've been blocked' message tends to be a dead giveaway. --Karekmaps?! 20:09, 11 September 2009 (BST)

Not Misconduct - I should speak with your mother the next time I see her about moving your bedtime back to 8:30. Cyberbob  Talk  08:06, 11 September 2009 (BST)

you're as original as a 13 year old emo girl.--CyberRead240 08:29, 11 September 2009 (BST)
you are a 13 year old emo girl. Cyberbob  Talk  08:32, 11 September 2009 (BST)
zzzzzzzzap Cyberbob  Talk  08:33, 11 September 2009 (BST)
OMG WAT A FAYL CALL U HAD DERE ;)--CyberRead240 08:34, 11 September 2009 (BST)

Not Misconduct --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 03:48, 12 September 2009 (BST)

Nubis (3)

We finally have an explanation for Nubis' inconsistent arguments and (I quote myself) "come once a month and fuck up something" attitude. Here DCC announces that he's had control of Nubis' account for at leased a year, since Grim's sysops trust stunt. This is marginally confirmed by checkuser, which, as far back as the logs go, have confirmed that a majority of their edits have come from the same IP. This is a breach of sysop trust, yada yada, but not technically a problem if the power of multiple accounts isn't abused.

However, this, brought up by Animesucks, is multi-voting, which is A/VBable regardless. Rather than take this to A/VB, I'd like the sysops to first make up their mind on whether DCC and Nubis are the same person, based on the evidence. If they are the same person then there isn't anything that can be done by his multi-account abuse except the vandal escalation as per the above vote, and this A/M case will be not misconduct. If they are different people with the access to the one account, Nubis has been in breach of sysop conduct by allowing other unqualified users use his account. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 09:11, 10 September 2009 (BST)

I am as about as sure as is humanly possible that they are the same person. Cyberbob  Talk  11:25, 10 September 2009 (BST)

Yarp. As bobs. -- Cheese 11:32, 10 September 2009 (BST)

Didn't Nubis also claim to be Sir Argo too? Everyone took it as a joke (I know I did...) but did anyone check? --Honestmistake 12:01, 10 September 2009 (BST)

Nubis is not SirArgo. Are we going to start getting paranoid about literally every "hahaha im actually [user] guys" joke people make now? Cyberbob  Talk  12:06, 10 September 2009 (BST)
Not getting paranoid... I merely mention it as an interesting aside. In any event I am sure Argo will be along soon to tell us he is not really a cat :) --Honestmistake 17:01, 10 September 2009 (BST)
I'm cyber bob too. --Globetrotters Icon.png #99 DCC 19:39, 10 September 2009 (BST)
PS Nubis is back. And where is the misconduct in this case? --Globetrotters Icon.png #99 DCC 19:39, 10 September 2009 (BST)
Hmm. I'd actually believe that.--SirArgo Talk 02:58, 11 September 2009 (BST)
That's impossible - I can't be Imthatguy and DCC at the same time! Cyberbob  Talk  03:02, 11 September 2009 (BST)
Well, whoever you are, I am agreeing with you a lot lately and it makes me wonder why. But hey, I'm agreeing with you to the point that I voted for you, so things are good whatever they are. This whole place is tripping me out.--SirArgo Talk 03:05, 11 September 2009 (BST)

Fucking mind games. I agree, IP details strongly suggest that they're the same person... Nubis has gone on vaction and blocked himself for a month, and neither he or DCC have said anything more.
Even if they are the same person, I'd suggest that it's still misconduct, because in that case Nubis failed to combine the DCC vandal data with his own as known alt account data should be -- boxy talk • teh rulz 12:42 10 September 2009 (BST)

