User talk:Misanthropy

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I'll reply on your talk page if you contact me here.

Cheers.

For any users posting a sixth (or, indeed, seventh or beyond) topic on this page, full permission is granted to move the oldest topic in its entirety to the relevant archive.

Not that any of you will ever do it, but it's worth disclaimer-ing it to avoid unnecessary A/VB shitepipery.

Ello

The reason for the new account is I might forget my user name if I use Thaedracy since on the majority of sites now a days I use Radio as my username. --Radio 01:32, 17 October 2010 (BST)

Meatpuppetry

I have a screenshot showing you meatpuppeting in voters from the RR forums for the crat elections. Time to quit, methinks?--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 21:48, 17 October 2010 (BST)

Come the fuck on. Not a single vote came from my post to Red Rum - and I hope to Christ you're giving DDR the same tone or I'll be very disappointed in the kind of tunnel vision it'd require to only tell one of us off. 21:51, 17 October 2010 (BST)

I am, I'm trying to work out where the fuck DDR's are coming from though. Just struck a proxy one (suggests socks) but the others are arbitrary IPs. I think it might be someone BBKish, but I have no idea who.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 21:52, 17 October 2010 (BST)

Tell him to quit too then. RHO for cat. 21:53, 17 October 2010 (BST)

I don't think it's actually DDR. My initial thought was Jed, but he usually supports you, and the BBK forum's been dead for a year. Seriously, whoever is doing this (and probably reading this sentence) please stop so I can sort this out.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 21:54, 17 October 2010 (BST)

Or let it slide, given that there's like 10 minutes left and your man's winning. 21:56, 17 October 2010 (BST)

Instead of complaining, can you help?--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 21:59, 17 October 2010 (BST)

It's hardly sporting for me to try to detract from the voting for someone who's opposing me. After the fact we can maybe work something out (votes only with w/ >50 edits, etc), but I'm not going to pull the rug out from someone and then go change things. Also none of the people voting for him are ones who would frequent any forums I'd use so I'd not even know where to start if I wanted to. 22:02, 17 October 2010 (BST)

I meant try to work out who it is. I did a quickie scan sort of thing and SA is a possibility, I reckon.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 22:04, 17 October 2010 (BST)

I have absolutely NO idea who did it. SA would only do it to take the piss I think, cause he actually hates me and how uptight I was when he came back.... It couldn't be Jed or the BBK because (even if i wouldn't need the forum cause I could just collaborate with them via phone or something) literally none of them like UD anymore, they would just laugh if I mentioned it. Nick and Jed always vote against me anyway. It started once you pulled out Yon, so maybe someone who had to change their vote did the deed? No idea. -- LEMON #1 22:32, 17 October 2010 (BST)

Wasn't Giles the only vote for Yon at the time though? Could be wrong. 22:36, 17 October 2010 (BST)

It was Michaleson who voted for me. However, I'm strongly inclined to say that the same person was meat/sockpuppeting both sides to try to piss us off.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 22:37, 17 October 2010 (BST)

Wait until the election ends, and we'll sweep through then and mercilessly destroy any we deem unfair.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 22:14, 17 October 2010 (BST)

That'll become a shitfight and a half. If it remains a tie just go by the rules and let the crats decide -- LEMON #1 22:17, 17 October 2010 (BST)

I think that would probably be best considering the level of puppetry that's been going on for both candidates.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 22:22, 17 October 2010 (BST)

My Talk

You can use your sig. Aichon fixed my talk. --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 22:20, 17 October 2010 (BST)

Oh, right. I was actually just about to see if I could rig a switch to detect the name of a page and change the sig accordingly, then strip down to a smaller version so it wasn't so unwieldy with all that in it. You may have saved me a few hours and a lot of hair. 22:22, 17 October 2010 (BST)

Thank Aichon. It was a ridiculously simple addition to the box. btw, apologies for blaming you for the crat puppetry, as it now seems some irritating third party was doing it all. --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 22:24, 17 October 2010 (BST)

'Sok. Don't change the outcome of this one based on future policy, though, but if you're going to do something about future votes, do it quick so it doesn't overlap anything (since I don't think there's anything on the horizon yet). 22:26, 17 October 2010 (BST)

Frankly, I think we handled this vote well. We can probably make it by without any dramatic new policy.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 22:27, 17 October 2010 (BST)

