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[[Category:Arbitration Cases|The Fifth Horseman vs Akule]]
==[[User:The Fifth Horseman|The Fifth Horseman]] vs [[User:Akule|Akule]]==
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Image:Laffo5th.gif

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Template:Laffo5th

Akule took a personalized avatar (altough the image is indeed based on copyrighted contents) that I made for my own and private use (given the fact that it took a fair lot of work to make it the way I did it, nobody was given permission to re-use the image (though if they asked, that would not be a problem)) and vandalized it with insults directed at me in person. This image has already been nuked on ImageShack (because of the harassment) and Resensitized (for same reasons), so to continue that harassment he has uploaded the image to the Wiki.
Additionally, he incorporated it in a template with purpose of insulting me. 

Two other parties can be considered to be co-perpetrators, as they have used the image and template on their own user pages.
*[[User:DarkStar2374383]]
*[[User:AnimeSucks]]

Furthermore, Akule has created vandalized versions of The Abandoned group logo and forum logo onto which he has superimposed insults.

I demand the offensive content to be removed and the offender to cease these ridiculous insults. I have nothing against people expressing their hostility, however in a '''mature''' manner. 

Thus, Akule and the others can still take their concerns to my (or The Abandoned's) user talk page, provided they express them in a mature manner without degrading themselves to that sort of petty trolling.

Arbitrators that I will accept:
*[[User:SA-TA-EK-Rumisiel|'STER]]
*[[User:LibrarianBrent|LibrarianBrent]]
*[[User:Nubis|Nubis]]
*[[User:Odd_Starter|Odd Starter]]
*[[User:Vista|Vista]]
*[[User:Zaruthustra|Zaruthustra]]

