User talk:Iscariot

The Talk Page of Iscariot

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If my attention is required for something or is a procedural message, kindly place it at the top of the page in accordance with rule 1. These rules apply without exception to any page in my userspace, that's any page that begins User:Iscariot or User talk:Iscariot. This means you shouldn't go hunting for other pages to just be annoying. Settling it once and for all User:Aichon/Other/Iscariot's Vandal Data. The name of the link says it all. Unlike the others, I am asking for your input, since if there's going to be anyone that objects, it's going to be you. I'm gonna try and contact all of the sysops and former sysops who are still active around here and have been involved with his data or might have an interest in it. Even if I miss a few, I figure enough people check all of your pages that most people who need to see the link will see it. ;) —Aichon— 01:30, 21 April 2010 (BST) I know the correct state of my vandal data. That is not the point of contention. The fact is that Boxy was allowed to falsify my data without providing a single iota of proof or even reasoning. There was no "This should have been de-escalated due to linked contributions here", no "Due to X contibutions from here to here, I've de-escalated to following" and certainly no "This is the amount of time to be taken off future bans due to being served incorrectly". Tell me Aichon, how much ban time do I have in hand? Didn't think you'd know, because despite asking DDR, Bob and shockingly Boxy multiple times to put the note on the page, nothing was done. Tell me again where they were showing good faith there. Until Boxy is forthcoming with this basic list of why he falsified my vandal data I see no point in entertaining any further debate on the subject, I'm not the one at fault here, common courtesy dictates that this explanation should be provided, but no-one else seems concerned by his behaviour. I view any further pages on it to be attack pages against me and concerned with covering Boxy rather than getting the basic facts that should have been provided by him so long ago. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 09:51, 21 April 2010 (BST) *Sigh* You didn't even read it first, otherwise you wouldn't be asking those rhetorical questions. Truthfully. Honestly? That stings. I put in a lot of work, and to have it not even glanced at before being blown off... If you check the page, you should see that I do provide an answer for how much ban time is theoretically due to you (9 days, 7 hours, 1 minute if you'd like to know, and yes, I counted every minute of it and documented where it came from), I do link every single group of 250 edits following your escalations so that de-escalations can be verified, I do provide explanations for what your data should be (probably 10,000+ characters on that subject alone), and it's not a matter that I'm bringing up for the sake of debate. I'm not opening up a discussion where we're going to hash it all out. I'm presenting an answer to the question of what it should have been all along. Whether or not Boxy falsified data...that argument is tangential and unimportant in the context of what I've written up, and shouldn't stop the truth from coming out, especially so when I'm handing it to you on a silver platter. I didn't create an argument to prove you or anyone else wrong. What I did was set out to find out the truth about the matter, and I believe very strongly that I have succeeded. I'm inviting you to look over my findings, and as I said in my promotion nomination, I'm not interested in playing politics. I'm here to do a job, I did it here, and I did a damn fine job, if I do say so. I'm not expecting a thank you by any means, but I am looking for people who were around at the time to fact check me. So please, as a courtesy to me, would you look it over? I spent quite a few hours documenting everything after I had completed my research, and it should only take a few minutes to read through. The end result is favorable for you, but not because I planned it that way or was trying to appease you; it's favorable to you because that's what the evidence shows is the correct course of events, and I've documented it each step of the way. —Aichon— 10:26, 21 April 2010 (BST) Crit 10s Why keep?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:40, 16 April 2010 (BST) Why not? Deletions can, and often do, lead to pages and templates being rediscovered from the wreckage of wiki past. I may even steal them all and make a crap mall version of Necrowatch. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 21:27, 19 April 2010 (BST) Iscariot, can I have the actual diff of your accepted draft for the Krinks page? You posted the wrong one in the case apparently. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 21:27, 19 April 2010 (BST) UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Iscariot vs Cornholioo Blah --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 17:15, 11 April 2010 (BST) UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Cornholioo vs Misanthropy Painful. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:35, 12 April 2010 (BST) How so?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:37, 12 April 2010 (BST) Corn is here because he does't know the system, mis is there because he does know the system. it's not going to end well. We don't need to negotiate about what is appropriate, we make a decision based on past cases and the evidence presented. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:40, 12 April 2010 (BST) Well, I'm probably going to go with a restraint and a band from arbies making. I'd just prefer it if everybody was on board.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:42, 12 April 2010 (BST) Ross is correct. Half the measures that have been forwarded in that case are entirely unenforceable, except by the most biased of sysops. Arbitration cannot bar anyone from participating in the administrative procedures of this wiki. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:47, 12 April 2010 (BST) The deletions and VB things are stupid, which is why I said talks. Is there really no way to bring a ban on creating arbies cases? :o --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:48, 12 April 2010 (BST) Look at it the other way. What is the source of all the cases? Is there a mechanism to somehow stop one party from being antagonised? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:52, 12 April 2010 (BST) Not really. The arbitration system is there to settle disputes, by barring him from participating there (in any capacity since you can't offer to arbitrate from a talk page) you force him to use edit wars, vandalism and other admin pages to settle his disputes. Completely undermining the whole point of the page and creating drama elsewhere on the wiki. You might look to the legal system for inspiration, certain lawyers, I'm thinking Thompson here, have been forced to have their submissions and cases countersigned by another member of the bar before being entered. Perhaps ban him from creating cases that a designated volunteer hasn't looked over and given permission on his talk page first for a month. That should solve it. Your 'all admin pages' ban is ridiculous as it prevents participation in policy debates and sysop and crat elections. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:54, 12 April 2010 (BST) I'm still going to want my pint though. 20:56, 12 April 2010 (BST) You still owe me pints (notice the plural) or one (1) Fiffy. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 21:01, 12 April 2010 (BST) Get me my Guinness and you shall have your whatever you English drink. Tennents? Bass? 21:02, 12 April 2010 (BST) How do I owe you a beer? I've got nothing to do with that arbitration. I generally drink Cafferey's, but would rather you ship Fiffy over to be honest. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 21:04, 12 April 2010 (BST) You can't ship fiffy. Business class at least. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 21:09, 12 April 2010 (BST) Provided she's here, I don't much care. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 21:11, 12 April 2010 (BST) Let's not forget in all of this that he still owes me cookies too... —Aichon— 21:07, 12 April 2010 (BST) I never intended to block him from votes, merely extended discussion where there doesn't need to be. Do you mean a specific volunteer, or a person at the time? If you mean a specified volunteer, would you volunteer?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:57, 12 April 2010 (BST) It'll have to be a specific volunteer, otherwise any windowlicker could authorise his cases for teh lulz. No I'm not volunteering, as I am involved in an ongoing arbitration with him it would be a conflict of interest to audit his cases. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 21:01, 12 April 2010 (BST) I hope you're all happy. I'm doing it now. :( --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:19, 12 April 2010 (BST) That needs a time limit putting on it. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 21:24, 12 April 2010 (BST) Sorry, forgot about that. I slapped on a one month time limit.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:32, 12 April 2010 (BST) A Favor I was wondering if you might share the source or artist of the paintings on your site? They are spectacular and remind me of the Dune novels by Frank Herbert. Thanks, Regards---Belisarius17 14:32, 31 March 2010 (BST) They're supposed to remind you of Dune, since that's what they're of. They all came from random places on the internet years ago. If you let me know which image(s) in particular I'll check my image archives and see if I can use the original file names to find out for you. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 14:36, 31 March 2010 (BST) Thank you very much, the image titled "He will not be found, yet all men will find him" is the one that stopped me cold. It reminded me of a line by T.E. Lawrence about needing the desert. It has been years since I have read those novels but the imagery stays with you. I think I will read them again. Thanks for having them up on your page and for checking on it. I appreciate it.--Belisarius17 15:13, 31 March 2010 (BST) Using Google I find that I got the image from here and it's by this artist. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 15:40, 31 March 2010 (BST) Ah! Should have googled "Arrakis" instead of "Dune"-Many thanks!--Belisarius17 18:13, 31 March 2010 (BST) I swear I got there first Having said that, I guess you aren't surprised by that. Thoughts, if I may? --         13:01, 31 March 2010 (BST) To be fair I was just going to wait another month and then change it over to yearly without asking anyone. With de-escalations also applied when someone gets escalated by a current case, de-escalations is going to see the same use as undeletions, we can always swap over to a quarterly or monthly system if there's a need. Leave this month's admin archives to me, I'm going to document every step on that page and have a complete 'How To' guide for doing it since a lot of people don't know how to do it. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 13:06, 31 March 2010 (BST) Explain Something To Me How have I become the poster child for arbitration cases? I've only actually run one. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:07, 23 March 2010 (UTC) We held a Pop Idol style contest and you won due to Simon Cowell wanting to sleep with you. That is all. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 16:43, 23 March 2010 (UTC) I knew the duet with Vanilla Ice would push me over the top.... --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 16:46, 23 March 2010 (UTC) Mis is going to start stalking you now.... -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 16:50, 23 March 2010 (UTC) Probably. Do me a favour. DS needs you.... --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:45, 23 March 2010 (UTC) Is This accurate? looks like it could do with some expansion, --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 17:00, 29 March 2010 (BST) If you're going to carve through the glossary, at least make it a project and then we can get the sysop wannabes to do the busy work while we correct their mistakes. Yeah, Stack could do with expanding. All that pro-survivor fluff needs to be exorcised and the page needs to clearly differentiate between inactivity/attack stacks and unscanned/RP stacks. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 18:08, 29 March 2010 (BST) Sounds like a plan. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:09, 29 March 2010 (BST) Iscariot, Corn has picked an arbiter. Please confirm if you wish to continue. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 14:39, 10 April 2010 (BST) Removal of piece Iscariot. You undid a removal of text by me on your group's talk page. Even though the text was written by me, i have learned that you have control over it. The issue is the following: members of my group have complained to me about the nature of the text, and i have agreed that it would be better if it was removed. I would like to ask you to remove my contribution here. --zyckde 01:56, 19 March 2010 (UTC) Not able to do so old bean. Removing your contribution would mean that the contributions of those who responded to you would be nonsensical, that would be considered impersonation on this wiki and is subject to escalation. