Talk:Freedom-Loving United Crowbankers (FLUCkers)

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Good to see you on board with the FLUCk Manifesto, Anja.--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 10:29, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

A Self-Proclaimed Ruler Writes

An entire group set up to destroy me and my friends... I laugh. Seriously, I did. I like it. Every step people take against me makes me more determined to irritate them and stay. Apart from TSI and Anja (Who I don't think is really the violent type, more a friendly person generally, so I won't be attacking her), is there anyone else who's decided to challenge me? So JRC knows who we should be shooting. --Jerden 20:35, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

The best way to follow up a joke is to make another joke... You must really enjoy playing as a zombie. :) --Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 15:29, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Is it normal to feel proud of the resistance against your evil regime? Any thoughts, as you are the Spanish Inquisition, with the feared and reviled comfy chairs. I mean, most evil rulers have to wait until they've taken over for the resistance to form, so this validates my rule! MWAH HAH HAH! By refusing to fall apon your knees before me, you FLUCkers lift me up upon your shoulders! Of course, you then try and drop me off a cliff to take advantage of that fact, but actually I'll just let this metaphor end now... --Jerden 18:29, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

A Half-Baked Student of Philosophy Writes

How... amusing. A new group, a new talk page to spam... Almost makes me want to return to Crowbank, though I'm enjoying the downtime of roaming for now. Thanks Mallrat, I did enjoy New York, though it was cold and windy enough to freeze an elephant.--  FOXLION    20:57, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

... Surely, "cold enough to freeze a foxlion"? :) Anyway, welcome back. Jerden and Leiter are both zombified, so all's well with the FLUCking world.--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 02:33, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

The Great Debate About Hate

mall rat, do you still hate fox lion? i want to ask him if he could help us. --Anja Arnheim 04:14, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

I never hated Foxlion. He chose to hate TSI! As he's no longer fighting us, I've no problem with him. All who embrace our cause of truth, freedom and justice are welcome to the FLUCkers' fold.--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 14:26, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Ah, Mallrat, always so blunt. But right in this case, although I'm not quite sure me "hating" TSI is the right word. "Find amusing, mildly dislike, like to shoot, etc." would be more accurate. As for joining FLUCKers, unfortunately, I like to keep loyalties, and since I was with JRC, I'll continue supporting Jerden, directly or indirectly. Besides, I have a Hobbesque point of view, and believe man must be ruled, and Jerden strikes me as the best lord for Crowbank. I also find concepts like "truth, freedom and justice" too... vague to fight for. :D--  FOXLION    18:07, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

... --Anja Arnheim 18:27, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Anja, I think ellipsis usually express some sort of disappointment or speechlessness, but I can't imagine why in this case. I think I've already made clear I'm an essentially moral-less mercenary, who may believe in deterrence, but not justice. And wouldn't you admit Jerden fits Crowbank perfectly? --  FOXLION    19:02, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

'Hating' not the right word? Allow me to quote you: "Nothing personal, TSI, I just happen to strongly, very, utterly, enormously dislike Spanish Inquisitions." Hmm. Come back when you 1. know your arse from your elbow, and 2. have learnt not to name-check philosophers every other comment - so jejune... The very definition of pinkness.--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 20:02, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

And there's the Mallrat we all know- abrasive, fits right in the Abuse Room, but a bit cute if you get over the acid. Insulted I suppose, that I'm not joining FLUCkers. And a bit illogical. The quote also says "dislike", not "hate", and I mean what I write. Do consider that before trying to quote my words against me.--  FOXLION    00:38, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

You actually said "strongly, very, utterly, enormously dislike". As Dictionary.com defines it, hate means "to dislike intensely or passionately". And I'm hardly insulted - it was the eternally optimistic Anja's idea in any case. Ciao!--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 03:36, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Working for Anja's New Crowbank (WANCk)

what does that supposed to mean exactly, mall rat? it is hard for me to realize if this is sarcasm or not, but i will not make a big deal of it and be upset. i will be upset with fox lion though! look, you! just because you can help crowbank does not mean you are helping jerden! you can help us in crowbank by fixing things and healing people! anyways... this is what we should do. i thought the militant order of barhah is slowly moving into town, but it turns out it is just three or four of their zombies and they are not doing as much damage to crowbank suburb as i thought they would be doing. that may change, but until it does, i will not jump ship into vinetown. see this picture of the suburb i have planned.

http://i47.tinypic.com/2lj5mj4.png

the blue rings in the upper left hand corner are vital to crowbank success. i will be in charge of that corner. it is also the most important corner. all of the important things close together. another part of the suburb is on the other side. crowbank, by default, is a very messy suburb. it would be a nightmare for free runners, so it is important to have a few entry points around the city. plummer avenue is the revive point, so if anybody dies they need to go there and i will revive them. i will also keep tabs on the amount of zombies in crowbank with the necronet in mydleham. now, everybody needs to give me their current location, and what their situation is. i want crowbank to be really good, so i need assist with this.

