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==Restoring page and adding new one==
Sorry if this isn't the right place to put this but Zombra's Pub needs re-added to the active groups and a new branch group has been formed called the Zombra's Pub Rangers.  Can we get restored?
==UDWiki:Featured Articles==
I'm putting this here because there are 4 or so FA related articles with little content and no audience, so this is a better method (presumably) to get a response.
The [[FA]] method is failing us, people. The system we implemented means that all [[:Category:Good Articles|GA's]] have to go through yet ''another'' vote to become a featured article, something all good articles easily could become without a second vote, particularly because ''nothing'' makes it through good article voting if it has ''any'' type of scrutiny from the community.
Without the Featured Article system, the prestige behind good articles dies because there isn't anything to show for it, hence why we got bored of Good Article voting within a month. I propose we entirely get rid of FA voting and start cycling Good Articles as Featured Articles for a month, in order they were voted in. I would suggest a small area on the Main Page for this to go, but for now I am only interested in getting the FA system running, so we can actually give some of these articles some reward. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 09:10, 23 June 2009 (BST)
:Basically picking a Good Article to be featured? Therefore no need for [[FA/V]]? Ok! --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 01:36, 28 June 2009 (BST)
::God I wish this place got used more. Love yoo gnome. Next step: Getting this GA's featured on main page. Your views? {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 02:11, 28 June 2009 (BST)
:::Plus a featured article section on CP too. Why will people bother if the only place FA's are featured is on the Featured Article page? {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 02:28, 28 June 2009 (BST)
::::We have a spot on the [[ComPort]], but it may be redundant to have it on the main page too, in the CP box. I was thinking of putting a "improvement drive" in that box in the main page for a particularly needy poor article. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:00, 28 June 2009 (BST)
:::::That's probably the best idea, with a link back to the [[CP]]. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 01:20, 29 June 2009 (BST)
::::::My only problem with having it on CP and not main page is that it'll never get seen. I vote main page and not CP. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 03:30, 29 June 2009 (BST)
:::::::It's on the sidebar on the CP page right now, but it might look empty, if nothing else is added. Or unless someone has a better CP page design, or something. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:41, 3 July 2009 (BST)
::::::::The CP page design is fine at the moment, instead of a FA section just replace it with the newest General Discussion topics maybe? And just cycle them as they die? Maybe that'd make this place a little more used too. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 14:10, 4 July 2009 (BST)
:::::::::Aye. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 20:52, 15 July 2009 (BST)
[[:Category:Good Articles]] - Someone can pick one of those and write something short blah blah? Or I will, and it will be terrible and you all be sorry you didn't. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 20:52, 15 July 2009 (BST)
:Holy cow, sorry I missed this. I'll get back to you with a bit. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|LightSkyBlue}}-- 02:23, 12 August 2009 (BST)
::Hmm. Did you mean write my own short section on why the page was a GA? Or an exerpt from the page itself? Because I think the first one should be [[Zombie]], because it's plain, simple, and is historically relevant to the entire game etc.
{{quote|Zombie|'''Zombies''' are the walking dead of the city of [[Malton]]. They are either players who started out as zombies, or [[survivor]]s who died and stood up as zombies.
Zombies have access to the [[zombie skills]] tree, and pay 100 XP for all zombie skills. Characters that begin the game as a zombie start with the [[Vigour Mortis]] skill, which gives them +10% to hit on all non-weapon attacks.
Initially, zombies move more slowly than the living, taking 2 [[Action Points|AP]] to travel from one city block to the next. This cost is reduced to 1 AP, the same as for survivors, once they purchase the [[Zombie Skills#Lurching Gait|Lurching Gait]] skill.
Because zombies are already dead, they cannot technically be killed. If a zombie is "killed" by being reduced to 0 [[HP]] or less, they will become a [[dead bodies | dead body]] which will rise again in zombie form. The cost for a "dead" zombie to rise is 1 AP if they have the skill [[Ankle Grab]], and 10 AP if they do not possess this skill. If the zombie is killed by a survivor with the [[Headshot]] skill, it costs an additional 5 AP for them to stand up (6 AP total with Ankle Grab, 15 AP without it). }}
Just copy and paste the first couple of paragraphs? --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|BlueViolet}}-- 03:01, 17 August 2009 (BST)
:::After using my brain and checking [[CP]], I figured I'd just add something that you can actually use:
{{quote|DanceDanceRevolution|*[[Zombie]] - A well written, well formatted page with everything you need to know about the living dead of Malton.}}
:::Y/N? Too small? --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|BlueViolet}}-- 03:04, 17 August 2009 (BST)
::::You could try it, and see how much complaining/praise it gets. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 03:07, 17 August 2009 (BST)
:::::I'd be happy to but first I'd like to sort out the FA system- My proposal is that we eliminate voting and cycle GA's as FA's randomly. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|BlueViolet}}-- 03:18, 17 August 2009 (BST)
::::::It definitely makes sense to only have one round of voting. I would say the sooner the whole GA/FA debacle gets cleaned up and we get that page rolling the better, as it just sticks out like a sore thumb on the Community Portal right now. --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 23:23, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
==REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!==
{{Revolution}}
DOWN WITH THE CRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!--[[User:Imthatguy|Imthatguy]] 01:41, 4 July 2009 (BST)
:Cute. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 02:15, 4 July 2009 (BST)
:: Its not 'For The Lulz', its serious --[[User:Imthatguy|Imthatguy]] 04:35, 4 July 2009 (BST)
::: Wrong. It's just stupidity. You're not the first self-proclaimed revolutionary this wiki has had. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 09:31, 4 July 2009 (BST)
:::And spam. Spam spam wonderful spam... {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 09:31, 4 July 2009 (BST)
::::*Rollseyes* We've seen how 'Trustworthy' the admins can be over the past few days --<b>[[User:Imthatguy|<span style="color:#000000">DOWN WITH</span>]] [[User talk:Imthatguy|<span style="color:#000000">THE</span>
]] [[Template:Revolution|<span style="color:#000000">'CRATS!!!</span>]] | [[The Brotherhood of Nod|<span style="color:#800000">Join Nod!!!</span>]]</b> 08:34, 17 July 2009 (BST)
==Updating the status of a building==
I always get stuck at the first step of updatin because it doesn't tell you how to check the building status. How do I check the building status? --[[User:Aion|Aion]] 22:09, 5 July 2009 (BST)
:What do you mean by "checking?"--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:11, 5 July 2009 (BST)
:Go to the building in-game, look at your screen... come back and report what you see? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 22:20 5 July 2009 (BST)</small>
::I thought thats what you meant. But it just seemed. Weird. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:29, 5 July 2009 (BST)
==It's Here...==
The [[Building Information Center]] is now up and running in each suburb. A big thanks to all those who contributed.{{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 08:33, 9 July 2009 (BST)
:Thanks a lot for this. It was a project that [[TSR|a few other guys]] thought about doing back in the day, but it never really took off. Now, just keeping those reports updated... {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 08:56, 9 July 2009 (BST)
::This might be asking for a bit much, but is there any chance this could go on the "Wiki News" sidebar? It just seems to me that this is a fairly big deal (or at least that's what my hand's telling me).--{{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 08:59, 9 July 2009 (BST)
:::Sorry, but I'd say no. In relation to wiki projects, the Wiki News template is only really used at the ''start'' of a project, to get users to help. Once it's finished the news is deleted. We don't put completed projects on the news template. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 16:40, 10 July 2009 (BST)
::::A general reminder to keep the reports updated might stick. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:20, 11 July 2009 (BST)
== [[Trenchcoater]] ==
I've never liked this page. Sure, it's humorous but it doesn't even have a definition of what the term actually ''means'' and it's use as a pejorative term. Humor's good and all, but not when it gets in the way of providing a definition for a term that's used very commonly in game.