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 02:09, 19 March 2010 (UTC) I agree with that principle. However, in this case it would be possible. The present responses in that section are about something else than my post, and they would not lose their meaning. --zyckde 02:14, 19 March 2010 (UTC) Having looked over it again I concede that your logic is flawless, however it remains our policy to retain all edits to our pages until such time as we choose to archive them. Having been through a similar debate with someone less articulate recently, it would by hypocritical of me to alter our stance for this one case. Perhaps you'd care to post a response stating why you feel your early contribution does not accurately reflect your group's position and clarify the errors of the original piece that caused the opposition from your fellows? -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 02:21, 19 March 2010 (UTC) As a small note, I'd like to point out that it was actually DDR who undid your edit, not Iscariot. —Aichon— 16:47, 19 March 2010 (UTC) Arbitration Iscariot, I just wanted to ask if you have any parcels of wisdon to impart on this matter. I am woefully inexperienced and would welcome a little help. -Devorac 20:10, 18 March 2010 (UTC) Yes. Follow the wonderful words of advice I shall now give you: Pick a competent arbitrator. Make sure he's someone without a history of antagonism against your cause and that he can demonstrate impartiality. Know your policies. Understand what can and can not be done on the wiki, don't allow someone to con you into believing something untrue. Win the case, not the big picture. Don't be drawn into minutiae. Focus on the original point of the case and argue that point from as many different angles as you need to defeat your opponent, any other arguments are a waste of time. When in doubt, go on the forum and shoot me a PM, I'll write your arguments for you if need be. To be fair I could win this game in two paragraphs, it's an easy one. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:15, 18 March 2010 (UTC) I think I can handle it fairly well, but I will definitely keep your offer in mind. -Devorac 20:19, 18 March 2010 (UTC) Regarding Suggestion I sincerely hope you don't yell at me for this, but I'm just saying... becoming bloody from shooting someone isn't karma. In the same manner that becoming bloody from being shot isn't karma. It's anything but religious, that's for sure. I already said, I wasn't trying to punish PKers for shooting people. Most of them don't seem to care. Is Kevan punishing people who get shot for dying so much? I severely doubt that. I understand that you can't change your vote and you probably wouldn't change your vote if you could, but don't make stupid excuses and assumptions so you can fire off your spam cannon. Oh yeah, by the way, something's going on with your sig, I don't know if you meant it to do that or something. Just saying. --Enigmatalk 16:00, 13 March 2010 (UTC) You said that it was an attempt to code karma in to the game in as many words on Talk:Suggestions, don't cry because we read what you've written and vote based on that. Also, my reasoning is valid, if you don't think so go contact a sysop and ask for the vote to be struck, I'll laugh greatly as you're told to fuck off. Understand I could have just written "Spam - Overpowered" and it would have been a valid vote, don't whine because I actually told you what I think of your idiot idea. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 17:03, 13 March 2010 (UTC) In the developing suggestions, sure I may have joked that the guy who shot is a bastard, but in the final one there were no such words. I treated the bloodstains in a positive way, so your reasoning doesn't mean shit-all. I'm pretty sure you're supposed to vote on the suggestion, not the talk page. And I'm not going to the sysop to strike the vote, all it'll do is put it in Undecided instead of Rejected even if it does work, I'm just trying to tell you that you were a bigot. After all, on the discussion I also explained that I wasn't bringing in karma. --Enigmatalk 01:23, 14 March 2010 (UTC) Archiving Theoretically, a bot could be set up by Rooster, or someone with similar coding skill, but I don't really mind making the edits myself. I get a chance to see current events in all of the suburbs, as well as the general state of the map. Did you know, for example, that only four suburbs in Malton are red at the moment?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 13:39, 10 March 2010 (UTC) Yes, but only because I just got an update on it on my talk page.... I'm just thinking we start the groundwork now, then if you ever get bored/leave the wiki it's easier to instantly trigger the bot. In fact it'd be better to start it while you're still covering the task, then the errors made by the bot can be caught early. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 14:03, 10 March 2010 (UTC) That makes sense. I don't know if it would be possible, but I'm no expert on bots. It would also have to deal with the issue of archives filling up, which is only just beginning to happen, as per Dulston. I dunno. I'll bring it up with Rooster.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 14:06, 10 March 2010 (UTC) Prize Big Shiny Medal Thadeous Oakley has given Iscariot a big shiny medal for making 6, correction; 8, successful vandal cases in a row . Honestly, I don't think someone has managed to do that in A/VB history. --Thadeous Oakley 17:12, 9 March 2010 (UTC) Jeez, hope that was the last now D: --Thadeous Oakley 15:22, 10 March 2010 (UTC) A FREE COOKIE Michaleson has given Iscariot a cookie for Saving his user page against vandals. --TCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 17:14, 9 March 2010 (UTC) I swear, if your count hits 12 I'm making you a template for having Vandal Radar or something. --Maverick Talk - OBR 404 07:15, 10 March 2010 (UTC) Massive Idiocy Now I've written it, I'm really struggling to update the guide to make it idiot proof. Any suggestions? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 13:17, 8 March 2010 (UTC) Let me see what I can do. I've got to write an article on Schumacher, so I'll see about giving it a pass afterwards. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 15:56, 8 March 2010 (UTC) Good old Ralf.--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 16:06, 8 March 2010 (UTC) Ralf's still upset about his butter-faced wife taking her clothes off for photos, oh and about being a useless driver hanging on to his brother's coattails. I'll see what I can do to your guide now. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 17:19, 8 March 2010 (UTC) First pass completed. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 17:47, 8 March 2010 (UTC) Incidentally, I assume you would refuse if I posted No More Heroes as a good article. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 15:38, 8 March 2010 (UTC) Nominate it all you want, but the category won't be allowed to remain in my userspace. With no way to remove the category, no re-evaluation process, as well as having no consistant standards in cycling the good articles system is flawed. I don't won't my work associating with it. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 15:56, 8 March 2010 (UTC) M&N What makes you think they are back, as it were? CITIZEN VI 23:04, 28 February 2010 (UTC) This gives me a clue ;) -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 23:07, 28 February 2010 (UTC) IWitness If you'd like to know what's working where and how ask, don't just guess. If you'd like a comparison of features on the server level down between the three ask, don't just guess. I'm sure I could provide some information you obviously don't know about this stuff and would be glad to do so if you actually care about trying to present information correctly. It would also be nice if you put as much effort into using NPOV facts and comparisons for the readers sake as you seem to in trying to undo my edits. --Karekmaps?! 12:57, 28 February 2010 (UTC) Where do I start? If you're whining about me putting back (correctly) that original images could not be viewed I'd remind you that it was hours after I put that warning back up that this wiki actually found out where to find their images, and nearly two whole months after the problem actually happened. That's almost Microsoft levels of customer service there. If you're talking about the paragraph on Swiers' system, you'll find all of that is accurate and sourced from the actual site itself. If you're talking about the list at the top weighing the pros and cons of these systems, you'll do well to remember that these were written in collaboration with RG mods and ZHU members. If you're just here to whine about losing your monopoly on a front page advert you can just fuck right off back into whatever hole you were in for the last two months while people were asking about the problems you've only just decided to fix. I have zero patience for any delusions of adequacy you harbour that mean you get preferential treatment over the other two working and improving systems. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 14:04, 28 February 2010 (UTC) New Sig I'm not sure what's up, but when I deleted File:A Cylon Forever by NovaStarX.gif, I noticed as it moved it would distort itself (hard to explain) but the image seems somewhat corrupted as a .gif. I recently noticed the same with your current sig image on DS. Have you noticed this yet/at all? I don't know what to say further, I don't have any solutions or further help but I'm just trying to give you a heads up incase you want to try and investigate it and reupload it in the future. --         11:37, 28 February 2010 (UTC) I haven't seen any difference between the two based on just looking at them. It might have been due to the amount of times it appeared on Talk:Suggestions causing slowdowns and then saving wrong in your cache. Or it might be my cache using the image on my HD. If it develops into an actual problem I'll try again, I have both versions saved. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 14:04, 28 February 2010 (UTC) Just to expand on what DDR said. Viewing the cylon image in Firefox 3.6 it looks like this. However it looks fine in Chrome and IE7. I'm not sure what this means, but there you have it ;) --GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 13:27, 31 March 2010 (BST) Odd, I'm on FF3.58 or something and it's fine. It's probably yet another fuck up with 3.6, I had it for about a day before I changed back. If it works in Chrome, earlier FF and Exploiter I'm happy. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 13:36, 31 March 2010 (BST) Yep, FF 3.6 :( --         13:48, 31 March 2010 (BST) Ahh fuck, FF updated in the last week or so and it's been fixed. Sorry for the false second alarm. --         13:49, 31 March 2010 (BST) You discovered my secret I haven't categorised a single image I've uploaded in about a year now. Clearing the 9000+ image backlog made me die a little inside. Your sig image is unprotected. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 09:36, 28 February 2010 (UTC) I saw your Witness edit. Spoilsport. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 14:04, 28 February 2010 (UTC) Apologies for the yellow box I tried to give you a feature that would allow new messages to automagically be placed at the top. It didn't work. John Ibans 02:13, 27 February 2010 (UTC) Also Shoot me an email you bloody faggot! >:| I'm only being mean 'cause you don't have one linked for me to send an email myself. :( --Big Cat 23:26, 26 February 2010 (UTC) Get on IRC some time, it's easier than me having to fuck about with my settings. Also, I've been busy, saw InMe last week and I've just got back from seeing Machine Head. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 07:20, 28 February 2010 (UTC) Comp crash otherwise I'd have already done that. I'll have it set up tomorrow then. :| Also, fuck you and your time to go see people performing musical acts. >:( --Big Cat 01:57, 2 March 2010 (UTC) Signature Out of curiosity why were all those signatures you tagged today illegal? It's probably none of my business.--MikhailKalashnikov 07:35, 21 February 2010 (UTC) You're right, it is none of your business. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 08:29, 21 February 2010 (UTC) Your signature is illegal. You have one week to conform to the Signature Policy before you are taken to A/VB. - Goribus 07:05, 21 February 2010 (UTC) Mine's been challenged twice in its current form GoBot boy. Both times its been proven legal. Yours is demonstratably illegal, you can either change it, or take the escalation. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 07:14, 21 February 2010 (UTC) You might want to look into getting glasses or perhaps getting a stronger prescription if you wear glasses. Or maybe empty your cache. After your post I changed my signature to conform to the rules, whereas yours doesn't conform to them. My signature is now 14 pixals high. Your signature is 54.24 kbs. The rule states no image size higher then 50 kbs. 54.24 kbs is 4.24 kbs over the limit. I suggest that you change your signature, or take the escalation. Oh and even though we're in the middle of a debate about rules, I felt I should compliment you on your awesome Tatooine banner. Star Wars and Babylon Five are my favorite Space Operas. - Goribus 07:35, 21 February 2010 (UTC) I have no image greater than 50kb, the criteria specifically refers to single image and has no limitations on the use of multiple images or a total sig image size. Nice try but fail. You did change your sig, but it does not conform to the rules. You have the policy proscribed one week to make changes. That is not a Tatoonie banner, go read Dune and become enlightened. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 08:29, 21 February 2010 (UTC) You're completely wrong about your signature, and you'll find out how wrong you are in a week. I'd advise that you find out before then and change it. Also, I liked that banner better when it was a Tatooine banner. It sucks now that it's a Dune banner. Dune fucking sucked, worst Space Opera ever. Why would I want to read the novel to one of the worst Space Opera movies I've ever seen? - Goribus 09:40, 21 February 2010 (UTC) Some of us are intelligent enough to actually read our Sci-Fi rather than wait for the moving picture versions. David Lynch's Dune was hideous, but bears no resemblance to the actual novel. Still, Lynch is a better director than Lucas (who stole every good idea he ever had off Kurosawa) or Bay (who likes inserting casual racism in your Go-Bots franchise). -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 02:52, 22 February 2010 (UTC) I don't need to read it to know I wouldn't like it. I haven't read Twilight and I'm certain I wouldn't like that either. Also your point about the movie having no resemblance to the novel is refuted by it's author: Though Herbert said the book's depth and symbolism seemed to intimidate many filmmakers, he was pleased with the film, saying that "They've got it. It begins as Dune does. And I hear my dialogue all the way through. There are some interpretations and liberties, but you're gonna come out knowing you've seen Dune." Herbert on Lynch's Dune movie As for your other point that Lynch is a better director then Lucas and Bay, that goes without saying. I happen to be a fan of Lynch's work excluding Dune. However he does tend to attract the snooty elitist types like yourself that take cinema far too seriously. You seem to take a lot of things way too seriously. I'm willing to bet that you've never enjoyed any kind of fiction in any kind of media unless you see it as "art", or more likely a bunch of other people see it as "art". While Lynch is a better director than Lucas, the majority of his movies aren't as entertaining as Lucas' movies. Oh and before I forget Bay's first movie was a mindless popcorn action movie, and for what it was it was passable entertainment. The sequel was a massive clusterfuck of plot holes, bad writing, bad acting, "what the fuck's going on", etc. It was written during a writers strike by amateurs and it really shows. Even with the standards for popcorn action movies it's mindless and just plain awful. In fact, it's about as bad as the Dune movie. I do find it precious that I'm getting a lecture on science fiction and entertainment from a Battlestar Galactica fanboy though. Both series were fucking atrocious. - Goribus 07:23, 22 February 2010 (UTC) You know I actually came here to quote the old "Your signature is illegal. You have one week to conform to the Signature Policy before you are taken to A/VB." It seems I was beaten to the punch. Normally I don't give a flying whoopity-do about other people's signatures, but since you're so keen on pounding other people over the head with the rulebook I'm going to jump on the bandwagon.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 12:06, 21 February 2010 (UTC) Hate to have to say this, but Iscariot's signature image is 13 pixels high. :P --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 14:19, 21 February 2010 (UTC) I have to agree with Iscariot here guys, it clearly indicates that the images cannot be more then 50kb, it doesn't specify a particular number of images that you can have there. "Signatures which contain images larger then 50kb." --    Timmah!     Talk   14:54, 21 February 2010 (UTC) Izzie, you never said what was wrong with people's signature. Even worse, you didn't even link to the signature policy. Not vandalism for everyone based on improper informing of breaking said rules. If you're going to warn people you need to be able to answer their questions of why. None of these signatures are bad-faith, therefore simple mistakes. If you can't be bothered to help people with fixing their signatures then don't bother warning them. Newb mistakes will never get an escalation the first time.--Thadeous Oakley 15:58, 21 February 2010 (UTC) Don't I remember you getting a soft warning for backseat sysoping before? Also, there are no 'rules' as you seem to imply. People are given a week to change illegal sigs after they are informed that they are illegal. There is no other duty I have to perform. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 02:52, 22 February 2010 (UTC) Nothing in my sig is illegal. Get your lies off my talk page in the future. Also, your blinking 2001 light is over 50kb (54.24kb to be precise). Way to go champ. 16:15, 21 February 2010 (UTC) Mis is right. If you right-click on the image of Iz's sig and then to properties you'll see that it is indeed 54.24kb. Ha, you got one week Iscariot. Talking about major fail.--Thadeous Oakley 16:27, 21 February 2010 (UTC) This is probably what Goribus meant, on second thought. --Thadeous Oakley 16:36, 21 February 2010 (UTC) If you go to the image page on the wiki, it's 36KB. The other KB are from the text.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 16:47, 21 February 2010 (UTC) "to know the face of god is to know madness"? That's part of the image, Yonnua. Sure the image on it's own is 36 kb, but if you decide to add text then it obviously grows in data. --Thadeous Oakley 17:59, 21 February 2010 (UTC) Yeah, but the policy doesn't include the text. it's referring to the uploaded image on the wiki. :( I think. --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 18:09, 21 February 2010 (UTC) It doesn't specify either way. Therefore I'd take it at face value - the image in the sig is over 50kb and is therefore illegal. 18:13, 21 February 2010 (UTC) Yeah, I've just checked through about 20 relevant policy discussions, none of which say anything, so it would go to the sysops to rule how they thought. As Iscariot said though, he's already been through a couple of trials for the sig, so it won't be a definite either way. Allow me to check for VB precedent.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 18:19, 21 February 2010 (UTC) No precedent.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 18:39, 21 February 2010 (UTC) I could have told you that. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 02:52, 22 February 2010 (UTC) No surprise considering how few (if any besides Iz) signature case were on A/VB. --Thadeous Oakley 18:43, 21 February 2010 (UTC) Few points of correction: His sig is from Battlestar Galactica, not 2001. It's a Cylon's eye, not HAL. The text you get when you mouseover is not part of the image. It's wiki code. You'd need several thousand characters if you wanted to have enough text to go from 36KB to 54.2KB. There's not even .1KB of text there. The uploaded image is 36KB in size. When images are resized to be smaller using wiki code, the wiki creates a new version of the file at that size. Because his image has been resized (non-optimally) for his signature by the wiki software, it ended up getting bigger. VERY odd. I'd agree with the others in saying that his sig is technically a violation because of the resizing issue. Stop arguing on the Internet. This is just pointless drama. —Aichon— 18:57, 21 February 2010 (UTC) Y'all are a bunch of faggots who need to get their shit in gear, and quit going "HURF DURF IZZY IS YELLIN' AT SOME1 ELSE BETTAR TRY TO FIND A WAY TO GET HIM IN TROUBLE!". God damn, I should not have came back last november.--Big Cat 23:17, 26 February 2010 (UTC) Grammar You're lucky, it used to be a massive link to Alim. Consider myself warned. I will change it today. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:55, 5 February 2010 (UTC) What the hell is this shit about you lot closing 404? Like a day after I've been sending people to join? Come on! What the hell am I supposed to do with all these people who don't make the cut for my group? Where else do I send them to learn about sensible play? The DEM? -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 08:37, 6 February 2010 (UTC) Well I didn't close it. In fairness 404 has had 3 members for the last few months. Perhaps the RRF? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 10:23, 6 February 2010 (UTC) I'm trying to teach them intelligent and fair play, can't send them there. I generally send them places where we know people who can vouch for them later, so MOB for the zombies, Rum for the PKers and 404 was the survivor option. Admit it, you did it just to annoy me, didn't you? ;) -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 11:09, 6 February 2010 (UTC) As Ross said, 404 members were low and there was no leadership since they moved to Scarletwood a number of months back. I didn't want the group to die indefinitely, so I made the proposal to merge with the OBR for now. Once group numbers grow some more, I plan to split the two groups again. --Maverick Talk - OBR 404 05:43, 7 February 2010 (UTC) Then go on a recruiting drive and split them off fast, I hate doing research on survivor groups, they're so vanilla.... -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 04:29, 8 February 2010 (UTC) You could always pass them over to the CS, I suppose, though there aren't many of them, last I checked. —Aichon— 05:52, 7 February 2010 (UTC) Yes, if they're not good/trustworthy enough to get into the main group, I'm going to send them to a group and give them access to the same board.... -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 04:29, 8 February 2010 (UTC) Point. —Aichon— 07:23, 8 February 2010 (UTC) My guide Hi. Forgive my slowness but I've noticed when you tallied up the votes on my "So you've decided to be a zombie" guide, you initially marked it as a featured guide then changed your mind. Don't get me wrong, I'm not having a pop at you, I'm just wondering why this is as I thought a guide needed 75% approval to be featured (which mine got). Cheers, Chief Seagull talk 15:39, 4 February 2010 (UTC) Why? Because I'm dumb. I'm going to blame tiredness on me initially marking it correct and then then failing to add up in a fundamental way. I've now altered the category and added the extra listing. Well caught. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 08:37, 6 February 2010 (UTC) You ain't the only one who's knackered mate, but that's probably something to do with me reffing a three-hour American football match followed by staying up till 3am watching the Superbowl. Anyway, thanks for that :) Chief Seagull talk 16:20, 8 February 2010 (UTC) Template Images So, um, I'm sorry about exploding the templates on DY's wiki page. You can fix it by just tossing a size limit on the images. CITIZEN VI 01:58, 2 February 2010 (UTC) OK, never mind. Someone who isn't an idiot pointed out an alternative method. Your templates are intact. Apologies. CITIZEN VI 03:38, 2 February 2010 (UTC) Your game I thought you'd just had the idea. I didn't realise you were actually developing it. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 13:28, 30 January 2010 (UTC) You know I don't speak code, so I'm doing as much as I can without the technical side. Things like flavour concepts, balance considerations like we do on the suggestions page, skill progressions that sort of thing. Now I just need my code monkey to get his arse in gear. Or a new one. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 14:55, 30 January 2010 (UTC) What? A relevent and constructive comment made over three weeks ago, discussing a relevant point, after I'd already joined said discussion earlier, and you only see fit to even bring it up, let alone moan about it, now? I actually don't know if you're being serious or not. 14:34, 27 January 2010 (UTC) I'm quite sure you meant to type 'relevant'. Three weeks ago? Well fucking excuse me for having broken internets and addressing the matter my first day back on the wiki. Simple question, did the page you edit begin with User: or User talk:? One is for the sole editing of the user in question and anyone given permission, the other is for discussion, which did you edit? Did you intentionally ignore the very obvious notice at the top of the page? Or was it an inability to read? You have the entirety of your own user space to place things you deem 'relevant' and 'constructive', in my user space however the uninvited prattlings of unwanted users are neither relevant or constructive. I have now warned you about editing invitation only projects that placed in my user space and pointed you to the very obvious warning notice that was at the top of the page when you edited it. If repeat your edits after being told that they are unwanted, I will be forced to conclude that your edits are made in bad faith to be disruptive and I will make the appropriate A/VB report. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 23:59, 27 January 2010 (UTC) I really don't care. Project's underway with its own public page, further discussion in your pissant little playpen is needless at this point. Then again, if this was anything other than a dick measuring contest, you might have actually contributed to said project with the energy you spent sulking at me. 00:06, 28 January 2010 (UTC) If it's my 'pissant little playpen', why are you so eager to jump in an add your unwanted opinions? I see you have failed to answer the very simple question as to what type of page it was that you edited, whether it was a talk page, or a user page, why am I not surprised by the omission of such a simple answer? Again you seem to be confusing words in the English language, I was informing you that your edits are unwanted, not sulking. How hard would it have been to say "I'm sorry, I won't vandalise your pages in the future" and resolve the matter that way? I'd have loved to have participated in the project, but connection difficulties meant I was away for the start and that the time where Aich and I would have made an easy and streamlined system for doing all of it, as well as a standardisation of the relevant (notice the 'a'?) host pages was therefore denied to me, maybe next time. It didn't much help when the agreed start date (agreed due to the ease of logistic concerns) was brought forward for some unknown reason. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 03:03, 28 January 2010 (UTC) I am sorry Nihao there Iscariot, I deeply apologize for my mistake done on the wiki and hope I did not bring shame to the ways humans should think before they do. I'll keep it in mind next time, thank you for reading this despite I suppose, how seemly pointless my post was. Feel free to delete this if you want after reading it. --Andrewzz 19:33, 27 January 2010 (WST) Let's Roll Some Heads! At one point or another you expressed interest in helping with the latest Great Suburb Group Massacre. The official page has been made, complete with instructions. Go get 'em! --Maverick Talk - OBR 404 08:22, 26 January 2010 (UTC) GSM2010 I'm interested in helping. You seem to be pretty much running it, so I just wanted to log my interest. Can I help?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:15, 6 January 2010 (UTC) Thanks for the revive I'd thank you in game, but there appear to be too many people in the building. (I am correct in saying that you're Damon Young, right?)--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 11:05, 24 December 2009 (UTC) That he is!-- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 12:07, 24 December 2009 (UTC) Old Praetorian Guard Page Iscariot, can I steal your WIP Prat Guard page from you? -MHSstaff 03:02, 20 December 2009 (UTC) Do what you want with it, I abandoned all development on it and all the other subgroup pages after I left the Front due to issues with the alt 'policies' of certain members. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 11:47, 20 December 2009 (UTC) SA is curious, please go on.-- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 21:10, 20 December 2009 (UTC) Likewise, as an old (and no returned) RRFer, I seem to have missed all the drama involving this and other seemingly related issues (the MOB, for example). -06:35, 21 December 2009 (UTC) No. I am not causing drama for your amusement. I've said everything I'm going to. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 09:50, 21 December 2009 (UTC) Well, it really was only to sate my curiosity, but I understand. Topic shall be dropped. Next topic is: Wanda or Isabella, which one appeals more to you?-- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 10:08, 21 December 2009 (UTC) Is that a Twilight question? -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 10:20, 21 December 2009 (UTC) There are two women in Twilight?! --         10:25, 21 December 2009 (UTC) I don't know, go ask Zoey Zarg. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 10:31, 21 December 2009 (UTC) OH GOD NO! I saw Zombie Lord call you it on DS. That, or it was Isabelle. I can't remember now. :/ -- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 10:25, 21 December 2009 (UTC) You do realise I don't read his posts? I'm thinking of proposing a new cycling criteria for Talk:Suggestions, namely that anything signed by him is immediately cycled. I could probably get the votes. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 10:31, 21 December 2009 (UTC) It would probably be easier to classify his suggestions as spam, get him to admit he has no intention of taking them to voting (which he has), ask him to stop on his talk page, get ignored/flamed, and take him to A/VB when he keeps doing it. They're non-constructive edits whose sole purpose is to cause drama and further his personal agendas. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 16:24, 21 December 2009 (UTC) I'm pretty upset that ZOMBIE LORDGRAAAAHGBALLSPENISSUGGESTIONSGRAAAGH is questioning Wanda. How did he get a following, again? -Lord Hawthorne 02:24, 22 December 2009 (UTC) Great Suburb Group Massacre 2010 I noticed the issue you mentioned re: "Groups in one suburb are organizations in another (e.g. The Spanish Inquisition in Vinetown)". Aichon made TSI an 'organisation' on the Vinetown list as we have a subsidiary there (St John's Classic Rock, SJCR), but SJCR is not active in Pegton so it was an anomaly. I've amended the listings so that TSI is listed correctly as a group in both suburbs, and have removed SJCR for the time being as it's currently inactive anyway (one DJ has idled out, and the radio studio needs power). Hope that helps.--Mallrat TSI TKS CTD 10:03, 19 December 2009 (UTC) I was actually the one that mentioned the "issue" (those seven points were comments I made). From what I saw, I didn't really make it into an organization, since I was acting on this previous edit of yours. I just corrected the formatting, as my note said. Regardless though, I'm glad that it's no longer an "issue" at all. One less thing to worry about. :D —Aichon— 10:22, 19 December 2009 (UTC) Cheers Aichon, apologies for getting your comments and Iscariot's comments mixed up. As you say there was no real issue at stake, but we enjoyed our enhanced status while it lasted... :) --Mallrat TSI TKS CTD 15:59, 19 December 2009 (UTC) I'm fully in support of you Those who died are justified.... --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 10:39, 18 December 2009 (UTC) Oh come on Ross, you missed the obvious response: "You want me to buy that? Fuck you, I won't do what you've told me..." ;) -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 11:04, 18 December 2009 (UTC) It did seems a bit rich, trying to get people to sheep buy a song about non conformity. Still I think the Cowell Hatred Tipping Point (TM) is rapidly being reached. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:30, 18 December 2009 (UTC) Hah! Fucking amazing. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:04, 20 December 2009 (UTC) There is hope yet. I can't quite believe it. It's just a shame there's no cheesy TOTP Christmas special where they'd have to air it... minus the FU's of course. Is anyone else here old enough to remember the Relax ban?--Mallrat TSI TKS CTD 20:22, 20 December 2009 (UTC) Izzy You and I agree on many things, and disagree on a lot of them as well, but please take it to heart when I ask you not to feed ZL. You've probably known him longer than I have, but it doesn't take much to see that he's just trying to get attention, negative or otherwise. The best thing that can happen to his ideas is probably for them to quickly fade in a down-the-page flow of obscurity and inattention. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 00:36, 8 December 2009 (UTC) It's fun, and I'm bored. Also, given you used the contraction of my name on the wiki, and I hate people shortening my handle, I'm disinclined to acquiese to your request. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 00:38, 8 December 2009 (UTC) I like to simplify things, and if you don't like people shortening your name, all you had to do was say something. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 00:48, 8 December 2009 (UTC) He has, just think it was on IRC. IRC MOAR NAOW-- SA 01:58, 8 December 2009 (UTC) See, that's the trouble with having a fairly long, unfamiliar sounding name that I am never quite sure where to put the inflection. Seriously, is it isCARiot or iscarIOT? Should I be pronouncing it "IsCAREiyat, IsCareiyot, IsCARIYAT?" There are many more. These questions keep me up at night. Now, if you're unsatisfied with "Izzy" to replace your profoundly mysterious and exotic username that is probably a reference to something I will never bother to google, I can help you; I've compiled a list. Possible options: Isis, "IS CAR?", (Is it a car?), Isabelle (being much classier than Izzy), Isssssssss (It's fun to be a snake, trust me), or even Caroline, because you strike me as a good caroline. Now, since you obviously are unhappy with your common nickname, and are likely going to be unhappy with my proposals, and since I don't feel like googling your name or trying to sound it out in my head, I will compromise by calling you WANDA. Who knows, maybe WANDA will finally bait Zombie Lord enough so that his self esteem finally gives out, or maybe WANDA will move on to bigger and better things to occupy (pronoun's) time. With WANDA the possibilities are endless. -Lord Hawthorne 08:52, 8 December 2009 (UTC) This owns Cyberbob  Talk  13:37, 8 December 2009 (UTC) I sure as hell couldn't have beat it. Good job my friend. Good job.-- SA 13:44, 8 December 2009 (UTC) Surely using a pronoun negates the need for an apostrophe? His sheep. Her flowers. Their time. --RahrahCome join the #party!16:14, 11 December 2009 (UTC) You are correct sir! I will leave it there to remind myself. My grammar not good. -Lord Hawthorne 03:40, 12 December 2009 (UTC) Or...you could turn up your speakers and click this link. It will provide both the"reference to something" which Iscariot got his "mysterious and exotic username" from, and it also gives you the pronunciation. In a slight English accent. Learn it well, Lord Hawthorne, so that such questions do not keep you up at night any further. Also...You must not be Christian. The name Iscariot is very...er...well known to people who love Jesus. Because he's the dude who sold Jesus out to the Romans for some silver (I'd do it too, if I were a poverty-stricken disciple. I dunno why people give the guy such a bad rap). --DTPK 03:54, 12 December 2009 (UTC) The second-to-last sentence should have merged with the previous one; as it is, it's a fragment represented as a sentence. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 04:13, 12 December 2009 (UTC) Listen to DT and ye shall be enlightened. Further enlightenment can be found by stopping listening to the behemoth of bureaucracy in claimed service to the nailed god and instead either listening to the Gnostics or reading the autobiography. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 06:18, 12 December 2009 (UTC) All other matters set aside for the moment, you'd be hard-pressed to call that an autobiography, since Judas was, well, kinda dead about 100-150+ years before it was written. I seem to recall an account of him hanging himself and his entrails spilling out over a field (named Akel Dama, for field of blood) later, though I'm guessing you wouldn't subscribe to that account. —Aichon— 08:57, 12 December 2009 (UTC) It's religion. People can live to 900 years or more when they're in a book of religion, Aichon. And if they die in the first Testament, the writers can always retcon them to be alive later. Like Star Trek, or soap-operas. --DTPK 15:50, 12 December 2009 (UTC) Y'all have no idea how Jewish I feel right now. -Lord Hawthorne 16:56, 13 December 2009 (UTC) HAVE FUN: >>http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User:Winman1/Why_zombies_have_an_advantage<< Actually it's less funny and more painful, in my opinion. -Lord Hawthorne 05:34, 6 December 2009 (UTC) My favourite part was "get off My wiki." I'm slightly disapointed I didn't leave my guide up for you to slate now. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:14, 6 December 2009 (UTC) Retard Can you please die? Prefearbly by getting crushed to death, or by getting your face cut to shreds with a pocketknife. I hope that you get curb-stomped, f ucking retard Shut the *beep* up f aggot, before you get your face bashed in and cut to ribbons, and your throat slit. -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lk7300 (talk • contribs) at an unknown time. Iscariot - 1, Dumb Colonials - 0. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:39, 3 December 2009 (UTC) What makes you think he's a colonial? -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lord T. (talk • contribs) at an unknown time. His inability to sign his posts. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 21:02, 3 December 2009 (UTC) Although their spelling is lacking, at least they used "your" correctly... --RahrahCome join the #party! 