Category talk:Historical Groups

Obtaining Historical Status

A policy is in place which outlines the method to attain historical status.

Groups must no longer actively contribute to the game. A nomination should be made on Category talk:Historical Groups. Within two weeks of a nomination, the group must be approved by 2/3 of the voters, with a minimum of 15 voters for a nomination to pass. The only allowable votes are Yea and Nay. Groups that pass will be added to the category as described below. Groups must allow a week to pass between nominations.

Nominations for Historical Status

When nominating a group, please add a note to Template:Wiki News and add {{HistoricalGroupVoting}} to the top of the group's page.

New Nominations

Escape

Voting Rules

Votes must be numbered, signed, and timestamped. They can take one of two forms: # comments ~~~~ or # ~~~~ Votes that do not conform to the above will be struck by a moderator.

The only valid voting sections are Yes and No. If you wish to abstain from voting, do not vote.

I was told I had to do this through here, but I'll keep it short. Escape is over - it was always designed to end on June 1, something that was heavily advertised throughout the duration of the movement. If you could pass me on this so I can go ahead and start writing my memoirs, I'd be most appreciative. -Captain Video 05:56, 3 June 2010 (BST)

Yes (Escape)

1. Yes - Definitely one of the most interesting and highly publicised events in a looooooooong time. --
    
    
    
    
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2. Hell yes - Absolutely. --Sophie ^{◆◆◆ CAPD} 06:22, 3 June 2010 (BST)
3. Oh, hell yes - Lots of publicity, huge turnout, unfortunate results. --TheBardofAwesome 06:41, 3 June 2010 (BST)
4. Yes - Same reasons as DDR. μ_nholy®_eign 06:52, 3 June 2010 (BST)

   Yes - It was interesting and even though I did not participate, the numbers were large enough that it deserves a mention. --Travis Wells not signed properly --

    

    

    

    

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5. Yes - Most certainly. --Thadeous Oakley 08:31, 3 June 2010 (BST)
6. Yes, yes and thrice yes - twas verily bloody good fun, m'lud. Chief Seagull squawk 09:04, 3 June 2010 (BST)
7. Yes Events do not need to be successful to be historical and anything that gathers that many brains into one big buffet most certainly counts as significant! --Honestmistake 10:09, 3 June 2010 (BST)

   Incredibly Weak Yes - I'd prefer it to be a historical event, in all honesty, but I don't see why it can't be both (assuming someone makes a page for the event).--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 10:51, 3 June 2010 (BST) Changin' mah vote.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 11:27, 3 June 2010 (BST)

8. Yes - Largest group on the stats page by far in a good while, lots of publicity, and clearly significant by the numbers that turned up on both sides --ORakoon 11:49, 3 June 2010 (BST)
9. Yes - Utter failure but a good try--Arthur Dent BIN LADEN IS DEAD!!!!! 12:44, 3 June 2010 (BST)
10. Weak Yes - Has been definitively the most significant event this year so far. (Of course, the opposition consists of the umpteenth Battle of Krinks and St. Aiden's zerg army trying to reclaim Ridleybank, so this isn't really a badge to be proud of.) -- Spiderzed▋ 12:54, 3 June 2010 (BST)
11. Yes - A historic fail, but historic none-the-less. Asheets 13:13, 3 June 2010 (BST)
12. Yes - There's a blurred line between an event and a group that sets itself a time-limited objective/reason to exist/whatever, but this doesn't count against it as a historical group IMO. Escape had good flavour (lol), a new idea, a large following and a large zombie response. Historical. Yes. Garum 13:17, 3 June 2010 (BST)
13. Without a bloody doubt, Yes - The sheer momentum it picked up in such a short space of time, and given that it came from absolutely nothing in the first place, people are gonna remember this. Anyone who was there saw the numbers present, both inside and out after the zeds came. PK'ers came, BH'ers came... it was the place to be. And for a while, there was an atmosphere of excited hope buzzing around the place, something the game had been lacking for too long. F'kin yes man. GG Escape, GG. ~ Kempy “YaketyYak” | ◆◆◆ | CAPD |
     
