User talk:Xoid

Notice: Could people please stop ignoring my request that the newest subheadings get placed at the top? Thank you.

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Important Stuff

Mainly for announcements and messages from moderators or arbitrators. Serious stuff goes under this heading.

Old "Important Stuff" messages may be found here.

Check your email

Please, it's something important about my Slave Hack account.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 17:29, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

*Pokes hard in ribs*

Why aren't you replying to me on trillian? (Yes, I do consider this important :P)--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 23:57, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Again.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 12:21, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Quick question about my warning

Point taken on the warning.

I thought I was okay because it was made very clear at the top of the talk page that contributions to it may be removed if the group members decide it is offensive or derogatory. I didn't realise that this was considered bad form.

It's worth noting that the discussion in question was not a single polite query, it was the most recent part of a long and exceedingly boring chain that was leading nowhere. It was clearly stated that we, as a group, were no longer interested in communicating with them. Everything had been said more than once and it was fast becoming pointless (mainly because they just wouldn't leave well enough alone and kept cluttering up the talk page trying to have the last word). I made it clear in my previous entry on that page that further posts would be removed.

Can I confirm the level of control group members have over their own Group Talk pages? (so I can edit the note at the top of the page to be more representative).

Cheers, –Ray Vern phz ^•T 16:22, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks for the follow up. –Ray Vern phz ^•T 22:14, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

1 question

since i disbanded the corleone's i had a crazy idea, as you know the gingerbreadmen have been out of service for a while, are you the guy to talk to if I wanted to start them back up? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by bob8914 (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

No. Talk to Von Luthius, likely hanging out on the CMS-Meta forums. –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 15:05, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Trillian

Can you come on? Cyberbob  Talk  04:05, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

No, I'm at TAFE. –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 04:06, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

OK. I'll be on all day. Cyberbob  Talk  04:11, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Yello? Cyberbob  Talk  12:35, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Comite Double Warning

He had made the edit back and forth with Sonny twice, and as I was typing in the warning, he had gone through the process again undoing the revert I had done. I felt that the "Double Warning" was appropriate. He did it again... I gave him a three minute Ban (ohhh noes). I did wht I thought was right. I still think I did what was right. I explained to Keven my beleif and stance on the matter on his sockpuppets page. But you know... Conndraka^{mod T DHPD CFT} 05:04, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Gage on A/VD

Do we just go in and add his older misconduct ones in with old timestamps? Or what? --Darth Sensitive ^W! 05:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

We could be lazy and just say "approximately such and such", but we really should find the original timestamps/entry and fold them in. That is gonna be a bitch, I'm sure. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 05:39, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Axes High access

Hi first of all apologise if this is in the wrong place ive just taken over AH and ive noticed that there is a protection on the page to prevent editing the problem with this being all the users who would of once edited the page went inactive a while ago. Would it be possible to get it removed or better for it to be transfered to my account. If it makes it easier the best place to reply to me would be on the Talk:Malton_Forensics_Unitpage. Cheers Silver slayer 19.40, 4 April 2007

Editing the Wiki

If what you want to talk about does not make sense under the other headings — Important Stuff, harsh Criticism, Praise, or Pointless Chatter — then it belongs under this heading.

Old "Editing the Wiki" messages may be found here.

Searching

I found your message on the searching page, and it said that if you hadn't done anything in a week to message you. You posted 2 years ago, so I thought I'd drop a line.Yonnua Koponen 20:19, 25 August 2008 (BST)

Location pages

Hey I was just browsing the location style guide to see who I should talk to about the approved way to set out suburb locations pages and your name came up a fair bit in its history. I've noticed how some locations have their own pages (like Freake Grove) and some are part of a grouped page, such as Gatley Drive. Should all related locations in a suburb (eg. streets) share a suburb block type page, or should they have their own individual page? I am just cleaning up some wiki pages in the NW area (Dakerstown, Jensentown...) and need to know what policy I should adhere to, especially since a lot of the links in the 3x3 map on every location's page are broken (see: Seamour Crescent) due to the variation in styles from suburb to suburb. I hope you're the right person to talk to about this. Thanks in advance.--Nick 22:08, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Suburb Group List - Grouped by type?

Hey Xoid, I have a question for you. Recently Jorm went through Dulston, Pescodside, Rhodenbank, and Rolt Heights undoing some work of mine. Not that I have a complaint against him, mind you, because I feel that technically he was correct. A while back I checked each group listed for a suburb and then grouped them under a header: Survivor Groups, Zombie/PKer Groups, and in the case of groups associated with the Dulston Alliance a header named exactly that. I didn't see any problem with it and I figured it let users/players get a fast update on what groups were in a suburb: survivor, zombie, and PKer. On the other hand Jorm pointed out that this method did not conform with what every other suburb had for their suburb listing and he removed those headers. Fair enough I say. I tried to resolve this issue with that in mind and that's where I left it.

Wait, I said I had a question, so here it is: Where would I suggest my original idea in order to have it possibly approved as a standard for the UD Wiki? I figure the idea was solid, but I need to resolve the matter through the proper channels (i.e. Mods). Of course you guys might not agree with me, but as it stands I have nothing to lose by suggesting it. Also, what's your opinion on this idea? Taking into account that I obviously shouldn't be grouping zombie and PKer groups under the same header. --Mobius187 February 17 2007, 5:06 PM (EST)

The suburb style guide talk page would probably be the place to to codify it? Where is that Xoidberg, I wonder -- boxy ^{T L ZS Nuts2U DA} 00:40, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

NPOV and location pages

What's the go with non-point of view on locations pages, I figure that Kenward Towers & The Edson Building, for example, shouldn't be claimed by a group, and made into pseudo-group pages. Would it be unreasonable to move the group stuff to the talk pages and locationise it in situations like that? Is there anywhere that explains NPOV policy here? -- boxy ^{T L ZS Nuts2U DA} 00:25, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

There isn't an NPOV policy, unfortunately. You can do one of three things:

1. Try to change it under the "this crap doesn't belong here, ∴ it's not good faith to include it, revert my edit and get reported."
2. Simply bully them into submission
3. Arbitration case.

