User talk:Bob Moncrief

For the 2012 archive, see User:Bob Moncrief/Talk Archive.

Greets to you!

Thank you for the warm welcome. My name is Tank and I've been playing Urban Dead since 2006 but I just so recently found out how to work my way around this site. Now that I've finally gotten the hang of things, I'll be able to update information and be as helpful as I can. I can't really think of anything else to say so stay in touch, good buddy! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tank1777 (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

Responded on your talk page. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 22:42, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again for your guidance, it is highly appreciated. I wish you all the best and have a happy new year!

--Tank1777 03:39, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Cookie Munster

Thanks for the cookie Bob. That makes two people who've read my descriptions. :) Have a great 2013.--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 21:01, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome

Thanks for the warm welcome! I just started playing UD again recently and I fell in love with the wiki as soon as I found it. I'll see you 'round! - Waferelite —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Waferelite (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

We do what we can

—Aichon— 04:25, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

SoC suck btw.--SA 06:56, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

JErdon rules crowbank > Sucker of Cocks A ZOMBIE ANT 09:44, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

SA, I know you're just jealous. If you'd like to apply, our recruitment is currently open. —Aichon— 06:31, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Are you guys currently looking for a death cultist?--SA 08:04, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

There was talk of making a Zombies of Crossman spinoff group, headquartered at the Crossman Auto Repair down in Wray Heights, but we never really tried to get it off the ground. So...no, I guess we don't. —Aichon— 04:25, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

That's what I thought. :I --SA 13:33, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

You could always join as a reformed Death Cultist who has seen the light/gone to the dark side of being a survivor. ;) —Aichon— 15:47, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Batshit Insane > errythang --SA 20:39, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, spoke too soon XD This group just doesn't want to leave North Darvall alone, do they? Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 14:17, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Dangit. —Aichon— 06:31, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the Welcome!

Thanks for the warm welcome to the wiki! I have had a UD account (or three) for a while, but never got super into them...want to find an active group to join so I stick around!

I do have one question though...how does one edit their signature, as I've seen done a bunch? - Quinnr 23:24, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Whoops, I got it after some searching. Thanks for the welcome! ^{^}Quinnr^{^} 23:45, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Definitely! And good job catching on so quickly! Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 03:11, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I used to watch the wiki way too much for my health. I plan to actually contribute this time though, the one thing I didn't really have when I started Urban dead, and why I disappeared, is no social interaction!~Quinnr^W! 03:20, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

THANKS MAN

thanks for the warm welcome,i just figured out how to post in this wiki.lol.a question though is there a mobile version for UD or the wiki?my phones old and slow so a mobile version would help speed things up.thanks again! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Paynetrain (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

It looks like Quinnr answered on your talk page. Good thing too, because I know zilch about skins XD Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 18:52, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Sig Fix

Thanks for the talk page fix! I was about to poke Payne when I got an edit conflict message with you! *laughs* ~Quinnr^W! 14:19, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Sure thing XD I saw the issue and decided to jump before more pages got turned bright red. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 14:23, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

sorry man

sorry i forgot about the sig man!am i allowed to delete my vote?--PayneTrain 14:48, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes, you definitely are. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 16:16, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Danger Status Guide

I've taken all of your suggestions into account and implemented them on the Danger Reports Guide page! So, if you'd like to take a look at it, they are all up there now. Thanks a bunch for taking the time to read it :) ~Quinnr^W! 23:23, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

radical feminism

Had the biggest fucking lol. Well done my man. A ZOMBIE ANT 09:28, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

CoS thanks you for the welcome!

Thanks, I used to use my brothers account Seargentgoo to start a new Group. Thought i Berger get my own account... Chinese armys orders just stopped coming so me and Conski McGoo started our own Group... We are already in control of 1 mast and we should be moving South soon! Even though numbers in UD are going down we shall fight to the end! --Terrorist Ninja 02:05, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!

