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So back in July there was a discussion which started at Template talk:UDThisMonth and later moved to Talk:Main Page#Main Page Organization Discussion. The idea was to swap the Navigation and Community Portal templates so that the Game Information boxes, which are more relevant to new players, would appear above the community portal (FA, community projects, and ThisMonth). But I just realized that the change never happened. Should I reopen discussion or can the swap be done? Bob Moncrief EBDW! 03:56, 2 October 2012 (BST)

I'll wait for another sysop since there were only a few people in the discussion and I was one of them, so I don't want to just shove my own opinion through, since I am in favor of swapping them. Aichon 07:59, 2 October 2012 (BST)
Sound good to me. *rubber-stamps* ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 08:26, 2 October 2012 (BST)
Ew, any chance someone who wants this to happen could fix the design of the navigation templates so it looks okay? The designer in me is crying out of fear that putting the small boxes hanging from the top-down with a big box below will look ugly as hell. A ZOMBIE ANT 02:47, 3 October 2012 (BST)

I've done this and I've spread out the nav boxes to try and make it more visually appealing, but it's still not perfect. Short of making all the boxes the same size (meaning removing links), I don't see an easy solution. If anybody does, feel free to make it look nicer.--Shortround }.{ My Contributions 12:18, 5 October 2012 (BST)