:A thousand apologizes great sahib, but I believe the image falls under parody rulings from the past. I did a little bit of reading, especially [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Moderation/Vandal_Banning#DarkStar2374383 here], and it would seem that this isn't the first time something like that appeared. As for the template, it only appears on user pages, and I can easily adjust the comments so people will make sure to only use it on their user page, which I believe is sancrosanct and protected under the wiki bylines. I would like to have [[User:Xoid|Xoid]] and [[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob240]] (both have been extremely helpful in explaining some of the wiki rules and guidelines to me) [[User:BobHammero|Bob Hammero]] as Arbitrators, as well as: [[User:Mia Kristos|Mia Kristos]] (we need more female Arbitrators in this discussion), and [[User:Mpaturet|Mpaturet]] as Special Guest Arbitrators. Who knows if I can even do this, as I have no real idea of how to proceed, but I will spend some time reading the process in order to better understand things. --[[User:Akule|Akule]] 06:16, 20 June 2006 (BST)
::My advisor told me that I would have to change the template. Is everyone nice and happy now? [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Template:Laffo5th The 5th horseman fan club]. It puts him in a good light (which is hard to do). --[[User:Akule|Akule]] 06:39, 20 June 2006 (BST)
:::Upon reading 5th's [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User_talk:The_Fifth_Horseman#Regarding_your_Arbitration_Case user page], I'd like to point out that he has been asked to stop posting on our [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Cannibal_Corps wiki talk page] several times, as we wanted to discuss things with [[User:Doubler|Doubler]]. 5th continually posts and harasses the group, despite being blatantly ignored, or even asked to be more civil. We have been quite patient with him, and for the record, we have not posted on [[the Abandoned]] wiki pages, nor have we been asked to stop posting on his user page. I will do so, if that is the arbitration result, however, I seriously question his motive for this arbitration if he continually instigates us on our wiki page and on the resensitized board, yet claims that we are harassing him, when a simple deletion request would have accomplished the same goal. It is my belief that this is just another form of harassment that he has chosen to perform on me and the group as a whole, as I have dared to say something that he disliked. Granted, I mocked him, but that seemed to be the only way to deal with him, short of restricting his wiki access. I leave the ball in the Arbitrator's court, as I believe the facts will speak for themselves. --[[User:Akule|Akule]] 09:39, 20 June 2006 (BST)
:::::And I'd like to point out the simple fact that I would not have bothered with posting on CC talk page ever again all if not for Akule's behavior - what he is doing is basically attempting to fight an in-game conflict first through Resensitized and now (as he has been forbidden from doing that on RS) through the Wiki. --[[User:The Fifth Horseman|The Fifth Horseman]] 12:47, 20 June 2006 (BST)
::::::Like to re-read the PM from TBM, Horseman? It actually said that Akule only had to wait until he can access TMES before the argument can continue. Not that he was forbidden to ever continue on the entire forum. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 13:14, 20 June 2006 (BST)
:::::::In other words, that meant he was forbidden on doing that on the entire forum WITH EXCEPTION of TMES. 
:::::::At that point, Akule he stopped doing that on RS and took it here. TBM had nothing against taking the matter to Private Messages, but it seems Akule takes some perverted satisfaction in doing his "boo-hiss-I-H8T-U" act in front of a larger audience. --[[User:The Fifth Horseman|The Fifth Horseman]] 14:24, 20 June 2006 (BST)
:::::*It seems like I am involved as I was a part of the discussion that eventually lead to all of this, so I will post some evidince. [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Cannibal_Corps#continuing... I stated] that I wasn't going to be talking to you anymore. You continued despite my refusal to discuss things with you, and even escalated things [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Cannibal_Corps#Have_you_got_no_shame_at_all.3F here], by bringing the discussion from the Resensitized board to the wiki ''before'' Akule did. Now, I don't condone his actions beyond that point, but you did bring it to the wiki first. This means that you were hoping that he would bring the argument over here. Aside from the [[Cannibal Corps]] talk page let's look at further evidence at you attempting to escalate matters.
::::::*You took a previously moderated discussion by [[User:Odd_Starter|Odd Starter]] and attempted to reverse the [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User_talk:AnimeSucks#Criterion_9 decision] by posting [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Moderation/Vandal_Banning#AnimeSucks_and_his_alt_accounts here]and [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Moderation/Speedy_Deletions#AnimeSucks.27_alts here]. You knew about the previous moderation when you posted at [[User:AnimeSucks|Anime Sucks]] talk page [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User_talk:AnimeSucks#Umm... here].
::::::*You started making ambiguous statments [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Anti_Cheater_Alliance#Proof.3F here], which seem to do nothing other than to inflame the situation. If you are really serious about quashing the childish discussion, why not actually bring forth any proof rather than making generalities that are designed to instigate matters further?
::::::*Your teammate continued the matter [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User_talk:DarkStar2374383#I_am_asking... here], which seems to point out childish behavior on both sides. Tell me, if you are so above all of this, why is it that you are further instigating things with [[User:DarkStar2374383|DarkStar2374383]] and [[User:Akule|Akule]]? It seems to me that this arbitration could have been avoided if you hadn't brought the situation up to a boil in the first place, and had kept in in PMs like TBM had advised on the Resensitized boards. Instead you brought it here to the Wiki and tried to involve people that weren't even involved with the situation on the Resensitized board and continued the discussion after TBM cautioned you against continuing it in the forum. Thus '''YOU''' started the whole thing here on the Wiki, and are '''EQUALLY''' to blame. Akule shouldn't have followed over here, but probably wouldn't have done so if you hadn't moved the discussion once it was kicked off of a private forum. Arbitrators, I say give them both warnings and be done with it. --[[User:Ahote|Ahote]] 00:38, 21 June 2006 (BST)
::::::: If you want answers...
:::::::* I made the post on Wiki in hope that your "higher-ups" (if there are any - several months ago you denied existence of any higher command structure in CC) would put an end to Akule's harassment of my person and The Abandoned.
:::::::* The user pages had all the marks of additional accounts created to circumvent the deletion. I did not read any posts before posting on AnimeSucks' talk page.	 	:::::::* The question on the Anti-Cheater Alliance talk page doesn't have to do anything with your group. Of course, that didn't stop Akule from flaming me there.
:::::::* Sexypixels has politely asked for the image to be removed, a request he had the right to make. Akule appeared there and flamed him, not forgetting a verbal jab towards my person as well. If not for Akule's flame, it is not very likely Sexypixels would do what he did. Neither I nor any other members of The Abandoned supported his actions. When he posted that image on our forum, I attempted to stop him, but he has already posted it on the Wiki and Resensitized.	:::::::* Prove when, where and how exactly I have been instigating the conflict with Akule and DarkStar.
:::::::* If you claim I have started the conflict on the Wiki, look first at your own and Akule's posts here. My post only contained a requet towards your group to put a stop to Akule's hostile actions, while it was Akule who began actively flaming my person.	
:::::::* Akule had all the opportunity to utilise PMs on Resensitized in order to continue the dispute and his attempts to harass me. Instead, he took it to the Wiki.	
:::::::Thus, while by some criteria I might be considered co-responsible of the situation starting, it was '''your group member''' who continued the flaming and vandalism despite being repeatedly asked to cease. --[[User:The Fifth Horseman|The Fifth Horseman]] 10:10, 21 June 2006 (BST)
::::::::Before this goes any further is there a mutial agreed arbitrator here or or the both of you both just have this nice little arguement by yourselves?--[[User:Vista|Vista]] 16:59, 21 June 2006 (BST)
:::::::::I'll take Option B, thanks Eddie.</obscure reference> {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 17:05, 21 June 2006 (BST)
:::::::::Neither party has any arbitrators in common, nor have they indicated that they are willing to accept someone other than those already listed. {{User:Xoid/sig}} 17:10, 21 June 2006 (BST)
::::::::::So this isn't an arbitration case then. I'm giving them another day were they've have to get an arbitrator, If they don't I'm getting rid of it.--[[User:Vista|Vista]] 11:42, 22 June 2006 (BST)
::::::::::I'm willing to agree on Xoid to arbitrate the case.--[[User:The Fifth Horseman|The Fifth Horseman]] 13:40, 22 June 2006 (BST)
:::::::::::Me? An arbitrator? Arbitration is not really my bag, but I'll do my utmost to be impartial. I'll re-read the entirety of this and start looking into the links. {{User:Xoid/sig}} 13:51, 22 June 2006 (BST)
::::::::::::Heh, you're not even on the list. I can image your surprise.--[[User:Vista|Vista]] 17:04, 22 June 2006 (BST)
::::::::::I'm really new to the wiki, so I didn't really know how to proceed. I thought he was allowed to pick a few, and then I would pick a few. I don't have a problem with Xoid being an Arbitrator, or with Nubis, Odd Starter, or Vista. I figure I didn't do anything worse than he did (with the exception of posting his photo, but then again, I didn't know that was considered wrong here). I don't really feel that Arbitration is necessary, as some of the images I posted will be coming down, and I'll be changing the template back to the original image, since it is protected as an opinion and doesn't violate any rules. --[[User:Akule|Akule]] 17:59, 22 June 2006 (BST)
Actually, I would think that since it is in a community area and since you are attacking another user, it would not be acceptable. But that's just based on what I've seen happen with [[User:Amazing|Amazing]]. {{User:V2Blast/sig}} 21:50, 22 June 2006 (BST)
:What exactly are you referring to, V2Blast? {{User:Xoid/sig}} 11:00, 23 June 2006 (BST)	
::Wikigate. all templates that attacked amazing personally were banned. The templates that attacked his group were allowed, I believe. I'd have to read up on it to be sure about the last part though--[[User:Vista|Vista]] 12:11, 23 June 2006 (BST)
:::'''All''' anti-Amazing templates were deleted? I think you are forgetting about the "Amazing Fan Club" template, while it may not have been obvious about it, it certainly wasn't meant to be a friendly gesture of supporting him. The ASS template was forced to become the much better looking version it is today, and pretty much all of the other templates were to be deleted. {{User:Xoid/sig}} 12:22, 23 June 2006 (BST)
::::Actually, I believe he made that one himself...--[[User:Vista|Vista]] 13:13, 23 June 2006 (BST)
:::::No he didn't. But he didn't quite understand the joke and assumed that it was genuine. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 13:17, 23 June 2006 (BST)
::::::I simply thought he had a sense of humor... who did make that template then?--[[User:Vista|Vista]] 13:22, 23 June 2006 (BST)
:::::::Wasn't it Karlsbad? {{User:BobHammero/Sig}} 18:18, 23 June 2006 (BST)
::::::::He made it all himself, but I was the one who asked him to make it to prove how much I was beyond the mini-blood fued we had.  I didn't know it'd be so, er, unflattering.  I did however edit it as a minor joke/prank to point out his lovely, lovely beard; which may be what {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} remembers. --[[User:Karlsbad|Karlsbad]] 21:05, 23 June 2006 (BST)