I suggest we move the current trenchcoater page to [[Trenchcoater/Humor]]. We can ether create a totally new trenchcoater page (and I'll make a sandbox for this task,) or use [[User:Grim s/Sandbox/Page Foundry|Grim's trenchcoater page]]. It's not finished, but it's a good start.
Thoughts? {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 09:20, 16 July 2009 (BST)
:I dunno... I do really like the page at the moment. --[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:black"><u><big>ϑϑℜ</big></u></span>]] 09:31, 16 July 2009 (BST)
::I had a brain snap sorry. To elaborate, I'm not sure, super serious is obviously first pick in most situations, and Grim's page is really good, but I really think the page is a work <s>of art</s> itself, demonstrating the position that Trenchcoaters hold in the community- a joke. Make it serious and then more morons might think its a legitimate following, etc. Which, in my opinion, it isn't. --[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:black"><u><big>ϑϑℜ</big></u></span>]] 09:37, 16 July 2009 (BST)
:::Humor's good and all, but it's getting in the way of a clear definition for a very commonly used term. Also it's the wiki's job to be neutural. Sure many people dislike combat reviving but we don't make the combat reviving page "lol cr sucks". {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 11:55, 18 July 2009 (BST)
{{*}}Pokes this discussion* I ''really'' don't like the trenchcoater page as it stands. I would like to get a few more people's opinions before going ahead with this or forgetting about it. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 09:06, 20 July 2009 (BST)
:The only users that will reply to your poke are AHLG and Ross. Oh, and Imthatguy squirting his rebel semen everywhere. As for me, I think its truely representative of the Trenchcoater mentality. But I'm not really going to care if you change it. --[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:black"><u><big>ϑϑℜ</big></u></span>]] 09:25, 20 July 2009 (BST)
::Opinions of four > opinions of two <tt>;)</tt> {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 09:28, 20 July 2009 (BST)
:I don't think it should be made a subpage of a more serious one, simply because the humour really is that good and there isn't all that much to be said as far as definition goes. Maybe an extra section at the top/bottom of the page? --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 09:29, 20 July 2009 (BST)
::Quick NPOV section on the top of page? --[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:black"><u><big>ϑϑℜ</big></u></span>]] 09:31, 20 July 2009 (BST)
:::{{*}}Points to Grim's trenchcoater page* {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 09:31, 20 July 2009 (BST)
::::Not small enough for a disclaimer. I'd prefer disclaimer. --[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:black"><u><big>ϑϑℜ</big></u></span>]] 09:33, 20 July 2009 (BST)
:::::Make the definition page a sub page, and leave this one, minus the glossary category? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 09:35 20 July 2009 (BST)</small>
::::::Acceptable. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 09:38, 20 July 2009 (BST)
::::::But even then, we should still make it obvious that the main trenchcoater page is humorous and the proper glossary page is located at a subpage (probably using {{[[Template:Notice|Notice]]}}. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 09:39, 20 July 2009 (BST)
:::::::If it's done right, and is concise enough, the definitional sub page could be include on the main page (template like) as a sort of NPOV section. That way, both have the neutral explanation of what a trenchy is, but the main article isn't included in the glossary <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 09:43 20 July 2009 (BST)</small>
::::::::I'm planning on using Grim's page as a template (literally, not in a wiki-sense.) That'll obviously be too long, but I'll add a concise NPOV definition at the top of the page. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 09:47, 20 July 2009 (BST)
:::::::::Good. Using Grim's is probably the best encyclopaedic method we have. --[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:black"><u><big>ϑϑℜ</big></u></span>]] 09:52, 20 July 2009 (BST)
::::::::::When people started complaining about the [[WCDZ]] page, we added a disclaimer at the bottom of the page. Maybe this could help this page being humorous and informative at the same time. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User_talk:Hagnat|[talk]]] [[wcdz|[wcdz]]]</sup> 12:32, 20 July 2009 (BST)
:::::::::::Oh, Grim... --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 11:14, 21 July 2009 (BST)
== Pizza ==
You, boy, tell me where I can find the biggest pizza in Malton.{{User:Lelouch/sig1}}02:05, 26 July 2009 (BST)
:[[User:Grim s/Grims counter]]. --[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:black"><u><big>ϑϑℜ</big></u></span>]] 02:55, 26 July 2009 (BST)
::Does anyone know where I can find some pizza in Malton? Any at all?{{User:Lelouch/sig1}}04:35, 26 July 2009 (BST)
:::[[Ridleybank|Here]]. --{{User:Axe27/Sig}} 04:55, 26 July 2009 (BST)
{{Large Pizza}}
--[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:black"><u><big>ϑϑℜ</big></u></span>]] 05:11, 26 July 2009 (BST)
::::Pizza! *starts eating*
::::On nom nom; syo, do you knyow of anywhyere in Malton I cyan find this stuff?{{User:Lelouch/sig1}}05:19, 26 July 2009 (BST)
:::::Not me, sorry. --[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<span style="color:black"><u><big>ϑϑℜ</big></u></span>]] 05:43, 26 July 2009 (BST)
::::::Then I'll just have to find some! *Makes a character whose sole purpose is to find Pizza in Malton*{{User:Lelouch/sig1}}06:26, 26 July 2009 (BST)
::::::: <nowiki>*Thinks the pizza is poisoned*</nowiki>--<b>[[User:Imthatguy|<span style="color:#000000">DOWN</span>]] [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Community Sysop Demotion|<span style="color:#000000">WITH</span>]] [[User talk:Imthatguy|<span style="color:#000000">THE</span>]] [[Template:Revolution|<span style="color:#000000">'CRATS!!!</span>]] | [[The Brotherhood of Nod|<span style="color:#800000">Join Nod!!!</span>]]</b> 11:06, 26 July 2009 (BST)
::::::::As if poison bothered me...{{User:Lelouch/sig1}}15:15, 26 July 2009 (BST)
:::::::::^^^Gayest conversation ever.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 15:19, 26 July 2009 (BST)
::::::::::I don't remember anyone asking your opinion; if you don't like it then go somewhere else.{{User:Lelouch/sig1}}06:26, 26 July 2009 (BST)
:::::::::::nou--[[KyleStyle_For_Everything|<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> ]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 20:21, 26 July 2009 (BST)
== Building Types: Article v Category ==
In my reorg of the categories, I've come across [[:Category:Building Types]] which contains a few decent articles on some of the different types of building. There's a good sized number of incoming links to some of the page, but maybe only as common terms. However, [[Building Types]] appears to be the main article on the matter. It covers everything briefly along with its sister page [[Empty blocks]]. Most phrases for types of building redirect to this page. I'm wondering what to do about it. Having redirects where [[mall]] takes you to a detailed page on malls but [[malls]] takes you to a description is confusing at best. One might also consider the subcategories of [[:Category:Locations]] as areas where content could be stored. You get the information and then a list of those buildings which might be useful.
So I was wondering if anybody wanted to chip in their two cents or if they had any other ideas about sorting it out. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 04:57, 5 August 2009 (BST)