(Nubis is a girl.)
The A/VD thing is not misconduct IMO. It's certainly a second layer of vandalism, but it's a situation that would be relevant to any user with a "secret" alt - sysop or not. Cyberbob  Talk  12:56, 10 September 2009 (BST)
Regular users with secret alts don't have a duty to keep A/VD records accurate, or to enforce the escalation system -- boxy talk • teh rulz 13:12 10 September 2009 (BST)
That's pretty tenuous. Cyberbob  Talk  13:19, 10 September 2009 (BST)
Didn't we demote Jed when it looked like he was sharing accounts? Sharing accounts is misconduct in itself, as it's a serious breach of the trust placed on a sysop. Linkthewindow  Talk  03:57, 11 September 2009 (BST)

DCC has been IP checked back in Feb 2008, indicating that they weren't sharing IPs at the time, or it would have been discovered then. That suggests a few possibilities.

  • They are one, but were more careful about their IPs in the past,
  • They were two separate posters, and one of them gained control of both accounts somehow,
  • They have always been separate posters, but DCC has somehow managed to post from Nubis' IP lately,

-- boxy talk • teh rulz 13:12 10 September 2009 (BST)

*They have always been separate posters, but DCC has somehow managed to post from Nubis' IP lately, I like the way you think.--Globetrotters Icon.png #99 DCC 19:36, 10 September 2009 (BST)

Do we dare put Nubis up for ban aversion aswell? ;) In seriousness, I also tend to agree with the theory that they are the same person behind two accounts- though in practice, they often exhibited plenty of behaviour that suggests that they were different users... Things like PT requests and such that could easily have been streamlined via Nubis (and aren't unlike his edits anyway), and what would Nubis' reasoning be for lying about this alt fiasco anyway? He would be in more hot water if they were actually two separate users... I just don't understand fair Nubis... --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 13:43, 10 September 2009 (BST)

Actually, scrap that... After reading the talk page again, I'm fairly convinced that they were two separate users until the 'real' Nubis walked away and DCC received control of both accounts, after the "sysop trust" event... Basically, I'm going with DCC's story, it seems plausible, as per Boxy's 2008 checkuser evidence and the fact that Nubis' behaviour changed readily around the midmonths of 2008 onwards. It explains why they are technically the same person now, whilst it explains Boxy's checkuser evidence, and it explains DCC's own explaination, as well as other user's accounts of Nubis' changing behaviour over the past year. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 15:05, 10 September 2009 (BST)
Thank me later--CyberRead240 16:01, 10 September 2009 (BST)

I haven't got time to deal with this at the moment, and given the confusion over who has control of the account, I am temporarily demoting Nubis until we work out what is going on, and if the account is now secure. Nubis will be reinstated as soon as we can be sure of what went on, and that he has exclusive control of the account -- boxy talk • teh rulz 21:48 10 September 2009 (BST)

Jinkies

Looks like you have a mystery on your hands, gang. I'll gather a few things of note and see if that helps. Let's assume that they are two different people and somehow DCC got a hold of Nubis's password, and work from there.

DCC wiped Nubis's talk page, and has claimed to be Nubis since Grim's UDWiki:Open Discussion/System Operators, which ones do you trust, which was back in May of 2008. This means that DCC has been in charge of Nubis's account for quite some time. A check of DCC's contributions show a sudden absence around the middle of May of 2008, and doesn't return until September. Nubis's contributions on the other hand, is very inactive before the same time in May, and suddenly becomes very active. So much so, that it explains why DCC has no contributions during that time period. DCC is far too busy working on Nubis's account that s/he doesn't have time to post under DCC.

This explains the noted change in Nubis's demeanor and posting habits. You can see the similarity with DCC's flurry of edits on developing suggestions here, and repeated on Nubis's account here. You can also see that Nubis was very active in October of 2008, while DCC stopped posting after the Grim Misconduct case became sysop only and didn't post again until November 12th. Again, this seems to be due to the fact that Nubis was very involved with the wiki during the month of October. Something else of interest is that Nubis refers to DCC as being female on January 12, 2009. Above, Cyberbob mentions that Nubis is female.

