UDWiki talk:Administration/Vandal Banning/Archive/2007 07

Mold and Goolina

Careful there, Vista, you don't want to offend the de facto ruler of the wiki with your outlandish trolling of the poor little newbie, now do you? This is the exact sort of shit I got pissed at, and look where it got me. I wouldn't want you to have to bow out simply because you pissed off a couple of limp-wristed pussies. --Cyberbob ^{DORIS CGR U!} 15:16, 10 July 2007 (BST)

I don't see how or why Goolina is included in any of this at all, not even the warning. She didn't do anything wrong, Lovendal has never even said a thing to her about anything, nor has he removed or edited her posts of talk pages until this last one, there is absolutely nothing to suggest Goolina new about Lovendal's threat to Mold or his views on the matter of GC edits on the SR talk page.--karek 15:20, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Her edits have been removed before, and no he didn't "warn" her. That and because I really don't like these complaints made me leave a respectful comment asking her to refrain from it in the future. It's closed now. thank you.-- Vista  +1  15:31, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Gage

Are you fucking kidding me? Are you seriously this much of an asshat? He moved the discussion to Deletions, where it's supposed to go if there are enough keep votes. Holy Christ, man. You really need to get a grip.--Jorm 06:45, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Template:Ohsnap --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF CoL DORIS Hunt!} 06:47, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Sorry Sonny, it's too huge and feth. Yeah, Jorm's right. Gage moved it for the right reasons. Also, you don't like him much, do you?--Lachryma^☭ 06:49, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Except it was kept there by sysop decision, and no voting was supposed to have been made on it. I notice none of you talk about how he changed the text too. Or am I allowed to do that? --Akule ^{Akule News.} 06:51, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Are you a llama? --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF CoL DORIS Hunt!} 06:52, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Are you allowed to edit other people's posts? --Akule ^{Akule News.} 06:53, 10 July 2007 (BST)

I am. But no one else can. --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF CoL DORIS Hunt!} 06:54, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Quote from the deletions page. "A user may choose to move a request from the Speedy Deletion queue to the Deletion Request Queue should they feel that the deletion may attract controversy within the wiki community, but do not wish to cast a Keep vote for the request." End quote. The only real vandalism is that he changed the text alittle bit. He sensibly moved the speedy. I don't remeber Vista saying that he wanted it to stay on speedy, only that he wanted annother sysops opinion. I could be wrong though.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 06:58, 10 July 2007 (BST)

You are. "that means there won't be a vote on it but that it should go straight to bit heaven. I'm leaving it up here until a second sysop gives his opinion as I don't want to restart the drama we had over copywrited work before." So, a sysop ruled no voting and it was staying there until he got another sysop's opinion. Then there's the fact that he "changed the text alittle bit", which when last I checked was vandalism. This means that he made two separate vandalism attempts. --Akule ^{Akule News.} 07:01, 10 July 2007 (BST)

He didn't change the text at all. He kept the original title for the vote and needed a new title for the spam. He picked a name any warrior of the internets would have used. --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF CoL DORIS Hunt!} 07:03, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Last time I checked, pretending that you are someone else when making an edit is a vandal ban, no matter if it is giving a title or editing their text. After all, if people look at it now, it looks like Vista made the title. --Akule ^{Akule News.} 07:06, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Ah, see Akule. I misinterpreted that part the first time reading it through. I was thinking that he meant that this wasn't under normal circumstances. I still say we should leave it in deletions though.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 07:07, 10 July 2007 (BST)

It doesn't look like Vista made that heading, since Vista is agreeing with you.--Lachryma^☭ 07:08, 10 July 2007 (BST)

He didn't impersonate. He split it into two sections. Voting and retarded arguing. A name was created for the voting but not for the retarded arguing so he improvised. --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF CoL DORIS Hunt!} 07:09, 10 July 2007 (BST)

That doesn't matter. A sysop ruled on it, and Gage is not a sysop. Even if he was, he couldn't do what he did, as he would be reversing another sysop's decision and altering text in order to make it seem like Vista made the title. He should have kept the title of what the vote was on (of which there shouldn't have been in the first place), but instead chose to make a personal attack and edit the text. --Akule ^{Akule News.} 07:10, 10 July 2007 (BST)