:On initial inspection I'd be inclined to say move [[Building Types]] in its entirety to [[:Category:Building Types]], with or without the building summaries currently found on the former. I'll have a better idea of what to do after work when I have a look into it some more. --[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<big><u><span style="color:DarkSlateGray">ϑ</span><span style="color:DarkBlue ">ϑ</span><span style="color:DarkSlateBlue">ℜ</span></u></big>]] 05:01, 5 August 2009 (BST)
::After looking it through I'd still push for that to happen. Using [[:Category:Locations]] is alright but I don't want to dilute the NPOV of this project with stuff like ALiM and McZeds etc. I'd prefer to have a portal page on Building Types and then the categories for the building types as the individual pages. --[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<big><u><span style="color:DarkSlateGray">ϑ</span><span style="color:DarkBlue ">ϑ</span><span style="color:DarkSlateBlue">ℜ</span></u></big>]] 04:00, 6 August 2009 (BST)
:::I'm looking to keep [[:Category:Locations]] if possible and ditch the building types one, as it's a useful way to subcategorize the other building types. So I'm in for keeping the BT article with links to [[:Category:Hospitals]] etc which contain an actual article as well as the listing. What should the redirect set-up be though? Redirect to the BT article section or the category?
:::As far as project stuff, perhaps "meta" locations could have their own subcategory. EG: [[:Category:Locations]] --> [[:Category:Meta Locations]] --> [[:Category:Amusing Locations]]. Special in-game locations can still be listed in the asterisk section (masts, billboards, etc). {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 13:39, 24 August 2009 (BST)
::::As long as that POV/flavour stuff is removed, all will be good. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|BlueViolet}}-- 14:07, 24 August 2009 (BST)
==Mass deletion==
What do users think about possibly deleting A and B of the [[Families of Malton]] category? Conndraka revived the project after 3 years, and had a spurt of activity that lasted only a couple of hours, and left nothing but about two hundred pages with nothing but the same content- some sort of template for ''others'' to fill in en masse.
If I made a simple template that had this content on it (for the sake of the future, though I doubt anyone will bother picking this up again), these will be crit 1s. Obviously the 10 or so A/B's that were made before this event, and have original content, will be kept. Thoughts? --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|LightSkyBlue}}-- 10:42, 11 August 2009 (BST)
:The whole thing is ridiculous. I would not be against nuking the lot of them. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 11:59, 11 August 2009 (BST)
::True. It apperars to be a stalled project. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:31, 11 August 2009 (BST)
:::You two have put your hands up. I expect a big effort to purge this plague after I make a generic default "families" template. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|LightSkyBlue}}-- 12:49, 11 August 2009 (BST)
::::Balls. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:50, 11 August 2009 (BST)
::::If there is no real opposition to getting rid of the whole deal from anyone else I'd be willing to delete any number of those stupid pages. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 12:59, 11 August 2009 (BST)
:::::So A/D or A/SD? Personally, now they are a crit 1 ([[Template:Families|1]]), I think putting them up for A/SD and simply waiting a couple of days should suffice. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|LightSkyBlue}}-- 13:08, 11 August 2009 (BST)
::::::Apart from a couple there is no content? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 13:09, 11 August 2009 (BST)
:::::::The ones we are looking at are ones that just had the same default template copied and pasted, simply in the aim of voiding the red links on [[Families of Malton]]. They served no purpose, and now [[Template:Families]] exists, they are crit 1's of the template. For example, casually browse though any random families page from [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=250&offset=20090610025946&target=Conndraka this batch of edits]. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|LightSkyBlue}}-- 13:26, 11 August 2009 (BST)
::::::::Basically, the ones that have content were never created in that period so they won't be the target of this deletions request at all. We are only looking at the ones that Conn massed out on the 10th. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|LightSkyBlue}}-- 13:28, 11 August 2009 (BST)
:::::::::I think I added to one of them but by all means. Nuke them. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 14:20, 11 August 2009 (BST)
::::::::::I'll work on finding the ones that have been added to and exclude them. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|LightSkyBlue}}-- 15:04, 11 August 2009 (BST)
:::::::::::Delete them for plain having no content on SD under crit 1, they're most certainly ''not'' crit 1's of the template you knocked up. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 17:27, 11 August 2009 (BST)
::::::::::::And how so? The template is just a direct copy of what he pasted on the 200 pages. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|LightSkyBlue}}-- 01:50, 12 August 2009 (BST)
:::::::::::::It's a subst template so the editor can then edit different headers, well it would seem odd to me to go around nuking content for being dupe's of subst templates. That rather seems to defeat the purpose of a subst template in the first place. That's just a minor caveat on substitution though, since these pages haven't been touched in a while and they have just filler text (templated, substituted or otherwise), that's crit 1 enough for me. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 02:00, 12 August 2009 (BST)
I've searched through all pages' histories to see which ones had been modified. I'll make an SD report soon. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|LightSkyBlue}}-- 02:21, 12 August 2009 (BST)
:Done. Nice work Cyberbob, and thanks for the input, everyone. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|LightSkyBlue}}-- 10:14, 14 August 2009 (BST)
==Welcomecreation==
On [[MediaWiki:Welcomecreation]], does anyone else think a summarised help template similar to [[Template:EditHelpMenu]] may be put at the bottom to help out users? They are so much easier to casually access than the [[Template:Welcomenewbie]] business that we spurt out. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|LightSkyBlue}}-- 11:49, 11 August 2009 (BST)
:Agreed. Indeed, it's probably worth reworking that template you've linked to above, with a link to the Project Welcome page so newbies that need help can seek it, and we can reduce the current template spam. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 12:20, 11 August 2009 (BST)
::I've re-stylised the EditHelpMenu template to fit with the WN-themed intro thats already on MediaWiki:Welcomecreation, and updated it as such. If anyone thinks its bad, ugly or just unnecessary, feel free to discuss here or revert. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|LightSkyBlue}}-- 12:49, 11 August 2009 (BST)
:The problem with putting detailed help pages on the welcomecreation page, is that it only comes up once, right after the user signs up. They won't be able to go back and look at all those help pages later. Welcomecreation doesn't replace the welcomenewbie stuff, it's there to give brand new users some of the bare basic facts (to keep them out of trouble, and from making the more obvious newbie mistakes) that they need to know before even starting to edit. Mucking up some page formatting, or not knowing about tables isn't going to be of a worry to most until much later <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 14:15 11 August 2009 (BST)</small>
