UDWiki:Open Discussion/Implementation of UDWiki Discord rules

Background

This is an unusual Open Discussion seeing as it's a meta-wiki issue, but we've had some problems in the past 24 hours on the Urban Dead Wiki Discord channel.

Drama caused by an UDWiki-permabanned trouble user coming to Discord has caused a problem with what the community expects of a sysop's responsibilities on Discord. Because the user wasn't banned once the conversation went downhill, users engaged in hostile discussion and eventually sabotaged the discord channel with inane discussion and @everyone spam. As it stands, the following discord (lol) caused more ruckus than Corn's initial arrival. If 'chat disruption' was a banworthy offence, many rightfully angry people would be banned right now.

I understand why the community was frustrated, while also understanding why the sysop team didn't feel able to satisfactorily resolve the issue as it unfolded. On one hand, the community expects fair and decent decision to be meted out efficiently. But on the other hand, sysops don't usually make up rules on the fly. They interpret rules that are decided upon by the community.

Well, I think this is a good chance for us all to discuss whether we should make some ground rules for Discord that the sysops feel more comfortable enforcing. They need to be fair, quickly enforceable, and hopefully not require a drastic increase in oversight. I think it needs to reflect the principles of the wiki, ie. no civility policy. But focus more on avoiding derailment of discussion that temporarily ruins the Discord channel for its regular uses.

Things I think we should avoid is a system as onerous on discussion as UDWiki's vandal system. It needs to be something sysops can quickly act on.

For other users of Discord channels with functioning rules systems, please share them. I'm familiar with IRC systems, not so much Discord, as it stands. Any examples are helpful.

And if anyone wants to discuss the actual drama that unfolded in the past two days, please hash it out on the talk page if necessary. Bring it up if relevant here, but let's focus on the rules at hand please. THE CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER 11:02, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

General Discussion and Thoughts

Other thoughts I had were- Having model non-sysop users given ops on the channel for coverage might be good. We have an opportunity here to avoid red tape associated with the wiki and do things that work for Discord that don't work on the wiki. I'm cool with keeping this chill and not policy-dictated. THE CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER 11:02, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

The Discord is an entirely separate entity created by Bob and only insofar official as no one has bothered to create any competition (as was the case with the UDWiki IRC for a while when there were 2 competing IRC channels). It would ultimately be up to Bob how to handle and how strictly to moderate it, and to the users to vote with their feet. -- Spiderzed▋ 12:12, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Bob as dictator on the wiki would make it easier to kill whatever needs to die. I say go for it! (It seems pretty easy to ban a user on discord) -- King AudioAttack (talk) 12:45, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Having more OPs online would be an excellent idea. The next time the "Totally Not a Nazi Anymore" Permabanned User in question decided to rattle off a laundry list of holocaust denialism, having someone on the spot to take action and forestall another 5 hours of "debate" would probably be helpful. Sniper4625 #4625 - |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ^TMG 13:27, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

"sabotaged the discord channel with inane discussion and @everyone spam"... that's a funny way to say "drew attention to the infestation of literal Nazis and Nazi sympathisers in the server." Fuck you, fuck your family, fuck everyone who has ever crossed paths with you, fuck the specific people who assembled the specific machine you are using to type your words, you Nazi apologist piece of shit. Igotmadenoughtomakeanewaccount (talk)

And if you think disrupting chat and no-platforming a fascist is worse than BEING A NAZI, well, fuck you etc. again. You absolutely worthless waste of space. You outhouse breeze. You schmuck. You hangnail. You piece of dog shit on the heel of a $1000 pair of Oxfords. You crisp lodged in a tooth at just the right angle you can't floss it out. You spineless apologist for all things evil in the world. You brainless toady. You chinless halfman who thinks being white makes him superior by right to all humanity. You umbrella with a hole in it. You absolute fucker. Igotmadenoughtomakeanewaccount (talk) 14:08, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Having just come back to the game, just about the first thing I saw when joining that discord server is literal Nazi propaganda. It shouldn't take 48 hours of debate and a signature from Daddy to decide if Holocaust Denialism is bad. It's an absolute embarrassment, and the fact that none of your "sysops" has the guts to make a stand on LITERAL NAZISM is absolutely appalling. Good luck with player retention if this is the first thing that others see when they start getting involved with the game. --Ocular 14:22, 16 August 2018 (UTC)