I prefer the first, because it's the the most desirable of the three. Arbitration cases are a pain, and shit like this is really just vandalism — if they do it again after getting told not to. (Deliberately making pages POV is not good faith, ergo vandalism.) –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 05:14, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I might try to get something together in the future, about NPOV. It needs a page of it's own I figure -- boxy ^{T L ZS Nuts2U DA} 01:24, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Pescodside Wiki Page Mergers

Hey Xoid, I wanted your opinion on something, being a Moderator for the wiki and all that. I gather that from your vote against merging revive points (streets) in Pescodside because of their content you are against any wikipages with significant content being merged (i.e. Hospitals, Fire Stations, Police Stations, NecroTech facilities, ect). Is that correct? I personally have no problem unmerging the 3 revive points I added to Pescodside Streets, but I wanted to inquire about NecroTech Dulston and Pescodside Fire Department. When I first started working on the wiki these were already created, but I never liked the idea of merging building wikipages... at all. I mean streets, junkyards, wasteland, parking lots... sure. Maybe even cemeteries, but not buildings. Let me get down to the point. I'm more than willing to put in the extra effort involved with unmerging wikipages like those, but if I did the work would you back me on deleting the old merged wikipage, so the UD Wiki is cleaned up aftewards? I don't want to do the work and then find that what I did was wrong in the eyes of the Mods (though I hear that not all Mods agree on this point, still, it's what I would like to see so I thought you would be the one to ask).

If I did start doing this it would start with Dulston and Pescodside as I'm familiar with the work done in those two suburbs and I probably wouldn't find my work contradicted (i.e. I wouldn't be stepping on anyone's toes unsuspectingly by undoing their work). Anyway, let me know. --Mobius187 January 30 2007, 6:40 PM (EST)

Just to note; my status as moderator is irrelevant in this discussion. Pretty much any discussion not having to do with rules, for that matter. My experience with location fixing and how to do it is rather good though. ;-)

Only locations with actual content should have their own page. The fact that these revive points also need a category added to them is another reason for un-merging. But only those specific locations; the rest should stay. If it's only a one or two liner, then leave them merged.

A good rule of thumb: if it's a full page of unique content (this normally doesn't apply - usually it's just boilerplate text with important info that applies to all of the locations under a single heading), then split it off.

That's the way it tends to work on Wikipedia; if a subset of a particular subject has enough for it's own page, it gets one. I don't see any reason to do differently here, it's a good system. –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 13:18, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

So the key points are that if a location has generic text (i.e. "Blank" is a street in the suburb of Pescodside) it can be merged with other wikipages that share the same minimal content. But if a page has anything beyond this type of basic description, like say for a building location, then it should have its own wikipage. When I have some spare time I intend to unmerge NecroTech Dulston and I'll post a Delete request for it. Depending on how that turns out I'll work on Pescodside Fire Department next. --Mobius187 February 2 2007, 9:55 AM (EST)

You're mostly correct; both Dulston's and Pescodside seem fine for splitting at the moment, there is actual meat there… even for the least detailed location out the lot. Typically, a one-liner or single paragraph is merged, with the exception of "unique" locations, like phone masts.

Additionally, the "merged" page should remain, but only with links to each individual page. This is to facilitate with easily finding a NT/Fire Dept./etc. once a page has been split off. –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 15:32, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Oops, I'm sorry Mobius, it looks like I combined that Dulston NecroTech page when I shouldn't have. Just say the word and I'll undo my mess -- boxy ^{T L ZS Nuts2U DA} 00:10, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

No need to apologize, I make mistakes now and then too because seriously it's a learning experience. So long as we're willing to learn from mistakes, which I like to do, then it's all good. Besides, as Xoid recommended, we can still use the NecroTech Dulston wikipage. What I'll do is first copy the NT building profiles/text to the individual wikipages (currently redirects pointing to "NecroTech Dulston") and then I'll edit the "NecroTech Dulston" wikipage to act as a redirect hub, similar to when you search for a location that exists in more than one suburb (i.e. Anne General Hospital), but in this case pointing to the specific NT buildings in Dulston by name. Also I'll edit all the remaining map links around the suburb so they point back to the individual wikipages. Lastly I'll include the new "NecoTech Dulston" link in the individual pages as well as a few other key places so players will be able to view the links to all the NT buildings in the suburb at once (other than on the suburb wikipage where they can do that already). I'll do that right now. --Mobius187 February 3 2007, 11:50 AM (EST)

Sounds good to me. I'm hoping working towards having such a page for every building type in every suburb. So that you can go to the Suburbname buildingtype page and either get a list of all the individual pages, or if they're pages without much content, then a grouped location page. Even if there are none of that type of building, I'm going to create pages saying so eventually. You (and Xiod) might like to contribute to Location Nuts at some point, or bring up any discussions like this on the talk page, I (and any other location nuts) am more likely to see it there, just happened upon this discussion :) -- boxy ^{T L ZS Nuts2U DA} 01:22, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, there actually was a project before that, I think you signed up for it. Can't recall 100%. That page is more likely to be seen there (much like Project Welcome/UnWelcome/etc.) simply because of its being in the main namespace. Perhaps "rename" the older project, or join forces or something.

