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::::::To be fair, it was a sneaky question and you did give to correct answer, even if you didn't support it with the correct information. The edit in no way changed the context of Spiderzed's original comment so it could hardly be considered impersonation. Its not a good idea to go around changing people's comments, though (even minor mispellings) because it is very easy to fall into an impersonation ruling. Also, no user is ever warned without an edit being put through a/v for review by sysops so your answer was also correct. No, Gordon should not have been warned. Ifnhe'd been taken to a/v over it, he'd most likely have received a not vandalism ruling or the equivalent "soft warning" (which comes with no official warning). Rev's comment wasn't an official warning, it was just a comment made to look like the warning template. Even if you had spent weeks studying wiki policy (which I don't believe you did), the likelyhood that you would have come to these conclusions on your own is very slim. If you're wondering, yes sysops are sometimes put under tests like this. People love trying to trap them into doing something that will lad them in Misconduct cases. Its rare these days but it happens. So while I thought it was a bit of an unfair line of questioning, it at least exposed you to the dark underbelly of the wiki in a slightly lighthearted way. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>22:13, 1 December 2012 (UTC)</sub>
::::::To be fair, it was a sneaky question and you did give to correct answer, even if you didn't support it with the correct information. The edit in no way changed the context of Spiderzed's original comment so it could hardly be considered impersonation. Its not a good idea to go around changing people's comments, though (even minor mispellings) because it is very easy to fall into an impersonation ruling. Also, no user is ever warned without an edit being put through a/v for review by sysops so your answer was also correct. No, Gordon should not have been warned. Ifnhe'd been taken to a/v over it, he'd most likely have received a not vandalism ruling or the equivalent "soft warning" (which comes with no official warning). Rev's comment wasn't an official warning, it was just a comment made to look like the warning template. Even if you had spent weeks studying wiki policy (which I don't believe you did), the likelyhood that you would have come to these conclusions on your own is very slim. If you're wondering, yes sysops are sometimes put under tests like this. People love trying to trap them into doing something that will lad them in Misconduct cases. Its rare these days but it happens. So while I thought it was a bit of an unfair line of questioning, it at least exposed you to the dark underbelly of the wiki in a slightly lighthearted way. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>22:13, 1 December 2012 (UTC)</sub>
:::::::I understand the why and who and what, but honestly: in a time when both the wiki and the game are stagnating, what happened there was a complete fuckup. I probably wasn't ready to be a sysop, but the problem in my eyes was that the people who were being the most judgemental were also the ones who were the least helpful. I may be unqualified to be a part of the wiki mod team, but I'm pretty good in marketing, consumer behaviour and online communication (probably because those are the things I've been thaught the past 3 years), and I '''know''' both UD and the wiki can be saved from complete desertion. I started one project, and just by enabling people to actually see the results of their work on a greater scale, the Danger Center caused a surge in status report updates. Work on those projects, in stead of archives, dated policies and precedents. Work on a modern skin for UD. Work on making this appealing to the 2013 generation of gamers. And it doesn't have to be big, just go small and you'll see the butterfly effect kick in ;) {{User:Peralta/Signature}} 22:48, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
:::::::I understand the why and who and what, but honestly: in a time when both the wiki and the game are stagnating, what happened there was a complete fuckup. I probably wasn't ready to be a sysop, but the problem in my eyes was that the people who were being the most judgemental were also the ones who were the least helpful. I may be unqualified to be a part of the wiki mod team, but I'm pretty good in marketing, consumer behaviour and online communication (probably because those are the things I've been thaught the past 3 years), and I '''know''' both UD and the wiki can be saved from complete desertion. I started one project, and just by enabling people to actually see the results of their work on a greater scale, the Danger Center caused a surge in status report updates. Work on those projects, in stead of archives, dated policies and precedents. Work on a modern skin for UD. Work on making this appealing to the 2013 generation of gamers. And it doesn't have to be big, just go small and you'll see the butterfly effect kick in ;) {{User:Peralta/Signature}} 22:48, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
::::::::I think they were interested in seeing how you would use the edit history tool in a sysop-related issue. That said, when it became a question on whether or not you had seen it (sysops actively trawling pages for gray-area impersonation cases, yeah right) rather than how you would respond as a sysop if it were reported to AVB, they should have just asked it directly. Playing a game of "I know something you don't" comes across as somewhat condescending, with the added bonus of not having the question you are actually interested in answered. IMO. -[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 23:20, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
::::::::I think they were interested in seeing how you would use the edit history tool in a sysop-related issue. That said, when it became a question on whether or not you had seen it (sysops actively trawling pages for gray-area impersonation cases, yeah right) rather than how you would respond as a sysop if it were reported to AVB (where it is clear that you are looking at a possible impersonation case), they should have just asked it directly. Playing a game of "I know something you don't" comes across as somewhat condescending, with the possible risk that the question you are actually interested is lost in the confusion. IMO. -[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 23:20, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