::Boxy talks sense, having the help menu on WC is of no use, you'd be better off including a link to the help area on the WN template. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 17:30, 11 August 2009 (BST)
:::The WN Template isn't assured to get to every user, it's so goddamn long that most probably just ignore/delete it. The last thing we need to be doing is adding information to it. What is the harm of just adding something in the chance that someone will use it? The Help template is designed so one can click on one link, read it, go back on the browser to systematically read all the entries. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|LightSkyBlue}}-- 02:00, 12 August 2009 (BST)
::::Like anybody is going to systematically read all those entries at the first visit, if ever. Those are some damned long pages, some longer than WN on their own. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 02:04, 12 August 2009 (BST)
:::::When I started, I read a couple. And even still, the whole shebang comes with the policies and guidelines too, which are necessary to introduce to newbs. Anyways, if you don't like it, you can just revert it, I won't mind. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|LightSkyBlue}}-- 02:09, 12 August 2009 (BST)
::::::Meh, links nobody will read won't harm anybody I guess. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 02:15, 12 August 2009 (BST)
::::::The problem is that the more totally irrelevant info you put in a notice like that, the greater the chance that newbies wont read any of it. The only links for real use to total newbies are the first 3 in "Basic Editing" and the "Page Tricks" section <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 03:02 12 August 2009 (BST)</small>
::::The welcome newbie crap is crap. Stop acting like it's a legitimate alternative to anything but actual qualitative contributions and help. It's no more useful than putting it here would be, significantly less so actually when you consider how it comes off and who inevitably ends up doing it. 1)Get rid of that shitty color scheme, for the welcome creation page, go with something softer like blue headers on white background, the yellow makes people not want to read it less than they already do. 2)Don't make it anything like welcome newbie, that doesn't provide any qualitative information and is about the worst teaching resource on this wiki, focus on providing them access to the extremely basic information, open all links in a new tab if possible. 3)Start actually banning the welcome newbie assholes instead of protecting them because some of you were them, it's vandalism and ridiculously counter productive and if you actually took the time to recognize the impact of it right down to the fit the creator of it had when a user was banned for abusing it even worse than it normally is you'd realize what common sense tells most everyone else. That is all. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 07:30, 14 August 2009 (BST)
:::::1)I've changed the colour scheme, if it's not right, don't bitch about it, give me the colours you think are conducive to people reading. 2) I don't know that forcing people to have links open in a new tab is going to make them happy. I know I find it quite annoying. 3) Until you come up with a viable alternative to the welcomenewbie template, it's the best thing we've got, and done in good faith <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 09:50 14 August 2009 (BST)</small>
:::::As Boxy. What the hell Karke? WN sucks, but it's all we got, plus it hasn't been misused by any user since the MH and Airbourne crap. At leased while I've been around here. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|LightSkyBlue}}-- 10:06, 14 August 2009 (BST)
::::::1) I did, fucking read. 2)In welcome creation the point of new tabs is that ''you'll never see the fucking information page again'', so I don't really give two shits what you prefer and no one else should either, it's either new tabs or don't fucking put in links. 3)No, there is a viable alternative, go back to project mentor which was the closest thing to actually helping newbies anyone ever did on this wiki, WN isn't the best we got, it's NOTHING, it's just block spam and it's far from helpful beyond helping your epenis link ratings. And DDR, the Airbourne crap was the intentional use and how it's always been used, misuse would be actually trying to help the users you're spamming which is what you ''should'' be trying to do, am I the only one that read what the guy who made it said? --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:45, 16 August 2009 (BST)
:I've removed the editing section. Just too much for this job <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 09:50 14 August 2009 (BST)</small>
::Alright, I'm fine with that. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|LightSkyBlue}}-- 10:13, 14 August 2009 (BST)
:::::Without Welcomenewbie, how would we on the Developing Suggestions page be able to violently attack new users who haven't read the literature? Putting a nice little link to how to correctly make suggestions really makes our jobs easier for both good and bad suggestions; I imagine that a/vb would also take some hits if we didn't post a clear warning about the nature of vandalism on all new user pages. Welcomenewbie at least prevents a large piece of the community of feigning ignorance or lack of information about important policies.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 18:37, 14 August 2009 (BST)
::::::The problem with that is WN has never served as evidence that a newbie knows his stuff, either in A/VB or DS, because not only does every newbie get one (the application of WN templates on newbs is sporadic over time) but there's no proof that it's ever read or consumed by its audience. The template itself is so massive that it's a bitch to read from start to finish, I've never done it, and fixing it is hard because there isn't an easy way to go about compressing it. At the moment it's a bit of a lost cause. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|LightSkyBlue}}-- 01:12, 15 August 2009 (BST)
:::::::The problem with welcome newbie is it's not customized to each user's needs and is rarely worth bothering to read by any of them so it's worthless for learning the ropes unlike how an actually helpful user would be able to show them things it presupposes they'll read text spam that's obviously someone aiming for looking helpful while not obviously not caring to give them the time of day for anything but Edit Paste. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:49, 16 August 2009 (BST)
::::::::There may have been a period in that comment, but for the life of me I can't find it...{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 20:07, 16 August 2009 (BST)
:::::::::That's because you're a failure as a grammer nazi, a period isn't what's missing. If you're gonna be a prick at least be right. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:33, 17 August 2009 (BST)
You should throw it out the window, and replace it with something that says Hi and gives a few useful links. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:01, 15 August 2009 (BST)
:We would if had the motivation to do it. I guess in the end it will come down to us helping them out anyway, which is what I'm happy to do when the need arises. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|LightSkyBlue}}-- 18:11, 15 August 2009 (BST)
::Like on Wikipedia, Gnome? I've thought about suggesting that system here, but I've forgotten :/. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 22:17, 16 August 2009 (BST)
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This would be some type of customized text underneath. [[Example page|Bob the Welcomer]] 03:54, 17 August 2009 (BST)
General idea.  The code probably needs to be cleaned up, and such. Also, those links I think should be floating middle more, instead of upper more.