I could certainly use some help on my group page i'm editing, having some problems. CyberOpposition 02:16, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Responded on your talk page. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 16:08, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for following up on that! I'm studying graphic design and started the group as a way to show off some of my work as I like subjects on the military, conspiracy and zombies. d: I'm getting a better idea at where I want the group to go. But I don't have much knowledge about the UD wiki page so maybe you could give me some pointers or critiques? CyberOpposition 11:51, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Re: WMU

Yes, I am the Samhain Sam also & yes, I am the creator of WMU and wishing to blank out the page. It was a failed group that never caught on. I guess I could have gone thru other channels but I thought if the creator blanked it out then there would be no problems. Either way, I'm kind of done with it. If you don't mind, could you erase the Samhain Sam account. I'll be using this new one from now on out. Thanks. --Samhain Sammy 02:34, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I actually read all of your post.  :) I'll do as you requested. Thanks. --Samhain Sammy 02:36, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks and request.

First of all, thanks for the kind welcome, but could you possibly remove my account here? I won't be coming back here. As with the rest of the internet (which I've been both fortunate and unfortunate enough to see rise from it's earliest beginnings to it's current form) there are some good people here, capable discussion, debate and decency, however there are also those that find enjoyment in being as rude and obnoxious as possible in conveying their point. I have to admit, the more I see of society changing as it becomes connected, the more I am solidly convinced that we could improve the world by identifying and allowing homicidal sociopaths to sate their desires in a controlled manner on those without any modicum of restraint or courtesy. --Minothor 19:03, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the Welcome!

Thank you for welcoming me to the wiki. I see even my small wiki updates have already attracted some new Zombies/Survivors to my area in game. I guess that was to be expected. If you could give me some help on how to update things like suburb pages and the Zombie reporting tools I could use the help and I'm sure the wiki could use the help keeping up with the suburb updates.

Happy hunting!

--Mowens 22.37pm 05 March, 2013

Thanks for the screencap Bob!

That was most excellent of you. I hope you enjoyed meeting Triumph. I certainly enjoyed reading it and posting it at the Late Night TV Crue's page!-- 20:26, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

It was my pleasure! I always love when my in-game and wiki lives intersect, especially in such an entertaining fashion. Cheers! Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 03:06, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

pssst, technically your sig image is too tall. just letting you know. i personally don't give a shit about it though.--SA 05:17, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

cheers mate, thanks for the welcome User:Sigga 11:26, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Don't think...

...that I didn't see this. It's what prompted me to start on it. Feel free to chip in. There's a to-do section at the bottom of the main page. Even the to-do section needs work at this point. —Aichon— 04:42, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

I thought that was a little coincidental... I may jump on this tomorrow morning - just checking in and out right now while I write a paper. Great job so far! Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 05:08, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

A Question

I've noticed spam gets replaced with the bp template before being deleted. Since I'm rapidly becoming a Recent Changes Stalker anyway, I wanted to ask if I should replace spam with the template, as well as reporting to the adbots page. You seemed the expert on that. --  FOXLION    07:58, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, you should. I've been doing the replacing when I notice you've missed it. It's mostly just a convenience anyway - since all the bots ever seem to create is their own user page - but occasionally one will make a talk page, or something like that, so having the {{bp}} template makes it easier for the sops to spot which page needs deletion. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 16:39, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

All right, thank you for clarifying. I wanted to make sure it was not a syops duty before replacing uploads that were not mine. --  FOXLION    05:24, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

the cool kids use this {{spambot}}--User:Sexualharrison01:39, 15 March 2013

Thanks for that

I would've figured out the danger report editing's eventually, but thank you for the tip! I'm still learning how to drive this thing, ha. (Now let's see if I somehow manage to damage your entire talk page...) --Galaxina11 21:34, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Question

Thanks for the welcome. Anyway, I was wondering how I could spend my skill points. Do I have to wait until I have enough points to use? Also, this may be far-fetched but have you heard of any activity within MDK? Thanks a lot. --sfdrk 15:43, 14 March 2013 (EST)

Certainly! Regarding skill points, you will have to wait until you have enough to buy a skill, which depends on your class (some classes get certain skills more cheaply or more expensively). A "Buy Skills" button should appear on the left-hand side of the game page, near the other buttons. For more, check out the Skills and Experience Points articles. Regarding MDK, I'm almost certain they're still active, but I don't think they check the wiki very often. Hope that helps! Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 15:05, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Re: Welcome!