No sarcasm intended, Anja. I was just referring to the fact that you always hope for the best from people, even when they clearly want nothing more than mischief. I admire you for that.

I've passed on your plan to the cardinals at TSI. Anything that makes Crowbank less of a mess works for us. I would add the Blocksidge Building NT as a key location in the NW, and advise keeping non-TRP buildings VSB as much as possible, to help with the free running problem Crowbank has because of the big empty space in the middle of the burb. Perhaps we could devise a FLUCk-endorsed Barricade Plan?--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 15:41, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

That would be a good idea. I keep having access issues when recently revived. Sort something out please. (A true leader is always in charge, or at least pretends to be.) --Jerden 17:37, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Anja, Foxlion will not enter the SE region unless he is prepared to renew the TSI conflict, when TSI labels him as one who wants mischief and will likely follow that up with bullets, whatever my intentions are. Have you forgotten how the last 'truce' went? Not very well. That said, I have a lower level reviver alt heading that way anyway, so he will assist at RPs, although anonymously.

And despite my doubts whether a reply will end this subject, I answer Mallrat, too. Although the borders of hate and dislike may appear close, one does exist, just as you wouldn't say love==like. TSI get my dislike, but "hate" would mean I couldn't leave Crowbank or stop killing TSI until either you or I left Malton. "Dislike", enormous, but still dislike, means I spend a few weeks collecting scalps, then move on to other targets. --  FOXLION    20:27, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Dislikers gonna dislike, I guess... Oh and congratulations, you've now also proven that you also don't know east from west. :D --Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 20:34, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Ah ha, good catch.--  FOXLION    22:28, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

wanck? really?! you! i am going to smack you with a newspaper, mall rat...--Anja Arnheim 06:30, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Get your mind out of the gutter, Anja! It's a perfectly good acronym. :) --Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 09:56, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Digression about Crowbankian Internal Politics

fox lion, you do not seem to understand that it is not about you and the spanish inquisition, it is about you and crowbank. if you do not want to help, oh well. the hyena pack is located in stickling park, and they could use revives. i have already revived willow, but there are four more left. if you fall outside, st. lorenzo church is the entry point. oh, and get this. inside st. lorenzo church is marcus pren. marcus is the leader of the 21st death com. before jerden existed, me and pren fought for control of crowbank. if pren is here to make trouble with crowbank, i will destroy him and the 41st death com all over again. i am not afraid to pk him. if he is here to help, he has my respect. the ice is thin. --Anja Arnheim 00:37, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Anja's right, foxlion, this isn't a TSI thing: it's about making Crowbank a half-decent burb and making an impact on the game. Crowbank's been a boring, low-rent, no-history place for ever, and now we can put it in the map. As Anja and Mick have shown, bygones can be bygones in Urban Dead. :) --Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 04:34, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

people think crowbank is not a very good suburb, so we have nothing to lose by trying to fix it up. fluck movement could use some direction, i think. just saying that we want to job to fix up crowbank will not be enough to get things going. i will give it some thought what we could do. please be careful if you are wandering around lower crowbank. --Anja Arnheim 09:46, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Putting Crowbank on the map? I thought that was a bi-product of what we were already doing. Surely this conflict seems like it will go down in UD history as one of the most prolonged conflicts ever? It's been active for almost 3 months by now--Leiter 00:12, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Foxlion Agonises Over Where His True Loyalties Lie

I said I'd send an alt and help out, so I'm not sure what more you want, Anja. I have no objection to helping make Crowbank better, I just won't put my name under FLUCkers' roster, since its primary goal is to oppose Jerden, whom I support. But I'm surprised- there's actually a person you're willing to PK. ;)--  FOXLION    20:16, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Speaking of which, better maintained barricades and a proper barricade plan as mentioned would help Crowbank a lot, since the lack of EPs make the place rather unfriendly. Probably two plans would be needed, one for normal times, one for when under attack.--  FOXLION    20:21, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

One Flew Over The Raven's Nest, er, Pub

Because alt abuse is a pet peeve of mine, (and should be a pet peeve of everyone) and I am NOT saying you are guilty of alt abuse Foxlion. BUT: Alts are to lead completely separate lives. In other words your alt should have no issues about opposing JRC just because Foxlion likes and supports JRC. Just saying your excuse doesn't hold water . This is why I only have one character in UD, I know I would have problems separating myself from 'Raven' who is..well..umm .... she is me, In a weird and somewhat unhealthy sort of way. --Raven Corvus 02:14, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

By the way anyone who radically alters the decor in my pub will be shot. The post apocalyptic look goes well with the current heavy metal playlist. Unless you're a member of JRC and/or have a bounty, then I'll shoot you regardless. heheh --Raven Corvus 02:14, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Hiya Raven, duly noted - we can add a special note to the FLUCk barricade plan!

