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Aichon

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Announcement: I'm no longer active. My talk page is still your best bet to get in touch. —Aichon— 04:39, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

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Thanks. —Aichon—

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Anyway

Clearing out a lot of stuff, and starting again. As such, what userscripts and add ons would you suggest I now use, pro survivor/dual nature with no interest in PKing. (Chrome). --I'm not the Ross UDWiki needs, I'm the Ross it deserves. 19:08, 20 September 2012 (BST)

I'm probably not the best person to ask, since I mostly just use all of my own scripts (except where noted otherwise), given that I was my own target audience for them, and the userscripts section on the wiki was recently cleaned out of all the outdated ones that don't work, so it's pretty easy to glance through. I guess I would say UDMap, A-GPS Coordinates, and UDICOS at a minimum. If it were me, I'd also install Barrista, but some people either don't like it, can't get used to it, or can't use it with some other scripts, so your mileage may vary. After that, the rest of my scripts tend to become more about preferences and presenting information more clearly, and less about actually making the game easier to manage, but I'd also grab Building State Colorizer and would suggest looking through my other ones to see if something stands out. Besides my own, the only ones I use are UD BiggerSpeechBox (and before Rev chimes in, I prefer his older version to the newer script that he claims replaces it), which makes the text boxes bigger so you can see more of what you're typing, and UD Radio Accelerator, which saves you a single IP hit if you're re-tuning a radio. —Aichon— 19:48, 20 September 2012 (BST)

Thank you sir, I'll have a look at all but the radio one. Remind me to vote for you next time you're running for something. --I'm not the Ross UDWiki needs, I'm the Ross it deserves. 19:53, 20 September 2012 (BST)

I've actually given some thought to not withdrawing my name from the running for 'crat like I routinely did in my last term as sysop. Haven't made up my mind either way, however. —Aichon— 20:01, 20 September 2012 (BST)

Do it. --I'm not the Ross UDWiki needs, I'm the Ross it deserves. 21:30, 20 September 2012 (BST)

I'm serious. The last competitive vote was last August.Since then they've been shameful coronations. Plus you're everything I'm not. Technically savvy, Literate, Involved in groups on a regular basis, American, on good terms with Thad, the list is endless. Besides, as I always say, Crats do nothing. Interestingly the current RE bid suggests that people seem to want us to do more, but it's no different to being a sysop. I'd be interested to know what your impression of the position is.--I'm not the Ross UDWiki needs, I'm the Ross it deserves. 21:30, 20 September 2012 (BST)

Regarding me being what you're not...I'm not so sure about your list. You and I tend to get lumped together somewhat often when the different types of sysops are compared. And I know they do next-to-nothing most of the time, but that's actually an argument for why I shouldn't run, since it means my presence or lack thereof in the seat would make no difference. And when those moments where the 'crats actually need to wave their 'crat badge and step into drama show up, I do not envy you guys at all, since I honestly believe that those are the most difficult and can be the most contentious decisions on the wiki, bar none.

As for my impression, if my stance is that sysops set the tone for the wiki, as I said in Karek's A/RE, I'd extend that to say that the 'crats are the ones that set the tone for the sysops. They may not have much to do, but they are in the unique position of being able to offer official criticisms of sysops outside of the context of A/M, which I think carries far more power than everyone else has realized, and their ability to veto or offer suggestions to candidates can allow them to steer the direction of the wiki in subtle ways that need to be carefully managed so as not to be abused. Generally speaking, 'crats should be stable, responsible, and impartial, I would say, since if any of those are missing at the top, the entire thing tends to fall over or apart. —Aichon— 22:02, 20 September 2012 (BST)

We get lumped together? Random. I agree that stability is a strong argument, but I think it also breeds complacency. I demand more people run for sysop. I want the likes of Peralta, MhsStaff, Thad (again), Bob Moncrief et al to be ambitious, to change what this place is. Then I can retire. --I'm not the Ross UDWiki needs, I'm the Ross it deserves. 22:15, 20 September 2012 (BST)

Sure. I've seen Thad lump us together a few times in the past, I know, and I'm pretty sure others have as well (can't recall what the basis was, however). As for what you said, I tend to agree that it can breed complacency, but I think the fact that A/BP is a vote acts as a natural balance for any complacency that might set in, just because it is so easy to oust a 'crat for pretty much any reason at all. And some new blood on the team would be a nice breath of fresh air, both for the added energy they bring as well as the new perspectives they would have.