===The Ruling===
From the ridiculous amounts of text that I've read, and the countless history revisions that I've gone through; I'd say that this started out as a series of misunderstandings in-game, got heated, was dragged out of the game, continued to escalate, and finally reached boiling point when it hit the wiki. At this stage, I don't think any of you will apologise for your individual parts in contributing to this pointless feud, so instead I am focusing on damage control.

#Akule, AnimeSucks and DarkStar2374383 will not post any messages on [[The Abandoned]]'s talk page, nor will they post any messages on The Fifth Horseman's talk page.
#Akule, AnimeSucks and DarkStar2374383 will not interact with The Fifth Horseman anywhere on this wiki. If you must contact him, it will not be through this wiki.
#The Fifth Horseman will not post any messages on [[Cannibal Corps]]'s talk page, nor will he post any messages on Akule, AnimeSucks, or DarkStar2374383's talk pages.
#The Fifth Horseman will not interact with Akule, AnimeSucks or DarkStar2374383 anywhere on this wiki. If you must contact any of them, it will not be through this wiki.
#{{tl|Laffo5th}} &mdash; the parties will have 24 hours grace to <code>Subst:</code> the template into their user pages if they wish. Once <code>Subst</code>ed in or 24 hours passes, the template will be deleted.
#[[:Image:Laffo5th.gif|Laffo5th.gif]] ''will'' be deleted. If a replacement image is provided that does '''not''' constitute an <u>ad hominem</u> attack on The Fifth Horseman, the replacement may be used without incident. Note that I have not, and will not allow the usage of a photo of The Fifth Horseman, a derivative of his avatar is acceptable, a photo is not.
#All parties may continue to put whatever they wish onto their own User page, as long as it is not forbidden by normal wiki rules.

Violating any of these points will considered an act of vandalism, as already set out by the arbitration page's rules. {{User:Xoid/sig}} 17:55, 24 June 2006 (BST)
:So when should this be archived? {{User:V2Blast/sig}} 19:30, 28 June 2006 (BST)
::Now. {{User:Xoid/sig}} 08:04, 29 June 2006 (BST)