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Static Status Maps

Ok so here's the skinny on saving a map statically. Right click on a page with a map and select View Page Source from there just copy the table's code and suddenly you have a static map with little clean up.

Ridleybank & Region
Looks like it is messed up because a closing font tag is missing. I went ahead and added it above and to the template so Charles's method should work now. -MHSstaff 19:10, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, to both of you :) PB&J 19:32, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Best to wait

Grab your screenies, ride it out, and wait until the end to write it up. God that speech is embarrassing. Everyone knows the home of the RRF is Moggridge surely? --Ross Less Ness Enter Stranger... 23:22, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

As I said on the page in question, can you provide me with a list of Groups who have a no random revive policy? I'd actually like to discuss the issue with them. --Ross Less Ness Enter Stranger... 15:22, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Hey. One question. Towards the end several survivors seemed to be using blackmore itself as an indoor RP. Was this an established part of the plan or just some individuals? --Ross Less Ness Enter Stranger... 16:11, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Coincidence mostly. PB&J 16:27, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. Wasn't sure if it was official change of position once barricading become impossible. It was an intersting, if strange tactic. --Ross Less Ness Enter Stranger... 17:00, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Basicly, it makes sense and saves at least 2 AP of transport per person (more if cades are up): revive - if it's an ally leave him - if not, dump. PB&J 17:23, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
As long as your contacts list is sorted. Otherwise you could be shooting/reviving the wrong people. --Ross Less Ness Enter Stranger... 17:25, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
True, but that matters a lot less when shit goes down like this. It's a combo of CR and local reviving which can yield results, but only with (as always) coordination. PB&J 17:26, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps, but if 30 of the zombies were friendlies and 6 were hostile, there would be better places to revive than in the building your defending. ;0 --Ross Less Ness Enter Stranger... 17:33, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
True, but then again, logic was not our forte the past week... PB&J 17:35, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Nice. The trick is to learn from our mistakes.--Ross Less Ness Enter Stranger... 17:43, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Trust me when I say I learned. Working on my personal solution. PB&J 17:44, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, if you want to NPOV this, I'd let it sit for six months, delete the pages, and start from scratch. -MHSstaff 23:21, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Speaking of Zombie Alts

The spirit of BARHAH needs you! -MHSstaff 23:21, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

  • I'm afraid Baraga is offline and due to IRL reasons, will remain dormant for a while ;) PB&J 23:41, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

PKing...

I congratulate you on your decision survivors suck. I'm not sure about the choice of PK, but to each there own. Happy killing. --Open the Box Org XIII Alts 02:35, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