Speaking of which, I'd love to see a policy that would set a consecutive term limit on sysops, after which they'd be forced to take a break from being a sysop for at least a few months before running again. It'd force some turnover in the rank and would also give them a refresher on what it feels like to be on the outside looking in. I know that for me, after I had been out for a few weeks, I came to appreciate just how silly I had allowed myself to get in the way that I mentally approached different topics, and I told myself that if I were to ever get nominated again later I would do my best to be vigilant against ruling based on silly technicalities and minor failures to abide by bureaucracy. —Aichon— 22:51, 20 September 2012 (BST)

It's a trade off honestly. It's easy to forget how easy to forget it can be why we do certain things and it's easy to assume bias over ignorance when you've got the keys and feel the need to know. I'd honestly prefer to see 'crat rollover limits over sysop ones if for no reason other than it's so easy to consistently have the same team as 'crats. Go with what you know always has some sway in votes, particularly when no one gives you a reason to really be upset with them as a 'crat most of the time. Also there should totally be an A/VB like linkdown attached to promotions bids of all sorts. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 03:27, 22 September 2012 (BST)

Maybe term limits all around? And quite true. People are almost always content to vote for what they know over an unknown. —Aichon— 08:06, 22 September 2012 (BST)

Oh, one other note: a recent version of Chrome made it so that clicking on userscript links will not automatically install the script. The way to install them now is to click the link (which will download the script), open up the Extensions window in Chrome (chrome://chrome/extensions/ <-- this link), then drag the script from your downloads folder onto the Extensions page. In fact, I need to add this note to my userscript page. —Aichon— 21:12, 20 September 2012 (BST)

hi

did i do the talk page thing right lol i am new at this.--SA 02:26, 22 September 2012 (BST)

You done fine. Just don't do it again. ;) —Aichon— 08:06, 22 September 2012 (BST)

gosh i guess i didnt do it right then did i? also keep up that good copy pastin non-words on a mobile device! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SA (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

You undermine your wikinewb street cred when you reference the edit notes that someone else made. :P —Aichon— 20:20, 22 September 2012 (BST)

like there are any rules to rule da spambits

uptight bastard! --User:Sexualharrison21:08, 27 September 2012

Any good game has rules in order to encourage people to play along certain paths while eliciting creative methods to bend the rules. Just doing it outright is boring and serves no purpose. Besides, I'm playing by the rules too. I'm only undoing it when I'm processing reports or when you do it without making a report, that way it's a competition of sorts, rather than a source of tension. —Aichon— 21:42, 27 September 2012 (BST)

Of course, games should be fun because of the rules, so if you think that the rules make things non-fun, I'm open to alternative rules for a game (within reason). ;) —Aichon— 21:53, 27 September 2012 (BST)

i like grim's take on the rules. but you are right, it's better when i sneak em' in thar.--User:Sexualharrison21:12, 1 October 2012

Grim's take? F 'em? —Aichon— 21:17, 1 October 2012 (BST)

Whatever

Now get more people to run for stuff so I can retire. --I'm not the Ross UDWiki needs, I'm the Ross it deserves. 20:30, 1 October 2012 (BST)

No need for "whatever"s. :P I made it clear in my comment on his A/RE which way I would go with the decision were it left solely up to me. My initial draft actually didn't have that in it, but I decided to add it specifically to avoid leaving you hanging since I knew you would want as much input as you could get. But the end decision was yours to make alone, regardless of my opinion on the matter, so there wasn't much any of us could do. And, as per my comments in the heading up above, I think the sorts of encouragements and chastisements you offered are valuable, so I'm glad you made use of them.