It stretches the main page (forces side scrolling) on small screens (like mobiles). Might need to adjust the widdth on the individual boxes. ~Vsig.png 15:47, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Fixed the issue with it stretching the page by redesigning it, but it still looks a bit ugly, as was mentioned, with it being so skinny and above something so wide. Aichon 17:12, 5 October 2012 (BST)
Also, this. At least it looks balanced with something like that, though it looks weird for other reasons then. Maybe it's time for a main page overhaul anyway? Aichon 17:12, 5 October 2012 (BST)
Still forces side scrolling on my phone. Truthfully it may have been that way all along and I just never noticed. I see that the 4 smaller tables' combined width is just over 800px so should be fine on most all screen resolutions. I suppose you could change the width of the small tables to "25%" rather than defining a specific width. Probably a non-issue for most. It looks a lot better than it did this morning. ~Vsig.png 17:43, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, it's been that way all along. I gave it the exact same width it had before Shortround's changes. It kinda looks like crap if you try to do 25% and have a larger resolution, since it fills it with a lot of awkward whitespace, and at smaller resolutions it can force line wraps, which makes the tables all jagged along the bottom as well. Also, if we do 25%, I don't think we'll be able to line up the stuff in the top table with the things underneath very easily, so that'll look silly too. All I really did was mostly fix the issue with the jagged bottom that we've always had. Aichon 20:50, 5 October 2012 (BST)
You could try shrinking the Game Information to take two columns instead of four. See what that looks like, although it might just push things down not so nicely. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 00:22, 6 October 2012 (BST)
I think that'd end up pushing things down more, which is exactly the problem it has right now. I fixed the problem of it having a jagged edge, but I did so by adding height to it. We can fix the height problem by either stretching it wide or giving it a jagged edge, both of which have issues as well. A fresh design might be in order, because all of our options at the moment come with trade offs, but I don't have time to do one at the moment, since I'm gone for the next week. Aichon 08:18, 6 October 2012 (BST)
Well, good luck with that. Last time around I was pretty much only able to change the colours, add the CP box, and fix up the top UD header box thing. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 15:12, 7 October 2012 (BST)
Ugh.... Looks much worse than originally. Like is this that important anyway? I mean I think we're being a bit pedantic when we're changing things for (what I think is visually) the worse just so it helps a newbie find information easier, by two scrolls of the mouse. A ZOMBIE ANT 02:52, 6 October 2012 (BST)
I think we're getting our priorities straight rather than being pedantic. It doesn't look that much worse, and it makes the information much more obvious since it would be "above the fold" on many common screen resolutions. Again though, a new design might be able to fix everything. Maybe toss some ideas around or sandbox something? It certainly beats choosing the lesser of two evils with our current options. Aichon 08:18, 6 October 2012 (BST)
I personally disagree, the previous one looked adequate, this looks ugly. So to me that is a fair bit worse. And yes a redesign would suit well, but I'm not going to beat around the bush. I couldn't help with that on a technical point even if I tried so I wouldn't be able to throw around ideas. As for priorities, again, all someone had to do is press the down button on their keyboard twice to get there. It was never that bad. A ZOMBIE ANT 03:49, 7 October 2012 (BST)
I'll have something you all can check out in a day or so. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 16:31, 7 October 2012 (BST)
User:Karek/ProjDev/PD18MP01PT01--Karekmaps 2.0?! 12:55, 8 October 2012 (BST)
I haven't been involved in this but I saw this page in RC and had to say it looks nice! --Klexur 13:39, 8 October 2012 (BST)
Why the color change to most recent change box? White looked so much better. Also, could you explain why Community Projects was removed? ~Vsig.png 16:23, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
At the time I changed it it didn't work with the page. It's white now. Also yes, I removed stuff that's better placed in the toolbox, we don't need redundancy in links that are already potentially on the page and work better there. For most all of the large removals they're diff notes on the respective template clones in the projdev pages.--Karekmaps 2.0?! 21:00, 8 October 2012 (BST)
Also see this. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 21:49, 8 October 2012 (BST)
You plan on putting this in the sidebar? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 22:11, 8 October 2012 (BST)
Yeah I'm not really seeing any redundancy by including Community Projects on Main. It isn't even within one click of any of the linked pages. I think I understand that you wanted to save space but of all the things you could have removed, Community Projects seems a little like overkill. Maybe that box can be split into thirds with Community Projects and UD this month in the smaller, upper two-thirds and Featured Articles in the larger, bottom one third. ~Vsig.png 01:01, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
I'm proposing a redesign of the whole core navigation structure not just the main page. That includes making Community Projects where it actually should be and makes the most sense, Community Portal. Community Portal, as noted in the sidebar diff, will be in the primary sidebar navigation box which is being split into navigation core and Administration quick access and then re-flowed to give a more common sense and less cluttered navigation experience. Community Portal should be the core location for Community related group sourced pages like Open Discussion, Policy Discussion, Community News, etc. Community Portal just hasn't been updated yet, I did just post a request for some suggestions for it's new content though.--Karekmaps 2.0?! 01:42, 9 October 2012 (BST)
You can pretty much ignore the content on the Community Portal page and pretend nothing exists, since its present form was meant only to be different from the prior. It was supposed to be fixed up along with the main page back in '09, and made into something actually useful and something that people would go to, but that never happened. I think it should function as a links portal and have some sort of "community interest function". We should be taking after Wikipedia's CP, and other similarly successful wikis.
I have to disagree on removing the CP news from the main page (and any other significant content existing in the current version, for that matter). The point of the CP news box is to attract attention to community projects, and the main page has considerable more traffic and visibility than the CP has or ever will have. (You can compare the 118,000 hits it had in earlier '09 to the 146,713 it has now, and then think about the couple of million the main page has gotten in that interval.) It's not redundancy, it's advertising. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 03:47, 9 October 2012 (BST)
I do think CP could use a new layout but I share Gnome's concern that it won't likely replace the high visibility factor of Main no matter how awesome it looks after a facelift. I think we should play around a bit more with the main page layout and come back to Karek's idea. I'll throw my hat into the ring as well. ~Vsig.png 04:40, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
The only other removed content were navigational links and flavor text that's already on the game's home page. We don't need to duplicate a page you need to go to to know this page exists and that's linked from every single wiki page. Nor do we need to be forcing people to go to the main page and essentially add a click to do administrative things we should have added to the sidebar half a decade ago. At least that's my view on it, we're inconveniencing the users and demotivating us from doing what we should be doing(managing navigation better) by having it there as a crutch. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 05:18, 9 October 2012 (BST)
So if you want a news section why are high profile news projects not being added into Wiki News like we used to do? Right now that extra content basically makes a decent page design painful, smushed, and realistically all but impossible with little marked real impact. Yes, more people see it there than in it's old location but contributions(conversions, which we can track in who is contributing) haven't gone up because of it which is the only realistic measure of whether or not the placement was a success. The basic design principal I'm working off of here is justified space optimization. The current shove it all in design approach to the main page is actually making it less functional than it could or should be. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 05:18, 9 October 2012 (BST)
Community projects can stay advertised indefinitely as long as they're active, which is longer than wiki news section rules, and keeping community projects there would make it very long and thick; there is also a nice little empty white space in your design that could very much be filled with CP news. It doesn't make anything smushed and the space is optimized fine. You should back up your statement here.
As it is now, you can't deduce where someone has found a community project. You could assume that since these projects have mostly regulars contributing to it, lurkers and non-regulars must be getting from a news item (assuming also they never use the RC or see it elsewhere). You can't assume that any absence of lurkers are non-regulars means they are not seeing the advertisement on the main page. It does not follow. Perhaps community projects attract more regular users because they are a large time investment, and people who are not very "into" the wiki don't want or don't know how to get involved. We don't know where people are finding community projects, whether its the RC, the news item on the main page, someone's talk page, or whether someone mentioned it to them. I can say that people will more likely see projects on the main page than anywhere else because of the main page's visibility; they may not actually read it, but with all the traffic, chances are someone will notice, certainly a better chance than the CP news item being anywhere else (not that it must only be located in one place). Also, I can say it shows people looking up the wiki that the wiki has some active projects going (that is, one thing showing the wiki is actually alive). --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 15:51, 9 October 2012 (BST)
I made a spot on the proj dev talk page where we can discuss this further and actually I noted some of this ther as well. Figure we've spammed this page quite enough with such an alternative. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 18:38, 9 October 2012 (BST)
I left space because I was expecting smaller navigation templates and as a back up in-case there was consensus to keep it and a good argument for it. I'm not really personally moved by the arguments provided here but if the consensus is we want something It can totally go back in. I'd rather redesign Wiki News to split for Ongoing Projects and Current Headlines from a stylistic perspective and keep descriptions succinct. Personally I don't put much stock in the Community Portal isn't popular enough to be the only house for our unpopular Community Projects news. My other major concern is the placement on the page, it's below the fold as it would be described in newspaper terms. That means it's getting less visibility than a news section should and it's new placement would keep it there but, it's not important enough to move any of the other content below the fold for. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 04:05, 10 October 2012 (BST)
That's a sure, I can do that but I do also want to keep looking into better options. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 04:07, 10 October 2012 (BST)