And yeah, I know you know where I got that code on the right side of the table, but you get the idea. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 03:54, 17 August 2009 (BST)
:There's another WP one that basically just goes through the "Five Pillars" of wikipedia - it's ''extremely'' simple. I'll poke around later and see if I can find that. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:42, 17 August 2009 (BST)
::[[wikipedia:User:Karek]]. It's all there somewhere. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:34, 17 August 2009 (BST)
:::Found it, thanks. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 13:45, 17 August 2009 (BST)
Hello, {{BASEPAGENAME}}<noinclude><!-- Please don't try any includeonly or noinclude:subst tricks here, they won't work! Please make your case on the talk page. --></noinclude>, and [[Wikipedia:Introduction|welcome]] to Wikipedia! Thank you for [[Special:Contributions/{{BASEPAGENAME}}|your contributions]]{{#if:{{{art|}}}|, especially what you did for [[:{{{art}}}]]}}. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
*[[Wikipedia:Five pillars|The five pillars of Wikipedia]]
*[[Wikipedia:Tutorial|Tutorial]]
*[[Wikipedia:How to edit a page|How to edit a page]]
*[[Wikipedia:Article development|How to write a great article]]
*[[Wikipedia:Manual of Style|Manual of Style]]
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]]! Please [[Wikipedia:Signatures|sign]] your messages on [[Wikipedia:talk page|discussion page]]s using four [[tilde]]s (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out [[Wikipedia:Questions]], ask me on {{#if:{{{1|}}}|[[user talk:{{{1}}}|my talk page]]|my talk page}}, or ask your question on this page and then place <code><nowiki>{{helpme}}</nowiki></code> before the question. Again, welcome! <!-- Template:Welcome --><noinclude>
:Direct copy-paste from [[wikipedia:Template:Welcome|Template:Welcome]]. I like my welcome messages simple and with lots of links. Much better then the current WN spam. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 13:45, 17 August 2009 (BST)
::Thas nice. We could have two, at least for a varying degree of "newness". --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 15:39, 17 August 2009 (BST)
== [[Template:Wiki News]] and [[UDWiki:News]] ==
The latter is a practically unused page that is only kept for archive reasons... It's never used by people updating Template:Wiki News and it is simply too labouring to copy the message from Wiki News to UDWIki:News, because you have to change the formatting etc. which is just a pain in the arse.
What do users think about changing the UDWiki:News system so it incorporates, to an extent, the coding that the former template uses, into a template which already has its own formatting, so when users have to archive, they just copy the "date" and "message" part of [[Template:Wiki News]]' code and stick it in a new, easy to access template onto [[UDWiki:News]], hence standardising the page's formatting and making archival a simple copy+paste job. Thoughts? --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|BlueViolet}}-- 01:13, 20 August 2009 (BST)
:Qualify the usage claim, since it's obviously not really clear where you're getting the idea that one has significantly more usage than the other? It can't be as simple as frequency of edits, that would just be foolish as a measure of the second page's value in its current form.<br />If you're trying to make the moving over to [[UDWiki:News]] easier why not just throw a switch into the current news template based on PAGENAME, it would save them the effort of doing anything but a simple cut and paste. If you wanted to get real fancy you could just have the Wiki News template not remove old adds but instead alter it in a manner that before a certain date format it has an includeonly on PAGENAME [[UDWiki:News]]. That would, quite literally, save all the work. You're biggest problem would be the template inclusion on [[UDWiki:News]] because of possibly hitting inclusion size limits although, it would be simple enough to break it into a separate archived template if you hit that point. Possibly with the same code which could give you half a dozen pages that are essentially just the one template inclusion but all with a different month/year's output. Odds are it would be pretty straight forward and simple if you could follow what I just said. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 16:25, 22 August 2009 (BST)
::I'm saying that, and I find it hard to think you don't notice this, that 20% of the information put on [[Template:Wiki News]] makes it onto it's archive page [[UDWiki:News]] because no one bothers to replace the former's entries onto the latter when cycling, hence it is once again becoming an obsolete archive page. This needs to change. You'll need to wait for someone better than I to reply to your coding suggestion though, it's over my head at the moment. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|BlueViolet}}-- 16:29, 22 August 2009 (BST)
:::Given the the archive is so patchily used, I question even bothering to keep it. Is it useful enough to keep? I've never used it to find anything. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 04:29, 29 August 2009 (BST)
::::That's not the best solution, but I guess it depends on whether Kevan intends on having another purge anytime in the future. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|BlueViolet}}-- 09:43, 29 August 2009 (BST)
== [[Snow]]? ==
Is there anything about this anywhere? If not, who's up for helping make it? --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|BlueViolet}}-- 01:08, 3 September 2009 (BST)
:Follow the general idea of [[Fog]] which redirects to it's own section in the [[Halloween]] article. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 01:15, 3 September 2009 (BST)
::I was thinking that. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|BlueViolet}}-- 01:18, 3 September 2009 (BST)
:::Less thinking, more writing. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 01:45, 3 September 2009 (BST)
::::Shoosh you. I have housework and stuff to do. IRL > Wiki, rule 1 of the sysop janitor's handbook. speaking of which, [[Example page|The Sysop Janitor's Handbook]]. Yes? ;) --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|BlueViolet}}-- 01:53, 3 September 2009 (BST)
:::::Yes, its content should be <nowiki>"#REDIRECT: [[Cabal]]"</nowiki> ;).{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 02:46, 3 September 2009 (BST)
::::::SHHHH, IT'S A SECRET O.O--{{User:OrangeGaf/Sig}} 03:06, 3 September 2009 (BST)
:::::::It's not a secret that there isn't a cabal; everyone knows that. If it was a secret, there wouldn't be a page on the wiki saying it, would there?{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 18:10, 3 September 2009 (BST)
== Orpaned page ==
Help:Template_messages
Can anybody help with that? --<b>[[User:Imthatguy|<span style="color:#000000">Imthatguy</span>]] is on the wiki looking at ur pagez </b> 11:31, 1 October 2009 (BST)
:Not orphaned. Check "What links here."--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 11:37, 1 October 2009 (BST)
::Well, well, well. Looks like it's been copied across from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Template_messages wikipedia.]--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 11:39, 1 October 2009 (BST)
::: Excuse my incorrect terminology... what i mean to say... can anyone help with cleaning up the links nonexistent images and templates? --<b>[[User:Imthatguy|<span style="color:#000000">Imthatguy</span>]] is on the wiki looking at ur pagez </b> 11:49, 1 October 2009 (BST)
::::I would sooner delete the entire thing, and fix the links to link over to the wikipedia version. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Silver}}-- 13:22, 1 October 2009 (BST)