I somehow doubt that people aren't going to work together if they aren't, but less duplication of effort is always a good thing. Maybe just state that the page (locations project) is deprecated and to become a nutter instead? (Side-note: the Location Nuts' talk page needs some organisation and neatening.) –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 10:06, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I did sign up, but there didn't seem to be much in the way of just idle chatter about the locations project (or much talk at all really). Set up the group so that people could just join up and yap about it in an area of our own if they wanted, ask silly questions somewhere where it doesn't matter. Don't know about others, but I'm not all that comfortable spamming up project talk pages that way... sorta why I havn't bothered cleaning up that talk page much either (although I guess it needs one, looking at it now). Informal is the go over there. I'd like it to just become like a social club/first point of contact for the locations project, rather than replace it -- boxy ^{T L ZS Nuts2U DA} 10:56, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I added my name to Location Nuts, just because at this rate I'll need to start counting colons so I indent this topic properly... but I think this pretty much wraps-up the whole suburb merge page discussion. There is just one thing, I agree with boxy that the merged redirect wikipages should use the (suburb) (building type) naming convention. That said what we have here is the opposite... NecroTech Dulston. While I can see the principal is the same I would prefer the category wikipage to make sense by organizing all the redirect wikipages under suburb name (i.e. Category Streets = Dulston Streets, Pescodside Streets, ect) rather then the much less useful "everything under N for NecroTech". So what do you guys think, should we delete NecroTech Dulston and create Dulston NecroTech? Or simply create Dulston NecroTech and redirect NecroTech Dulston to point to it like some kind of perverse redirect pyramid scheme? Of course then we have the issue that, by checking the NT buildings category, naming the merged wikipage NecroTech suburb is the method that has been used to date. --Mobius187 February 5 2007, 8:25 AM (EST)

Yeah, the NecroTech group pages are the odd ones out arn't they, but that's what the locations style guide says. The streets and carparks and other group page names were changed a while ago, there's a discussion on the talk page. I think it's easier to go with the redirect method personally, if it's even a problem -- boxy ^{T L ZS Nuts2U DA} 01:53, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

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how u make box wit circle? --Grundo 07:05, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Redirecting to Categories

Is there any way to stop redirections to categories from being included in the category themselves? For example tactics. It seems that because the [[Category:Tactics]] tag is in there, even though it's part of the redirection request, it still includes it in the category -- boxy ^{T L PA DA} 14:48, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

#REDIRECT [[:Category:Tactics]] –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 03:23, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank'ee -- boxy ^{T L ZS PA DA} 09:13, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Historical Groups - Shacknews

It's been over two weeks, and there are well over 60+ votes in favor of Shacknews becoming historical. Is it time to make this official? Do you have the authority to do so? --Pchem 21:10, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

took Care of it for you. Conndraka^{mod TDHPD CFT} 23:25, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Criterion 13

How do you want to proceed with that? Would you like me to change how it is worded, or is it acceptable to Kevan? Also, I can always spend some of my time hunting around for the links to the copyright holders of images, so we can at least cite them while we are discussing their future. --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™} 20:34, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

More about move requests

As you know I was off a long time and I didn't realize that moving pages was restricted to mods while I was off. I used to use that function quite often when adressing lots of Criterion 9 and some other mistakes, and now having to make a request for every move just seems ankward (and takes away the glory! =P). I suppose that this was a restriction made for that vandal event held at Halloween that Kevan just decided to keep for its efectiveness, but before asking him and wait for a delayed answer I decided to see how is your posture about the issue: There's any chance that the move of pages by normal users will be restored? --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺W! 09:15, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

What, so you can take up backseat modding again? Hell, it's not as though you haven't already given it your best shot. --A Bothan Spy ^{Mod WTF U! B!} 09:19, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Kevan actually had this on the cards for a while, long before the event that never transpired. Frankly, it's a pain in the arse I'd rather the mods not have to deal with. There may be some slight chance of Kevan reinstating it, but you can bet your bottom dollar that the moment he does some moron will vandalise and force him to retract it. I've discussed making a separate permission for trusted users, but we've never really gotten down to brass tacks. –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 10:33, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Move Requests Page

Xoid, since you are the moderator of the Move Requests page, I would kindly ask if you could take care of the pending requests (if one wasn't mine, I wouldn't be asking). Thanks. --RevivalOfTheFittest 07:06, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Every mod is a mod everywhere. Cyberbob  Talk  10:34, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Namespace

As one of the bureaucrats, I assume you know more about how the wiki works than I do; what are the chances of getting a Lexicon: namespace? According to the Wikipedia page there are some custom ones and as far as I know we're not using ours.--'STER-Talk-Mod^P! 04:21, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

It depends entirely upon Kevan. I think he might do it, it's an incredibly easy change, one that would take a matter of seconds to make. I'll ask him. –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 09:40, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Alrighty, thanks.--'STER-Talk-Mod^P! 18:21, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Image Recovery?

I just wanted to make sure that I had it right, that images that have been deleted can't be recovered? I think I've seen that said around here, and that it needs a wiki update to be able to do it. It came up here, seems a vandal copied over an image, and it was deleted -- boxy ^{T L PA DA} 05:17, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

A deleted image cannot be recovered, but you can revert to an earlier revision of an existing image IIRC.--Gage 06:06, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Gage, figured as much -- boxy ^{T L PA DA} 10:22, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Template Problem

I remember back in the good ol' days of jedaz and his evil template thing, that you had mentioned some kind of script that would prevent people from adding the same template several times in the same page. How that thing ended up ? Cuz if this script is active, i think that is the thing that broken the Deletion Page user template signatures, because i just casted several votes in one edit and my sig and other people sig now arent showing :\ --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 03:11, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

That is exactly what happened, Hagnat.--Thari ^{TжFedCom is BFI!} 03:20, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I Tried fixing it, but I evidently don't know enough about the internal workings of the wiki. Conndraka^{mod T DHPD CFT} 04:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Replace {{User:User name/sig}} with [[User:User name|]]. Find → replace. There's no other way. –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 07:49, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

oh Joy...replace all the damn siglines not just Hagnats...damn. Allright I'll see what I can do. Conndraka^{mod TDHPD CFT} 09:11, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Went through it line by line and fixed the damn thing. Conndraka^{mod TDHPD CFT} 10:12, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

You needed to use a text editor with a "find next" function, and preferably a replace option (Word Pad) -- boxy ^{T L PA DA} 10:22, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Not a script, but a hardcoded limit that was set well, well below the threshold. There's not a chance in hell of setting off the inclusion bullshit that DouchePage 'n' Pals used to love. Enjoy. –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 07:49, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Illegal RE's

