UDWiki talk:Poll/Classifying Suburb Groups

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Test of a good classifier

If we are going to adopt one of these nominations, it should be able to handle all of these groups. If it has difficulty or would be open to interpretation, then we're no better off with the changes than we were before them. Some of these are obvious, of course, but others of them are perhaps not quite so obvious, depending on how you try to draw the lines. Please keep this list in mind as you evaluate each classification system.

  1. 404: Barhah not found - A ghost town reclamation group that specializes in repairing ruined suburbs.
  2. Big Coffin Hunters - PKs the Dulston Alliance on the grounds that they are bad for survivors.
  3. The Big Prick - Goes around mass-reviving zombies.
  4. British Broadcasting Corporation - A news organization.
  5. Cobra - A PKing group.
  6. Escape - A group with no objectives other than to survive for a certain number of days, then commit suicide.
  7. Dead Air - A zombie group that works to destroy the cell phone towers in the game.
  8. Feral Undead - A group of loosely aligned zombie players.
  9. Illuminati - A bounty hunter group.
  10. Malton College of Medicine - Is known for their organized lectures and first aid runs.
  11. Malton Telephone - Works to maintain the cell phone towers in the game.
  12. Organization XIII - Fights for whichever side is in the minority.
  13. Philosophe Knights - A group which tries to benefit and educate survivors by using PKing as a teaching instrument.
  14. RDD - A death cult group that has career zombies and PKers in it as well.
  15. The Ridleybank Resistance Front - The zombie group that defines zombie groups.
  16. St. Ferreol's Hospital Noise Abatement Society - A territorial zombie group.
  17. Soldiers of Crossman - A survivor group.
  18. Urban Anonymous - A nonsensical zombie-human alliance group.
  19. Z.A.L.P. - A life cult group.
  20. Zerg Hunters Unlimited - A zerg hunting group.

(From Aichon)

Discussion

This is dumb. since when did we have to make workarounds to our base classifications just to benefit niche groups? -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 01:08, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

If we want to keep on truckin' with the current system, that's fine with me. It's no water off my back. That said, our base classifications back in the day was just Survivor and Zombie. Hostile was thrown in --really as a stop-gap measure--because no one knew better, and no one really cared. In my experience, I think Hostile today means different things to different people. Which can be a problem if you truly believe the Suburb pages should be a resource for neutral game information.
Yeah, maybe this is a waste of time and maybe at the end of the day, the community will want to keep the current system while whistling "Daisy Bell," but we can at least see where people stand. As far as doing this to benefit niche groups, well, I think the winds are blowing toward either something based entirely on the game classes (you are either dead, or you are not dead) or active / not active. But we should at least see. -MHSstaff 01:27, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
Yarp, I can see why this poll will be useful.~Vsig.png 01:40, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
All we really really need is for people to stop being silly cunts about this thing and let it work out how it used to. Nothing to be done! 01:45, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
^^^^^^^^^^^-- ϑanceϑanceevolution 05:36, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

I'd like to point out that the template talk page has already shown that there is interest in at least evaluating the current system, and polling the community on how they feel things are working, and if there might be better alternatives. There may not be. The real point of a poll at this stage is to make sure we are actually asking the right questions to gauge those viewpoints. Yeah. We get it. Railing against the system and/or defending your favorite suburb group POV/status quo, while hot and sexy, is sorta down the road and stuff. Let's not put the cart before the horse on this. -MHSstaff 01:57, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

What I am trying to say is if this is actually not needed, well, it should come out anyways in the poll results. -MHSstaff 02:02, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Dual Nature is not a "niche" style of play -- it's not only how the game was intended to be played, but it's now the #1 "group" in the stats. But the Dual Nature renaissaince is not reflected in the current group categorisations. Imnsho this is the most important failure to redress. Next, groups which openly PK but do so selectively and in the name of a pro-survivor cause are not a "niche" style, either. There are not only the Philosophe Knights, but many other groups who take this approach. Now, "ideologically" speaking, I think all PKers are pro-survivor just like all the other revive juicers who hide behind barricades... But realistically speaking, they are a distinct faction. Even if they all taste like chicken.... "Hostile" was created to be able to describe these PKers, GKers, overbarricaders, etc. etc. -- all of whom play mostly as survivors but prey on or disrupt other survivors. I don't like the term "Hostile," personally, but I can't think of anything better, can you? Anyway.... these are the categories I think need to be reflected in the listings. --WanYao 05:39, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

I never specified duel nature. Look above. I'm talking about most of those. We don't need a "educates people via PKing section" for PK do we. Add dual nature if you want to, we dont need to go on massive "ONE FOR ALL" democracy trips to have it done :| -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 05:42, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
Eh. Honestly, I see this as a dry-run of the Poll system more than anything. I expect most of the ones to die except for Survivor/Zombie/Dual Nature or Active / Historical. -MHSstaff 05:47, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
Some things don't change here, do they? DDR still sets up straw man arguments and in so doing pats himself on the back and thinks he's made Wan Yao look bad. Cute.
Anyway.... I was very clear about what I think the groups list should reflect. And it was nothing like the weird shyte you just described. Go read my comment again. Slowly, carefully this time. --WanYao 05:49, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
What the fuck are you talking about? I was agreeing with you -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 05:50, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
To clarify, I didn't read your whole text wall of doom, because the first sentence was the bit that addressed me and it's the only thing I feel obliged to answer. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 05:51, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I think DDR is really talking more about me and Vapor with the "one for all democracy." Sounds like all that 'crat power finally went to his head. -MHSstaff 05:52, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
Well, I was going to apologise for the misunderstanding. But since you can't even take the time first to read the things you reply to, DDR... whatever... And fuck, 6 edit conflicts, sheeesh --WanYao 05:53, 1 March 2011 (UTC)