:::::Probably best. It's not like it's an important part of the wiki.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 15:39, 1 October 2009 (BST)
== Think about this... ==
If every zombie hunter stepped outside right now, and headshot a zombie, then there'd only be 800 standing zombies. O.o Weird....--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 15:39, 1 October 2009 (BST)
:Think about this: if every zombie character in the game stood back up and attacked a human or human safe house with 44 AP, the survivors would be screwed.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 22:34, 1 October 2009 (BST)
::I've personally been waiting for the day every zombie gathers in one place and just holds it for the lulz. Some insignificant, stupid place, like [[The Eastwood Museum]]. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Silver}}-- 23:58, 1 October 2009 (BST)
:::Or [[Example Page|The BAAWWLS Building]] {{unsigned|Lelouch|}}
::::n0ice signature {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 01:02, 2 October 2009 (BST)
:::::I made a siggy jus for u bob, but I eated it.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 01:03, 2 October 2009 (BST)
::::::did u haz a cheezburger to? {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 01:03, 2 October 2009 (BST)
:::::::no, I has a bucket.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 01:05, 2 October 2009 (BST)
::::::lol --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Silver}}-- 01:05, 2 October 2009 (BST)
:::::::DDR's roflcopter makes a sound; it goes soi soi soi soi soi soi soi.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 01:06, 2 October 2009 (BST)
== Main Page Categorisation ==
I know it is a good principle for neutrality etc, but the Main Page has always remained [[Special:Uncategorizedpages|uncategorised]] and hence is the only proper page that is consistantly never categorised. I supported this until I found [[:Category:Main Page]]. Why not throw it in there?
Also, can any wiki geniuses help speculate about [[%s]] and its meaning? Mediawiki coding for our own safety? --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Indigo}}-- 15:34, 13 October 2009 (BST)
[[wikipedia:Talk:%25s]]. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]] 20:01, 13 October 2009 (BST)
:Sweet, thakns. And as for the categorisation? Any opinions? --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Indigo}}-- 05:07, 14 October 2009 (BST)
::Why the heck not? Everyone loves categories, and we might actually be able to put main page related bits/pieces in it as well.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 18:33, 14 October 2009 (BST)
:::[[:Category:Main Page]] --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:35, 14 October 2009 (BST)
::::Yeah, I... above... nevermind... --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Indigo}}-- 00:36, 15 October 2009 (BST)
== .ogg ==
No Ogg Vorbis support? What gives?{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 05:00, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:Bump{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 00:41, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
::Outta my league, sorry. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|red|black}}-- 00:46, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Either this version of MediaWiki or permissions are set to not allow it. {{User:Rorybob/Sig}}00:49, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
::::I'm pretty sure it's permissions; either that, or we have some ''seriously'' outdated software. Does anyone know for sure which it is?{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 00:55, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::Since .ogg is cited in the upload form, I think it's the permissions. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|red|black}}-- 00:59, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::As an Op, do you know how we might go about allowing such a thing?{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 01:11, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I think it has to go through the webmaster, probably needs to be done through FTP modifications, ie. Kevan. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|red|black}}-- 01:19, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Because that's ''so'' likely to work, right? ''le sigh''. I guess I'll just drop it then; I just thought it would be cool to embed audio on our wiki and user pages.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 01:22, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Can someone at least tell me how to set an image as the background to one of my pages then?{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 01:32, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::I've always had mass trouble coding one myself, but the generic response to ''any'' request about image backgrounds is by casually pointing them to [[User:VI]]. He is the only one I know who has done it effectively. He used transparent div overlays over the image so it wouldn't come up as a link, as leased superficially. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|red|black}}-- 01:37, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Very useful; any idea how to tile/loop images in that format?{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 01:47, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Also, do you know what the average pixel-width of a wiki page is?{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 01:51, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::Not sure how to tile or loop images. As for pixel-width, I always used 900px as a failsafe back in the day, pretty sure. May have been 700px. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|red|black}}-- 01:59, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Thanks DDR; I'm going to go pimp out my userpage now.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 03:49, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Hey DDR; do you know how to crop an image in code?{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 03:02, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Hmm, not sure. Wouldn't you just do <nowiki>[[Image:FakeExample.jpg|800px]]</nowiki> like normal? --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DimGray|Crimson}}-- 06:34, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
Fuck .ogg.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 02:09, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
We Don't need ogg.. I dont need to open a wiki page and be bombarded with crappy emo music like myspace... --[[User:Technerd|Technerd]] <sup>[[Coalition for Fair Tactics|CFT]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 03:45, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks you two, that was so constructive and helpful.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 03:49, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, it is. It shows you that some users don't agree with your line of thinking. Thanks for your snarky comment!--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 04:57, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:::The conversation at hand has absolutely no need for people to say what they "''think''". It's about finding out the answer to the question of why .ogg doesn't work. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|red|black}}-- 05:07, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
::::Most like it doesn't work because Kevan knows that embedding sound is one of the more annoying and lame things you can do to a wiki page <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 05:21 15 November 2009 (BST)</small>
::::And the answer is that it sucks, and we don't think we need support for it for his purposes. So, being that I personally do not like the thought of music being embedded on a wiki page here, fuck .ogg. More words, same effect.