There's always the talk pages. I admit I've not been the one to look to as far as keeping RE chains a manageable length, but lately I'm leaning toward going to the talk pages sooner rather than later.--J Muller 07:30, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

GBM

We are not dead, we're in far estern malton and we need our wiki back. Vito the don

Dev/null

I was going to throw this up for speedy delete, but thought I would check with you first, since I'm not sure if it's eligible, and you're a mod and the only editor. --Sgt. Expendable ^JG 00:04, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

It survived a deletion debate before. You can try putting it up for speedy, and it'll probably succeed, but people will cry foul over it. I'd advise against putting it up. –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 08:35, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Axes High

Thanks for letting me know! I actually glanced at the M/U page, but wasn't sure if a request to remove protection was appropriate there. If something like this comes up again I'll go directly there. --Gilant ^talk|DEM 15:48, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Sig

Hey Xoid, I thought I'd bug you but I want my sig changed. Can you change it to the following.

[[User:Pillsy|Pillsy]] ^{<span class="plainlinks">[http://urbandeadwiki.th7.net/index.php F][[User talk:Pillsy|T]]</span>}

Thanks. Pillsy ^FT 13:44, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Done. --Xoid 14:02, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Name redirect

Hi, Xoid. As far as I can tell, the most important thing about this redirect being deleted is because you are not supposed to redirect from a name Harald von Holzapfel to a userpage user:Harald von Holzapfel. If that is correct, then the rest doesn't matter (the examples I found were Conndraka and Kevan, who, presumably because they are moderators (and Kevan wrote the game, of course), get some snazzier rights).

However, one thing that worries me is, what happens if someone does a propaganda page using another groups name, that page is deleted, then the real group wants to do their own page, using the same title? As I understand it (and I am not ruling out miscomprehension) the page name would then be automatically deleted, under criterion 6, which would mean the group whose name was misused would then embarrassingly be forced to use a page named differently to their group name, as a result of a malicious edit!--Harald von Holzapfel 21:15, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

ummm actually no, I'm not suposed to have a redirect like that either... Thanks for pointing that out. I'll take care of it. Conndraka^{mod TDHPD CFT} 22:33, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

OK - so not even moderators then! All the best Conndraka, that was not meant as an accusation, by the way, you were just the first one I could find (who was not Kevan)! Anyway, unless there are any other kinds of redirect, I will give up. Thanks--Harald von Holzapfel 13:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Kevan, as sole owner of the game and wiki, is above the law. He rarely exercises his power in that regard, but I doubt he even knows the redirect exists — IIRC, someone else made that redirect. Anyway, I'd basically not follow the rules in his particular circumstance purely out of convenience — he's the creator of the game and people are going to search for his page ridiculously often. Unlike <insert random person here> who nobody has ever heard of.

Yes, I expected that, as I said above, but I thought maybe it would be true for moderators also. Anyway, this has been thoroughly answered. Thankyou! Harald von Holzapfel 20:25, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

If anyone ever wants to write biographies for notable UD personalities, I'd be pushing for a policy to allow the biographies to exist. –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 14:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Since criterion 6 only prevents pages being recreated if the content is pretty much the same, the group would be allowed to create their page. –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 14:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

OK! Well that is clarified. Thankyou very much! Harald von Holzapfel 20:25, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Requests for Promotion

The 2 requests for promotion have been under discussion for 2 weeks now so I've placed a finall tally and a voting ended message. Do you want me to put them in the rejected section or do you need to do that? Pillsy ^FT 11:27, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I need to do that. Also; Jon's has not ended yet. It goes by the date they get their third vouch, not by the date they submitted their prom. bid. Nov. 22 = 06:43, 22 November 2006 (UTC) = 9 (til Dec starts) + 4 (of Dec) = 13 days. –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 11:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Ah, apologies. Pillsy ^FT 13:33, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

The Corleone Family

MY fucking page has been deleted again, by who you ask? Tommy Fucking Versseti of the Red Mafyia if you do not ban him now, im going to kill him myself.Vito The Don

It was deleted for inactivity. See M/SD.--Gage 20:20, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

then why did a red mafiyia take claim for it—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bob8914 (talk • contribs) .

He couldn't have. Only mods can delete pages.--Gage 15:25, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Shortcut Templates

okay, so I made a template, and for the life of me I cant figure out how to make it show up with brackets {{}} I'm just wondering how one would go about doing that. Let me know on my discussion page if you get the time --Dickholeguy 01:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Example votes

I was looking down the suggestion page when I noticed that the section of example votes was still set out in the old fashioned way - with kill, keep and spam votes all mixed up together. It might be better if it followed the new style, with each in its own section. I'd change it myself, but the page is protected. The Mad Axeman 10:43, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. The Mad Axeman 14:45, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

It was Conn. who fixed it. –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 16:37, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

M/D#Ban In-Game Rape & Don't Ban In-Game Rape

Considering the owner of this here cattle ranch has voiced his wishes with regard to the first, do you concur that we should be voting only for deletion of the second? -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 18:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

He didn't demand that it was kept (which he could have done), he voted. There is a difference between using his owner privilege to overrule this deletion request and registering a keep vote.--Gage 20:48, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't disagree with the second sentence at all, just thought the conclusion as to your first sentence was maybe a little ambiguous. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 21:02, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Improper Move

I moved a page in preperation for a crit 9 speedy which was actualy a legitimate alt user page. I put it back where I found it and noted under the original speedy and undelete requests here and here. I am unsure if I'm allowed to fix my own flub in this way. Sorry if I blew it trying to fix it. --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 12:05, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

To be honest, I don't think anyone would really care if you did, though going through the 'official channels' is probably a good idea. (Late reply, yes, but I've been busy.) –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 01:01, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Policy

I believe this policy UDWiki:Moderation/Policy_Discussion/Signature_Policy has now passed and should be moved to approved policies. -- Bubba^T 23:25, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

and... done.--Gage 23:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Hidden Sections

I'll leave you with a link to the C&C Navigation Bar, from Wikipedia... and a thought on how the show/hide function for a section of the wiki could be useful in areas like the Humorous Suggestions, were the votes could be hidden from the regular user in order to mantain the fun on that page. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 03:31, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Criticism

The complaints department. Serious grievances with me go under this heading. Due to people using this section for what it was not intended, I feel the need to remind people that this section is for serious stuff, not trifling disagreements.