As Foxlion says, the lack of EPs is a major pain. The way I see it, all non-TRPs should be VSB++ except in exceptional cases; TRPs EHB for the most part, but with a few kept VSB++ for the newbies, especially where we have 'duplicates', e.g. of the local NTs, Mydleham could be VSB++ (as it's manned the most) but Blocksidge and Doubting EHB, or vice versa. Same for the hospitals, keep the NE one VSB++ and the NW one EHB. When under attack, of course, it's recommended to raise the cades.--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 03:28, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Oh cade away Mallrat, just leave the Quiet Riot, Anthrax, Skid Row and other metal memorabilia alone. And no I repeat NO corporate pop/hippity hoppity/country cross over/tweeny boy/girl band music (if I dare call it that) allowed over the speakers. I have noted it gets the zeds riled up something fierce. Next month we'll see about some Ramones maybe some Cure followed with a bit of Sex Pistols. But only a bit the zeds limbs flailing around in a mosh pit is truly an ugly site to behold. --Raven Corvus 05:36, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Ramones, Cure, Sex Pistols... three good choices. Maybe add Black Flag (Mick's old employers) and some sludgecore...--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 14:04, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Hmm yes... it is a shame I have not been added to RG, suppose I'll have to do better than 8 kills :/ Anyways, I haven't seen you around yet Raven, are you really in Crowbank? I know I wouldn't go at you since it would just be a waste of AP (I kill you, yu'll get revived in a day and you'll be on the hunt and the scoreboard wouldn't have changed). I´would waste an AP to say hello though :) --Leiter 00:20, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

The Apple Barricade Concept (ABC) and The Mystery of TFC

i will come up with a barricade plan that is special for crowbank. my goal in coming up with the plan is to have most of them outer buildings less barricaded, but not ruined, while having the more central buildings with stronger barricades. think about it like an apple, it is soft on the outside, but it has a hard core in the middle of it. the same should be of crowbank, but in the middle of the core, or in the direct center, there should be one or two entry points. i would like to turn mydleham building into a rotters relief for a temporary, but not everybody can trust zombies like me so we can have them at vsb. i will also consider the other opinions, but no pgg special barricade plan for fluckers can be in place without the approval of the following groups: the spanish inquisition, jerden group, and murder death kill group. when we all have a plan we can agree on, we will go forward with that and begin working on getting rid of the old barricade policy and switching it with a pgg special one. i will make a page on the pgg section for the new pgg specialized fluck map, and that is the place you can yell at me about the map. i do not want to clog up this page any further. and mall rat! do not be useless, you! if you are useless, i will smack you with a roll of news paper! there is plenty to talk about in the morning broadcast. i would like you to at least tell a joke, because saying there is no news is useless. --Anja Arnheim 08:18, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

It's not actually me making those broadcasts... I thought it might've been you! :D Maybe the phantom broadcaster will reveal themselves...--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 14:09, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

PGG Restoration Program --Anja Arnheim 10:54, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Anja, it's gone to the cardinals for their perusal in Malton's secret Papal Library. May I suggest making all dark buildings EHB, though.--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 14:04, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

I agree, I've played pro-survivor and repairing dark buildings is irritating, so they shouldn't be allowed to be ruined easily. One lucky zombie can remove VSB in less than 50AP and still have enough to ruin the building (This is also something I know from personal experiance) My opinion in this does matter. I have a major stake in Crowbank's well being. Let's put it on the map together, because it's got a cool enough name to deserve it. Oh, and hi Raven. I havn't seen you in a while, not since you murdered me, you double crossing traitor! No hard feelings? --Jerden 17:48, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Left my thoughts on the relevant talk page. --Rosslessness 20:03, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi Anja, I would make Burt St PD VSB and Dane St PD EHB (= free running choke point); Doubting and Mydleham NTs EHB, with Blocksidge VSB (as before, free running corridors need protecting); make Morrell Bank and the two central clubs EHB, but lower St Lorenzo's and St Piran's Churches to VSB.--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 13:09, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Additionally, as Ross suggested, change the southern junkyard to VSB; I would then make the northern factory EHB.--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 13:11, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Excuses Section

Hello again, Corvus. And Vapor. I think this page is halfway there on attracting more attention to Crowbank. ;)

I don't think I'm obliged to provide good 'excuses' for not wanting to put Thanatos in FLUCkers, though I can say even without Foxlion's preferences I highly doubt Thanatos would have enrolled here. Both alts share my cynicism and distrust of people who say they stand for justice and 'liberators', although I don't think similar thinking is an issue as long as the alts don't work together.