::::Also "I just thought it would be cool to embed audio on our wiki and user pages. Lelouch vi Britannia  01:22, 15 November 2009 (UTC)" please explain why what we think has nothing to do with the conversation at hand when it was brought about by a user thinking? Oh, and lets not forget this "I think it has to go through the webmaster/Kevan.--DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 01:19, 15 November 2009 (UTC)" Why do you get to "think" and not us? After all, it's discussion. It's what ''happens'' here.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 05:37, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::Thanks you two, that was so constructive and helpful.<nowiki></attention></nowiki>{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 06:06, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
== 2009 State of Malton ==
I encourage discussion on the current state of Malton what what should be done to improve it, and help even out the Survivor/Zombie numbers. --[[User:Monitor001|Monitor001]] 19:01, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
:I think Malton's fine. <big>'''PWNED'''</big>{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 19:05, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
::I agree. Malton has a good balance going.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 19:32, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Someone is perhaps butthurt about the fact that their favorite oh-so safe suburb now has some zombie horde attention?{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 19:35, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
: Well I disagree, In the past few months it seems to me the zombies are making progress for turning every suburb red. This is bad for game play because if every human dies who's going to revive them. --[[User:Monitor001|Monitor001]] 19:19, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
:: Ever  seen [http://www.urbandead.com/stats.html the stats page]? Humans still out number the zombies.--{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 19:22, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
:::I dispute any claim that zombies are purely ascendant/winning in the past few months.  Let's take a look at [[Suburb]]s, shall we?  As of this posting, there are: 27 Reds, 25 Dark Yellow, 22 Light Yellow, 16 Green and 10 Gray.  So if we're looking at a even split down the middle of the categories (ignoring gray ones for the moment), we have 52 Zombie held suburbs and 38 Human held ones.  That's a 57%/43% split.  Adding in the gray's on the zombie side takes that to 62%/38%.  To the humans (since ghost towns don't have a huge number of zombies in them), that's 52%/48%.  So that's 57%/43% +/- 5%.  If you look at mid-November, it's 39/55 +/- 6.  Three months before that, mid-June, it's 53/41 +/- 6 suburbs.  Now three months is hardly enough time to determine yearly trends, but so far it does look like there's a rise and fall to zombie/human dominance.  I did pick November and June at random, so it might be worth taking a look at what the monthly/weekly breakdown of suburb claims are, as the above may be an incorrect conclusion.
:::I would think that maintaining this potentially cyclical pattern is a good thing.  Since UD cannot be won in the classic sense (all humans/zombies killed/revived), having periods where survivors are dominant gives the zombie groups something to rail against.  When zombies are ascendant, human groups have to work harder to survive (potentially more interesting, since this IS a horror survival game).  This keeps the game relatively fresh for playing. -[[User:Wulfenbach|Wulfenbach]] 21:08, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
::::I read the first two sentences and stopped. The Suburb is not the truth, it is the product of wiki-goers, most of which are chickenshit trenchies and retards. The numbers are obvious. Check the stats pages. Zombies are outnumbered and have been for almost a year. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DimGray|Crimson}}-- 01:18, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::Silence, you arcade-crazed gamer! :)  Yes, Suburb is updated whenever someone gets around to it and their motivation could be of general interest, desire for actual truth, outright fabrication or some other push.  That said, people DO update it.  Of those updates, the results posted are drawn from those actual postings.  Hence the empirical results I posted.  Well, sort of - the potential error range could be enormous, but unless someone actually does a survey of wiki users and their motivations on updating Suburb, well it could be small or huge.  Ditto with the chickenshits vs. retards vs. what-have-you.  Might be worth a joke proposal, but I'll need to finish my current actual one first.  My point is that he was referencing "red suburbs", something primarily associated with [[Suburb]] in the first place, thus the review of past Suburb data to get what I posted.  You do need to actually read past the first two or three lines, DDR.  Yer smarter then that...although I grant, it was a wall-o-text. -[[User:Wulfenbach|Wulfenbach]] 08:06, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Things are actually going quite well. Several of the more bothersome zerg armies have called it a day, several survivor groups are actually trying to take on the higher cost repairs out there, and the FU are doing an excellent job of keeping at least one of the forts trench free. Plus, there's [[Pumpkin]]s. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:12, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
:Now if only we could find Younna's [[Example Page|donkeys]]. We need to form a city-wide search party ASAP!{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 20:40, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
::There's still one in my userspace.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 20:41, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry, there are two.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 20:42, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
::::I found one on your map; what do I win!?{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 20:51, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::No, that's just directing people to the game. Two actual ones. Ah, what the hell, you get a point anyway.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 21:36, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::I'm glad I stopped kira, because he might have killed YOUR [[Example Page|DONKEY]] to protect himself! I can has success?{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 21:54, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'd ask you on Alex koponen's talk page, but he's too busy being a [[Example Page|donkey]] himself. Thanx for teh clues.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 21:58, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Those are the very two I was refferring to. I'll have to start sneaking more in.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 22:02, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
:Imo zombies should be better and more capable of holding a playerbase so they aren't constantly outnumbered in the game. Nerfs aren't an option because in UD nerfs directly mean "less fun", and making a game like UD less fun than before will do nothing but drive existing players away. Zombies need several small direct and indirect buffs to turn the game into chaos like [[The Dead]] brought. Surviving on a last string of resistance, they were the glory days. Bring em back, I say. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DimGray|Crimson}}-- 01:18, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
''Well I disagree, In the past few months it seems to me the zombies are making progress for turning every suburb red. This is bad for game play because if every human dies who's going to revive them. --Monitor001 19:19, 26 November 2009 (UTC) ''
:Lots of us play more than one character. Lots of us have dormant characters. These dormant characters are idled and cannot be killed. These dormant characters have lots of equipment. By equipment, I mean needles.