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14. Yes As Kempy. Oidar 15:09, 3 June 2010 (BST)
15. Yes I don't see why not. As a group, the largest I have ever seen, by the way, it was one of the more bizarre moments of Urban Dead. It certainly deserves to be remembered, though perhaps under events as opposed to groups? --The Prophet of Life 19:01, 3 June 2010 (BST)
16. Yes - It deserves it. Mesousa 19:39, 3 June 2010 (BST)
17. Yes - Obviously. --^A_O^R_D^M_O^P_R^I _! ^T 21:02, 3 June 2010 (BST)
18. Yes - Hell, I knew, without a doubt, that this would end in nothing but a complete and total zombie massacre, and yet there were enough people involved and enough interest raised that I lemminged right along. InvincibleZombie 21:32, 3 June 2010 (BST)
19. Yes - Fo shizzle homey. --Q. JuliusTBH 23:12, 3 June 2010 (BST)
20. I am Captain Video, and I was torn limb from limb for my cause. And I suppose I'm allowed one vote; I just didn't want to be first. That would have been tacky. -Captain Video 05:03, 4 June 2010 (BST)
21. Yes - Got an old fart's attention :P --Haliman - Talk 05:48, 4 June 2010 (BST)
22. Yes - Of course, not putting that event on Historical Page would be just insane. GoLookAndKill ^CFT 10:28, 4 June 2010 (BST)
23. Yes - I see the point with event rather than group, but On_Strike is a historical group, thus Escape fits in this category as well. --Cruzz 12:05, 4 June 2010 (BST)
24. Yes - Cruzz makes a good point--^TCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 12:09, 4 June 2010 (BST)
25. Yes - It made me play again, however shortly. I've been getting a lot of game news through a friend in my hangout channel over the years, this was the first that made me want to return and be part of something, even if it failed miserably. → So pretty much what DDR said. pinkgothic 13:40, 4 June 2010 (BST)
26. Yes - I had fun attempting to escape from Malton, it got me more interested in this game. It also got me eaten. It should definetly be a historical group. -- Drunk Link2500  14:37, 4 June 2010 (BST)
27. Yes - It should remind us that bad ideas have bad endings. --Colette Hart 18:58, 4 June 2010 (BST)
28. Yes - pretty epic stuff--Corndoghero^T-S-Z 03:35, 5 June 2010 (BST)
29. Yes - It was a ton of fun and quite memorable. They came, we saw, we conquered. ^_^ --Shatari 03:38, 5 June 2010 (BST)
30. yes please! it actually gave me a reason for playing this game. Even if it ended in a massive bloodshed with dead bodies piled up to the ceiling, it still rocked :) --Jack Kolt ^Talk|Chars 05:34, 5 June 2010 (BST)
31. YES - A great group with potential to perhaps one day change the game? --JohnGGeo 05:42, 5 June 2010 (BST)
32. Yes - Great event, really shows how fun it can be when heaps of people are together. --Dorsalus 08:39, 5 June 2010 (BST)
33. Yes - We finally did something different! We tried to Escape the game. Even though it didn't work and our dreams were crushed. --FallUpStairs 13:07, 5 June 2010 (BST)
34. Yes - -- » JS talk contribs » 15:31, 5 June 2010 (BST)
35. Yes - It might not have been successful, but the effort, the fun idea and the number of people involved reminded me of the good old mass events we had when last I played, back in '06. Furniture 17:27, 5 June 2010 (BST)
36. Yes - Of course this was one of the biggest things that I have seen in my whole time playing.--Sybertronic 20:22, 5 June 2010 (BST)
37. Yes - Epic Fail, but was worth it.Noxaarmi 20:43, 5 June 2010 (BST)
38. Yes - Yes, it was a imaginative effort to do something new and fun in the game, and in that it was a big success. Marcel Swann 22:54, 5 June 2010 (BST)
39. Yes - It put some life back into the game and it was fun, I am for making it a historical event just for that reason.--Truezombieboy 05:02, 6 June 2010 (BST)
40. Yes - Although the coordination was pathetic, and many were slaughtered, it was an excellent group and event. In little over a month, this group was able to gain 400+ members. It's double the size of RRF, but only ran up until June 1st. Even though nothing was accomplished, either because the zombies had overtaken Ellicott or because Kevan didn't care, its a historic group nonetheless.--SykoKiller666 14:50, 6 June 2010 (BST)
41. Hell Yeah - I pked 3 Escapists and destroyed the generator in The Woodborne Building, and I must say, they've gained my respect, sitting ducks as they were. --Sam 2334 14:54, 6 June 2010 (BST)