Howdy and thanks for the warm welcome Bob! I have high hopes for my participation in Urban Dead and on the Wiki. I do have a few questions though. First, how do I get the nifty content box on my talk page? Second, can users have multiple wiki accounts for multiple characters? Thanks for welcoming me! --BeatMyAces 22:08, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

I know I'm not Bob, but would you by chance be referring to {{Character}} when you're talking about the content box? As for accounts, yes, you can have more than one. That said, the practice is mildly discouraged since it's easy to abuse and has been in the past (e.g. voting multiple times, making it appear that there's a consensus on a topic by agreeing with yourself, creating artificial drama by arguing or edit warring with yourself, etc.). So long as you use your accounts for roleplaying and don't abuse them, I doubt anyone would mind. —Aichon— 23:06, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Aichon! I definitely won't be abusing anything, not my style. As for the Character box, that doesn't look like what I was looking for as I tried it on The Herd talk page. What I am looking for is the table of contents that lists the different topics on a page. I think Bob has it at the very top of this page. --BeatMyAces 14:15, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Oh, you mean like the one at the very top of this page? If so, then that will show up automatically once you have more than, I believe, three headers on your page, without you having to do anything else. You can force it to show up on the page prior to that by putting "__TOC__" wherever you want to force it to appear, or you can use {{TOCright}} if you'd like to force it to show up and make it aligned on the right side of the page instead of the left. —Aichon— 14:26, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Awesome! Thanks again Aichon! --BeatMyAces 15:24, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello

Hello I have a question how do you update a page on a certain building? I would like some help with this and some other formatting basics can you help Founder7Founder7 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Founder7 (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

Yes, I definitely can! To update the content of a page, simply go to that page, click the "edit" button and change what you'd like. If you want to update a building's DangerReport status, then in the box at the top of a building page, click "update" in the upper left corner, and follow the instructions on the page. For more detailed instructions, you may want to check out Guides:Danger Reports Guide. And one other note - to sign on a talk page, simply type ~~~~ or click the button at the top of the edit box, which will insert your signature. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask! Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 15:14, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Re: Welcome!

Hi Bob! Thank you for the welcome message. Actually, I do have a question:

During the signup process I first received the captcha question on which organization that had scientific laboratories in the city. Obviously this should be "NecroTech", right? But it wouldn't accept it as an answer, strangely. Do you know why? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nextor (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

Responded on your talk page. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 22:39, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

It's a small step for man...

...but a great step for properly archiving rejected policies Otherwise, you got it. -- Spiderzed█ 13:28, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Totally forgot the actual archive. Probably distracted by all the reorganization going on over at UDWiki:Sysop Archives. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 16:05, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Last question...

answer on my talk page please. will you leave dem' bits alone? (my little game with Aich and Box)....--User:Sexualharrison01:15, 21 March 2013

I am sorry

That was pretty derpy to welcome a bot xD I thought he was just a weird person. Don't know what was on my mind that time... But I apologize for doing such a thing, it was not made on purpose.

 

 

 

11:34, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Don't worry about it, it's an easy mistake to make. I know it took me a bit to catch on to who was a bot and who wasn't. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 11:46, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

IRC?

Do you? I was wanting to speak to you off wiki. If you do, I'm in #udwiki on nexuswar and will be for another half hour or so. --_K 01:35, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm on. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 02:27, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Check my Suggestion at the Developing Suggestions Page

I have added a new comment. Please go to the Developing Suggestions Page and check the discussion for my suggestion (Experience Gain for Defiling Graffiti). Lpha 13:58, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I saw your comment; like I said there, I was already in favor. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 20:22, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I slightly changed my suggestion. Do you think I am ready to post it on the current suggestions page? Lpha 17:07, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

I would say leave it on DS for another day or so, in case anyone wants to comment on the change. If not, feel free to post it - I'm in favor. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 17:44, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Re-added My Suggestion

I've taken into account your suggestion on my last suggestion to make the suggestion available for zombies too,as a result I've altered my suggestion to suit your suggestion and would like it if you could take another look at the suggestion and maybe vote on the suggestion,thanks...:)PayneTrain 17:17, 31 March 2013 (BST)

Thanks! I've read it over along with the comments, and I'm somewhat convinced by the argument that anonymity is good (and that the suggestion is thus bad for PKers). I've opted for now to remain neutral and not vote; I'll keep watching the comments and see if I'm convinced one way or another. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 18:42, 31 March 2013 (BST)

ok,thanks.--PayneTrain 05:01, 1 April 2013 (BST)

It's Dangerous To Go Alone!