I admit I wouldn't feel right to have had Foxlion leave JRC when I know they could use more members, then turn around and put my new alt in a group dedicated to "killing and dumping" those people. Just as I wouldn't feel right putting Thanatos into JRC, though since Foxlion has now left the group and the area, I technically could. I give whatever group I'm in my all, so if I wanted Thanatos in a survivor group (which I don't at the moment) it'd be easier to put him in a non-connected group, to avoid any complications for myself and others. I don't think avoiding conflicting interests of characters is in any way against the game or deserves mention alts should be separate, especially when one alt is a PKer, one alt a reviver, and both keep suburbs apart.

Anja, very creative analogy with the apple. The map looks fine, though I agree darks would work better EHB, except maybe keeping Club Dowdall VSB as an EP. --  FOXLION    21:38, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi Foxlion, I have no problem with your reasoning. I just thought I'd add a cheeky section header, seeing as every little addition to the old Wall o' Text helps bring traffic to FLUCkTalk (tm). 400+ views already! Crowbank is the new Pitneybank! Only with fewer zergers.--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 02:36, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Cut-Out-'N'-Keep Dickheads Section!

but plenty of alt-abusers.--User:Sexualharrison15:34, 28 January 2013

aww does the truth hurt rat?--User:Sexualharrison01:45, 30 January 2013

It does, but 1. your comment above isn't the truth, and 2. anything you have to say is water off a rat's back. Ciao!--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 02:54, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Rebuttals, Objections and Sidebars

Now now, none of that here. I thought you had that sorted on my group's discussion page. Evidently not. Anyway, I'd interpret "characters must lead completely separate lives" to mean it's best for Foxlion's alt to not fight against a group he used to belong to. It's just simplest that way.--Jerden 18:14, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Nearly at 500 views today, your cheeky headers must work well. If 'alt-abusers' mean people like Rozalyn, they exist all over Malton, not just Crowbank. And if that comment was aimed at me, see the section above, which I think clarifies well enough that alt interaction is exactly what I'm avoiding. --  FOXLION    01:10, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi Fox, yup, the section headers certainly help keep the page ticking over. I'm not sure who or what SexualHarrison was targeting with his comment about alt-abusers; I know he's no fan of mine but I can live with that.--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 02:41, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Yep, I like the FLUCkers section headers. You see, if I'm going to have sworn enemies they should at least entertain me. After all, I try hard to be amusing, least they can do is return the favour! --Jerden 18:31, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Let me know when you're going to be amusing, I'll create a special entertainments section just for you... :) --Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 19:23, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Special Entertainments Section, Just for Jerden!

When does Jerden fail to amuse? When do bystanders not view him with baffled confusion/irritation? Some men are born great, others pretend to be great while sane people laugh at them. Basically, I try to entertain, for is this not a game. I entertain myself, and by doing so hope to enrich others, even if it is just by giving them a clown to shoot at. --Jerden 18:16, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

A Passing Gardener Writes

You're all going to die. ~ _{03:32, 27 January 2013 (UTC)}

Damned potted plant stealing such a wicked quote from one of my brethren. Oh well, victims aren't we all --Raven Corvus 06:03, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

everyone will die? good! more work for me! --Anja Arnheim 07:22, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

They're all dead. They just don't know it yet. ~ _{18:11, 27 January 2013 (UTC)}

Thank you Captain Obvious! What next, you'll announce the non-existence of the Easter Bunny?--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 18:48, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

500+ Views...

...in 10 days. Let's keep the FLUCking ball rolling. Sure, the MOB has proved to be a speed-bump in the way of the glorious and triumphant implementation of Anja's awesome barricade plan (turning Crowbank into Malton's very own 'Big Apple'), but we can build some momentum and roll over it.--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 13:15, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

everybody do not forget to go to PGG Restoration Program. that is where the new barricade plan is being develop. --Anja Arnheim 22:52, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Bah! And to think that I've contributed in marketing a resistance movement aimed specifically at us :( Anyways, I have only seen 1 more than Anja actually carrying the group name, makes me wonder... --Leiter 00:27, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Read the main page - FLUCk isn't a group, more of a coalition, or a state of mind. You might like freedom, Leiter, you should try it!--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 02:55, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, yes. It's a coalition, you're right. One could make the argument that a coalition of people working together for a common goal could also be called a group of sorts, but I'm not going to make that argument. Yes freedom... But then again, every suburb in malton is free, and that's what makes it boring. Imagine a suburb that works more like a nation, now that would be efficiency!--Leiter 11:05, 31 January 2013 (UTC)