No (Escape)

1. Why? - I'm leaning towards a yes for the reasons DDR mentioned, but aside from being highly publicised I'm not really seeing any effects from the event. You know, aside from a whole lot of zombies in one place, which was funny as hell. --Maverick ^{Talk - OBR 404} 06:39, 3 June 2010 (BST)

   I understand your point, but events this big are few and far between nowadays. In fact, that's an understatement, since as far as I know, this is the largest gathering of people I've heard of in two years, since March of The Dead and the apparent Battle of Barhapolis. In a game where numbers are declining and group actions en masse aren't as spectacular (particular in roleplaying value), I found this thrilling and exciting. --

    

    

    

    

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   Your word: event. This group was less than impressive and failed to change anything about the way the game was played. The event they were at was much bigger than just their group, which is what makes the event historical, even though the group is not. —Aichon— 11:33, 3 June 2010 (BST)

   Personally I think the exact opposite. As an event it was shit, I just sat there and listened to spam and then got PK'd and died. The group is what was original. Now we are just butting heads about opinions though so let's agree to disagree since we've both made points for and against yeah? --

    

    

    

    

   11:36, 3 June 2010 (BST)

   I can agree to that. I think I viewed the event differently since I was on the outside looking in, rather than the inside looking out, as you were. For us zombies, this was the best eating we've had in awhile, and the most fun too, since almost all of the big groups showed up in force. Lots of joint strike operations and the like make for lots of fun. :) —Aichon— 11:41, 3 June 2010 (BST)

2. No/Abstain - It's absolutely a historical group/event, but I'd like to see something on the page which details what happened. Now that the 1st and 2nd have come and gone, perhaps some of the people who participated can write up a little "post-event analysis". Then I'll happily vote yes.--_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 09:03, 3 June 2010 (BST)
3. No - I feel that the event was HUGELY significant and should definitely be considered historical (see here), but the group itself failed to change the game at all and didn't do anything of significance aside from get together in one place and get themselves (along with everyone and everything else in a 10 block radius) killed by hungry zombies. Had they actually succeeded at their objectives, possibly even their secondary one of committing mass suicide by jumping, I might change my mind, but they didn't. Also, with 414 members still active in the group, that makes it far and away the largest in the game right now, so I think it's still too early to consider the group beyond the point of actively contributing (as the rules at the top of this page require). I know that's a bit of a technicality, but it's just one reason for my vote amongst several. —Aichon— 11:25, 3 June 2010 (BST)

   Typically groups made for a one-time purpose go into historical groups not events. Eg. BBB, and more likening to Escape itself, On strike. Just like Big Bash (which didn't really "change the game" besides be a horde but is still with my former examples in Historical Groups category), it's just the thing we do, I guess. --

    

    

    

    

   11:32, 3 June 2010 (BST)

   But if it's an event, then we avoid No Escape requesting the same thing. They'd both be pinned down under the same name.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 11:33, 3 June 2010 (BST)

   On Strike actually succeeded though, and as I said, had Escape succeeded, I may have changed my vote (likely would have). As for likening it to other events, why not the famous sieges and the like that are mentioned over here? This was essentially the biggest and shortest siege in recent history, after all. Yonnua also makes a good point about it covering all of the groups if it's an event. —Aichon— 11:36, 3 June 2010 (BST)