Any chance we can have consistent width on the three main templates. The links templates just look so small. --Ross Less Ness Enter Stranger... 17:13, 8 October 2012 (BST)

The current flow of the Community section causes problems with it, specifically the Featured Articles section because it was made with tables instead of flowing divs so the text gets squished instead of flowing around the image. It's on my list of things to fix. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 03:42, 9 October 2012 (BST)
Don't know whether it was mentioned above but soft corners aren't showing on your demo (in firefox). The ugly jagged corners don't do justice to the time you've put into it and it. A ZOMBIE ANT 14:25, 10 October 2012 (BST)
Simple answer. I cut them because they are the worst thing ever and 90% of the wiki users should be ashamed for using them. Rounded corners are the blink of web 2.0, it's overused, and just like with cell phones they aren't *always* an improvement. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 17:49, 10 October 2012 (BST)
I've heard over 90% of the wiki users live in a dwelling. Dwellings are overused. Moar homeless in UD!!! Sometimes things are overused because they are aesthetically pleasing (like rounded corners). Sometimes things are overused just because they are a novelty (like blinking text). Now, I'm off to figure out how to make all my corners round and blinking. --Open the Box Org XIII Alts 23:36, 10 October 2012 (BST)
You can round the corners and then blink your eyelids very fast. Tongue :P --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:59, 10 October 2012 (BST)
This isn't one of them. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 01:31, 11 October 2012 (BST)
Well I personally like rounded corners, the jagged corners look shit tbh. A ZOMBIE ANT 09:46, 11 October 2012 (BST)
Also, I'd warn that if (and it often does) more news appears on Wiki News template, it's gonna push the Game Information lower and lower until the nice tight page looks uneven and weird. Might be best avoiding putting that below something that easily fluctuates over time. A ZOMBIE ANT 09:54, 11 October 2012 (BST)
I'm actually debating cutting the borders off of the left table for precisely that reason. I'm not sure they're actually needed for the space to be visibly and distinctly separate in its current format and it expands better. The only thing that might move is the smaller menu section which, we can cap height for expansion with styles easy enough. It's also worth keeping in mind that there's about a third of an inch which wouldn't be on the final page due to the page header. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 00:10, 12 October 2012 (BST)

Also, in relation to what this entire conversation was about, we wanted Game Information to be more visible, but currently Karek's fix doesn't actually do that, I'd argue it does the opposite, pushing it into the bottom right corner of the screen and magnifying the community box. Was there ever any issue with simply swapping Community Box and Game Information and fixing the Game Information template so it didn't look as silly? Are we getting ahead of ourselves or something? The issue at hand isn't being addressed and now we are discussing an overly compressed version of the old main page, what happened in the last week!? A ZOMBIE ANT 09:52, 11 October 2012 (BST)

Yeah, the page is overcrowded and I halved the vertical content area while making the menus more navigable to people that don't already know where they are going. My version has better flow for smaller screens and almost everything is visible on standard ones, even with more news expanding the newsbox size which is something that can be formatted to lock down should it be necessary. So it does meet the visibility metric, it also meets the ease of use metric better than switching the menus would. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 00:07, 12 October 2012 (BST)

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One of my personal userspace archives that will never ever need any further editing. Hence protected by myself as judge, jury and executioner in one person. Roll in the Misconduct! -- Spiderzed 15:24, 4 October 2012 (BST)

You made me check this page for no good reason! Misconbitration! Grr! Argh! *shaking fist* ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 15:53, 4 October 2012 (BST)
P.S. As a generally-established rule of thumb, sysops are allowed to futz around with admin tools on their personal pages to their hearts' content. A minor perk of the job. ;)


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