suck it kirsty--User:Sexualharrison14:47, 12 November 2012
Once a poet, always a poet, isn't that right harrison? WinkPB&J 14:53, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
One of the nice things about the Knights is that if you aren't familiar with them, you tend not to know who is behind each of the two-letter names. Or when you might be poking at someone who has a say in your application thread. Just sayin'. >_> Aichon 14:58, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
But luckily in this case a quick trip to the history tab will reveal all. --Open the Box Org XIII Alts 15:06, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Let me know how you get on. I've never explored the more murderous side of the game. --Ross Less Ness Enter Stranger... 15:09, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Aichon, I know all too well who I'm talking to. Part of the reason I dared to make the joke Wink
Ross, I'll keep you posted. So far, PKing is the most intellectual activity I have ever done in an online game and it feels great! PB&J 15:13, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Ross, you've never PKed? I...Just...What? --DTPraise KnowledgePK 15:33, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Maybe 10 people in 5 years. Let's see. Iron guard from the nazi zombies, A couple of members of Game Over in Borehamwood. A couple of randoms when I was levelling a zombie character. Maybe one when I decided on a whim to join the Browncoats? Not a lot. I've done the Manhunts and Red October a few times, but I've never really felt it. I think the issue is that over time I've abandoned survivor tactics, playing either as zombies or ghost town, combat reviving survivors. I think the issue might be that I hate to reload. --Ross Less Ness Enter Stranger... 15:48, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
KIll one person a day using a two pistol, all clips setup. Lets you go for ages without a restock. --DTPraise KnowledgePK 17:19, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
God I hate restocks. --Ross Less Ness Enter Stranger... 17:25, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
As do I, but the payoff is great. There's nothing quite like seeing the message saying you killed someone for the fourth (or even fifth) time in the span of a few minutes, or being able to make a speech in a mall and then clear that mall with a few of your friends. That sort of thing gets people's attention in a way that zombie strikes simply can't. Aichon 18:30, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
this is a zombie game? no way!--User:Sexualharrison18:57, 12 November 2012
Hmm. I'm trying to write an analysis of the survivor meta's attitude to combat reviving, its misconceptions and alternative strategies. Once I convince them they're wrong I'll have a look at shooting them. --Ross Less Ness Enter Stranger... 21:23, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Guys, question. Whats the typical PK'er turnout for a major event Like Sanhaim in 2012? Is it organised groups or just posts on places like the PKA?--Ross Less Ness Enter Stranger... 21:22, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm guessing most of us would rather not advertise our numbers so openly (the Philosophe Knights routinely change group tags, so although we blipped onto the stats page during the strike, we disappeared again shortly thereafter as we changed our tags). That said, we had enough this year to easily clear a populated mall and then move on to secondary targets, so that should give you a ballpark idea. There were several organized and recognized groups committed to it this year, each of which attended with several of its members, as well as a handful of individuals in attendance, I believe. IV PK 21:45, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, it's kind of why I had to ask the question. I always assumed that combined you'd have a comparable number of people to the larger survivor groups. Would that be something it's ok to write, somewhere?--Ross Less Ness Enter Stranger... 21:49, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
That is probably close enough for a generalization. I've never understood the changing/dropping tags thing. --Open the Box Org XIII Alts 22:40, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
I experienced this first hand when we were fighting The Dead in Dunell Hills: while the alternating tags won't confuse experienced players who keep track of PKers and have been around long enough to recognize them, it will create a ton of confusion and slow down FAKing, reviving and clog communication channels. Basicly bounty hunting and primary goals (like conquering and rebuilding etc.) won't be slowed down, but your entire support structure is just bogged down to an abominable pace Wink PB&J 22:51, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, although its not "my" support network. I get jittery in any group on the stats page. --Ross Less Ness Enter Stranger... 22:58, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
It was just an example Wink PB&J 23:02, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
We do it for a variety of reasons, not least of which is that it's simply easier to procure random aid when you don't have to deal with the stigma that your group name carries. There's a reason why this fake character page continues to be the link provided in my in-game profile. Other reasons we change tags include the previously-mentioned sowing of confusion, simply differentiating ourselves within the group (we have several subgroups within the Knights, so we use those tags at times), or else for plain anonymity in the case of several of our secret members. IV PK 23:13, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
I understand the anonymity argument, makes perfect sense. --Ross Less Ness Enter Stranger... 23:14, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
I thought PK was about intelligence and shit. But now you're saying you're just trying to confuse survivors, who are stupid? --Open the Box Org XIII Alts 23:20, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
They never said it was hard Sadly my attention has now been diverted to historical group voting. --Ross Less Ness Enter Stranger... 23:22, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
We're about ridding people of ignorance through education. That oftentimes involves turning people's own ignorance back on them in a direct demonstration of how powerful and dangerous it can be to them. It's a surprisingly effective method. IV PK 23:28, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
Well hell, I just noticed who you are. I'm pretty sure that qualifies me as ignorant and we both know what that means. Kirsty doesn't wear a vest, just in case you wanted to know. I'm still trying to figure out how I missed the Sith of November list, too. --Open the Box Org XIII Alts 23:39, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
Names of members in participating groups were culled from the list, from what I understood, and since O13 is involved, your name was likely removed. And yeah, I switch sigs, depending on the situation. Particularly when it comes to representing the Knights, I switch sigs if I feel that my post has me acting as a representative of the group or if I feel compelled to speak more in-character for some reason, both of which were at play here. Aichon 04:29, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
I prefer to sign with the same signature everywhere, although I change it around quite a bit once in a while. My previous sig had a link to both characters I ran, but since Baraga is not active at the moment, I chose for a sober Userpage, Talk Page and PK sig. PB&J 11:13, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Quick aside: the indentation you corrected was actually very intentional, since I was replying directly to Kirsty. Many of us do that on a routine basis if we want to create a branch on a thread or be sure it's clear who we're responding to, though not everyone understands the idea. :P Aichon 15:27, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Ah, I see :) Try and leave a < br > next time? ;) PB&J 16:18, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Considered this?