As for more people, you do know that all you have to do is withdraw from the running for 'crat next time your seat comes around, right? It worked for me when I wanted to stay out of the position. ;) —Aichon— 20:40, 1 October 2012 (BST)

I just worry about where boxy is. His is coming up really soon. --I'm not the Ross UDWiki needs, I'm the Ross it deserves. 20:50, 1 October 2012 (BST)

I'll be putting myself up for boxy's seat, I think, just because he has been spotty in his activity recently. He's always been one to come and go, however, so this isn't surprising or a reason for concern, nor is it the first time someone has had to cycle a promotion/evaluation when he failed to voice an opinion (in fact, I believe he was AWOL for my first promotion, which DDR had to process). Anyway, boxy is great when he's around, and I'm sure he'll be back whenever he's done with whatever it is that has his attention. Also, the reason I didn't envy you on this A/RE was not because of the decision (it was obvious how the evaluation should go, I thought), but rather because it was landing solely on you, meaning that any flak that did come up would be yours alone to handle. That's not particularly fair to you, since it should be a shared burden. —Aichon— 21:08, 1 October 2012 (BST)

A/BP Questions

This section is for questions that would have been aimed at me during the upcoming A/BP elections, since I probably won't be here to answer questions during the voting period. —Aichon— 22:38, 3 October 2012 (BST)

What's a crat for? --I'm not the Ross UDWiki needs, I'm the Ross it deserves. 21:57, 3 October 2012 (BST)

On a technical level, they're just here to process stuff that's related to managing sysops, so that means things like handling promotions, processing re-evaluations, and handing out notices regarding inactivity. I'd also suggest that, as an elected position, there's an expectation that they'll put themselves aside a bit more in those particular duties than they might in their sysop-level duties. Essentially, however, they are here to perform administrative functions that sysops are not well-suited to perform.

More generally, however, I would suggest that a 'crat is here to provide direction for the administrative team, as per some of the comments I offered up above. That's not to say that they should be pursuing a personal agenda to upset the wiki. Rather, they should be the ones challenging the team to treat everyone fairly, give things more careful thought, be more active in the community, and generally just be better sysops. They'll also use A/RE as an opportunity to provide correction and encouragement to the rest of the team.

I also see the 'crats as being in the best position to shake things up. Because their position is an elected one, it's relatively easy for a new guard to unseat the old guard by using the 'crat elections, allowing them to bring in some fresh blood to the position and get someone at the top that's encouraging movement in new directions. —Aichon— 22:38, 3 October 2012 (BST)

Question Would your run for the crat seat be influenced by Boxy running or not running? -- Spiderzed█ 22:16, 3 October 2012 (BST)

No, it would not. Boxy's general state of inactivity is one of the primary reasons why I am running, so even if he does return for the elections (and I do hope he does), it doesn't change the fact that he has generally been spotty in his activity over the last several months, notably so with Karek's recent A/RE. I trust boxy to be an excellent sysop and 'crat when he's around, which is why I almost always vote for him, but I'm not sure that I can trust him to be around at the moment. The other reason I am running is that I am simply not as averse to taking on additional responsibility as I was in the past. —Aichon— 22:38, 3 October 2012 (BST)

Question. Thoughts on the second law of thermodynamics? --I'm not the Ross UDWiki needs, I'm the Ross it deserves. 22:21, 3 October 2012 (BST)

The entropy one? I believe it, to say the least. I also believe that the general concept applies in a number of non-physics contexts, including religion, linguistics, and group dynamics. Were you interested in my discussing something in particular on the subject? —Aichon— 22:38, 3 October 2012 (BST)

Nothing in particular. Just it's always a good question. Plus I think it's relevant to UD. --I'm not the Ross UDWiki needs, I'm the Ross it deserves. 22:42, 3 October 2012 (BST)

I'd certainly agree. I mentioned group dynamics, and I definitely think that applies to a game like this, where the amount of energy decreases as time goes on, meaning that less and less can get done until/unless you have an influx of fresh energy from a set of new players. And that ties in with what I was talking about with 'crats being the key position when a new group of players arrive. —Aichon— 22:46, 3 October 2012 (BST)