Old "Criticism" messages may be found here.

How serious a grievance has to be?

Well, I'll tell you what. I just readed your text. The second time I removed it I didn't readed any of it. I'm telling you so you know why I removed it tough you "removed all the flames": because I didn't bother to know.

Anyways, not only the intro, that was pure flaming, but the conclussion you make are really offensive, with the plus that your conclussion contradicts itself, by saying that the difference4 between Mod material and not is being able to thinbk clearly regardless of personal feelings: You admitted on the talk pages of everyone that I contacted for input on the policy:

Xoid said:

I was a bit pissed when he insulted me, my friends and my integrity

It's nice how you exacerbate everything I say, yet you only were "a bit pissed". I'm even a fascist now? OH NOES!!!! my trotskist brother will kill me!... I DO have a trotskist brother, BTW).

Your intro of "Bold faced lies, hyperbole, contradictions and assumptions" can be very well applied to you and won't be far from true, if it's not just certain...

The points you try to make don't match in content the outright flames you feed, but still you want me to respond, and your sacrosant word to be kept as it is...

Finally, you now try to feed my friends (or at least, the people I like the most on this wiki, as I don't have much chat with them) with your hate against me, with diff links and everything.

I won't say how this looks, or how bad you're making yourself look. You may be pissed because I said I didn't trust you, I said I didn't like your friends, and what? I have my reasons, you said the same kind of things of me and some of the guys I trust, if not worse, and I'm not rambling on Darth's page with a copy of a copy of a reply with diff links on it. Control yourself.

But yet, you won't. And I won't suffer the comments of a guy that can't evolve anymore. Reply me where you want, how you want; exericise your freedom to be annoying like your friends do. I'm tired of your little group: you'll get ignored. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 15:53, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

"…can be very well applied to you and won't be far from true…" — something of which you have no evidence thereof. Throughout that page you have been disingenuous and oft. spouting outright falsehoods.

"…being able to thinbk clearly regardless of personal feelings…" — if you re-read that quote, you may realise that you have done nothing but illustrate my point: despite being a bit pissed I was still thinking clearly.

"It's nice how you exacerbate everything I say, yet you only were "a bit pissed"…" — when I'm beating the crap outta my boxing bag is when I'm really pissed. Replying snarkily to your sniping is to be expected. If you pull a dog's tail, don't be surprised when it barks at you..

"The points you try to make…" — correction: the points I made. You have made absolutely no effort to refute them. The rest of the sentence? I honestly cannot understand.

"Finally, you now try to feed my friends…against me, with diff links and everything." — Do you honestly think I'm going to describe every little detail? Diff. links speak for themselves; they can draw their own conclusions from them.

"…my friends (or at least, the people I like the most on this wiki, as I don't have much chat with them)…" — I can't decipher this. Are they your friends or not?

"…a copy of a copy of a reply…" — so I didn't have the inclination to personalise it. What of it? It still says what I meant it to say. You should be thankful I resorted to cut 'n' psate instead of writing longwinded messages, not asking for more. :P

"I won't say how this looks…." — you completely ignored every point I made. Completely. You didn't even have the courtesy to read it. All I know is that feels cheap. I bet it looks no better.

"…you said the same kind of things of me and some of the guys I trust…" — hm? The only guys I've said such things about have a long and clearly documented history backing up my claims. The sole exceptions being Jedaz; who just so happened to put on a convincing display (god only knows why) at the same time 3 Page gave me "proof". And you: while lacking a long history, but you are clearly working to remedy that.

"Control yourself. . . .But yet, you won't." — considering you are supposed to be the "good guy" and the epitome of self-control, you certainly aren't demonstrating it. You sniped at me quite often on that page, despite the fact I was honestly trying to point out where it needed work. Since it is obvious that you believe only what you want to believe, I'm not going to bother trying to help work the kinks out of your policies. They can fail when others see the grandiose flaws for themselves.

"And I won't suffer the comments of a guy that can't evolve anymore." — I can't decipher this either.

"…exericise your freedom to be annoying like your friends do." — I thought that was a freedom you were trying to remove? Regardless, if having someone try to squash the bugs in your policy is "annoying" then — as I already said — I'll "annoy" you no longer.

–Xoid ^M•T•FU! 16:54, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Blah Blah Blah (cont'd from earlier page, I copy/pasted Gage's last response too)

Mods already have to wade through enough bureaucracy as it is. Don't attack me with the red tape! It is simply too much work for me to be bothered with. I recognize that you think that democracy is better, but I think our elected aristocracy is much more simple (and therefore better). You will not convince us, and you obviously are extremely stuborn. Drop it. Now.--Gage 04:16, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not stubborn, just opinionated. I'd be stubborn if I refused to change my position in the face of valid argument. You have, in my opinion, failed to present this. And wait, are you telling me to drop my position on democracy? It's a tad unclear.--J Muller 05:49, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Here's my .02. The Wiki is not a Democracy. Just like the United States, the wiki is a Republic, and the "Elected" leaders of this wiki do what they have to do on a day to day basis to maintain the wiki. And just like all other Republics, the leadership cannot be constrained by the limitations of a true democracy. Its a great idea but just like Communism, it's a great idea but it just isn't practical. No, the populace of the wiki get their "Vote" in the (s)election of the Moderators and have the ability to recall the Moderator based on his/her decisons in the Moderation/Misconduct page. If you don't like the decisions made by the Moderators you pretty much have to live with it until you have enough support to back a policy change. Conndraka^{mod TDHPD CFT} 06:00, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

And you think what, I'm doing this for fun or something?--J Muller 06:07, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