If SOMEONE would update the wiki like we asked then we could do it very simply with an Autoconfirmed group. 22:29, 17 October 2010 (BST)

Ok, thanks for the tip :) -Alexander Ignus 12:31, 22 October 2010 (BST)

Discosaurs

Forum. Schenanigans will commence shortly.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 23:00, 17 October 2010 (BST)

I may unidle Tubbasaurus Sex, gimme a few days to see what alts I plan on keeping on using and which I'll probably retire. 23:07, 17 October 2010 (BST)

Coolio.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 23:07, 17 October 2010 (BST)

Dead Hand/Nav

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Your page, Dead Hand/Nav, was not linked to on the wiki. This message is just to provide a link for it and clear it from our orphanage. Inclusions on pages do not count, bu surely you should know that by now... -Dezonus- ^(talk) 23:27, 17 October 2010 (BST)

Speaking of which, I just hit up Barbara and got the cades down and groaned a bit. hopefully it'll help with stuff -- LEMON #1 08:52, 19 October 2010 (BST)

Up to VSB. I got CRed last night, managed to stand up, parachute inside and gank the generator (not bad for a lvl 1!), but it's quite painful to parachute without ankle grab. :( 15:44, 19 October 2010 (BST)

Lol, getting in daily to make groans. Seriously, getting cades from EHB to nothing by myself on a daily basis, I forgot how easy it is to be a zombie, why are you zombie cunts complaining so much? gosh -- LEMON #1 10:16, 22 October 2010 (BST)

If you're on, doors are open and gennie is one hit away from heaven -- LEMON #1 10:18, 22 October 2010 (BST)

http://iamscott.net/128750972369.html

I'm gesturing at a radio! --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 18:38, 19 October 2010 (BST)

I fucking knew it. Same structure as the message for generators? 19:19, 19 October 2010 (BST)

"You gesture at the radio."--Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 20:09, 19 October 2010 (BST)

Figured. I should probably get back to writing these. 20:10, 19 October 2010 (BST)

IRC

I'm in the redrum channel --~ 22:56, 19 October 2010 (BST)

A/PD: Suburb Historical Groups

1. What do you think are the biggest problems with the current system?
2. What criteria do you feel should be used to decide historical status? Time spent in a suburb? Group numbers? Activity generally located within a suburb? Involvement in significant suburb events? What are typical examples of notable groups that have made an impact on the suburb level? Providing these as examples would give the community something to base their vote on.
3. Several groups are historical/notable on more than one suburb. Is that bad? Should groups be limited to one suburb? Should this be more of a "origin" thing or a suburb that a given group has had the most impact on? Is the central problem groups adding themselves to suburbs in which they had minimal impact (or impact only during a brief duration?) Should groups have to pick just one suburb?
4. How will this policy handle nomadic zombie hordes / PKers / survivor groups? Are they SOL or do they pick a suburb or what?
5. What do you do with a group like MFD / MPD?

I think these are some things that should be considered if you are really looking to reform the system. They are also things that may or may not have easy answers (at least I don't have easy answers for, or I would have tried to answer some of my questions). Right now, the policy basically just defines a voting cut-off for passing, and there is little guidance as to what exactly the community should look for when deciding suburb notoriety. Giving a sense of what some of the answers should be for some of these questions would go a long way to tightening up the policy (IMO). -MHSstaff 23:29, 21 October 2010 (BST)

1. The fact it is has zero process and is currently a liability that could easily lead to rows and ill-will. Creating simple and relatively hassle-free (compared to Cat:HG, etc) due process gives a structure to the way things happen that removes this entirely.
2. For a suburb, as opposed to a city as a whole, it should be more lax. A group who is able to shape the play experience in that suburb to any real degree - for example, SFHNAS has definately impacted the safetfy of Kempsterbank, as have CORAM for Lukinswood.
3. Groups which can lay claim to widespread activity across several suburbs should not be prohibited from using all of these suburbs - for example, the RRF would be able to lay claim to the status in Greater Ridleybank as a whole.
4. Truly nomadic groups would simply have to rely on Cat:HG as they do now. This would include groups like MAHB or Red Rum. Groups which are generally nomadic but hold on to a "home base" such as the Philosophe Knights in Lamport Hills, would revert to their "home" suburb.
5. Knock them on their asses.

