User talk:Duke Garland/BHW

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Announcement

hi. would like to post some notes here, at the top.

  • The map page is getting close to the wiki page size limit, so soon it will be split in 2 parts just like i did with monroeville one.
  • i have a script ready that parses out rectangle frame. i.e. you give me x_min, x_max, y_min, y_max and i give you a wikimap in these limits (though, only data that i have would be present). handy for your single region suburbs. i did all monroeville regions maps like this!
  • i only take iwitness so far because of few reasons, biggest of which are protection of errata/misstypings and reliability. however i might look at some big chunks people collected and add them if i have somebody like Rosslessness saying "this one is reliable".
  • for how can i help i'll quote Jen:
Jen said:
Learn how to use iwitness. Then find an area of the map that's not been documented, take an iwit record of every single step you take, and post them here, so Duke can update the map based on them. Alternatively, you can help with some stopgap maps by compiling and sticking together screenshots, but those are temporary, and will only be useful as long as there's not a centralized map.

Sincerely yours, --~~~~ [talk]

links, were did they go?

it was getting crowded, so i moved parsed iwitness to an User talk:Duke Garland/BHW/archive --~~~~ [talk] 19:39, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Mapping Procedures

I have been mapping locations in Elstree without screen shots by manually editing the map at the bottom of that page. I've noticed that there seem to be a few other mapping activities going on, some of which include what appear to be master maps and screen shots. I'm a bit confused about best practice, and I'm afraid that my work is either going to be overwritten or simply deemed unreliable. Can someone write up a quick primer on HOW to properly map for use newbies (what to record and WHERE) and link to it on the Borehamwood main page? Squideshi 18:58, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Your work is either going to be overwritten or simply deemed unreliable. Here's a quick notes on HOWTO for newbies: don't do anything. Really. You might think that i'm too harsh, but believe me, the mess from errors that newbies make is too large --~~~~ [talk] 19:09, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
You need to be real careful. Im currently sorting out a map of Northwest Borehamwood but I'm putting nothing in until its been confirmed by a secondary source, whether that's screenshots, the duke here, the guy who's got a giant excel table, screenshost or screencaptures. The best practice is to Iwitness it all, or take shots like other users have done. Bear in mind we still don't know what shape some of these maps should be! --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:18, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I believe Duke's map is the closest thing to a documented, thorough, default map (well, or will be, once it's finished). So if you want to contribute to the effort that's not going to get overwritten or deemed unreliable, learn how to use iwitness. Then find an area of the map that's not been documented, take an iwit record of every single step you take, and post them here, so Duke can update the map based on them. Alternatively, you can help with some stopgap maps by compiling and sticking together screenshots, but those are temporary, and will only be useful as long as there's not a centralized map. (And Duke won't update his map based on screenshots). --Jen 19:29, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Yep. Remember. whatever you do will be superceded by duke. The only reason im doing it is for short term navigation. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:39, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I understand that this all applies to the big map being put together by Duke. Does it also apply to the smaller individual maps on the wiki page for each suburb? Squideshi 05:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
What Jen said. By the way best way to go scouting-wise is diagonally (you get 5 new blocks instead of 3 each turn). --~~~~ [talk] 19:45, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Unless duke can do a screengrab?--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:42, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
i'll think about it, but i doubt i'll do it this week--~~~~ [talk] 19:45, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Also, keeping track of where the borders of suburbs are is a good thing. This is the one element that isn't covered by Duke's map, so compiling some sort of screenshot diagram is immensely useful when it comes to those. --Jen 19:55, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Haw Crescent Garage for example marks the Most Southern and Easterly Corners of Northwest Borehamwood at 543,32 --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:00, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Its Westernmost border is at 524 (inclusive, apart from below line 25 when its border is 520 (inclusive) --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:06, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

~hi guys, erm someone definately putting false info out there (much more than just hiding the BB house) I finding references to places doubled or even tripled. Just thought I'd give ppl the heads up. :Alphastarre 10:12, 31 October 2008

There are quite a few repeated names (eg Cuningunde Hospital.) which are legitimately repeated on the map. I suspect this is what you've noticed, and not misinformation. --Zarneverfike 10:42, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Alphastarre, if you want to point out incorrect information, point out incorrect information. coordinates, you know? i've got everything ready to investigate it. in the message above all you did was talk shit. And take in account what Zarneverfike said - location names aren't unique throughout the town. In Monroeville there are 2 hospitals with same name 10 blocks from eash other --~~~~ [talk] 15:34, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Some fields and woodlands in SW

--Janus Abernathy 21:40, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

done, page will be updated in few minutes --~~~~ [talk] 20:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Fields and roads in North B

Here I had to take a Iwit after 2 steps because it kept giving me an error (the road). Sorry.