Followup Tied to the above,should reevaluation and promotion metrics be lessened given the current activity level of both the game and the wiki? -MHSstaff 22:49, 3 October 2012 (BST)

Perhaps at some point in the future, but most of the metrics are qualitative, not quantitative, so decreased activity across the wiki is not yet a good excuse, in my mind, for lowering the bar on what it takes to be a sysop. If the wiki got to the point where very few people were sustaining 500 edits every 6 months, we could definitely reevaluate that rule, but otherwise I don't see any problems with the current rules, and they've always had a bit of leeway built in anyway. —Aichon— 23:05, 3 October 2012 (BST)

Question Am I going to hit inclusion limits on this? And what are some ways I can make the code better and Aichon-fied? -MHSstaff 22:48, 3 October 2012 (BST)

As long as you keep doing it as you are, I think you'll be okay if you do 100 suburbs, though if you used bgcolor instead of style="background:..." you could shave off even more, which may matter more with TRPs that show up more often. As for "Aichon-fied"...umm...I'd probably choose a different colors, such as a brownish-beige for buildings and maybe purple instead of hot pink for NT facilities. I.e. Something more like the colors of the barricade plans. Other than that, I don't really see anything that stands out. —Aichon— 23:05, 3 October 2012 (BST)

Question Are you willing to oil wrestle with Ross for the title of "Supreme Crat," if not is there a different medium you are willing to wrestle in? -- _{Org XIII} ^Alts 22:56, 3 October 2012 (BST)

No, I would melt in all of that activity, and no, see previous reason. —Aichon— 23:08, 3 October 2012 (BST)

How about jello rock-em sock-em robots? -- _{Org XIII} ^Alts 23:09, 3 October 2012 (BST)

I don't even. What. core dump 0xF0E56C29, see log for details —Aichon— 23:12, 3 October 2012 (BST)

Question If you win that grudge-match, do you think it is better for Ross to crawl around like a broken, soul-crushed pariah, vainly looking for a place to die, or should he be put down instead? -MHSstaff 22:59, 3 October 2012 (BST)

If I were to win, I would assume it was because Ross had fallen asleep. As such, he should not be disturbed. —Aichon— 23:09, 3 October 2012 (BST)

Note to self: Candidate is anti-jello rock-em sock-em robots, and is soft on bureacrat mercy killings. -MHSstaff 23:16, 3 October 2012 (BST)

Agreed. I'm not sure I can vote for someone who won't either unarmed or using children's toys fight in some type of food. I expected more, Aichon. :P -- _{Org XIII} ^Alts 23:21, 3 October 2012 (BST)

Oh, is that what you meant? I thought you meant rock-em-sock-em robots made out of Jello, which utterly confused me. I'm perfectly fine with a bout of rock-em-sock-em while seated in Jello, provided we're talking about the colored stuff and not the pudding. Or at the very least, not Jello rice pudding. —Aichon— 23:25, 3 October 2012 (BST)

Well, at least now I won't have to wonder if I should run or withdraw. Thanks for that. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 02:35, 4 October 2012 (BST)

Typical

You turn up and are immediately helpful. --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 22:49, 13 October 2012 (BST)

I'll be more helpful after I've gotten done going through a few dozen e-mails I need to check and have finished some work that needs to be done for tomorrow. ;) Also, I detest the fact that my Watchlist only went back to the 8th. I feel like I missed a few days of things entirely. —Aichon— 22:51, 13 October 2012 (BST)

Not a lot. Just look at protections. That's the only new stuff. --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 22:55, 13 October 2012 (BST)

Yeah, I hadn't started looking at Karek's stuff at all just yet, though I plan to sometime this evening. I skimmed some of the discussion, however, and aside from a lack of focus, it sounds like folks were thinking along the right veins. —Aichon— 22:58, 13 October 2012 (BST)

There are also the resolved A/REs (General down, Rev kept), and the running A/BP. That along with the main page discussion is all the administrative stuff happening currently. -- Spiderzed█ 23:03, 13 October 2012 (BST)

Glad to hear there wasn't anything else lurking somewhere. I saw some discussion regarding the sidebar as well, but I figure that's all included with the main page stuff. —Aichon— 23:06, 13 October 2012 (BST)