No I'd say you are respectfully standing up for an honest opinion and I can admire that...but the general consensus right now is more or less how Gage and Xoid see things, and until "Grass Roots" changes their minds, the Vandal/Policy alterations are likely to stick- as written. If someone gets Permabanned they can get someone still on the wiki to address the issue, and if there is merit, it will get overturned. Conndraka^{mod TDHPD CFT} 06:25, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. Xoid and Gage haven't rebutted anything I've said as much as they've dismissed it as illogical nonsense without even trying to rationalize that statement. I realize general opinion is as you've said, but people seem to think that means anyone who thinks differently shouldn't even post on the wiki.--J Muller 06:36, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Y'know, the feeling is mutual. You've insinuated a lot and haven't refuted anything I've said either. The most you've said is "I don't care if this brings the wiki grinding to a halt, I'm arguing on principle.". I'm arguing on principle too; the principle that inconveniencing almost the entirety of the wiki isn't something I'll stand for; not without there being one hell of a good reason why.

As to explaining how you're ramming this down our throats? Exactly how many times have you brought this issue up? From day 1? Ding ding ding. You've voted for on every policy even vaguely implementing something like this. You've discussed this at length, and tried to derail yet another policy with your agenda. How are you not ramming this down our throats? –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 02:08, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Praise

If you want to tell me what I've done that impresses you, place it under this heading...

Old "Praise" messages may be found here.

Thanks!

I just relized that you fixed my Nav bar thingy. Here's a cookie:

	A FREE COOKIE
	Axe Hack has given Xoid a cookie for fixing his Nav bar thingy.

--Slice 'N' Dicin' Axe Hack 13:48, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for restoring that page. I think I shall bugger off now. Well then, 'till tomorrow! --Sirens^{T RR} 05:28, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Amazing Wiki

I must say, you have an amazing user page, and I truly value your contributions to the wiki community. Tell me, how can I format my wiki page to be as great as yours? Is there a place where I can find guides on how to create columns, etc.?--Dux Ducis 07:42, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Here are some resources you can try:

• Help:Contents — check out the section on tables (and any others that seem pertinent).
• Web colors — useful for finding colours that work. IIRC, it also provides a basic understanding on what the codes actually mean.
• W3Schools' guide on XHTML — should (if their CSS guide is anything to go by) give you a good grounding in the basic XHTML tags and such (though there is no real need to read up on all the tags).
• W3Schools' guide on CSS — should give you a good grounding in CSS.
• Project Mentor — if you want someone to help 'mentor' you through the process.

Thanks for the compliment, but it's actually quite primitive compared to some other's pages (mainly due to the effort required and the lack of practical benefits when I know the URLs off by heart already, though I may eventually get off my butt and add a navbar and other 'prettiness' to my page if I get some time). –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 10:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the speedy reply, and many thanks for the great resources you have given to me! Hmm, when I get around to it, project mentor seems alright for the tricky stuff I want to try out later...--Dux Ducis 11:26, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I have a query to do with some code - is there a way to change the color of all of my links on my user page? Say I want to change them all to maroon, how would I achieve this?--_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 07:52, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I see Cyberbob already helphed you with this, but I'll add that you can also change external links colours if you so desire. Just amke sure external links are in this format — [URL {{c|colour|description of link}}] — and they'll be recoloured. –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 10:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, although it doesn't seem to work for internal links, that is the {{c|some color|text you want to change}} template...--_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 13:00, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

You sure? Your colour changes are working for me. --Xoid 13:04, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Works for me too. What browser are you using, Dux? Cyberbob  Talk  13:04, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Firefox, I think I had a spell mistake in there. The color works fine, but the link is screwed. Show me some of your code, ay?--_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 13:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Let me clarify- internal links are screwed, not external. Go have a look on my page for my external colored links--_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 13:28, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[[It's spelt 'color'|<span style="color: red">It's spelt 'color'</span>]] or [[Red!|{{c|blue|Red!}}]] should work. They did the last time I checked. –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 09:11, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Shacknews thanks you!

ASS's anti-materiel support will be a vital part of the zambah victory at Giddings. Survivor communication is a large concern; if they can communicate, they can reinforce their weak points. Disrupting command and control will make each building an individual sitting duck. We're hoping that you guys decide to help us and start smashing radios and generators in Pitneybank as soon as possible. Thanks for even considering throwing your support into this operation! --New Coldness 18:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Outta character for the ASS-ASSins isn't it? Griefing survivors that are being smart in their defences against the Zambah? -- boxy ^{T L PA DA} 11:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Giddings is full of CDF; CDF counts as stupid by default. End of story. –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 11:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Tactical expertise != intellectual functioning. Why do you think the Army gets so many high-school dropouts? Cyberbob  Talk  11:41, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Haha, gotta say, from what I've read on the wiki, there's some real fruit cakes in Giddings (dunno if that make them stupid, or just weird). -- boxy ^{T L PA DA} 11:57, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Giddings = pwned. Thanks for you support, dawgz. --New Coldness 02:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

My pleasure. :-) Didn't help out as much as I'd have liked to, but I nabbed myself quite a few more as a zombie when I didn't get a revive after the first two killing sprees. –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 14:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

You wiki editin' machine

Um, anyway, I just really stopped by here to say, your a moderating machine! 8-0 Nice work -- boxy ^{T L PA DA} 11:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Free Cookie

	A FREE COOKIE
	hagnat has given xoid a cookie for doing the dirty work on the deletions page, during the Copyright Infringement Drama

--People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 20:33, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Pointless Chatter

Should speak for itself. This heading is for non-serious stuff that is not directly related to editing the wiki.

Old "Pointless Chatter" messages may be found here.