Take This. -- Spiderzed█ 22:22, 2 April 2013 (BST)

Thanks! I read over them a couple times each at the start of the bid, but I'll read each again before delving into anything. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 22:47, 2 April 2013 (BST)

Remember in 6 months when you are wondering why you did this. I tried to stop you. Also, congrats and good luck. --_K 22:59, 2 April 2013 (BST)

XD I do appreciate that you have my well-being at heart. Thanks! Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 23:03, 2 April 2013 (BST)

Has anyone told him about the Initiation yet? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 00:54, 3 April 2013 (BST)

Oh wait, does that mean someone has to misconbitrate me or the promotion doesn't take? Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 01:00, 3 April 2013 (BST)

Oh, you just wait and see. You'll also find out what the 17^th button does. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 01:19, 3 April 2013 (BST)

Shh. You'll scare him. Also, we agreed not to talk about that. It's more fun when they find it for themselves. —Aichon— 02:10, 3 April 2013 (BST)

Whatever you do, never expose the spambots to bright light; never get them wet; and, most importantly: never, ever feed them after midnight. -- Spiderzed█ 18:32, 3 April 2013 (BST)

Notice for You

I added a voting section to the rage suggestion so i could vote "spam" on it. I did not, however, correct the format of the rest of the page. Lpha 23:17, 4 April 2013 (BST)

Thanks. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 01:45, 5 April 2013 (BST)

Congratulations!

I see your sysop bid was successful. I may be possible that it could have happened to a nicer guy, but if so, I don't know him. Best of luck and thanks.-- 23:41, 4 April 2013 (BST)

Thanks! Here's hoping I'm still happy about it eight months from now XD Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 01:45, 5 April 2013 (BST)

Should policies say what they mean?

Thoughts? Worth revisiting? You strike me as a policy-guy so I thought I would get a second opinion. Also, congrats!-MHSstaff 01:53, 5 April 2013 (BST)

The HGV system is used very infrequently, and as far as I can tell, successful nominations tend to be blowouts (or have been since 2010 or so). The only circumstance I can see a contention occurring is if a group gets 2/3 of the first 15 or so votes and then ends up failing - correct me if I'm misunderstanding. If the situation ever came up, I would consider the consensus on how to interpret the rule which was developed in the discussion you linked above to be somewhat equivalent to precedent, and declare that the rule is clear enough and that, because every other place on the wiki operates on the "closes at the time-limit end of voting/discussion" model (with the exception of featured articles), HGV should be interpreted as doing so as well.

But if it makes you more comfortable to make a policy proposal to change it, go right ahead. I'd almost certainly cast my vote in favor. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 04:55, 5 April 2013 (BST)

Go order to party down confirmed. -MHSstaff 05:48, 5 April 2013 (BST)

Well would you look at that! What cute wittle sysops you are aren't you? have fun dont die kill all wtfbbq--SA 00:44, 6 April 2013 (BST)

I'm a sysop. And I'm adorable! Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 02:35, 6 April 2013 (BST)

Just watched that the other day. She IS adorable!--SA 15:12, 6 April 2013 (BST)

Sorry

Sorry about that. I will not do that in the future. Also, congratulations on being chosen as a system operator. Lpha 03:36, 6 April 2013 (BST)

No worries. And thanks! Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 03:43, 6 April 2013 (BST)

Thanks for the warm welcome!

Hey, just wanted to thank you for the warm welcome. I just recently found Urban Dead and it seems far unique than anything else i have ever played. Nice to see that the players are so warm and welcoming, and not elitest like most other communities i have tried to get into. - Virulas —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Virulas (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

Certainly! Hey, if you'd like to sign a post on a talk page, type ~~~~ or click the button at the top of the edit window. And welcome again! Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 23:33, 6 April 2013 (BST)

Complaint about Troll Vote

Sorry to bother you, but Sexualharrison has voted " 2. kill because fuck you. User:Sexualharrison04:29, 6 April 2013 (sic)" on my suggestion. As you are a system operator, could you please remove that inane vote? Thank you! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lpha (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