   23:40, 21 October 2010 (BST)

Bitchin'. This makes more sense now. These ideas should be incorporated into the policy somehow, because right now, it is too bare-boned, too vague, and too, you know...UD wiki like. Can you go here, and fill in to tighten things up? Or not; it's up to you since it is your policy. But I think more people would go for it (including me) if it has a tighter framework around it, and gives a sense of what people should look for. -MHSstaff 00:14, 22 October 2010 (BST)

I don't really see what's needed to add, to be honest. If passed, it then comes down to the common sense of the userbase to maintain it readily, rejecting votes which are clearly stupid and removing groups which either haven't passed or have no claim to the suburb. It's usually a bad idea to put down too much red tape, the idea was to provide just enough to give a sense of order and purpose without being too unwieldy. 00:19, 22 October 2010 (BST)

Sure. It's your policy after all. I just think that if you were hoping to provide guidelines for helping the community decide what groups should go in the magic suburb history thing, than having something that points the community in the direction you described above might be a good thing. Right now, I'd argue that, as written, the policy provides very little sense of purpose or order. To each their own though. -MHSstaff 00:32, 22 October 2010 (BST)

As written it's just meant to provide the beaurocratic framework to let the process happen. I didn't want to clutter it with pointers and examples that don't actually impact the rulings of the thing, though perhaps this conversation could be copied onto the talk page to help explain it. 00:42, 22 October 2010 (BST)

Red Army stuff

In case you missed it, I set up a hidden and password protected forum for the Red Army for communication on Organization XIII's forums (Link to sub-board here). Again, the board won't show up until either me or Yon adjusts your settings to view the board, so PM me or Yon (Yon is rayepenber on the forum) for settings adjustment and the password for the Red Army's sub-board. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 18:41, 23 October 2010 (BST)

Annoyed

I'm rather annoyed that I was not informed that you had removed the DI:MD add, see here: http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Category:Recruitment&diff=1800180&oldid=1799795 -Dezonus- ^(talk) 02:46, 24 October 2010 (BST)

Virtually no one gets informed about their recruitment ad being removed. It happens even to groups as large as RRF.

Lazy solution: Just pick a convenient date in the month to always update your time stamp each and every month, and you should never run into that problem again.

Gnome solution: Start to keep an eye on cat:rec and remember to update your own groups while you are at it. It's how I do it and how even a small group as Cobra could never be taken down in months. -- Spiderzed▋ 02:52, 24 October 2010 (BST)

Perhaps a policy should be made then... -Dezonus- ^(talk) 03:05, 24 October 2010 (BST)

Making other people work so that you don't have to is rarely the right answer. Making policies that enforce that other people work so that you don't have to is the right answer even less of the time. You could just ask that it be added as a guideline to the page, but Mis and I would hate you forever and ever since we're the ones that primarily maintain the page (mostly Mis, in recent months, since he's been beating me to it most of the time it needs work). —Aichon— 05:08, 24 October 2010 (BST)

It's in the rules... You read the rules before you posted right? Of course you would have!! So you would know the consequences of leaving an ad there for too long. -- LEMON #1 05:11, 24 October 2010 (BST)

As has been said, it's in the page rules. If you don't update it within two months, it comes down. Same goes for anyone, that's why big groups like RRF often see their ads coming down too. Policy to make the page more lenient is a bad idea. 12:38, 24 October 2010 (BST)

I'm not talking about more leniency, I'm just talking about being courteous enough to tell someone when you remover their add -Dezonus- ^(talk) 12:51, 24 October 2010 (BST)

As someone who does occassionally some maintenance on cat:rec: No. It's already menial and mind-numbing enough as it is. Adding an extra hoop wouldn't help that much, and would neither do much to help groups to remember updates more often. Enter RRF again: They get regularly taken down, but also reemerge regularly, so they know already about the 2 month policy, but don't care enough about it. All what such a policy should do for them is regular talk page spam.