4. No - Like my vote up there in the yes column says, it was very weak, and Aichon's changed my mind. As Aichon, and as I said before, but with much more frowny-face. >:( --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 11:28, 3 June 2010 (BST)
5. No - This seems more like an event to me, and didn't actually change anything within the game. I supported the effort, but I don't think it deserves enshrinement like this given its eventual lack of any impact. 15:24, 3 June 2010 (BST)
6. Hahahahahahahaha! Oh, wait. You're serious? Let me laugh harder. Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! - They didn't do shit other than get trolled to death. And they certainly didn't accomplish anything. And like Aichon said, the event might be historical, but the group isn't. The group is just a footnote on the event's historical page in my opinion. - Goribus 21:23, 3 June 2010 (BST)
7. No - Event, yes. Group, no. --Papa Moloch 00:28, 4 June 2010 (BST)
8. Event - I worry that No Escape will be left out otherwise, and they played a big role. Besides, I infected DDR, one of the most eventful attacks of my career. --VVV ^RPMBG 00:29, 4 June 2010 (BST)
9. Fuck no - As a group, their only virtue was numbers. They did everything that a group could do wrong and that's including them not achieving their stated goals. The amount of fail in Escape as a group is immeasurable with currently manufactured equipment. As a historical event? I'd give it a second thought before voting "no" again. I'm not knocking it as something fun, just on every other possible level. --Papa Johnny 05:51, 4 June 2010 (BST)
10. Fuck No – As JB, Aich', Moloch. (See also: Bandwagon? :P) ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 07:07, 4 June 2010 (BST)
11. triple massive fuck no as above. since when do we reward massive fail? maybe as an event. this needs to be forgotten.----sexualharrison ¯\()/¯ 17:51, 4 June 2010 (BST)
12. No - Escape as a group failed as already mentioned, all they had were numbers and an idea. A huge part of what made the event fun was the zombies and PKers who showed up, and they are given little mention on the Escape group page. You're glorifying the failing element of a much larger thing. Make an event page, tell of all who were there and all that happened. -- Papa Jadkor ^{(RRF) (MotA) (MT11)} 18:06, 4 June 2010 (BST)
13. No - As Moloch! --Akbar 18:23, 4 June 2010 (BST)
14. No - If you actually went by the original intent of the Escape page, you should have walked away from the game as of June 2nd. Since you are here requesting that the page be put up for a historical group, it's obvious that you didn't quit the game. As such, we shouldn't reward a tantrum with Historical status. I did make a template for the occasion. Enjoy. --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™} 19:40, 4 June 2010 (BST)
15. No for being one of the whiniest and zergiest "groups" since the Children of the Darque? Bugger off--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 19:43, 4 June 2010 (BST)
16. No Massive incompetence and stupidity does not qualify a group for historical status. Even the event itself was ill conceived and not really all that significant. --Grogh 22:41, 4 June 2010 (BST)

    Actually.. - User:Whitehouse 11:48, 5 June 2010 (BST)

    Haha yeah, no reason to make another mistake! --Grogh 02:35, 6 June 2010 (BST)

17. No It's all been said. The value was in the event, not the group. If we're going to recognise anything, we should recognise the correct thing. -- Bisfan 00:23, 5 June 2010 (BST)
18. No As Aichon ♥ Moonie ^{Talk | Testimonials} 08:53, 5 June 2010 (BST)
19. No - It's more of an event. The poor coordination showed by survivors lessened the feel of a "group". The arrival of Zombies and PKers from practically every big group in the game was what made it an event. Suggestion - Let's get a decent event page sorted.-- Adward  11:23, 5 June 2010 (BST)
20. I'm pretty sure that it was stated on the Escape page that they weren't really a group. - User:Whitehouse 11:48, 5 June 2010 (BST)
21. No Akule is right on the spot. I say no, it's a historical event. -- I'm just adding on here because I don't know where else to say this :3 Something you guys should think about was this was just a big fail bandwagon (Escape, I mean), everyone just went "baaa" and sheeped over to Ellicott Place Railway Station. It's no historic group --S _{e n e r g y} ^T 17:42, 5 June 2010 (BST)
22. No It was a pretty large event but as a group Escape failed to accomplish anything whatsoever, unless you count being delicious. --Globule13 02:33, 6 June 2010 (BST)
23. No No Escape ruined the group and prevented them reaching the stated goal. If No Escape didn't be ignorant dicks, they probably would of reach their goal. therefore, yes. No Escape should be "honored" for being the group that ruined it for everyone.--Lonercs 06:05, 6 June 2010 (BST)

    Could you be any more bitter? The break in that resulted in your downfall was 13 zombies, at first. 380 survivors failed to dump them. Any "ruining" is down to the failure of the survivors concerned. Not all of them, but the vast majority of them. And ignorant dicks? We just happen to go where the food is. :) -- Adward  12:54, 6 June 2010 (BST)

24. No Was less of a group and more of a hangout for people. Doesn't fit criteria. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n} 09:09, 6 June 2010 (BST)

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