--Janus Abernathy 21:54, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

done, page will be updated in few minutes --~~~~ [talk] 20:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Northeast BHW

done, page will be updated in few minutes --~~~~ [talk] 20:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I've got a road running East-West at 573,11 but iWitness won't render a screenshot.

GeraldThompson 23:35, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

done, page will be updated in few minutes --~~~~ [talk] 20:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Headed up to the borderland and I'm going to head West from here.

GeraldThompson 04:26, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

done, page will be updated in few minutes --~~~~ [talk] 20:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Forgot one

GeraldThompson 04:28, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

done, page will be updated in few minutes --~~~~ [talk] 20:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Got up early...

Enjoy -- GeraldThompson 13:35, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

done, page will be updated in few minutes --~~~~ [talk] 20:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Here's a little more.

GeraldThompson 17:01, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

done, page will be updated in few minutes --~~~~ [talk] 20:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

East and Countryside, heading south. A BRIDGE!

done, page will be updated in few minutes --~~~~ [talk] 20:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Bridge.png

iwitness didn't record some river shots

--Jen 00:53, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

done, page will be updated in few minutes --~~~~ [talk] 20:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Northwest

--Jen 01:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

done, page will be updated in few minutes --~~~~ [talk] 20:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Southern

--Jen 01:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

done, page will be updated in few minutes --~~~~ [talk] 20:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


Some of East BHW and its borders

done, page will be updated in few minutes --~~~~ [talk] 20:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

South / Southeast Border

--Zarneverfike 06:09, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

done, page will be updated in few minutes --~~~~ [talk] 20:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

West BHW - Countryside - Radlett

I've had to stop for now as the iWit server appears to be suffering but here is the preliminary results from today's scouting:

--Bigmaddrongo 11:41, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

done, page will be updated in few minutes --~~~~ [talk] 20:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Northeast Countryside

Occaisional trouble with iwiwness (hates deep water for some reason) means a few gaps but no river crossing yet:

--Co fragment 12:12, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

done, page will be updated in few minutes --~~~~ [talk] 20:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Continuation including furthest river crossing to the north, now heading up west side of river:

--Co fragment 18:02, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

done, page will be updated in few minutes --~~~~ [talk] 20:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

South and Southwest BHW

Running NW from supermarket in south BHW, and then south along RW tracks:

--Co fragment 12:23, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

done, page will be updated in few minutes --~~~~ [talk] 20:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Man, how much work you have.

Just a screenie.

St Emma's Hospital 1E1S of Veronica General Hospital. Cheers --Janus Abernathy 18:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

done, page will be updated in few minutes --~~~~ [talk] 20:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Elstree iwit

--Janus Abernathy 20:21, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

done, though you missed "page update" that flushed in all this crowd of iwitty by plain minutes, so these ones will go in when i sort out few small things with new types of blocks that appeared and/or were not recognized by my parser --~~~~ [talk] 20:28, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

I'd just thought I'd say thanks Duke. You're bloody fantastic for doing this. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 21:01, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Seconded. Shame you have been forced to remove the House from the map though - Shaft121 22:59, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
he was not forced... he was asked, and agreed to remove it on his own. --People's Commissar Hagnat talk 23:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Semantics...or a misunderstanding from yourself. It can be seen that he would have posted it up without being asked. However, somebody with a different viewpoint decided to ask him not to. Fine, he agrees, but without that intervention, it would be posted. To me, that is being 'forced' although I concede that is a potentially volatile word. Regardless, kudos on the work so far! - Shaft121 23:18, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
You know, actually i'm not sure wether i would have posted or not without being asked. The situation was quite complex - i was having some tech difficulty that made process that was usually 1-stage become 2-stage because of data overload. And the issue of hiding arose in the middle of this "process upgrade". So i haven't even started to think what to do with them then. --~~~~ [talk] 23:50, 31 October 2008 (UTC)