There are a few special instances where notifications are in order (mostly illegal ads like those with too large pics or with auto-updating time-stamps), but the automatic 2 month purge isn't such an instance. -- Spiderzed▋ 13:05, 24 October 2010 (BST)

I would agree with you if Cat:Rec was the staple of group advertising and thriving but it isn't; I'm still more than sure recruitment doesn't actually work as well as it should as an advertising source for your group, so you really aren't losing out on much by having your group removed from it TBH. -- LEMON #1 13:28, 24 October 2010 (BST)

Siege on Sears flyer

Hey i need someone more artistically talented than myself to design a flyer for the Siege on Sears. Can you halp or refer me to someone that may be a good candidate? I'm thinking Zamgrh on one side and English on the other. Something briefly explaining the situation and providing a link to the petition. Zombie art a plus. ~ 14:57, 25 October 2010 (BST)

I'll try mocking something up. I can maybe see if Gor can do something for it, since he's a wizard with the shoops. I'll also drop the link anywhere I can to drum up signitories (totally spelt that wrong). 15:03, 25 October 2010 (BST)

I believe the building names are stretching the cells on the 3x3 building grid. You have my blessing to change it if that piece of information helps. ~ 22:32, 25 October 2010 (BST)

I'll abbreviate things down then. Also how's this grab you? 02:19, 26 October 2010 (BST)

I've been so caught up in IRL stuff lately that I completely neglected to come back to your talk page and look at this. Sorry. Looks good, though. ~ 03:46, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Siege on Sears

God I love your user page. Anyway, grogh noticed that your MOB zombie is actually over at Sears and while we both kinda went BAH! when we saw you'd wandered away from the horde whilest wearing the tags, we were wondering if you would like to officially represent the horde? --Amber Waves of Pain 05:42, 27 October 2010 (BST)

More Grammar Policing

What you said:

A zombie said "Mah brazzarz! Mah z!zzarz! Zamgrh.!z arz - nah zah harmanz!"
A zombie said "Maz zambahz hab Zamgrh! Mah zambahz ganna ARAZ hab Zamgrh."
A zombie said "Rabahb Zamgrh. AMBRAZ ZAMGRH."

What you should have said:

A zombie said "Mah brazzarz! Mah z!zzarz! Zamgrh am arz - nah zah harmanz!"
A zombie said "Mah zambahz hab Zamgrh! Mah zambahz am ganna ABARGAMZ hab Zamgrh."
A zombie said "Raabab Zamgrh. AMBRAZ ZAMGRH."

Remember, to be is always am. Also, whenever you can't think of a word, don't make it up, check the dictionary. Search KZED if you're lazy. --VVV ^RPGMBCWS 06:06, 27 October 2010 (BST)

Technically, Zamgrh is more like pigeon English than a strict language and it's evolved with what I suppose are accents through different horde cultures. Raabab/Rabahb is like the difference between Potato/Potatoe - Organize/Organise - Color/Colour.

Besides that, Mis is Irish and speaks like a funny little undead leprechaun. Quit bein a grammar Naz!. :P --Amber Waves of Pain 07:04, 27 October 2010 (BST)

See, I see zamgrh as a language defined more by its morphemes and context than by its grammar and syntax - it's about conveying a point as effectively as possible, not about consulting a cipher. 16:12, 27 October 2010 (BST)

You consult the cipher until you've memorized enough to convey your point. That way everyone is speaking the same language. --VVV ^RPGMBCWS 23:30, 27 October 2010 (BST)

It's prescriptivists like you that hold back the development of a language. :P —Aichon— 17:54, 27 October 2010 (BST)

I'm just trying to keep it a little standardized, so that people can learn it with some ease. --VVV ^RPGMBCWS 23:30, 27 October 2010 (BST)

Favor to Ask

Now that your dead... bite my ass! -_∞ Poodle of Doom _∞ 03:29, 29 October 2010 (BST)

Check the talk page of that image, Poodle. You actually helped him. ;) --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 03:30, 29 October 2010 (BST)

If you're after an infection, I'm all pooped out for now, but sit tight and you can have one in the morning. 03:31, 29 October 2010 (BST)

*you're -- LEMON #1 05:27, 29 October 2010 (BST)

That's what I said. You are. You're. 16:05, 29 October 2010 (BST)

He was talking to poodle who got it wrong.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature3 16:09, 29 October 2010 (BST)

Oh that's so common it's not even worth pointing out. 16:10, 29 October 2010 (BST)

Let's not even go in to how he spelt "Favour". ;) --User:Yonnua Koponen/signature3 16:11, 29 October 2010 (BST)

He totally forgot the L. F-L-A-V-O-U-R! -- Spiderzed▋ 16:14, 29 October 2010 (BST)

I have been known to taste delightful. 16:15, 29 October 2010 (BST)

barbara

who knocked that shit open? omg! -- LEMON #1 01:57, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

That shit's open? 16:39, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I like

I likey alot-- Skoll ^Die 01:08, 2 November 2010 (UTC)