Assuming that DCC picked up Nubis's account at the start of the flurry of activity (May 16th, 2008), that would mean the following sysop actions were made by a non-sysop on a sysop account:

Also, to add to the case that Anime pointed out on Nubis's talk page, you can see that there are two other cases where DCC was used as a sock on voting: The UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Autoconfirmed_Group_Trial and UDWiki:Administration/Bureaucrat_Promotions/February_2009.

Prior to May of 2008, Nubis is barely involved with the wiki, but after May is suddenly very involved. It is reasonable to assume that Nubis stopped caring about the wiki, and gave the account away. Otherwise, there would likely be a number of password attempts on the Nubis account. At the very least, judging from Nubis's contributions in 2006 to May of 2008, Nubis had a habit of coming to the wiki every six to eight months. In my opinion, if Nubis was unaware of DCC's attempt to take over the account, then it is likely it would have come up before now, and not over a year later. However, if you give Nubis the benefit of the doubt, then I imagine that all of the above information would be enough to permaban DCC and his alts (if any). --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 22:40, 10 September 2009 (BST)

Awwww, but what about all the good things that Hitler did? --Globetrotters Icon.png #99 DCC 02:39, 11 September 2009 (BST)
Nice post, Akule. At the moment, there are one of two possibilities for this - Nubis and DCC are collaborating to stir up as much shit as possible (then demote, as it's very inappropriate conduct for a sysop,) or Nubis gave his account to DCC (demote, as the account's security has been compromised, and account sharing shouldn't be tolerated.) I just don't see an "account hacking" as too likely - ether Nubis has been careless with his password, or DCC has the skillz required to hack the wiki. Neither seem too likely. Linkthewindow  Talk  03:54, 11 September 2009 (BST)
It is quite obvious what happened. DCC got Nubis' account off of Nubis, but he realized his big troll was a huge fail and finds himself possibly having both the accounts perma banned. This is something he didn't expect, he expected Nubis to be banned but not himself. Now he is making up a story about DCC being an awesome hacker who hacked Nubis account in order to save the Sysop status so he can AT LEAST stay on the wiki in some aspect, as it is the only way to salvage the situation. It is the epitome of fail troll.--CyberRead240 05:17, 11 September 2009 (BST)
And I am saying that the real Nubis gave his account to DCC around may 2008, and the real Nubis is either fucked off completely, or is now back to edit for a while so that the IPs are different until his sysopship is reinstated, and then for a bit after, until the dust settles. If Nubis gets back into Sysop you know itl happen again.--CyberRead240 05:22, 11 September 2009 (BST)

HAHAHA! I await the day that Kevan announces that the same 20 guys with 500 accounts each run this whole fuckin joke.--

| T | BALLS! | 05:59 11 September 2009(BST)

***UNIT #216 HAS GONE ROGUE//ELIMINATE UNIT #216*** Cyberbob  Talk  06:13, 11 September 2009 (BST)
Sorry, but I've hardly got the time for one account, let alone 500 :/ Linkthewindow  Talk  06:28, 11 September 2009 (BST)


What's amusing is that DCC as Nubis (or whatever the theory is) was much more involved and contributed more to the wiki than the REAL Nubis ever did. Also, Akule, your ideas are way off on this "hacking the password with many attempts". Who said the wiki was the first account I took from him? Some people are retarded enough to have related accounts with the same passwords. --Globetrotters Icon.png #99 DCC 18:42, 11 September 2009 (BST)