I don't see how it's a personal attack. He didn't outright call anyone a llama.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 07:13, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Oh? Then why did he change the text, much less to that? Vista chose the title Copywrited Content for the request. Why did his title get changed to QUIT FEEDING THE DAMN DRAMA LLAMA for the talk page? --Akule ^{Akule News.} 07:17, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Here's a personal attack: Akule is a whining, sycophantic, wanna-be lawyer weasel who, just like some other Amazing people, tries to hammer people with the letter rather than the spirit of the law. He's a puerile drama-llama.--Jorm 07:19, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Yep. Thats was definitely a personal attack.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 07:22, 10 July 2007 (BST)

I'll just assume that statement was meant as an example and was fueled by the lack of inclusion in the yahoo article about online games and your recent loss of a cat. Don't worry Jorm. We're here for you. --Akule ^{Akule News.} 07:27, 10 July 2007 (BST)

No, I was serious. I absolutely think you are Amazing II: Electric Boogaloo. I could give a rat's ass about the yahoo article. If I were hounding for publicity, I'd have been in the article. And the cat didn't die.--Jorm 07:35, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Assume makes an ass out of u and me. :)-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 07:29, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Let's just ignore personal attacks, cause apparently that rule doesn't matter if you're a sysop. Anyway, Akule, let it go, it's fine. I thought this was already settled anyway and Sonny has/had decided to change the image(which was what 90% of the discussion was aside from the differences between trademark and copyright). Gage moved it where it should go and moved the off-topic discussion to where it should go, the only issue I can see was the name and considering that this has happened with certain involved people multiple times in the past and the certain involved people knew exactly what would happen when they made the request it could very easily be said the certain involved people did it to cause what did happen knowing full well it would.--karek 07:35, 10 July 2007 (BST)

It'll be removed by me when Kevan decides. --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF CoL DORIS Hunt!} 07:37, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Thanks, but Gage isn't a sysop anymore. He needs to learn that other people are sysops now and he can't go around willy-nilly editing the wiki how he sees fit. He has to respect the sysop's decisions and follow the rules just like everyone else. My charges stand. --Akule ^{Akule News.} 07:38, 10 July 2007 (BST)

You're charges are petty vindictive and pointless. The only reason you're doing this is things didn't go your way and I very much doubt you would be doing the same if someone like say Vista deleted it right of the bat without voting or anything(not even saying he had deleted it/why). Why don't you ask Kevan like Sonny suggests since he is the one who is effected not you.--karek 07:43, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Are they? Let's look at the Speedy Deletion Requests guidelines: "A Speedy Deletion may be circumvented by a single vote of Keep under the request. If this occurs, the system operator shall move the Speedy Deletion request to the Deletion Request Queue, where the normal rules for Deletion of the page shall apply. Further, A user may choose to move a request from the Speedy Deletion queue to the Deletion Request Queue should they feel that the deletion may attract controversy within the wiki community, but do not wish to cast a Keep vote for the request. Should either of these circumstances occur, the deletion candidate should remain in the Deletion Request Queue until the alloted two weeks is up." This means that just by going by the guidelines, Gage could only move it if he wanted to avoid controversy and not cast a keep vote. What was Gage's edit again? Ah yes. A keep vote that was meant to further inflame the controversy and then the talk page edit that also was designed to fuel things. So that's two bad faith edits, one of which was against a sysop's instructions and the other that was impersonating a sysop by editing his post. --Akule ^{Akule News.} 07:50, 10 July 2007 (BST)

I fail to see where he edits the post, moving and editing are two very different things and moving isn't really Impersonation. The only thing I see is that he voted keep on something you wanted deleted, which means this is just a way to get at him for not realizing he shouldn't have voted. Strike his vote and let it go.--karek 07:55, 10 July 2007 (BST)

It's possible.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 08:01, 10 July 2007 (BST)

So he's allowed to edit titles too, in order to make them say whatever he wants, and disobey what other sysops rule? --Akule ^{School's in session.} 08:03, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Discussion, other than voting belongs on the discussion page. --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 08:38, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Akule said:

He has a history of abuse against me in the past

--Cyberbob ^{DORIS CGR U!} 15:08, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Donathin