Hello Xoid

My names Xolah, i've been asked to speak to you on behalf of some interested parties. Could you reach me through gmail. "Xolah.the.Voice". It would be muchly appreciated. Please place "Xoid" as the subject. Thank you for your time-Xolah 05:03, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Amazing

I was wondering if you were willing to discuss what kind of behavior had the aformentioned user banned? --Poodle of doom 05:03, 10 April 2007 (BST)

Can't help it

I really can't help it, but... LAPTOP--Brendoshi 00:24, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

IM

Trillianplz Cyberbob  Talk  06:56, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Why do I always have to ask? Can't you ever come on of your own accord? Sheesh. Cyberbob  Talk  15:02, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Could it be because *gasp* I don't feel like talking? No, of course not. ::) –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 15:03, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Wanna talk about why you don't want to talk? Cyberbob  Talk  15:04, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

LOL. No, seriously, I that did make me laugh. I could cut the irony there with a knife. The reason? It's mainly because I can't get anything done when people keep bugging me every five seconds. –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 15:06, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

OK. Well, I'll be on when you're done. Cyberbob  Talk  15:08, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, come on. We'll talk about something less stressful, if you like. Cyberbob  Talk  07:46, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I am not in the mood to talk to anyone at the moment. Leave me be. –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 07:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny

Hey, I have a question for you. Why does Mr. Rogers win the Ultimate Showdown? I pretty much understood everything but that. I guess it has something to do with why the Mr. Rogers policy was created, but that's pretty much everything I know about him, apart of his Wikipedia article that wasn't of much help. I ask you because I saw you input on the Ultimate Showdown's page in Wikipedia. Care to tell me? Thanks! --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 19:35, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

NFI. Try asking CaptainM, he might know. –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 07:01, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Damn! Thanks anyways! --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 07:33, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Poopman9

Your comment about me on Gages talk page is 100% true, and it is my job... --Poopman9 20:10, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Damn man...

Yeah hey you don't know alot about me (kinda new here) but i've read alot of your contributions i like and agree with alot that you got to say but yeah I just figured i'd drop you a line by the way are you a mod? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lonewolf17a (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

Hi there. Yeah, I'm one of them. You can click the 'M' in my signature to get a full listing of moderators, if you're interested in finding out which users are mods (note that most on that list are inactive, or semi-active). –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 16:49, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh sorry it's been this long since I commented back I just figured you were kinda blowing me off cause im new here (Not A n00b!) I hate them just as much as you do but the reason I thought that was because I thought you'd talk back on my page but that’s okay we can talk here cause well 1.I've read ALOT of your contributions might I say goddamn are you like the head guy here ?(besides Kevan)2. also I had a few questions if im not wasting to much of your time (in a respectful way) Because I hope I could help out the wiki to maybe be a mod later who knows anyway I appreciate your time and you can either comment here or on my page...Lonewolf17a 21:13, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, sure, ask away. --Xoid 10:12, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Uh...(not really an appropriate way to begin a sentence but never the less...)Yeah I was hoping later I could be a moderator but I needed to know how to move pages like when they get cluttered and people start to bitch about it anyways I appreciate your help oh by the way do you live in Texas? Anyways thanks for your time...--Lonewolf17a 15:11, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

p.s One more question (actually three) 1. how do you make groups on the game 2.Is ASSualt still looking for people because my guy is a level 22 3.If so how would one join I.E. Me!

Moving pages is currently restricted to moderators at the moment. It's not likely to change either; pandemic abuse from vandals convinced Kevan that it was no longer a good idea. Moving part of a page is rather easy, just cut what you want to move, save the page, open up another page for editing, paste it there and save the page. Done.

The ASSault is not recruiting at this time, no. I should probably go remove the ad, if it's still there. –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 16:55, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah it sounds pretty easy I've still got about a month before I can even be nominated but I guess it's worth tha wait oh yeah and I was looking at the mods. page shit only about 4 or 5 of you have almost as much power as kevan over the wiki.(i stress almost though cause I'm sure he could just blow this shit to pieces *heh*) ya well if the group ever does decide to hire I'm a pretty good strategists... Well Xoid thanks...--Lonewolf17a 21:02, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay haven't been on for a little while but my internet has been down but I was hoping you could help me out I really wanna help out the wiki so I've registered to become a sysop anything you might suggest? anyways thanks for the time...--Lonewolf17a 23:29, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Part of getting the job is proving yourself; which you have yet to do. –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 13:45, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I got that much cause I pretty much got blown off the mods page but I am yet to be defeated now that my internet is back up people can expect to see more of me around here. anywayz you have any suggestions as to how I could help out more around the wiki?--Lonewolf17a 17:57, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Compiling UDTool?

Any info on how to complie UDTool? I can't work it out.....................--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 14:50, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

It's just a bunch of zip files with different extensions. –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 14:54, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, didn't seem to work for me. FireFox moaned when I tried to install it.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 15:03, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Gee, thanks for the helpful description of the problem. Do I look like a mind reader to you? --Xoid 15:07, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Lol, I can't remember the error message. I'll post it later when I find my usb key.................--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 15:10, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Question

i have mozzila fire fox...how do you get those cool graphics!??!?!?! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cipher556 (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

What cool graphics do you mean? (I hope Xoid understands this better than I do :P).--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 13:11, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm guessing the Firefox UD extension... Conndraka^{mod TDHPD CFT} 13:58, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

1. Learn to spell.
2. Sign properly, or it gets replaced with {{unsigned}}, 'cause there's no way in hell I'm manufacturing your timestamps for you.
3. Is it that hard to read the notice at the top of my talk page?
4. To answer your question, see Extensions. UDToolbar. Direct all concerns about it elsewhere, I don't use it. –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 14:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

sigh. If you're going to sign, add the correct timestamp or don't bother at all. --Xoid 10:39, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

ASS

I got a new target that would go great on the ASS kill list. Poopman9! --Axe Hack 03:33, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Trillian

Can you come on, or are you at TAFE? Cyberbob  Talk  05:28, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

TAFE. I'll be home around 5 or 6. I'm getting tired of working on this assignment, it's so goddamned boring that wiki administration is actually fun. That's fucking scary. –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 05:33, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

:(

You really dont like me, huh ? --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 00:24, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The least you could do if you're going to lurk is to actually bother looking at what transpired. You know what I thought when I saw the first couple of edits like that from Conn? I wondered if he merely screwed up and forgot to record them; I still had your case fresh in mind, even this long after it. After easily upwards of dozen or so unwarranted permabans, other bans, warnings and other breaches of protocol over a week or two, I didn't see one or two minor errors but systematic abuse instead, especially when you consider how many of that "upwards of a dozen" ended up needing intervention or are — even now — are seriously questionable.