I noticed that you contributed quite a bit to the wiki. Particularly the image categorizations. As for hacking, I don't recall saying that you did. I just mentioned that if you didn't get the password from Nubis, it would have been more likely that you would have effectively bashed out the password, and thus the logs would have reflected that. No, I agree with your statement on Nubis's page. It is far more plausible to me that Nubis got tired of the wiki, and when the whole "Who do you trust the sysops" bit came out, you thought it would be funny to pretend to be Nubis and s/he gave you the password. That is the much more believable scenario, and would fit with what I remember of Nubis's general demeanor. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 19:13, 11 September 2009 (BST)

how about this

they lived together. Each logged in to a computer never checking to see who was loggedin. They break up. Out of kindness dcc unbans nubis so nub can take the account back because nubs wasn't the bad guy here. Clearly dcc was the psycho bitch. Or this could be way off base too because who the hell meets peole from the Internet? --N 06:41, 11 September 2009 (BST)

The alternatives are endless. I favour the idea that nubis has actually gone on vacation (a day or two ago), and DCC (a RL friend) has access to his 'puter and account and is doing what goons do when presented with such an opportunity...
All of which makes no difference to what we need to decide, whether the Nubis account should loose sysop status or not because he either allowed others access his account (either willingly, or not), or he is actively participating in a deception (DCC should be dealt with elsewhere) -- boxy talk • teh rulz 16:16 11 September 2009 (BST)
If that is indeed the case, then Nubis is in violation of reducing DCC's vandal escalation in violation of the guidelines. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 19:17, 11 September 2009 (BST)
Are you saying that I didn't have the required edits? Because there was a huge discussion on Nubis' page about the history wipe, Katthew/Iscariot, and all that that led to an A/M case by Iscariot. The de-escalations were allowed because of the wipe.--Globetrotters Icon.png #99 DCC 03:52, 12 September 2009 (BST)
Tell us DCC, what is your latest claim? It was all a fabrication, and you never had access to Nubis' account? You had control for months, but Nubis is back now? You still have control of it? What?
Not that anything you would say would have any credibility... but just FTR -- boxy talk • teh rulz 04:02 12 September 2009 (BST)

vote

I'm going to move this forward- it is silly to see speculations run scarce as all the evidence has already been laid out by several users. Most of the sysops have their own opinion already, I'm for calling a vote. I would like to see the opinions of the sysops to see with which this matter should be dealt. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 17:03, 11 September 2009 (BST)

Misconduct
  1. - And a demotion. I consider Nubis' account insecure and after the last week's activity I can't vouch for the account to behave in the trustworthy manor that is expected of a sysop. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 17:03, 11 September 2009 (BST)
Not Misconduct

Nubis (2)

Because one a/m case is never enough. And before we all cry personal harassment which seems to be the latest thing, since march my view on sysops banning themselves on a/m cases hasn't changed. It is absolutely pathetic and should not be tolerated. Nubis clearly shows he has 0 respect for the rest of the admin team, and everybody else for that matter. Anyway vote not misconduct away however i wanted to draw attention to the fact that this is fast becoming a bit of a nubis trademark and demonstrates he hasn't learned his lesson whatsoever and is just trying to shut y'all up as quickly as possible.--xoxo 04:29, 5 September 2009 (BST)

Oh heres a link to the block log if you need it.--xoxo 04:33, 5 September 2009 (BST)
Thank you.--– Nubis NWO 06:29, 6 September 2009 (BST)

Not misconduct - taking a penalty for misconduct that is as harsh as anyone suggested is the way to put a case behind you, even if you disagree with the ruling. Should be more of it -- boxy talk • teh rulz 04:38 5 September 2009 (BST)

I don't like it because it preemptively puts a stop to the discussion. And yes, you can say "but anyone who wanted a harsher penalty could say so" and they could, but the discussion just kinda stops straight away and the case is ruled on and archived, so they usually don't.--xoxo 04:40, 5 September 2009 (BST)

Not Misconduct - And the catalyst for your A/VB case. Cyberbob  Talk  04:44, 5 September 2009 (BST)

Not Misconduct - I'm still not sure whether I should be considering Nubis' self-ban a good thing or a bad thing for the case's cause at the time, but this is petty and it's been shown through multiple precedence that its within the law of the wiki. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 05:03, 5 September 2009 (BST)