:"If every human dies who's going to revive them?"
:#Who cares?
:#Sleeping needle factories.
:-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 08:14, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
If UD could use anything, an injection of more players would never be a bad thing. Honestly, just taking a survey of the wiki population, how many players have ''only one'' character?  10% maybe? Aside from simple word-of-mouth, I cannot think of any good ways to advertise the game that don't require money though. --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 08:25, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
:A charity car wash? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:15, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
::If you could get Little Kuriboh to endorse the game, the servers would crash from the massive influx of new players. I don't know why I said that, but I did.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 15:19, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
:The fucking cities dude. Ever think that the advertising and endorsements Kevan does for Dead Set and Diary of the Dead should have gone both ways? Either though DVD notification, or something more relevant (like adds on the Dead Set and DOTD website)? If they have already then I stand mistaken. But Kevan makes entire cities for these promotions, they should be giving him lots of semen/plugs in return. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DimGray|Crimson}}-- 14:37, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
::Actually thats a good point. Why wan't there a sentence about Monroeville in Total Film? They had a building named after them after all. It could have been yahoomas all over again! --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:41, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
== The Great Suburb Group Massacre 2010? ==
What do you say? It's been almost a year since the last one, and although we still have a few weeks left in 2009, I don't see why we can't get it done by the end of the year. Think of it as a wiki-wide resolution. Is anyone in favor of another activity check starting within the next week or so?--{{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 05:39, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think it so necessary just now, but I'd help out. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 05:53, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
::I had talked briefly with Rooster about this and felt that maybe the 2nd week of January would be better since people are likely not to be checking the wiki regularly (if at all) right now due to the holidays and finals and all that jazz.  But yes, it is overdue--as is a Radio Frequency Massacre. --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 06:51, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I'm more up for the timing that Maverick and Iscariot mentioned. It's best to wait until after the New Year before starting. But I'm definitely in favor of another one, and we could probably roll the Radio Frequency Massacre into the same operation...if the group doesn't acknowledge, we can just zap any frequencies they have as well. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 11:07, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Category_talk:Suburb_Group_Listings&curid=129676&diff=1624697&oldid=1624694 It's all in hand]. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 08:52, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
And in fairness should only take 3 weeks. [[Pitneybank]] first time around had 43 groups, now its got 8. Which reminds me, I need to go ask the [[MPD]] if their suburb listings are accurate. Last DEM group to do. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:15, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
:Exactly. These aren't so necessary anymore, it was the initial one that did the job. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 11:18, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
::I want a new sexy template though. The inactive ones Link did for top of pages is fine, but we want something 2010ish for the actual activity check. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:25, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Okays --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 11:29, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
::::So maybe start first week of January?--{{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 00:42, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::Second! --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 01:08, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
::::::If DDR's dead-set on starting on the second week, I have no issue with that either. :P {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 01:28, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I think he means seconded. I could be wrong.--{{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 02:07, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
::::::::I'm guessing he meant "seconded" as well, but I was making an attempt at a tongue-in-cheek comment. It seems I'm too tired at the moment to do so very well. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 02:31, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::It's okay Aichon; we're all tired.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 02:40, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Sorry guys :( I meant the second week. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 06:19, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
== Wiki bug? ==
Anyone else see two misplaced [edit] symbols under the "Become a fan" section of [[Malton Medical Staff]]?{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 04:00, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
:Nope, just you. -{{User:Poodle_of_doom/signiture}} 04:11, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
:The section isn't labeled that, but I see them as well. I'm guessing it might be related to their use of images somehow, but am now sure. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 05:57, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, it's a common problem with images aligned to the right, so I'm not sure why it's happening with ''some'' people when all the images are on the left, it may be the group template, I can't tell cause I can't see it an I can't find a Become a Fan section. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 06:01, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
:::It's actually [[Malton_Medical_Staff#Join_the_Staff.2C_or_be_a_Fan|this section]]. And there's at least one image aligned on the right there. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 06:55, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
::::Yeah, it's a buildup from the section two above that one, because of that long image alongside it, I presume. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 07:19, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::Solution ideas, anyone?{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 15:55, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
::::::A few ideas:
::::::#Use smaller images (i.e. images that are vertically smaller than the sections they are in).
::::::#Use a table/div layout, and place the images in a completely separate column/div. Note that a div within the text will still have the problem.
::::::#Use the <nowiki>__NOEDITSECTION__</nowiki> [[Help:Magic_Words#Behaviour_switches|magic word]] if you don't actually need those edit links.
::::::#Create your own edit links and place them where you want. It's possible, but tricky, and I don't have the code laying around for it at the moment.
::::::Those are my best bets, but they all require changing the page visually somehow. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 19:45, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Thanks Aichon; I'll just kill the edit links.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 21:17, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
::::::: Meh.... --[[Image:Weed.jpg|14px]][[User:Imthatguy|<span style= "color: green; background-color: white">'''''Imthatguy''''']][[Image:Weed.jpg|14px]]''' found some weed '''</span> 20:10, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
== Fixing the mess that is the Guides namespace ==
For the sake of organization, we should make Guides: a proper namespace (via Kevan,) instead of the pseudo-namespace it is now. [[User:Linkthewindow/guidesnamespace|A few pages will have to be moved]] (possibly more.)
Thoughts on this? {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 04:19, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
:Why the hell not. Having proper namespaces created from pseudos doesn't hurt anyone, and guides have been a part of the wiki since the beginning. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 04:25, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
::It makes sense to have it be a proper namespace, but I'm unaware of what it would change at a practical day-to-day basis level. How would this help organization? {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 04:51, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
:::You'll be able to use <nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}</nowiki> properly, and use search to find all guides more easily. Also, my general impression has always been that pseudo-namespaces are Not Good. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 06:42, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
== Dead. ==
Like I said almost ayear ago.<br>
Urban Dead is slowly dieing.........
Well I'mmouta here

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