I bitchslapped you when you made half a dozen and you left to sulk, instead of cleanning up your act and sticking around. Exactly like when I broke protocol and banned Amazing, I gave you a lil' "Knock it off!" and you proceed to sulk, like a petulant child. When you came back this time, you didn't bother looking, you didn't bother caring enough to be informed, you just popped in and gave an opinion based purely on emotion instead of on the facts. That kind of willful ignorance disgusts me, and it's telling. –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 05:24, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, i tried to fix things when that shit with jjames happened. I didnt threw the shit in the ventilator and ran away, i stayed and got shit all over myself too. Unlike amazing, i know when i am wrong, and all i did at that time was to try to get hold of the situation and put an end in all that chaotic situation that was happening. Yes, i did banned and warned people then, but only because they were helping to create MORE chaos, instead of less.

About Conndraka, he was always a good mod. One of the finnest i knew. It was him, me, Zar, Ster and Brent running aound with the Mod power sticks, bashing vandals and retards out of space. When his previous case of misconduct (previously to the one i created) showed up, i went to check some of his actions, and i might have been blinded by emotions and didnt saw the facts, just like you said. But I know now that i was wrong then, and you might have did the same mistake if Hammero was the one in the same situation. (btw, what happened to him ? It's been months since i last seen him around).

Look. I still care for the wiki and UrbanDead. If i didn't, i wouldnt be here, huh ? I walked away not because of the retards and because you banned me and cyberbob was being a bitch... well, these things helped... but because of real life conditions... i am in the last year of my university, and have to make my conclusion work... which is pretty neat, about computer physics and aerodynamics :D... and i have found me a descent job, which is killing me but in a very joyfull way :D... this is why i dun stick around that much anymore...

--People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 15:30, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

An Apology

Xoid, please allow me to apologize for the attitude I threw at you when you commented on my first edit. Upon reflection, I took it waaayy too personally. I have since done a lot of reading on the policies of this wiki, as well as the stance of moderators (including yourself) on a lot of proposals, and I have to say that in most cases, you not only present your position, but a well-thought reasoning behind that stance. From what I've seen, your positive contributions outweigh any petty personality clashes. Let it not be said that I can't admit when I'm wrong. — Phoenixshade ^TJ!•T•UD 22:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what to say. I'm pleased you reconsidered your appraisal of me, but I know that I often bring such flak upon myself for being far brusque, on top of being a judgemental firebrand. I'm sorry about getting worked up over that. (I'm not really good at apologies myself, and I guess that's showing.) –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 01:10, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Jon Pyre

Hmm, that does seem like an unjustified and pretty large deletion. I haven't really been following most of the conflicts going on around the wiki. --Jon Pyre 15:50, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Erm

Why was my Moderation/Promotion moved to the 'unsuccessful' archive? I have 3 vouches, and I am also waiting on a few people who said they would change their vote. My request was never moved into community discussion even when I had 3 vouches. I had to point this out to Cyberbob240. Explain?--_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 05:50, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

'Eh? You sure? (What am I saying, of course you're sure.) I could've sworn… feel free to restore it. My apologies. –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 05:51, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

'K. Reverted. Sorry. –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 05:53, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Accidents happen. What happens now while it is under community discussion?--_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 05:58, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Two weeks from third vouch. –Xoid ^M•T•FU! 05:59, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, unless I can't count, I think it's been longer than two weeks. What now? --_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 07:46, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

A bureaucrat should review the bid and make a decision by looking at the different users support and concerns about you. I'll then be archived. Dux, you'll have more possibilities if instead of prolonging the same bid in hopes of people to change their original votes, you start a new bid in a couple of weeks or a month. I would vouch for you next time, as I believe that enough time has been since my concerns were presented and you should be already more familiarized with the rules. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 09:10, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not prolonging my vote, trust me. I would have been happier if things moved along quicker, however I had to prod users responsible with the maintenance of that namespace (read: other syops) as to what happens next. The guidelines are not totally concrete in that once you receive 3 vouches, your vote moves into community discussion, then it's "We'll see what happens now". So, what? Are you saying that I start over again, despite meeting the criteria set out? I do not understand if there is any concrete "pass or fail", "yes or no" system in place. Don't get me wrong, I'm not angry. Just a little frustrated that at this point, everything is not terribly clear. Please leave your reply on my talk page. Ta. --_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 11:20, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Um...wow...

Not a bureaucrat anymore?! Well, good luck in the real world or whatever it is you're doing now! --Lachryma^☭ 19:34, 1 April 2007 (BST)

Yup. I lost my passion for this dump long ago. Done what I could to make it better, but I don't think it can be fixed. This'll pretty much be the last edit I make, I don't honestly want to waste my time here again. Take care. –Xoid 19:47, 1 April 2007 (BST)

You did your best. good luck.--Vista 21:40, 1 April 2007 (BST)

we had some discussions, and there was time i wished to smash your head with a brick (and i think so wished you) but i cant deny that you did a wonderful job. Gratz, thank you, and goodbye. Hope to see you around the corners of the interweb somewhere else :) --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 21:49, 1 April 2007 (BST)

Still lost your passion? --_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 04:29, 14 May 2007 (BST)

The James Earl Jones Awards

	JEJ Nomination
	Xoid has been nominated to win the Best Insane loony person Award.

	JEJ Nomination
	Xoid has been nominated to win the Best male of Urban Dead Award.

Uwe Boll

Blizzard to Boll: Thanks, but no thanks. Since i know you like him that much. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 15:48, 22 April 2008 (BST)