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Comments here Linkthewindow  Talk  11:50, 10 July 2010 (BST)

DDR just pointed me at his sandbox which has some suggestions in it too. Again, what I've posted on the page is just a suggestion, if anyone's got any others, it would be more then welcome. Linkthewindow  Talk  11:57, 10 July 2010 (BST)


Starship troopers

Most people dont read it anyway, and I dont believe in it. Personally I'd lose it all but the headings, which would have links next to them saying, would you like to know more... --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:58, 10 July 2010 (BST)

I'm basically aiming for what you are suggesting, but keep the really important stuff like how to sign. Linkthewindow  Talk  12:03, 10 July 2010 (BST)
I never looked at mine, but I can definitely see the need for what Link has proposed.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 12:10, 10 July 2010 (BST)

atm no need to add, just remove

Quickly adding to what I said at User talk:Linkthewindow/Making WN Useful:

  • Streamline "general editing" section so it emcompases important stuff like vandalism and outsource the rest to relevant help links
  • Remove project mentor, merge it with the "additional contacts" section at the bottom.
  • Remove "Your page" and "talk pages" section and replace them with links to Help:Creating Pages, Help:Making a Group or Character Page and probably UDWiki:Vandalism
  • Remove 80% of the information under "suggestion pages" because it's already in the suggestion namespace. This was probably because 70% of all suggestions were made in 2007, a further 20% of those in 2008, but the wiki's changed, the number of noob suggestions has dropped dramatically.
  • Remove all the sysops names from "additional contacts". Don't see why they were ever there, it seems forced and makes Axe Hack sad, it also makes me sad. A simple link to Special:Listusers/sysop is good enough. Make a bigger deal out of Project Mentor instead.

That's systematically saying what I think should be done with each section of current WN.

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12:29, 10 July 2010 (BST)

Yeah, suggestions is something that really needs to go, although I do see some value in keeping the DS link so they really know to look at that page. Will need help in simplyfying the rules, although the only one that a newbie really needs to know is something along the lines of act in good faith. It's probably also worth giving impersonation a mention, too. Linkthewindow  Talk  12:38, 10 July 2010 (BST)

I like the trimmed down welcome template. Basically the more simplified it is, the better it will work.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 13:28, 10 July 2010 (BST)

One more thing...

[/uncle] I prefer the background not being white, because the yellow stands out more. If it's white it doesn't seem as important.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 17:24, 10 July 2010 (BST)

A colour, but not yellow. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 17:25, 10 July 2010 (BST)
Yeah, that was just an example, but I really don't like plain background.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 17:32, 10 July 2010 (BST)
blue, -- 17:35, 10 July 2010 (BST)
CornflowerBlue (6495ED) for a header and LightSkyBlue (87CEFA) for the main body?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 17:42, 10 July 2010 (BST)
LightSkyBlue hurts my eyes. Technical Pacifist 17:51, 10 July 2010 (BST)
Alternative? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 17:54, 10 July 2010 (BST)
White. Make it look less like a template. Research shows templates get ignored faster than what seems like standard messages. I've ditched the use of {{WelcomeNewbie}} entirely as a result, and have started using more plain-text drops, as you can see here, number 13 a-c. Projects Mentor and Welcome are quite dead, and instead of pointing people towards them, I've found it much better to point them towards the sysop team, given that the current crop is very active and mostly helpful to new users. If you're going to focus on Projects Mentor and Welcome, you need to make sure they're going to be trafficked more heavily than they are. Nothing to be done! 19:14, 10 July 2010 (BST)
What about adding a link to the signature changeing page? I couldn't find that for nothing.-- Jerrel tlk (82nd!) (Project Unwelcome!). 01:44, 11 July 2010 (BST)
The what? Nothing to be done! 01:46, 11 July 2010 (BST)
The page that tells you how to do all that fancy stuff to your sig. last time i tried to change mine I couldn't for Nothin!-- Jerrel tlk (82nd!) (Project Unwelcome!). 02:23, 11 July 2010 (BST)
Help:Templated Signatures. It's one of, if not the, first search result for "signatures". Nothing to be done! 02:40, 11 July 2010 (BST)
Exactly why I didn't make it in the style of the current WN templates. Yellow/blue makes it look too much like an automatic message/spam, and less likely to be read.
I'm open to suggestions for the "places to look for help" section. Linkthewindow  Talk  02:30, 11 July 2010 (BST)
I think mentor is fine. I hear mentor references being used all the time when a newbie asks for help. -- 03:21, 11 July 2010 (BST)
Project welcome is pretty fail though. -- 03:22, 11 July 2010 (BST)
True, its probably also worth keeping the Mentor list more activily pruned. Linkthewindow  Talk  07:05, 11 July 2010 (BST)
This. Also colors is a bad idea. It's already annoying enough without messing with page formatting if they happen to have it. --Karekmaps?! 16:23, 11 July 2010 (BST)
Indeed. Linkthewindow  Talk  01:04, 12 July 2010 (BST)

I like. Although i'd get rid of everything bar how to sign and a 'feel free to drop by my talk page' thingy. xoxo 03:25, 11 July 2010 (BST)

You forgot a link to ALIM! -- 03:41, 11 July 2010 (BST)
ALiM is still somehow getting a plethora of daily visits with pretty much no help from the 2C boiz. Like seeing your favourite child grow up i feel a mixture of sadness that i'm no longer needed and satisfaction for what a great job i did raising my baby. xoxo 06:34, 12 July 2010 (BST)
Oh get out. You whored that shit hard, alim is the Linsday Lohan of udwiki, ruined and drugfucked and addicted now, not respected at all. I hope you're proud of what you've done. -- 08:05, 12 July 2010 (BST)
Hey, alim still has some class. in between the dross there's the occasional mean girls. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 10:08, 12 July 2010 (BST)
And lindsay's mum couldn't be prouder.xoxo 15:35, 13 July 2010 (BST)

If you have anything

It should be subst'd, not just a template you slap down. When I (used to) welcome people to Wikipedia I tended to relate it to something I'd seen them doing, which is how I'd found them anyway.

Bug Jorm if you really want the skinny according to MediaWiki studies on how welcome templates should be done (short version: they shouldn't). ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 08:18, 16 July 2010 (BST)

Agree that they should be subsisted and malleable. I might just leave the text I've got on the front to use as a template (in the literal sense) and recommend people use it as a starting point for welcoming a user (ie: include tips on creating a group page if that's what they are doing.) Linkthewindow  Talk  09:13, 16 July 2010 (BST)