Not Misconduct - but I don't like it much either, because Nubis did stop the discussion and he didn't admit that he was wrong. I forsee this happening again.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 10:10, 6 September 2009 (BST)

Exactly. Which is why I have to ask, if you don't like it much... if it did stop discussion and she didn't admot she was wrong... and if you foresee it happening again... then why isn't it misconduct? The action did use a sysop only power, after all. And you've agreed that nubis sidestepped the normal Misconduct procedure by using said power -- a procedure which usually involves a decision of Mis or NotMis ... followed, if it's deemed Misconduct, by a discussion of the "punishment". For all we know, after that discussion, the penalty agreed upon could have been more than a 24h ban. But unilaterally bypassed that procedure... What if, hypothetically speaking, the consensus was for demotion? Why should nubis have been allowed to get away with a 24h ban?
Quite simply, sysops should NOT be allowed to pick their penalty and to vandal ban themselves... If you think about it, it's a little like them voting on their own Misconduct case... --WanYao 10:23, 6 September 2009 (BST)
He wasn't getting away with anything... a 24hr ban was never going to be handed out for that deletion, which was a picture of a naked woman, legs akimbo, with a coke bottle inserted, with the bare minimum blacked out by one of the 2stool crew. Nubis didn't file the required paperwork, but it was always going to be nuked within minutes.
And even in cases where a sysop may think to avoid a harsher penalty in this way, it simply wouldn't work... the only reason that no-one pursued it was that they agreed that 24hrs was more than enough for such minor misconduct -- boxy talk • teh rulz 11:25 6 September 2009 (BST)
I didn't VB the uploader and yet I still get in trouble? That's quite fair of you, Wan. --– Nubis NWO 19:21, 6 September 2009 (BST)
The reason this isn't misconduct is because no one was going to hand out anything more than a 24hr ban for that case. I don't like it because I believe he hasn't accepted that he did anything wrong, but that doesn't make it misconduct. However, I would like it noted that if he does do it again I will definitely be pushing for a harsher punishment.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 19:56, 6 September 2009 (BST)
Oh it is but in part because the last case isn't. That's the whole point. If he wants to ban himself for whatever reason that's up to him but when it's being used to try and change the way a case is going on the wiki, that's different. That's intentionally using the ability to ban oneself to alter your treatment and no different than if he did it on A/VB or A/A to provide a fait accompli case result. All of it's irrelevant because it's such a stupid case but, future reference, it's misconduct and, if I remember correctly, he's argued as much himself in the past when certain other sysops tried to do this. --Karekmaps?! 19:14, 8 September 2009 (BST)
You've seriously lost it. There was no attempt to "change the way the case was going". If it had been I would have thrown up my walls of text to shut down the conversation a la Grim. I'm very good at throwing a tantrum as we've seen. It was simply me realizing that no one was going to listen to anything I had to say, any of my evidence, and they were all jumping on the porn bandwagon yet somehow failing to do anything about it themselves in the first place. And if I argued (which I don't recall) against this type of action it was probably when the punishment that was going to be handed out would have been much worse... Which I don't think anyone is saying is the case here. --– Nubis NWO 00:05, 9 September 2009 (BST)
No Nubis. The thing your missing here is that it's irrelevant if that was actually your motivation it's still not something you do. Even if you're not trying to alter the case in doing so you're altering the case. A sysop can not choose their own punishment for misconduct, doing so is always misconduct. This is equivalent to banning yourself in a VB case or deleting a content/group page you made even though there are keep votes on it from people using it. --Karekmaps?! 21:48, 9 September 2009 (BST)