21:04, 3 December 2009 (UTC) Your opinion, if you please Hello. I've posed a question regarding the categorising of location images here. I've noticed that you're very active in that area and so I'd like to hear your opinion on the matter. Thanks!--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 01:47, 3 December 2009 (UTC) As you probably know I'm kind of toying around with the idea of making a collaborative new city (Like in my sig). I'm toying around with the idea of a suburb specifically designed to be a PK'er paradise. Any thoughts on layout, building types etc? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 18:59, 2 December 2009 (UTC) Ban You have been banned for a period 24 hours as per the reasoning of this case. Please read the ruling to understand the nature of your banning, for future reference. More vandalism will end up with more severe bans in the future. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 02:41, 29 November 2009 (UTC) Would you like another A/VB case? Clearly you do - I don't see any other reason why you might have removed my comment like that. Cyberbob  Talk  16:36, 28 November 2009 (UTC) Go for it, your comment had to be removed to avoid a A/VB case though. And I do remember you getting warned about bringing frivilous cases. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 16:39, 28 November 2009 (UTC) You think you would have had a case brought against you for removing the strike after I'd posted? You do yourself far too much credit. Cyberbob  Talk  16:41, 28 November 2009 (UTC) I'm disappointed Despite the fact that it was going to be an against, I was looking forward to your comment, because I thought you'd bring me some stuff to actually work on. Do you have any stuff you think I should do, because oddly enough, I'd like to know more in depth than "shares Conndraka's bad habits". --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:30, 23 November 2009 (UTC) Surely putting it in my bid would be more about appearances.Anyway, it's on the page now, so if (which I highly doubt) I do get promoted, then I can be held to it.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:50, 23 November 2009 (UTC) I see what you did there... I have it saved in a .txt >:) -- SA 00:42, 21 November 2009 (UTC) I smell imminent censorship, I hate censorship. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 00:51, 21 November 2009 (UTC) Go get promoted. xoxo 09:26, 22 November 2009 (UTC) Humph!-- SA 01:52, 21 November 2009 (UTC) Group listing I swear they shouldn't be listed as historical if they haven't passed voting?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 16:47, 20 November 2009 (UTC) I just checked the Historical group page, and it confirms that they go on to the listing after passing the community vote.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 16:50, 20 November 2009 (UTC) Historical does not equal historic. For years historic groups have been listed on suburb pages without trouble or needing historical status. You think someone requesting promotion might take the time to understand the history of the community and its precedents. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 17:03, 20 November 2009 (UTC) Aren't you opening the floodgates there? What stops countless trenchcoater or other groups from spamming the historic group suburb section? --Thadeous Oakley 17:05, 20 November 2009 (UTC) I had nothing to do with opening the floodgates, I'm just stopping someone pick on a group he doesn't like. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 17:07, 20 November 2009 (UTC) I'm completely indifferent to the group. The facts of the matter are that they shouldn't be able to enter a category without vote, especially since they weren't even present in the suburb when they were active.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 17:12, 20 November 2009 (UTC) I have some serious doubts about your story, Iscariot. To my knowledge, you need to be pass historical vote first. Second opinion plz. --Thadeous Oakley 17:39, 20 November 2009 (UTC) If this is what I think this might be about, listing groups as historic on the suburb pages is an entirely different process to getting voted as a "historical group". Suburb listings reflect the groups who were locally historic in small ways, but who didn't make a big impact on the game as a whole. The category "historical groups", and the subsequent voting process, are for those who made a game-wide impact. For example, DHPD, if their time comes, might not make the vote as they're very regional and limited in scope, but will assuredly be listed under their home suburb for the work they do there. So now you know, half the battle, blah-dee-blah. Also, ninja-ed by Rooster, who appears to be disproving my point. Am I wrong? I could be wrong. 17:49, 20 November 2009 (UTC) TA-DAH!!! Mis has the correct! Groups that have been important to suburbs, but would not pass historical voting due to their lack on impact on the game in general have always been allowed to be entered in that section to commemorate their history in the area. Now if some people want to change that, I'm happy with that.... BB2 went through fifty-three suburbs, they best get started.... -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 18:01, 20 November 2009 (UTC) The sidebar is intended for groups who have passed voting, mismatches in the terms can be considered an error in my part in the template's creation (though personally, I consider historic to mean of importance in history, and historical to mean just any history, although I think dictionaries tend to agree they're interchangable) but the intention if definitely for groups who've passed voting. Change the wording to historical if it irks you. --  RoosterDragon  17:46, 20 November 2009 (UTC) As rooster. look at Kempsterbank The intro mentions pretty much every group thats had an influence on the area. There is no need for detelux to be in the sidebar. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 17:52, 20 November 2009 (UTC) As these two fine gentlemen above me, also the fact that the group that I removed was not locally historical anyway, so even by your definition, it shouldn't be there. I'm removing it again.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 18:30, 20 November 2009 (UTC) *Shudders* I will offer to represent TZH. I have a Philosophe Knight and a death cultist and could win this case entirely in TZH's favour in five minutes. You don't really want to do that, do you? D: --Janus talk 23:38, 19 November 2009 (UTC) Yes. I'm not saying I like them, I don't, I think they're idiotic zergers without any class or taste. However this isn't Brainstock, Barhah or my own personal site where they can be banned on sight, this is the only official resource this game has and they deserve the same rights as every other group that appears in this wiki. I'm not going to allow them to be done over due to a majority dislike of them and their own naivety about the rules. It's that kind of double standard that's got the wiki into such a fucked up state going way back to the survivor dominance of this place from its inception. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 23:42, 19 November 2009 (UTC) Fair enough. :P Disambiguations are evil! Please defeat them? --Janus talk 21:52, 20 November 2009 (UTC) You can go in and kill that one all by yourself if you want, however since I won't let anyone alter the Culture Tour I might be the single force to keep some disambigs in play until the end of time :P -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 23:07, 20 November 2009 (UTC) All my work will be useless then.. :'( Oh, I also stumbled upon this. I feel nostalgic. Maybe. --Janus talk 23:59, 20 November 2009 (UTC) Tee hee!-- SA 00:40, 21 November 2009 (UTC) Image Iscariot, my watch list said that you edited the Nov1609.jpg that I uploaded today. Just checking to see if everything was alright and I did anything wrong.--Zaphord 06:34, 17 November 2009 (UTC) Nothing wrong, we just like to categorise the images as they are uploaded. It is convenient if users categorise them themselves but it's such a rarity we don't really mind. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 08:52, 17 November 2009 (UTC) It's amazing how people speak for me on my talk page.... -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 23:49, 17 November 2009 (UTC) We all know that letting you speak for yourself just gets you into trouble =D --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 01:21, 18 November 2009 (UTC) Haha! Right, thanks. I'll be sure to catergorise my future uploads--Zaphord 01:25, 18 November 2009 (UTC) You catagorized my image before I could. :( -- SA 21:24, 20 November 2009 (UTC) Arbitration It's been 2 weeks since anything substantial has happen on that "case". Maybe it's time to accept that there is a slight yet tiny possibility that you were, well how should I put it, wrong. Time for withdrawal and archival, mmkay? --Thadeous Oakley 18:25, 14 November 2009 (UTC) shakes head --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 09:22, 17 November 2009 (UTC)- Nope, still continuing the case and disputing both your rulings. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 23:49, 17 November 2009 (UTC) Hey, you. Yeah, you Psst. I got a little bored and fixed your image with the new-style (Post 8th-Edition) frame, and templating fixes for the rules text. I do believe that qualifies for an owed pint, you rascal. 05:16, 13 November 2009 (UTC) Go blame Anime, he did it, the only proper CCG I played seriously was B5, because it was awesome. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 09:45, 13 November 2009 (UTC) Apologies Well I'm sorry I stood up to a rude editor here. Fine, feel free to delete my suggestion. He insulted me outright, I retorted calmly. If the only way to win a dispute here is by silencing the opposition, then so be it. I'm sorry I tried to get involved.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by RaidenMachina (talk • contribs) at an unknown time. You acted inappropriately and rudely to rightful criticism, you were anything but calm. I also doubt that you are a paramedic as you claim, as my experience with people who actually save lives teaches that people like that don't go around invoking their status to passively aggressively belittle those they disagree with. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 08:09, 12 November 2009 (UTC) I felt that I was defending myself, but if you feel different, than I can only accept that. And I actually am a paramedic, well rookie but I still get to do stuff. The only reason I mentioned it is because I don't appreciate people who talk down to others over an editing flaw. But no loss, I know what I know and that is all that matters. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RaidenMachina (talk • contribs) at an unknown time. One of my bestest friends is a paramedic. He's a lot calmer than you.-- SA 15:27, 12 November 2009 (UTC) Irony No, I couldn't think of anything to write there. Your comment is now protected for all time. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 15:43, 11 November 2009 (UTC) The sig fixing Thanks for your help Iscariot, it looks much better now (and works too!) One day I'll get the hang of this Wiki business...   URGGGGGGGHTalk PSYCHOUTTalk STAN SATANTalk 14:37, 11 November 2009 (UTC) You're on fire tonight! Well done, really. Sometimes, I have to say, i don't like you, but your mastery of comebacks on the suggestion system is simply brilliant. Wonderful. :D --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:12, 8 November 2009 (UTC) And just to make sure you don't let your head get too big, I'll throw this here. ;) "I invite you to explain why you are obeying these rules constitutes a difference with Cheese's rules explains the difference between what you're saying and precedence's example. -- . 04:00, 22 May 2009 (BST)" "I don't think that's even in English to be honest. =/ -- Cheese 17:24, 22 May 2009 (BST)" :D -- SA 01:22, 11 November 2009 (UTC) Tonight it's mead, and I'm not doing badly. That night it was Caffery's or Hobgoblin.... and I gained the linguistical abilities of Hagnat.... -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 01:23, 11 November 2009 (UTC) Except that I can usually decipher what hag's is sayin'. Also, you ever think that maybe you'd stop getting so many edit conflicts if you'd stop postan' as fast? :/ -- SA 02:08, 11 November 2009 (UTC) It's only when I'm taking the time to think up a reasonable response that it happens. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 02:10, 11 November 2009 (UTC) Historical Groups/Events Read your short treatise on the subject and I agree that some of these nominations are creating absolutely ridiculous amounts of drama. I think that getting rid of the Historical Group category is a good idea, but by the same token there should be some method of determining whether or not a groups page(s) should be on the wiki forever. Otherwise, we could end up with a number of group pages for groups that only lasted a month or two and disbanded; nobody will ever use them again or likely even visit them, so why keep them? What about changing the policy for nominations instead? Currently it stands at only two months after a group disbands (or after an event). Why not re-write the policy to account for a longer period of time, say six months or even a year? I would argue that if after that longer period of time people still even remember the event or group in question, it might be worth a nomination. Just my thoughts. --Maverick Talk - OBR 404 07:47, 5 November 2009 (UTC) I'm only responding to one of these once. If I wanted your opinion (read: you had half a clue about the policies of this wiki) you'd have been invited to participate. It doesn't mean you should come to my talk page and fill it up with crap about every thought that passed through your head. We already keep group pages permanently on this wiki, even if they were only around a couple of months (see: ZEMA). You can't alter a policy towards nominations, because there isn't one currently. BB2 had 90-ish members when they got the nod the day we disbanded it, The Dead had well over a hundred and are still active. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 10:11, 5 November 2009 (UTC) This policy actually has nothing to do with Historical groups. It's all about gaming the system to prevent any hard-working janitors from beign able to clean up orphaned group pages. I'm sure there are other malicious clauses in there, but I only just woke up.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 07:51, 5 November 2009 (UTC) Cleaning up orphans on wikis is done by linking them to places so they are no longer orphaned. Clue's in the title there chet. Failing to assume good faith? Instant disqualification from sysop candidacy, filing this one. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 10:11, 5 November 2009 (UTC) What? How? Honestly? --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 11:37, 5 November 2009 (UTC) whatisthisidonteven...Seriously? Malicious? It's less' malicious than deleting someone's group page!-- SA 13:45, 5 November 2009 (UTC) Oh yeah. I was pretty asleep when I said that, but I think I meant that the entire point was to prevent the kind of groups that had been deleted before when Ross was cleaning them up. E.g. The borehamwood brotherhood, a blank page with an unfilled group template on it.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 15:34, 5 November 2009 (UTC) Oh, yeah, you were 'asleep' when you accused another user of pure bad faith.... That's why I'll be doing everything I can to stop you getting promoted, you could get someone perma-banned pulling shit like that. Conndraka used to do exactly the same thing, speak authoritatively on a subject and then later, maybe, if called on it go and understand it. You're no different. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 01:48, 6 November 2009 (UTC) And only one member the meta had ever heard of. Who's a zombie. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 15:59, 5 November 2009 (UTC) Historical voting is the perfect example of why not everything on this wiki is a vote. It's not like you can say, "This is almost historic, try again in 2 months." I've been on the receiving end of a frankly ridiculous historical vote, and frankly despair at l33t newbs going "WHO?". Frankly it would be a lot easier if we just got a few people who have played the game since the beginning to decide. Nowadays there are only a handful of groups who can genuinely claim they "changed the game". Survivors are more fractured then ever, and the large zombie groups are the easy route for new zombies. Any groups formed this year people think are even close? Clubbed to death? Dead bunnies? Any survivor group? Meh. As I'm here, I've been reading the combat revive page. Think it needs a bit of a rewrite. Whats your opinion Iscariot? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 15:59, 5 November 2009 (UTC) Question is, who would you put on this committee? I haven't been here since 2005, neither have you. Hagnat? He called Sponge a cheat and unclassy for death culting and reporting survivor numbers at the beginning of MT09, when Sponge was doing what I (the guy that wrote the fucking rules for the event) asked him to. The newbies think everything they do is historical, the throwbacks think new playstyles like death culting are wrong and won't even consider them, who do we pick? And as this is the wiki there's the notion of limitation of authority, could a sysop override the committee for a popular choice under the 'ignore shit when it suits them' clause? Could they refuse to add the category (or remove it) on pages they disagree with? Feel free to jump onto PD3 and add your opinions Ross. Combat revive does need an overhaul, badly. So do a lot of older 'glossary' style pages. I was thinking of doing the death cultist one a while back, but then remembered that all I do is 'troll this place' and add 'malicious clauses' where ever I go.... -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 01:48, 6 November 2009 (UTC) I've just got to work, but I'll chime in later today. A lot of the glossary pages need a complete rewrite. Ive been toying around with a major revamp of the zombie skills pages as well. Must finish that. Ransack doesn't even mention Decay. And that's been an update for what years? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 08:26, 6 November 2009 (UTC) Spending time on the wiki whilst at work? You dedicated and loyal employee you. Decay? Been around for about a year and a half now hasn't it? It appeared during the Culture Tour and that was January to October 2008. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 09:53, 6 November 2009 (UTC) Committee featuring players from all years, for a wider spectrum? And frankly, Iscariot, that clause I outline WAS an aggressive attempt at stopping the kind of thing that had been happenign before, and you've not actually said anythign in defence of why it contributes to the PD.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 07:45, 6 November 2009 (UTC) I don't have to say anything in defence of anything. This isn't A/PD, this is my talk page. End of discussion. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 07:59, 6 November 2009 (UTC) An apology Hey Iscariot. I just wanted to say I'm sorry for the way I went after you on the A/VB discussion. I left a proper apology there, but it's worth mentioning it on your page as well. Especially when on my talk page I told you not to be insulting and belittling. That's pretty hypocritical of me. Anyways, there you have it. For the record I'm still upset with the way you treated Dawgjz, but I shouldn't have made my point by being a jackass. --GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 12:50, 4 November 2009 (UTC) It's the internet, I take flames for fun, it's always better to be honest with people than not. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 01:48, 6 November 2009 (UTC) About the comments regarding humor Thanks for your input; I have seen the Columbine Kids page. I feel it is an unfortunate choice but to be fair, humor is often dark and full of edges. Creating that page is not a choice I would have made, but people have a right to express themselves as they see fit. That is also why I did not edit the Burn Towers site after another user pointed out that it was within my rights to do so if I saw fit(I am a humble newbie and misunderstood the rules...apparently English is my first AND second language). If I find something as vulgar, crass, boorish or even repugnant, that is my opinion and I think it is OK to tell someone that is how I feel about it. Would'nt you do the same for any friend who made a joke that was offending people? Of course, real sarcasm is best left to professionals. They usually are saying shocking things because they want things to get better-much like that raging Gryphon gent on your page. What do you think? Thanks for the comment--Belisarius17 20:35, 28 October 2009 (UTC) Fair enough I was just informing you so that you could if you wanted to. You know, instead of getting more problems involved in your Vandal data.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:00, 28 October 2009 (UTC) His edits are the problem, undoing them would allow anyone with even a modicum of VD knowledge mixed with knowing the history being able to correctly ascertain my current record. However he won't do it, says a lot about his character and integrity. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 00:11, 28 October 2009 (UTC) I think that the only reason he isn't doing it is because he doesn't really understand why there's a problem with it. And neither does anyone else really. O.o It was a pretty confusing situation. What's your problem with the current notation on VD?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:14, 28 October 2009 (UTC) Let's not even get into the 'notation' which is completely false and irrelevant and there only to cover things up, the entire thing is incorrect in its entirety. Simple question, how is it an unreasonable request to undo his edits until the correct version is discovered? I am the only one who could be harmed by doing that and I'm the one requesting it. No, he can't come up with a reasonable answer either. For anyone else this would have been done in a heartbeat with the minimum of fuss, I've asked on three fucking pages and got nothing but being ignored. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 00:19, 28 October 2009 (UTC) Hmm. Well, if it IS only harming you by reverting the edit, which I can see it definately is, then there shouldn't really be a problem. I guess the way he's thinking is that there's no point putting it back how it was before, because both are wrong, and there isn't really any formal investigation going in to it. I assume he decided to go with the more leniant option of the two then, as opposed to giving you something which was both wrong and bad. It's a tricky situation. I'll talk to him, and see if he'd be willing to revert the edit.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:27, 28 October 2009 (UTC) His isn't the more lenient version in any way, it serves to obsfucate the issue and is blatantly hypocritical, and he knows it. Good luck trying to talk to him, prepare to be stonewalled. Or he'll fall into the argument of "Prove beyond all doubt what the correct version is", odd how he didn't have to do the same before he made his edits isn't it? It won't get changed, ever, he'd have to admit he'd wrong and his little world would fall apart if he did. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 00:34, 28 October 2009 (UTC) Well, I'll go in with an open mind, hear what he has to say, and hopefully we'll be able to find some mutual ground where everyone's happy. Preferably the actual correct data, which no-one seems to know. I might take a look at it tomorrow, and see if I can work it out.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:36, 28 October 2009 (UTC) You clearly have no desire to resolve conflicts on the wiki. I'm not going to try to mediate the discussion anymore. If you wanted any hope of that edit being reverted, you shouldn't have gone in and been aggressive. I hope you enjoy your outcome.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 11:49, 29 October 2009 (UTC) You have neither the desire or the ability to resolve conflicts on this wiki. You kicked off this drama swarm with your idiotic backseat modding regarding messing about with other people's A/VD history. As stated on A/VB it is the user's responsibility to track their record, the user's, not your responsibility. If you had even a modicum of awareness regarding this wiki you'd have known what would happen, so you're either deliberately causing the drama or you have no idea of the history of this community. Either makes you a very poor candidate for promotion. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 19:34, 1 November 2009 (UTC) Now I've seen mention of this subject a few times, and I really doubt I have the story straight. Can you explain what exactly happened? I'm willing to look into the situation if I you can tell me the whole story in a non-massive wall of text.-- SA 14:44, 29 October 2009 (UTC) Links and relevant stuffs too plox.-- SA 15:02, 29 October 2009 (UTC) Let's see if DDR can back up his grand gestures with a binding agreement first. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 19:34, 1 November 2009 (UTC) Fair enough, I'll leave the situation alone then. though if you want me to look into it, just drop me a line you know? Until then, no need for me to bother with it right? And about your policy page, I didn't think you'd mind for a typo correction. From this case, I thought you really just had a problem with people giving input and talking about the policy in general. I'm sorry. I think there was a typo at towards the bottom of the page too. :) -- SA 00:18, 3 November 2009 (UTC) Edit conflicts Weird no? I'm waiting for your DS comment. I feel it will be epic. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:52, 26 October 2009 (UTC) On what? I already commented on that unlimited play suggestion. And I was referring to the other one about the edit conflicts :P -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:56, 26 October 2009 (UTC) So you have. I was suprised at the lack of Rage --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:58, 26 October 2009 (UTC) I was saving it up for the dump suggestion, where I was asked a question by him.... and he promptly edit conflicted me when I tried to reply. You just can't help some people. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 21:01, 26 October 2009 (UTC) Apologies for not being psychic, O great one. --Bob Boberton TF / DW 21:03, 26 October 2009 (BST) If only your punctuation had been correct, that would have gone on a wall of rightness, if I ever made one. Also, Ross, you're active, activeness is rewarded with buttons. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 21:04, 26 October 2009 (UTC) Sorry, one of those conflicts was mine, though I didn't realize it until I saw the comment on your edit. I suppose we all had some opinions we wanted to share with regards to that particular subject. I felt as if I was running into conflicts left and right. —Aichon— 00:13, 27 October 2009 (UTC) The edit Best not to re-revert it, the page is now linked elsewhere, and they have discretion about what's on their talk page.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:16, 25 October 2009 (UTC) "I best"? Really? Perhaps telling someone who has had people escalated for removing posts from talk pages they don't own (as you have done) is not best. How about you learn about editing privileges, especially given your aspirations of being a sysop, before telling me about history and precedent. After all, saying that Mall Tour 2007 participated in the Second Big Bash's final destruction of Dulston clearly proves you fail basic history. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 00:08, 26 October 2009 (UTC) Firstly, I mean "It would be best" not "You'd best". Sorry for that misunderstanding. Anyway, it would be better to remove a comment to conform with the page owners wishes than to repeatedly add it for... what reason again? To keep it off of a list which it's no longer on? Frankly, Iscariot, threatening to take me to A/VB, or somehow endanger my efforts to become a sysop doesn't worry me. If sorting out this wiki the way it should be prevents me from being a sysop, then I guess I wouldn't care to be one. However, the fact that what I did was in the best interests of the group makes it perfectly acceptable. And I wasn't the oen who removed the comment, I just stopped you from putting it back. And frankly, I feel I know slightly more about what's happening in Dulston than you, seeing how I've been there for several years, and you've been there once, fleetingly.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 16:02, 26 October 2009 (UTC) Arking Saving this: from deletion for Talk:Suggestions. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 18:13, 20 October 2009 (BST) This: and this for evidence on A/P. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 15:25, 26 October 2009 (UTC) Dulston I asssume the "Group of ferals" that you're referring to is the mass of 200+ members of the dead, Mall tour and the Big Bash 2? If not, then I really have no idea what attack on dulston you're talking about, because that was the most recent.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 18:11, 18 October 2009 (BST) Wow, believing your own propaganda now? BB2 wrecked the suburb to close in April or May of 2008, are you perhaps trying to say Mall Tour 2007 that had been over for more than six months had come back into existence just for you? Awww, did The Dead attack you? Poor baby, odd how every other suburb has managed to get back on its feet in the year since except for Dulston. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 15:52, 20 October 2009 (BST) Hi DDR bugged me to come back here because there's only like 3 active sysops and shit like that. Whatever. I didn't plan on coming back now, if ever, but anyway. I'd like to apologize for some of my behavior right before you left, and while it's no excuse, I was just having life problems in general and I took a lot of my anger out on you when I didn't need to or really have a right to. So I'm sorry. I'm not exactly looking for forgiveness, as I think that you're probably still seething with hatred towards me, but I wanted to say I'm sorry anyway and hopefully cut down on the clashes we may have in the future. Glad you removed the no-sysops rule here though, don't know where I'd have stuck this otherwise. If you want to delete it like the old days, I can understand that too. :) Anyway, sorry for my simple-folk-colonial grammar, see ya'll later.-- SA 13:57, 18 October 2009 (BST) For the record I bugged him to come back before we were short on ops, it just so happens he's even more welcome now. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 14:07, 18 October 2009 (BST) Horse shit, you told me about a half hour to come back you fucker. >: ( -- SA 14:13, 18 October 2009 (BST) You ass, what about all those spam myspace messages over the space of the past 2 1/2 months? --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 14:36, 18 October 2009 (BST) IF you actually read the fucking page I have every once in awhile you'd know I don't really use the damn thing anymore. I only caught that last comment because I was killing time before work. :/ Also, woah. Where did this job page come from? >< -- SA 15:00, 18 October 2009 (BST) Dude. I only ever spammed you WHEN you made a message or posted a bulletin on there :/ Got any more below-average excuses? --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 00:07, 19 October 2009 (BST) Iscariot prevented me from coming back because he foresaw the amount of shit you're causing me to write here?-- SA 07:19, 19 October 2009 (BST) Unfortunately the little exchange on The General's talk page proves that nothing has in fact changed. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 15:52, 20 October 2009 (BST) Active Come tomorrow, It'll be scaled back. I'm throwing up some lexicon stuff but that'll be it. As for the red link user? Of course he hasn't played both sides. I doubt he's even played one side properly. Maybe I can recommend Quarantine 2019 to him. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:51, 17 October 2009 (BST) I shall be watching, if I even see the hint of real activity you will be getting the nomination. It was my sarcastic voice about the idiot. Don't recommend that other game, or link it, the less coverage those whining cry babies get, the better. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:53, 17 October 2009 (BST) Deal, not even shintolin? Sometimes Iscariot, you're my favourite "Bad Cop" --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:56, 17 October 2009 (BST) You can do what you want in Shintolin, it's fast starting to bore me, also the various 'blocs' on the forum are soon going to start forcing idiot changes through and it'll become like 2019 in my opinion. It's been a nice demonstration on some ideas I had planned, but ultimately I don't think it had a planned path from the beginning and now it's suffering for it and is going to decay accordingly. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 21:01, 17 October 2009 (BST) I think its going to go through cycles of boredom. then lots of new features, followed by boredom. I can't believe no-ones razed Arboros to the ground yet. Did I mention boredom. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 21:04, 17 October 2009 (BST) It's got no hook, in UD it's the apocalypse and subsequently horde/event attacks, in NW it was the point of ascension or descension and the funky new toys it brought. There's no mechanic that one settlement can force collectively a technology shift independent of the others, I'm stickpiling XP on characters incase it gets good, but I don't think it can with it being incredibly inconsistent. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 21:07, 17 October 2009 (BST) Hey Moved your comment on J3ds talk so that it actually went after DDR's. Just so you know. Revert it if you want to, or whatever.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 07:44, 13 October 2009 (BST) Looks like I got lost in the maze of text. Cheers for that. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 09:34, 13 October 2009 (BST) Not a problem.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 15:58, 13 October 2009 (BST) Erm Why did you remove Karek as well as Pestolence from the arbitrator list? Pestolence hasn't made an edit since June so that's justified but Karek's last edit was on the 19th. Did he ask for it or something? Cyberbob  Talk  08:06, 27 September 2009 (BST) I'll be waiting for my apology.... -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 08:12, 27 September 2009 (BST) You will get your apology when you explain two things: what the apology is for, and why you removed Karek from the list. Cyberbob  Talk  09:17, 27 September 2009 (BST) Click this link. Now use this wonderful power I expect you to have called reading, spot Karek and then apologise. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 09:44, 27 September 2009 (BST) I've decided that you don't deserve an apology. If apologies mean so much to you perhaps next time you could be a bit more gracious in your responses. Cyberbob  Talk  09:49, 27 September 2009 (BST) Just so everyone reading this is aware, I was performing routine maintenance as proscribed by the wiki job list and completed it as stated in the guidelines. Cyberbob came here and accused me of removing a user incorrectly when anyone who clicked the page in question could see that his accusation was false. Despite being categorically proven wrong no apology was offered and instead a blatant personal attack was launched even though Cyberbob was at fault throughout. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 09:59, 27 September 2009 (BST) I prefered it when this page was a haven against sysops...what happened to that rule? --xoxo 06:40, 8 October 2009 (BST) Unlike certain sysops I am making an effort to be reasonable on this wiki. One only has to look at Cyberbob's conduct here and Boxy's doctoring of my A/VD data to see that this is apparent. You'll notice that if you or I added sections of nonsense or sections deliberately large as to obscrure the responses of others on a policy page, we'd be taken to A/VB and escalated. I find it strange that the same doesn't seem to apply to sysops and their pets. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 06:56, 8 October 2009 (BST) Sysops You have said repeatedly recently that you'd like to see new sysops promoted to cover the slack. Recently, I've considered running, and I consulted the current sysops prior to your return about it. They said that I needed to become more present in drama-nests such as a/vb and a/m, which I have tried to do since, although have not yet completely achieved. In your opinion, if I were to continue to work on these goals, would you support me in a sysop bid?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 19:08, 25 September 2009 (BST) It is not entirely to do with presence in these arenas, nor the quantity of contributions but the quality of those contributions. Awareness of precedent and abandonment of ego as regards these arenas. Conndraka and Cyberbob are bad sysops by this criteria, both exercise the power of the sysop as if it's some elite and divine right, and both cause more drama and discord in the community as a result. However, not causing drama by non-participation also makes you a bad sysop, see The Rooster in the recent Nubis drama, it would have been in the community's best interest to have full participation from the admin team, yet apparently it's beneath The Rooster even though he was active elsewhere (targeting me whilst still doing fuck all about a major group doing the same), such traits also make a bad sysop. The important thing to consider is why you want to be a sysop and what you will do when promoted, these are just as important as procedural and policy knowledge. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 04:53, 26 September 2009 (BST) I want to be a sysop so that I can help out on the admin pages, instead of just turning up and reading them, or occassionally posting a semi-relevant comment on the talk. Being a sysop, I'd be able to actually do something about things. I'm certainly aware that i've been trollish in the past, and I feel I've made steps towards fixing this more recently.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 09:50, 26 September 2009 (BST) Theoretical ruling time. Say you're a sysop, provide a ruling and explanation for it for the following cases; 1 and 2 will do for starters. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 10:40, 26 September 2009 (BST) On the SA case, I'd say borderline Misconduct. I didn't read the whole thing, but from the beginning section, he opened the door to misconduct by using his sysop status as a badge. Furthermore, that precedent against Hagnat that Cheese linked to is fairly clear. I'll read the other one briefly, then I'll read over them again to check if I stand by my decisions.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 10:46, 26 September 2009 (BST) I'd also say misconduct on the Boxy case. He used his powers to remove groups which, at the time they were added, were deemed historical. They should be evaluated by the process that stood at the time, not the present one. That would be like holding re-evaluations for sysops who had held the position but were no longer sysops anymore, like Odd Starter. It would be ridiculous.