IV PK 23:28, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I have, not sure why I didn't use it (but I've made a habit of changing my Userpage everytime I get bored, maybe next time) Wink PB&J 11:13, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

ZALP thanks

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Dear Peralta:

We at Z.A.L.P. have noticed your interest in preserving the fragile Harman species as evidenced by the images you contributed to the main scent map. We would like to thank you for your support and offer you the opportunity to make a bigger difference in Malton through further contributions or by becoming a ZALP Partner in Conservation. ZALP’s Partners in Conservation are among the most loyal and dedicated supporters of ZALP’s work to protect the future of our food supply. Partners in Conservation contribute critical donations of time, scent maps, and brain or brain substitute products necessary to support and expand ZALP’s conservation efforts throughout Malton. Our community of philanthropic leaders understand that achieving success depends on long term partnerships – relationships that set examples for others to invest in our city’s future.

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As a Partner in Conservation, you can join our community of leaders who believe in global conservation. You can be assured that your contributions will be consumed responsibly as we operate in a mission-sensitive manner. Won’t you consider joining our community today? And if not, please keep those contributions coming in whatever form you can. It is concerned Zambahz like you who prove that there may be hope for this city after all.
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Bounty Hunter Groups

Hello Peralta and thanks for the welcome! I see you're involved in a major PK association, for an aspiring bounty hunter, what group and forum would you say are the most capable (and joinable even for a low level player)?

Thanks for being a sportsman and recommending an enemy ;) --Johnny do gooer 22:48, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, this still is an entirely new career to me, and you may want to know that Philosophe Knights isn't actually based on the premise of killing other survivors. We use PKing as a tool to educate others: a dead survivor with a clear written message is an extremely effective warning for those who feel the inclination to light up buildings that aren't TRP's, or sleep inside a lit Mall, etc. Furthermore, we will never kill at random, we avoid killing in Centers of Learning (unless provoked), and Knights recieve points for handing out FAKs, repairing Centers of Learning, reviving on a designated RP, etc. All to encourage the survivors to play smarter. From our perspective, we're a pro-survivor group Wink
Anyway, welcome to the wiki, good luck and try and if you have any questions, feel free to drop in anytime! PB&J 22:55, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
I don't think there are any decent dedicated BHer groups left, unless you want to zerg hunt and that probably isn't a good idea at low level. You might consider one of the larger survivor groups, many of them have BHers within their ranks. Most of them are probably going to put some additional restrictions on who/where/when you can kill PKers, but if you want the group experience, that is probably going to be your best bet. --Open the Box Org XIII Alts 23:12, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Way more fun on the other side anyhow. PB&J 23:13, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Being a PKer means you'll find unsuspecting targets wherever you wish, while searching for targets might be boring and time craving, I find it more satisfying and interesting to claim the scalp of one who is used to killing instead of being killed. But yes, I know of the temptations and satisfactions from being a PKer. --Johnny do gooer 23:34, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
As I said: we're no random killers, we have a certain je ne sais quoi. It may be painful je ne sais quoi, and it may kill you, but I guarantee you we're not blind trenchcoaters. PB&J 23:36, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

User:DangerReport/R91 (New Arkham)