Always misconduct, eh? *looks at case* Welp, guess not. Might be an idea to shush up before you make yourself look even sillier. Cyberbob  Talk  00:17, 10 September 2009 (BST)
Always misconduct doesn't mean always punished. There's such a thing as an appropriate time to look the other way, generally starts when out lining it to be pointed at in the case it comes up again. Yes, it's always misconduct, no he wasn't punished for it here, more likely than not he will be if it happens again. It helps if you try and understand the whys and the whats before butting in. Boxy is the only one that's been dumb enough to come out and say anything different, even you stopped short of saying the case was unfounded, just petty, which it is but, it's pretty far from unfounded. --Karekmaps?! 20:04, 11 September 2009 (BST)
In-case you're missing it; the issue is that it was regarded as misconduct because he banned himself, not just that he banned himself. If the case was a borderline porn image that was deleted it's scheduled as vandalism, regardless of if he decides to escalate or soft warn. The conclusion of the last case basically validates the point being made here. --Karekmaps?! 19:17, 8 September 2009 (BST)
I DIDN'T DELETE IT AS PORN! I'VE NEVER SAID IT WAS PORN! HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS? IT WASN'T DELETED AS PORN.I DIDN'T DELETE IT AS PORN! I'VE NEVER SAID IT WAS PORN! HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS? IT WASN'T DELETED AS PORN.I DIDN'T DELETE IT AS PORN! I'VE NEVER SAID IT WAS PORN! HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS? IT WASN'T DELETED AS PORN.I DIDN'T DELETE IT AS PORN! I'VE NEVER SAID IT WAS PORN! HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS? IT WASN'T DELETED AS PORN.I DIDN'T DELETE IT AS PORN! I'VE NEVER SAID IT WAS PORN! HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS? IT WASN'T DELETED AS PORN.I DIDN'T DELETE IT AS PORN! I'VE NEVER SAID IT WAS PORN! HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS? IT WASN'T DELETED AS PORN.I DIDN'T DELETE IT AS PORN! I'VE NEVER SAID IT WAS PORN! HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS? IT WASN'T DELETED AS PORN. IT WAS FROM A PAGE THAT CLEARLY REQUESTED THAT THEIR IMAGES NOT BE USED AND THERE FOR COPYRIGHT VIOLATION AND YOU WOULD THINK THAT THE ONES SAYING IT WAS PORN ARE THE SYSOPS THAT SHOULD BE MISCONDUCTED FOR LETTING IT GET POSTED IN THE FIRST PLACE AND DOING NOTHING ABOUT IT!--– Nubis NWO 00:04, 9 September 2009 (BST)
I never said you did. Try again without the "ZOMG I'M BEING PERSECUTED". My comment was regarding Boxy's in which he said it and even then all I said was 'If that was the case'. Deleting porn is valid, scheduled or not, always has been and wouldn't change the case situation because it's still an auto-delete on sight(which is what was said when the scheduled as originally up for voting anyway).--Karekmaps?! 21:48, 9 September 2009 (BST)
*copies and pastes "THAT'S WHY YOU GOT MISCONDUCTED" fifty times* --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 02:58, 9 September 2009 (BST)
It's funny, there should be a disclaimer for this sort of crap on A/PM. "Warning! A high tolerance for drama is required for any position in the administrative structure. Users who are promoted but then get tired of said drama are advised to mosey over to A/DM and get a life!" --Bob Boberton TF / DW Littlemudkipsig.gif 03:01, 9 September 2009 (BST)
*copies and pastes "DON'T BE SUCH A FUCKING RULES LAWYER ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE FROM THE SITE SPECIFICALLY ASKED UDWIKI TO TAKE THE IMAGE DOWN WHEN THEY HAVE SUCH AN UNEQUIVOCAL MESSAGE ON THEIR PAGE" fifty times* Cyberbob  Talk  03:01, 9 September 2009 (BST)
You really do have a pole up your arse today, don't you? --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 03:09, 9 September 2009 (BST)
The pole is you. Cyberbob  Talk  03:16, 9 September 2009 (BST)
I like that. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 03:36, 9 September 2009 (BST)

User:Nubis

For deleting an image without going through the correct channels. Again.

