https://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki_talk:Administration/Discussion&feed=atom&action=historyUDWiki talk:Administration/Discussion - Revision history2024-03-28T11:14:44ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.37.1https://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki_talk:Administration/Discussion&diff=2092172&oldid=prevKarek: /* Users claiming to be other users */2013-08-28T03:23:58Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Users claiming to be other users</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::In general I agree that it's not good practice to go saying anything about checkuser, but I don't actually think Rev broke any rules in this case. Making the statement that "checkuser says they share an IP address" reveals hidden information with certainty. Making the statement that "checkuser says they don't share an IP address" only tells us that there's insufficient data to say anything with certainty. Additionally, sysops are permitted to reveal checkuser information when it's necessary to do so as part of administrative affairs (but they should always be reasonable when doing so), and Rev had a valid question to ask regarding how an administrative matter should be handled. Moreover, now that I'm thinking of it, [[The_Rules#No_Alts_without_Good_Cause|having alts for no good reason is grounds for banning one of the accounts]] since alts without a purpose can only be used for purposes of bad faith, so between the question he was asking and that fact, Rev had plenty of valid reasons for revealing as little as he did. Again though, I agree that sysops should avoid doing so as much as possible, just because it can get sticky. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 03:15, 27 August 2013 (BST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::In general I agree that it's not good practice to go saying anything about checkuser, but I don't actually think Rev broke any rules in this case. Making the statement that "checkuser says they share an IP address" reveals hidden information with certainty. Making the statement that "checkuser says they don't share an IP address" only tells us that there's insufficient data to say anything with certainty. Additionally, sysops are permitted to reveal checkuser information when it's necessary to do so as part of administrative affairs (but they should always be reasonable when doing so), and Rev had a valid question to ask regarding how an administrative matter should be handled. Moreover, now that I'm thinking of it, [[The_Rules#No_Alts_without_Good_Cause|having alts for no good reason is grounds for banning one of the accounts]] since alts without a purpose can only be used for purposes of bad faith, so between the question he was asking and that fact, Rev had plenty of valid reasons for revealing as little as he did. Again though, I agree that sysops should avoid doing so as much as possible, just because it can get sticky. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 03:15, 27 August 2013 (BST)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::In general I agree that it's not good practice to go saying anything about checkuser, but I don't actually think Rev broke any rules in this case. Making the statement that "checkuser says they share an IP address" reveals hidden information with certainty. Making the statement that "checkuser says they don't share an IP address" only tells us that there's insufficient data to say anything with certainty. Additionally, sysops are permitted to reveal checkuser information when it's necessary to do so as part of administrative affairs (but they should always be reasonable when doing so), and Rev had a valid question to ask regarding how an administrative matter should be handled. Moreover, now that I'm thinking of it, [[The_Rules#No_Alts_without_Good_Cause|having alts for no good reason is grounds for banning one of the accounts]] since alts without a purpose can only be used for purposes of bad faith, so between the question he was asking and that fact, Rev had plenty of valid reasons for revealing as little as he did. Again though, I agree that sysops should avoid doing so as much as possible, just because it can get sticky. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 03:15, 27 August 2013 (BST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::In general I agree that it's not good practice to go saying anything about checkuser, but I don't actually think Rev broke any rules in this case. Making the statement that "checkuser says they share an IP address" reveals hidden information with certainty. Making the statement that "checkuser says they don't share an IP address" only tells us that there's insufficient data to say anything with certainty. Additionally, sysops are permitted to reveal checkuser information when it's necessary to do so as part of administrative affairs (but they should always be reasonable when doing so), and Rev had a valid question to ask regarding how an administrative matter should be handled. Moreover, now that I'm thinking of it, [[The_Rules#No_Alts_without_Good_Cause|having alts for no good reason is grounds for banning one of the accounts]] since alts without a purpose can only be used for purposes of bad faith, so between the question he was asking and that fact, Rev had plenty of valid reasons for revealing as little as he did. Again though, I agree that sysops should avoid doing so as much as possible, just because it can get sticky. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 03:15, 27 August 2013 (BST)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Rosslessnesshttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki_talk:Administration/Discussion&diff=2091546&oldid=prevAichon: /* Users claiming to be other users */2013-08-27T02:15:57Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Users claiming to be other users</span></span></p>
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</table>Boxyhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki_talk:Administration/Discussion&diff=2004230&oldid=prevAichon: /* Block China */2012-05-24T18:17:57Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Block China</span></span></p>
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</table>Revenanthttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki_talk:Administration/Discussion&diff=2004175&oldid=prevShortround: /* Block China */2012-05-24T10:27:16Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Block China</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>why is this being discussed here and not misconduct {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 09:44, 24 May 2012 (BST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>why is this being discussed here and not misconduct {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 09:44, 24 May 2012 (BST)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:FTR i'm not saying that because I think it is. But plenty of people seem to be vehemently against this use of powers so it should be tossed there otherwise it's never going to go anywhere : |</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:Certainly an interesting idea. If there was a method for unregistered visitors to email ops I doubt I'd have any problem with it (also if it actually failed to work in any way in curbing bots I'd suggest it go personally). {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:02, 24 May 2012 (BST)</ins></div></td></tr>
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