...appears to be missing Ashfield Alley Railway Station and Pritchard Grove Railway Station in the SW corner. They must have been pinched off with border cornering. It's very enclosed in that area of Malton. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 17:07, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Fixed those up. Looks like it was just a simple oversight, probably. Aichon 17:27, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
Okay. Thanks. It was clearly a conspiracy against the corner 'burbs, though. The border schemes. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 17:42, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
Our plot was foiled once again! If it wasn't for those pesky gnomes! ^^
But seriously: it's cool to see people noticing that kind of stuff, means it's really being used. Thanks! PB&J 18:25, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
In light of recent conspiracy claims I must admit this was my first map and apparently didn't have it down to a system yet. I'd also like to counter any further anti-corner 'burb speak by saying the first three suburbs completed while creating the map were as follows: Dulston, Dakerstown, and New Arkham. I went ahead and updated Q91 and S91 as well. All maps should be correct now. Thanks for the feedback! -Charles Whipplebotum 03:13, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

goddamn it

just actually look right at the edit before they call you out for not picking up on it. Or if you've seen it at least mention it to them. A ZOMBIE ANT 23:19, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure if he didn't see it or simply doesn't know about why it might be an issue. Either way, what I was ready to dismiss as a joke question has suddenly become very interesting. Aichon 00:26, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Oops? ~Vsig.png 00:32, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
^^Yup aichon. A ZOMBIE ANT 06:40, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
I did look at the edit before I even answered the question... If anything's wrong, next time just point it out. PB&J 19:11, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
If you look at the edit history, you'll see that Gordon actually made two edits: 1) His comment on your bid and 2)He edited another user's comment (corrected a misspelling). It's easy to miss. So what Gordon is really asking you is 1)Is it ok to edit others' contributions/comments like that? 2)Are there different shades of impersonation? 3)As a sysop, how would you have handled the situation? -MHSstaff 20:19, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
1) No, it's not ok on pages like these (where opinions are given) or talk pages. 2) If it's an indentation, a lay-out thing, a small esthetical change, I don't care. If it's changing what's actually being said, kill with fire. 3)Undo the damage and warn the user. In this case; yes, a warning was in order and yes, I overlooked him editing another user's opinion. Not that it's actually relevant anymore. As I said when I aborted the bid: next time, just freaking say what's going on if someone makes a mistake. Seeing as my bid was well-intended, I already got tired of keeping an eye on the bid itself and this part of "are you suuuure nothing's wrong?" just got annoying by the end. PB&J 21:58, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
To be fair, it was a sneaky question and you did give to correct answer, even if you didn't support it with the correct information. The edit in no way changed the context of Spiderzed's original comment so it could hardly be considered impersonation. Its not a good idea to go around changing people's comments, though (even minor mispellings) because it is very easy to fall into an impersonation ruling. Also, no user is ever warned without an edit being put through a/v for review by sysops so your answer was also correct. No, Gordon should not have been warned. Ifnhe'd been taken to a/v over it, he'd most likely have received a not vandalism ruling or the equivalent "soft warning" (which comes with no official warning). Rev's comment wasn't an official warning, it was just a comment made to look like the warning template. Even if you had spent weeks studying wiki policy (which I don't believe you did), the likelyhood that you would have come to these conclusions on your own is very slim. If you're wondering, yes sysops are sometimes put under tests like this. People love trying to trap them into doing something that will lad them in Misconduct cases. Its rare these days but it happens. So while I thought it was a bit of an unfair line of questioning, it at least exposed you to the dark underbelly of the wiki in a slightly lighthearted way. ~Vsig.png 22:13, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
I understand the why and who and what, but honestly: in a time when both the wiki and the game are stagnating, what happened there was a complete fuckup. I probably wasn't ready to be a sysop, but the problem in my eyes was that the people who were being the most judgemental were also the ones who were the least helpful. I may be unqualified to be a part of the wiki mod team, but I'm pretty good in marketing, consumer behaviour and online communication (probably because those are the things I've been thaught the past 3 years), and I know both UD and the wiki can be saved from complete desertion. I started one project, and just by enabling people to actually see the results of their work on a greater scale, the Danger Center caused a surge in status report updates. Work on those projects, in stead of archives, dated policies and precedents. Work on a modern skin for UD. Work on making this appealing to the 2013 generation of gamers. And it doesn't have to be big, just go small and you'll see the butterfly effect kick in ;) PB&J 22:48, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
I think they were interested in seeing how you would use the edit history tool in a sysop-related issue. That said, when it became a question on whether or not you had seen it (sysops actively trawling pages for gray-area impersonation cases, yeah right) rather than how you would respond as a sysop if it were reported to AVB (where it is clear that you are looking at a possible impersonation case), they should have just asked it directly. Playing a game of "I know something you don't" comes across as somewhat condescending, with the possible risk that the question you are actually interested is lost in the confusion. IMO. -MHSstaff 23:20, 1 December 2012 (UTC)