Should he remove Rosslessness' vote as well? Also, even though "inane" votes have been removed before, that doesn't necessarily mean that the sysops who did so were in the right when they did so. It'd actually help if you could point to any rules that allow sysops to remove inane votes. —Aichon— 02:12, 8 April 2013 (BST)

I think, he can. According to the an example shown in the Voting Rules, system operators can remove irreverent votes. I think that both "Keep" vote 8 and "Kill" vote 2 should be removed. Lpha 03:11, 8 April 2013 (BST)

Personally, I don't think we should bother worrying about striking suggestion votes unless the vote is close, i.e. it would matter as to whether the suggestion gets peer reviewed, undecided or peer rejected. I'm also loathe to strike votes as "inane", because it is very subjective and open to interpretation. I would suggest you let the vote slide, as it is not relevant to the outcome of the vote, and further pursuit of it will likely lead only to more drama. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 03:49, 8 April 2013 (BST)

I am really disappointed with you people. You are being wussies, and I'm embarrassed about it. I was contemplating preparing some sort of speech about your very grievous issues with this very obvious, non-dfficult thing, but I figured this would go over your heads. I am now not going to be around for awhile. I would like you guys to think about how your behaviour to this mildly disgruntled user could be viewed alongside comments about this community. Mountains out of molehills. You guys kinda suck. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 04:57, 8 April 2013 (BST)

You're framing it as an example of what's wrong with the community, while we've told him to simply let it slide, and somehow we're the ones making mountains out of molehills? Normally I agree with everything you say, Gnome, but in this case, I simply don't follow it at all. Sure, striking the vote is simple and wouldn't affect the outcome, but it runs contrary to what sysops fundamentally are supposed to be. Sysops are not moderators. This rule is out of alignment with everything else on the wiki that defines what sysops are, and I've been glad the rule is a "may" rather than a "must" so that I haven't been forced to use it. I'd love to see it excised. —Aichon— 06:35, 8 April 2013 (BST)

Wait, I thought Gnome was being sarcastic? Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 06:40, 8 April 2013 (BST)

totally enjoy all this. just so you know.--User:Sexualharrison06:52, 8 April 2013

Your response indicates to me that this is still very much over your head. It has taken quite a while for me to understand how fucking idiotic you people are. If you can't tell by my emotionality, I will not be coming back. The reason why I will not be coming back is because you people are wasting my time. Feel free to be however concerned or indifferent about my departure. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 19:27, 9 April 2013 (BST)

For people who haven't worked it out, my inane vote was a direct response to harrisons. Feel free to move both votes, as they do indeed lack a justification. --Rosslessness 09:23, 8 April 2013 (BST)

But "Because, kittens" is never inane, and fully justifies any action... Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 16:44, 8 April 2013 (BST)

TBH I'm with ALHG. Sorta disappointing to see Aichon of all the ops asking for him to point to a rule that people know is there and have referenced themselves within the last 24 hours, doing this I assume just to make it hard for him to make a right point. Should be struck. Don't get me wrong, I'm loving the drama too as Harrison is, but fun or righteous, generally drama can actually be worth it if the right result is gained, ie a striking. A ZOMBIE ANT 15:13, 8 April 2013 (BST)

I wasn't trying to make it hard for Lpha. Rather, it is gonna be hard for him, since I'm opposed to using a rule that clearly flies in the face of everything else on the wiki (and especially so when it simply doesn't matter, even more so since you know very well that I prefer to let users work things out among themselves instead of involving sysops in every little squabble). That said, I'm open to being convinced otherwise, and asking him to provide more info is my way of trying to give him a way to convince me, but I'll need more than just the stuff on the Suggestions page rules, since I believe that that rule is in contradiction with everything else that describes the role of sysops. —Aichon— 16:05, 8 April 2013 (BST)

In fact, I'm even more shocked after looking at the fallout (more people abusing the rules just to make a mockery of the whole situation). While I do indeed find the situation funny at face value, I can't say I'm a fan of the principle that people are now laughing in the face of a new user who put one foot wrong by a seasoned user, or moreso, that people are laughing at the sysop's team's choice to defend SH and not help out a new user who has the rules on his side. We must be looking pretty fucking swell to the small amount of new users coming in. A ZOMBIE ANT 15:24, 8 April 2013 (BST)