Nubis deleted image File:2cola100.jpeg citing Moviefap.com as the owner of the work in the log, as a copyright violation. Copyright violations are not scheduled deletion material unless especially asked by the owner of the copyright.

Furthermore, after seeing the image (from personal request to the uploader) the image would most certainly have passed as porn, and deletable within the moment by a sysop who was around at the time (evidently myself and cyberbob, just by clicking one link). Its pornographic nature is quite obviously the only reason Nubis bothered to delete it at all (let alone on sight), though it appears he has looked for another reason to do so, now the Porn scheduled is no longer valid..

We got rid of the porn clause for this exact reason- to make sure sysops no longer had unilateral judgement over what stays and goes, and the true thing that should have happened was Nubis should have submitted it to A/VB under a case against Nallan, the uploader, Nallan would have been warned (something we would all whole-heartedly support once seeing this image) and the image deleted as vandalism- the only legitimate deletable offence it currently stands under, Nubis knew this and ignored it.

Nubis has flimsily defended his arguments on his talk page where he attempted to twist the words of the scheduled copyright clause despite the header of said citation directly contradicting his poor interpretation of the guideline (which also follows the "header" interpretation of the scheduled submission, and always had). He continued to cite copyright lingo from the page of the holder of said image, though told that the image would still have to have been submitted through A/SD (as per the guidelines), he blanked the entire conversation as despite the entire shitstorm that's been created on his talk page, there is still no proving that what he did was within the sanctions of UDWiki's guidelines.

He's had problems like this before, which we should all recall, for example submitting multiple crit 1's to the A/D system instead of the A/SD system by accident, and then responding to subsequent legitimate keep votes by disregarding them based on the time they were submitted and deleting them anyway (for the record: his argument of "If I had gotten there before the keep votes they would have been eligible for speedy deletion and I would have done it then instead" is a retarded argument considering if Akule (or any "keep" voters) had the same time-travel abilities they could have just voted before A/D's "3 speedy-delete" threshold to legitimise said A/D voting) to which he refused to admit he had done any wrongdoing and that he had submitted it to A/SD the whole time. The reason I am adding this onto the case is because this is not an isolated incident- Nubis is the only sysop who has issues with a trigger-happy deletion finger. I submit A/U#Deletions_reversal to be read by ruling sysops, as this.

Don't misinterpret my intentions. I don't give a shit about the image and I sure as hell think Nallan's uploading of it was vandalism (1). The image should have been deleted and I don't want it back in any form but Nubis has just got to learn to just use the goddamned red tape and follow the proper procedure. We follow it not because we want to, or because we like it, but because it's there and it's our job to adhere to the rules. Nubis has been doing this too often without any repercussions other than half-arsed warnings and "It's not big enough to be an A/M case". I'm sick of his werewolf-like "come out once every full moon and fuck something up, ignorantly defend my actions and leave" attitude. The punishment can be a teaching lesson on the difference between A/D and A/SD for all I care, I just want it communally recognised that this shit is not on and that it is misonductable- especially over the time period that he's been doing it. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 15:49, 4 September 2009 (BST)

Misconduct for about the 3rd time. I'm recommending a 24 hour ban because warnings don't seem to be having any effect at all. Like DDR, I don't dislike Nubis, I just hate his attitude and the fact he refuses point-blank, time and again not to follow rules about deletion. You've done it with templates, regular pages (this one just narrowly ruled NM) and now with images (although I'm sure there was something about images ages back, but I can't find it). I've said it several times now, and in fact I'm just going to quote myself:

Krazy Monkey said:
The red tape is there for a reason. If you want to cut it permanently, we have established processes for that. Either get it scheduled, take it to policy discussion or just follow the rules.