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 10:52, 26 September 2009 (BST) And based on this I won't be vouching for you. Conndraka used to pull the same behaviour, rule on something and then maybe, possibly read and understand the circumstances later. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 10:54, 26 September 2009 (BST) If this were an actual case, I would have read it. Since it's just you finding my general opinion, I gave a general opinion. As I'm havign two conversations at once, i thought it would be best to give a swift response, and a more evaluated one later. In the case of an actual a/m case, I'd have several days to make a ruling, not five minutes.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 10:59, 26 September 2009 (BST) Major Polish I'm a bit too close to this to really see the glaring logical areas, want to lead me through them, much like a confused and drunken child? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:05, 20 September 2009 (BST) Logical errors wise, I see two major ones: "More importantly no zombie or hostile groups are listed. " followed by "Get a rivalry going" The notion that the wiki is accurate when it comes to group placement and effectiveness. I guarantee that the DEM are still listed in at least 10 suburbs they don't have anyone in. The big problem though is it's lack of style, there's nothing there, no character. Grim's guide and my rantings work because of their unadulterated loathing for people who do differently, and people have a platform then to engage it from, this guide has no soul, with no soul there's nothing to make a connection to a newbie searching this vast resource for help. It becomes forgettable. I can see what you're saying because I've been playing for years, your facts are sound, I know this, you know this, but without any explanation as to why it becomes just as valid as Brainguard's Fort strategy to newbies. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 19:59, 20 September 2009 (BST) Frankly thats two good points. The DEM aren't as bad as they were, and when I challenged the MFD, (By far the worst offender) I did manage to take them off 20 or so suburbs. I'll change both those points. As for style, you're right. Lookng back it shows that I wrote it in 3 big chunks and It doesn't flow. I'm just wondering If its possible to inject character in a way other than anger? As I'm here which 80's programme are you referencing with your sig? The one with the remake or the one with the hoff? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:52, 20 September 2009 (BST) Style's a funny thing. NMH worked as it was written in one sitting as an outpouring at the banality of that SOS page, HTABRG (sig link) was written over several months and is more vanilla, think about how you want your guide to approach the user and from that dictate the tone and language of the piece. I style most of my stuff after The Prophet Hicks or 2, generally because that's how I write and argue in general, it doesn't mean aggression is the only method of structuring a guide. Find another work, whether guide, novel or even a review that you want your guide to be like and then from there see how it could be done in a vanilla manner, an aggressive manner etc. From there you should be able to isolate what you like about it and apply it. I still think you need to increasing its size through explanations to qualify your remarks, I think it will end up three times bigger if done right. As for the TV show, I like the millennial remake: I like my toasters with blonde hair and legs that go all the way up.... The quote in the mouse-over text is from Leoben. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 21:07, 20 September 2009 (BST) The Demon of Razgriz Is this a character? If so, do you know who's user namespace it should be under? --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 09:02, 16 September 2009 (BST) Yeah, it's a character, I'll go on the forum later and find the owner for you. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 13:09, 16 September 2009 (BST) PD Invite me you bum so I have somewhere to stick this comment that's sitting in my clipboard. Cyberbob  Talk  18:13, 15 September 2009 (BST) Signature Your signature must have at leased one character linking to your userpage. Users have been made to change their signatures before if the signature is nothing but redirect-images. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 04:38, 15 September 2009 (BST) So, are you going to change your signature to comply with the sig policy any time soon? The handle portion of your signature must link to your user page or one its subpages, image can link elsewhere. It's not obvious to newbies that the image is what they need to click on to find your userpage via a redirect. Signatures are there to make it easy for people to know who made a post, and to find their userpage to contact them -- boxy talk • teh rulz 03:04 27 September 2009 (BST) Please do not add links to my user talk page. As you may not be aware, my signature is legal and was accordingly deemed so by the user who questioned it above. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 06:09, 27 September 2009 (BST) The link is to avoid your stupid set up here, where I have to edit the whole page, and find where I need to edit in a wall of text instead of being able to edit only the section I want to reply to. Any valid reason why you are making it difficult for people to use this page for it's intended purpose? Your signature isn't legal, you've been asked nicely to fix it, and haven't. The handle portion of a signature is a text link to your user page (or a sub-page thereof). Please modify it now -- boxy talk • teh rulz 06:32 27 September 2009 (BST) I dislike such links and have asked you nicely not to use them already. Do not place another one on my page. Please revisit your supposed timeline of events, the legality of my signature was questioned by a now current 'crat, the signature was altered and then deemed legal. If you are of the mistaken belief that my current signature is illegal I invite you to point directly as to which portion is illegal and why by quoting the appropriate section of the Signature Policy and then allow me the week am I permitted to select and code a new signature as allowed by policy. Although I am wondering, as are others no doubt, as to why my signature gets so much coverage when a member of the sysop team has had an illegal signature for months and not one of you have thought to bring that up. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 06:39, 27 September 2009 (BST) Adding a single full stop is not a suitable fix for this problem, as you well know, the handle portion of your sig needs to be obvious, not hidden away -- boxy talk • teh rulz 09:40 27 September 2009 (BST) I'm waiting for the policy quote and the appropriate week, please supply the appropriate quote, as your current argument is provably incorrect due to basic precedent. Either my sig is legal, or other sigs by multiple users including sysops have been conveniently overlooked by you in the past. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 09:44, 27 September 2009 (BST) You've had your week. Do it, and do it now. If you have issues with other people's sigs, bring them up, don't just expect me to know what you're talking about -- boxy talk • teh rulz 09:50 27 September 2009 (BST) I have not had a week at all, yet again I remind you that the last time the legality of my sig was brought into question and that notice was created, it was resolved within the hour and ruled as legitimate by the sysop in question. You are attempting to deny me the basic rights as established by policy and I find this to be clearly in bad faith, especially given your deceitful alterations to my vandal data history. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 09:59, 27 September 2009 (BST) I also invite you to undo your deceitful edits to my vandal history. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 06:39, 27 September 2009 (BST) Group Removal I should've consulted them, yes, but I was, and still am, sure that the Philosophe Knights are a PKer group, and therefore shouldn't be in the survivor section of a group template for a suburb. I also should've moved it from Survivor to Hostile, but there again I made a mistake. --RahrahCome join the #party!09:00, 13 September 2009 (BST) You shouldn't be moving them full stop. The Philosophe Knights have defended that mansion for years and been more survivor than most in the area. Elsewhere they might be considered hostile, at home they're survivor. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 09:08, 13 September 2009 (BST) I'm busy atm And thus give you permission to rep 2 Cool inc in the current arbies case, should you still desire to.--xoxo 01:26, 13 September 2009 (BST) Bob says I'm not allowed. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 07:45, 13 September 2009 (BST) Unfortunately it's not bob's decision. Offers on the table if you want it, and i can choose anyone to rep me i want.--xoxo 05:43, 14 September 2009 (BST) To save them complaining, and have them continue to accuse my return as being anything other than a constructive new start, perhaps it would be easier for me to counsel you in this case off the wiki radar. Do you have perhaps an email address where I could send my thoughts? -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 11:25, 14 September 2009 (BST) You are changing the core of the case and we have to accept that before the case continues. Even my argument took me a whole of 40 minutes (and if it weren't 1 in the morning it would have been done quicker), you can't dedicate half an hour of your time to write up an argument? On a wiki? In the name of 2 Cool? You've changed. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 06:07, 14 September 2009 (BST) You say that like it's a bad thing. For example, I can post here now :). Linkthewindow  Talk  11:39, 15 September 2009 (BST) Appreciation Thread I did miss you. Welcome back. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 15:54, 12 September 2009 (BST) I was told by someone who frequents here that there was a major upheaval in the sysop system and a major drama job, thought I'd come help out (that's fix it, not add to it). Given I have five misconduct cases ready to go in my old guise, I'd appreciate the credit when I don't swarm the various pages with these and vandalism cases. New policy is needed as well as clarification of precedent, hopefully I'll be making a start shortly. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 15:59, 12 September 2009 (BST) ^_^ --Haliman - Talk 15:56, 12 September 2009 (BST) There may well be a new "Thou shalt not edit conflict me" rule going up :p -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 15:59, 12 September 2009 (BST) Well, I guess welcome back? I hope you make a fresh start. I'm not sure if I missed you, but I do miss the ability to edit sections on this page.--Thadeous Oakley 16:00, 12 September 2009 (BST) He's gone again. Possibly forever (see: 2 months).--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 16:55, 4 October 2009 (BST) I stand corrected. He's back.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 07:44, 5 October 2009 (BST) Your signiture.... I was having a little trouble when I was making my signiture. I was wondering where you went to get the image you had? I tried a number of different things, not a one of which really worked for me,.... either because they were to big height wise, or file size wise. Any suggestions? -Poodle of DoomM! 00:19, 26 October 2009 (UTC) just a fyi Your characted description left me puzzled about WTF you were talking about. Rubens barrichelo can kiss my ass, he is the worst racer that brazil ever sent to formula one. Last year i did rotted for Massa a lot, but rubens didnt smashed Hamilton's car, and Vettel couldnt hold the brit in that final lap, so he lost. This year was awesome to see the races, but as far as brazilians were running on it, there wasnt hope for them... specially if you take into account barrichelo's murder attempt on Massa in that race that prevented him from racing several races. I am anxious to see next year championship, but this year, meh. --People's Commissar Hagnat [talk] [wcdz] 17:34, 10 November 2009 (UTC) Zed-Sash Hey Iscariot. You have categorized - http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Image:Zombie-Sashimi.jpg - as an unused image. The image is linked to by The Mester Arms, but not used as an image on that page. Is there something I should add to the page to ensure the Wiki realizes that it is linked to... or something...? x --  ▧  : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : 09:07, 26 November 2009 (UTC) Arbitrary Limit Although I hereby grant amnesty to the above violators, any posts found below here may now be removed completely from the page by anyone without prior warning. The posts in question should be removed and not moved to the top. Only the removal of comments below here is authorised for others to do, moving comments around should not be done by anyone. That is all. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 01:41, 8 December 2009 (UTC)