If I gave you the impression of "laughing in the face of a new user" or of "defend[ing] SH and not help[ing] out a new user," then you are very mistaken in my intentions. My desire in the response above was to make clear the de facto operations of the wiki, and SH's status as a long-time user had no effect on it. Part of being a new user is not just learning the mechanical operations of the wiki, but its culture, which frequently includes conversations like this one. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 16:44, 8 April 2013 (BST)

I wasn't singling you out, by laughing in faces I was talking about people seeing this situation and responding with making invalid votes themselves to make a joke of this situation that's getting more and more ridiculous. It went from a pretty simple issue to a really embarrassing thing to watch as AHLG said. A ZOMBIE ANT 22:31, 8 April 2013 (BST)

One thing I just noticed: There is a contradiction in the rules. "Advice to Voters (5)" says "It is strongly recommended that voters (especially in the kill/spam sections) justify their vote to help others understand the reason they disagree." However, under "Invalid Votes" it says "Votes that do not have reasoning behind them are invalid. You MUST justify your vote." (The relevant rule in the Comments section we are discussing above reads, in part, "Note is used by System Operators to invalidate trolling-based votes. Only Sysops may remove troll-based votes and they do so with a strikeout <s></s> in order to preserve the trolling removal for posterity.")
Because the lines between trolling, inanity (which is not in the rules), lack of process understanding, lack of justification, and justification are very, very fuzzy, I am personally unlikely to remove a vote like Harrison's that is arguably "justified" by the conversation held on his talk page between him and Lpha. I also don't agree with the "You MUST justify your vote" rule, because that's not how we operate on any other part of the wiki, although I would go with it if there wasn't a contradictory statement just above it. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 16:44, 8 April 2013 (BST)

Nothing new, sadly. Those contradictions have always been there and we've never really been able to make any changes to the rules (suggestions usually divide the community to the point where no change gets made). Sadly, we didn't have the grace of decent writers back then who knew that every little thing would be abused at one point or another, but that doesn't mean we haven't since figured out the way to deal with each part of the rule to minimise abuse like this. There really isn't much fuzziness in this situation IMO, but I wouldn't expect you to take the front seat as a new op, it's the older ones I'm surprised by.

Anyhoo, I'm out, no point banging on the same logical points where people don't want to listen. Have a nice community, you dickheads, you've earned it. A ZOMBIE ANT 22:31, 8 April 2013 (BST)

really?--User:Sexualharrison23:14, 8 April 2013

I think Hagnat wrote up the last suggestion rewrite. Go have a look. --Rosslessness 22:38, 8 April 2013 (BST)

I'm late to the party here, but something DDR said I agree with greatly. Not to pick on Aichon, since all the sysops tend to do it, but the "you find the rule" thing comes off as a "get lost" (or more likely a "fuck off"). If the sysops can't find the rule; how could normal users? I'm not saying in situations where the rule legitimately can't be found or the sysop asking a user to explain what part of the rule justifies "x." But in this case, Aichon was aware of the rule and disagreed with it; so why ask the user to find it? Just say, I don't think it applied in this case (or ever), tell me why you think it does. I personally would prefer that sysop striking the vote only be used for personal attacks, obvious trolling (racial/sexual insults), but don't make the user feel like there is something they didn't do when that isn't the case. --_K 22:45, 8 April 2013 (BST)

I think that point about what I said here is a fair one, and if I could take back what I said and instead state what I was actually thinking at the time (which I've later expressed better), I would, since it was a dickish comment on my part. —Aichon— 23:27, 8 April 2013 (BST)

Really? No sysops are not "not moderators", sysops are whatever is needed to run this resource in the best possible way. That includes cleaning up shit content. Frankly, how the fuck dare you ban a user for doing something you don't like in game and then claim you aren't being arbiters of what is and isn't acceptable. you don't get to be moderators some of the time and not others. If you want to ban users without any rules for something you don't like but won't protect new users against abuse when there is a rule in place about you, no offence, but you're a fucking idiot. Big surprise that the people who get screwed in both situations are new users who aren't part of the clique.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 20:23, 9 April 2013 (BST)

Congratz Bob

I didn't vote/vouch but I would have had I been here. →Son of Sin← 14:38, 8 April 2013 (BST)

Thanks! Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 16:45, 8 April 2013 (BST)