Easy as that. And don't try and stretch the wording of a policy beyond what is actually there. It just doesn't work. -- Cheese 16:16, 4 September 2009 (BST)

as well as a certain removal of ones own misconduct case here--CyberRead240 16:28, 4 September 2009 (BST)

Misconduct - I disagree with pretty much everything DDR has used to try and shore this case up, but I do agree that rules are rules and that Nubis did the right thing for the wrong reason. As far as punishment goes, a 24-hour ban is totally ridiculous. An official warning is all that is needed here - at the absolute most. Hagnat was far worse than Nubis when it came to ignoring red tape and he never got anything even close to a day. Cyberbob  Talk  16:35, 4 September 2009 (BST)

i knew someone was talking about me.... --People's Commissar Hagnat [talk] [wcdz] 03:32, 5 September 2009 (BST)
Well, just don't pretend like it isn't true. You were immensely proud of your red-tape-rejecting ways IIRC. Cyberbob  Talk  03:34, 5 September 2009 (BST)
Still am... but i never avoided the red-tape to attend to my personal agenda... --People's Commissar Hagnat [talk] [wcdz] 03:44, 5 September 2009 (BST)
I don't think Nubis has either. I really wish people would stop being so paranoid. Cyberbob  Talk  03:45, 5 September 2009 (BST)

1. I see, so you are ignoring all of the copyrights on the webpage, the terms of Service, this wikis own terms of usage, and the other places I quoted where that site said they didn't want their images used? Convenient. You also have as much proof that they had express written permission to use those images as I have that they didn't want those images used... Oh, no, wait. The whole site has MANY examples of them saying they didn't want the images used. But, somehow what is actually written on the website regarding their property in the first place is somehow less important than your friends' "rights".

2. The Speedy Delete/Keep vote - If you notice Link said: Speedy Delete - I'll delete them myself but I've got to go now. Linkthewindow Talk 22:54, 20 July 2009 (BST) well before the keep votes were added and after 3 Speedy Deletes were lodged, but no please throw them in here because you couldn't be arsed to do anything at that time. Not to mention the policy says if they get 3 speedy deletes they are deleted. Hence, the "speedy" part.

3. Since when did a scheduled deletion have to go through A/SD? That's the whole point of scheduling something.

4. If I go ahead and ban myself for 24 hours are you going to bitch about that, too?

5. Might as well go for the trifecta here: Not Misconduct--– Nubis NWO 18:34, 4 September 2009 (BST)

Wait Nubis is a copyright warrior? FLIP FLOP!--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 20:01, 4 September 2009 (BST)
??? I've never not been a copyright warrior. Perhaps you are confusing that with my "un-civility" stance?--– Nubis NWO 19:23, 6 September 2009 (BST)
Since when can you rule on you're own case, please unbold that part. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 21:12, 4 September 2009 (BST)
I've addressed every single one of those points in the case, so I'll be quick. 1. I cited your reasoning but regardless of its validity it's not enough to be classed as a scheduled. 2. Again: see above for "time travel" argument. 3. It's not a scheduled. As for 4 and 5, if you wish. I don't think a ban is necessary, I just want it to be known that this stuff is misconductable and the rules are there to be followed (and that we know it). --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 01:44, 5 September 2009 (BST)
What a load of word twisting shit. Also, please don't bold a ruling you make on your own case, Newbis. Against the rules or not (I don't know and don't care) it is poor form. Are you hoping someone miscounts or something? Or hoping another sysop doesn't read it properly and sees that there is a Not Misconduct ruling and reconsiders their own thoughts? Regardless, it influences the vote and you are not allowed to do that.--CyberRead240 03:14, 5 September 2009 (BST)
Changed the ruling to italics for now. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 03:24, 5 September 2009 (BST)

Nubis has banned himself for 24hrs, so this case is pretty much closed, and will be recorded as Misconduct. It's minor, given that everyone seems to agree that the image should have gone regardless. Just take it to A/SD or A/VB next time -- boxy talk • teh rulz 03:26 5 September 2009 (BST)

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