It is, the new main page design I threw up and the Sidebar and, eventually, the Community Portal(which has a note on it's talk page too) are all somewhat related. The sidebar stuff looks like it's just about good to go and the main page stuff possibly needs another revision and some fresh input. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 00:20, 14 October 2012 (BST)

I'll see if I have anything helpful to add tomorrow, but I'm hoping I'll just have a "looks awesome! let's run with it!" to add. I'd look at it right now, but I'm always scared that I'll end up with a strong opinion that runs contrary to what everyone else is thinking, and I'm in no condition to argue something like that right now if that were the case. —Aichon— 02:21, 14 October 2012 (BST)

Hello there

-"(diff | hist) . . Template:Yagoton Groups‎; 17:00 . . (-47) . . Aichon (Talk | contribs) (Removing The Smiths. As per the guidelines for this page, they must be linked. If they're a regular group, encourage them to make a page, even if it's just a line or two. :)"

Roger that. Even though my intention was to try to get them to make a group page by giving them recognition. Heh. -- •Eagle of Fire• 

 •[Talk]•  00:28, 15 October 2012 (BST)

Yeah, it can be a bit of a chicken-and-the-egg type of problem sometimes, what with them not wanting to bother with a page since it's not linked, but being unable to link it because it doesn't exist. The rule is mostly there to ensure that there's always a designated way to contact groups who are on the wiki, otherwise we have run into all sorts of problems in the past, particularly when cleaning up those lists. If you can get them to put up a few lines about themselves though, that'd be awesome, and it definitely can't hurt them at all, I'd imagine. —Aichon— 00:32, 15 October 2012 (BST)

You can totally still do that by mentioning them in DangerReports and Yagoton Suburb news if that helps. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 01:54, 15 October 2012 (BST)

Yeah, I hear ya both. I actually did it at the same time in the group section in Yagoton page as well as on The Abandoned group page. Even then it is a long shot... The group is actually pretty active (I can see it every day) but they don't bother registering to our forums nor to they bother with the Wiki. I don't think they are caring much unfortunately. And since many of their members have similar names it is easy to think about zerging. I was actually hoping they'd get here so we can clear that out too. -- •Eagle of Fire• 

 •[Talk]•  02:46, 15 October 2012 (BST)

Anyway

Yeah. --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 18:36, 16 October 2012 (BST)

I know what you mean. —Aichon— 18:37, 16 October 2012 (BST)

cheers and glad

glad someone noticed i placed some suggestions though im not a newbie at forms like this just very forget >> lolz and used to play urbandead just getting back into swing of it i played about 4 to 5 years ago ( character has ironicly vanished) btw what do you think of the other suggestions i have quite a few buzzing in my head but just cant get them down on paper i do think that the hand weapons like bats should have a higher hit ratio seems a shame that everyone goes more for a knife --Heheevilme 16:14, 17 October 2012 (BST)

Well, the food suggestion has been brought up before, so it's unlikely to get much traction this time around, and the ability to pass items from one character to another is, as the others already pointed out, something that could be pretty badly abused by zergers. As for makeshift weapons, the idea is interesting, but I'd have to do the math on it before I could throw my support behind it. —Aichon— 16:32, 17 October 2012 (BST)

understandable that everyone needs time to think over it makeshift weapons idea came to me in a few games ive played over the years and though why not suggest it the idea is basically rough though any way you could improve it would be great as i am not all to similar with games ratio --Heheevilme 17:29, 17 October 2012 (BST)

Congratulations

There are no guides to being a crat. I'd suggest reading Grims misconduct archive and do the opposite.

My advice? Try not to fuck up. --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 23:58, 21 October 2012 (BST)

Grim just needed to be cleverer. For instance, edit the JS for the site so that it removed all log entries regarding the actions he's taking as he's taking them...wait...did I just say that out loud? —Aichon— 00:23, 22 October 2012 (BST)

*waits for the inevitable Aichon destroying UDWiki event* --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 00:53, 22 October 2012 (BST)