BP has continually deleted my posts since my very first week playing this game, for nearly a month. Despite so many pleas, he has continually harrassed me and obfusicated the truth on the Ketchelbank page. He reported me previously on another page, and his report was scoffed at. Since then, he has continued to harrass me. When he removed my most recent post (which he has deleted 4 or 5 times now), he stated that he did it because it contained NPOV. Therefor, I edited the NPOV out of both mine and his posts for June 6th to bring the wiki up to standard. Reading his own screenshots shows you that his second sentence was NPOV. How can he be allowed to harrass new players and CONSTANTLY remove their posts? It is obscene that I have been harrassed for a month, and yet I am being reported for a second time (after his first report, once again, was not taken seriously). I'm not aware of all of the correct venues to file a report or to ask for arbitration/protection against a harrassing player (this, due to working 70 hours a week without days off in the summer), but can some moderator please put this to rest and get BP to stop harrassing me. When I read through the history of the Ketchelbank page, I became aware that I was not the first person BP deleted posts from/harrassed about the danger levels of Ketchelbank. I'm not sure why his interactions have gone unchecked for so long, but I'd love to play the game without dealing with his harrassment. Thanks.--Donathin 06:56, 7 July 2007 (BST)

if i may? the only posts i have ever deleted have been ones that do not follow current wiki guidelines. my post was NPOV and was in fact telling the public that the suburb could fall if more help was not aquired. he has changed my post and therefore committed impersonation. and i must say, i am getting reather fed up with this newbie walking in and acting like he owns the place. i have not broken any rules but he is free to bring me to arbies for and "case" he feels should be made.--'BP^Tmz 07:06, 7 July 2007 (BST)

You two are totally awesome to watch. This is almost as good as Doctor Who.--Jorm 07:07, 7 July 2007 (BST)

sigh i know, it's sad. if he would just go away and let the big boys carry on everything would be fine....--'BP^Tmz 07:10, 7 July 2007 (BST)

He's nitpicked, deleted, threatened, insulted, and harrassed me for a month. I'm intelligent and have a will to improve the wiki community, but I've been blocked and frustrated by this guy since starting being active on the wiki. I don't want to argue anymore, I just want someone to tell him to stop interacting with me.--Donathin 07:21, 7 July 2007 (BST)

Then bring up an aribies case. even if i stopped talking to you on your talk page. i will still be able to post danger reports and suburb updates. which wont solve our current problem.--'BP^Tmz 07:26, 7 July 2007 (BST)

Jorm

It was not aimed at Jorm,I mere stated that minimum damage was done compared to the Bi monthly migrations.If he thought it was offensive to him he should have stated so,Instead he called me a Fuck Chimp and told me M.O.B. was not in Shackelville when we have evidence that they are/were.I was given no chance to reply to this before and not make any statement.Seloth 21:19 1 jult 2007 (GMT)

You are lying. You may have *scanned* one or two members of the MOB in Shackleville - perhaps when we were blitzing Kempsterbank - but we are not in Shackleville and I don't remember the last time we were there. While you were crying over losing your arbitration case and harassing me, my team was busy slaughtering everyone in Tapton; we're now in Greentown. Our very public orders thread doesn't mention Shackleville; we do not hide our targets.

You have rapidly moved from being a non-entity to a nuisance. You lost; your group is too small to warrant attention. You have been warned not to antagonize me or my group. Grow a pair, take responsibility for your fuckchimp-ness, and move on.--Jorm 21:26, 1 July 2007 (BST)

More than half of the active mod team ruling against you cant be wrong Seloth. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 22:29, 1 July 2007 (BST)

Actually Jorm,I did win the arbitration case,Maybe not the way I would have liked but if you look back we can see you whining.And this is not to talk of that.And no I didn't lie.I have plenty of people from your group telling me you were in Shackelville.As well as you attacks on the Club.And Jesus,Can you stop saying using the wiki arbitration thing,You keep saying I'm upset over it when you are clearly the one who is as you constantly bring it up.

And Hagnat,So be it((Also when you said half the mod team is against me,Even thought is more than likely not the case but I could have come back and said that other half support me so)).The main problem with the internet is that you cant tell peoples expressions so it was a misunderstanding at my fault.The only thing that annoys me is that Jorm is acting very arrogant and stupid.He is bringing in something entirely different and is clearly upset at something very stupid.As above h is saying ym group is too small when my group is the average number that most groups have.Now I did not do this case for those reasons.I did it because he removed my news and archives.When I went to report him though he had already go there before me.You should have let me have a say before you gave me a warning though.

Seloth, use the button to sign your posts please. --User:Axe27/Sig 23:59, 2 July 2007 (BST)

Seloth 00:00 3 July 2007

You keep saying the same bloody things, and never listen. Don't use community pages (suburb and locations pages) to insult groups under the guise of a sit-rep, and don't post to Jorms talk page now that you know he wants nothing to do with you -- boxy ^{T Nuts2U DA} 02:04, 3 July 2007 (BST)

Well, whatever. If you "won" then I have no idea why you're being such as asshat.--Jorm 02:43, 3 July 2007 (BST)