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<pre>
{{Suburb | 

snX= | 
snY= |
suburb_number = |

Suburb_MiniMap = |
mast_coordinates = |

NW_suburb=  |
N_suburb= |
NE_suburb= |

W_suburb = |
E_suburb = |

SW_suburb= |
S_suburb = |
SE_suburb = |

suburb_groups = 
|

Police = |
Fire = |
Hospitals = |
NTs = |
boards = | // default: unknown
Malls = |
Other = 
|
}}
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There is some extra things on this template that would give people some work, like the creation of separate minimap for each suburb. These mini maps would provide some extra work, but i believe we have enough groups people interessed in helping that this task could be easily done.

All groups and other buildings listings should then follow the same standard. No more placing small logos from one groups, and buildings should be listed comma separated and with links (when possible). There is no point linking Junkyards to [[Junkyard]], or Schools to [[School]], since they all end up being redirected to [[Building Types]]. Linking Fort Creedy to [[Fort Creedy]], on other hand, is strongly advised.

==Comments==
* Why is there a link for Malls but none of the other building types? And would it be possible to change the margin from margin:7px to margin:0 0 7px 7px (only margin-bottom and margin-left)? In the Hollomstown example, the headers' horizontal lines can be seen peeking out the right and it is slightly distracting. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 03:43, 23 April 2006 (BST)
** The width change was made because in Internet Explorer and Opera, the Police Departments and Necrotech Buildings appeared to be longer than 110px and forced a word-wrap. I'm failry certain that I am using the default values on both browsers. In order for all visitors to see the same thing, we either need to increase the table cell width or replace the table with a list. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:01, 28 April 2006 (BST)

* About buildings in the "others" category: I'm assuming Stadiums, Cathedrals, Mansions, Power Stations, Forts, the zoo and all those multi-block buildings are going to be included. I also included schools, churches, auto repair and railway stations because they were often already on the suburb page, but I also noticed that people often included monuments and junkyards. Is there any way to come to a standard decision on these? --[[User:Kenny Matthews|Kenny Matthews]] 00:03, 26 April 2006 (BST)
**Monuments and junkyards are something that doesnt need to be listed. Always check a burb map to see if they have a mansion or some other large building. Those would be good to be listed. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 01:39, 27 April 2006 (BST)

* Came across an issue on the [[Roachtown]] page. The denizens in the suburb listed the names of every resource building and linked to pages for them, too. Should the template be made to conform and the links moved to the content of the suburb page? --[[User:Kenny Matthews|Kenny Matthews]] 07:34, 26 April 2006 (BST)
**Leave the wikicode for these building in that burb talk page. Leave the that burb denizens handle where they are going to place that kind of info (i only hope they dont place it inside the suburb template). --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 01:39, 27 April 2006 (BST)
***Alright, can do. =) --[[User:Kenny Matthews|Kenny Matthews]] 15:58, 27 April 2006 (BST)

*There's a problem with the [[Havercroft]] page.  The suburbs along the north of the map don't appear as blocks.  --[[User:Ron Burgundy|Ron Burgundy]] 20:49, 26 April 2006 (BST)
** It's not a problem per se...it's just that the blocks north of that haven't been redone yet and therefore don't have a danger template assigned. They will become nice and square as soon as their templates and danger level pages are updated. --[[User:Kenny Matthews|Kenny Matthews]] 21:04, 26 April 2006 (BST)
***So the danger level needs to be updated before everything will match up?  I did [[Shearbank]] and the eight surrounding suburbs, but most of the danger levels don't match the current suburbs page.  Did I miss something, or is that how it works? --[[User:Dickie Fux|Dickie Fux]] 00:52, 28 April 2006 (BST)

==East Becktown Compliance==
Hi there, if you check out [[East Becktown]], you'll see some additional information that I'd like to be able to pass through this Template. 
* '''Schools are Essential Buildings.''' Don't blame me, blame the [[Uniform Barricading Policy]]. Anyway, schools should be broken out as separate. Spraycans for everyone!
* '''Put in a default Barricade Level blurb.''' Ideally, suburb maintainers would have some sort of parameter that they could pass through to override this text, if they wanted. 
**Below PS/FS/H/NT/Sch and above Malls: ''The above buildings are resource buildings, and should be [[Entryway|enterable from the street]]. Do not barricade these buildings above very strongly. ''
**After building list: ''Malls, phone masts, and non-resource buildings should be extremely heavily barricaded unless otherwise noted.''
**''For additional details, see [[East Becktown]]'s Barricade Policy [[User:BarricadePolicy/East Becktown|here]]''
:(As you can see, I'm proposing something like: <nowiki>see {{PAGENAME}}'s Barricade Policy [[User:BarricadePolicy/{{PAGENAME}}|here]].</nowiki>
* '''Cemeteries should be counted.''' A nod to the [[Sacred Ground Policy]], which has a lot of support. 
* '''Larger font & link width for the Danger Report.''' Maybe this is just me, but the Danger Report link is miniscule on my monitor, and I'd link more than the word <span style="color:RoyalBlue; text-decoration:underline; font-size:80%">here</span>.
Thanks for the help!! --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] <sup>[[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup> 18:00, 28 April 2006 (BST)

There are many different barricading stances and the template can't be conformed to meet each of their definitions of what a resource building or ideal entryway is. For the most part, there is agreement that Police Depts, Hospitals, NTs, and complexes are noteworthy. Schools can easily be noted in the Other section.<br><br>I'm kind of the opinion that Barricading Policy is better left to the main body of text. A template is somewhat rigid in what information can be passed through and it might be difficult to list various exceptions.<br><br>I do, however, agree that the Danger Report might benefit from being more visible. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:01, 28 April 2006 (BST)

==Style Issues==
Mrh?

===Group Flags===
They're generally about 25px x 25px - though several have exceeded this size. Unless a table or filler image is created, they ruin the "aesthetically pleasing" listing of group names. Without someone watching over the size or content of these flags, I'm of the opinion that we just do away with them and rid ourselves of a potential headache-maker. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:57, 27 April 2006 (BST)
:i think that this flags could be taken away. If a group want people to see their flag, they should place one in their group page. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 20:10, 28 April 2006 (BST)

===Phone Mast Names===
I'm under the impression that we should follow the standards established by the [[Project:Location Style Guide|Location Style Guide]]. However, that does leave an opening for how to address multi-block buildings (Ackland Mall) and non-descript buildings (factories, warehouses, etc).
#<nowiki>[[Factory 12,34]]</nowiki>
#<nowiki>[[Factory 12,34|a factory]]</nowiki>
#a <nowiki>[[Factory 12,34|factory]]</nowiki>
--[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:57, 27 April 2006 (BST)

*I would go with option 2, only because all buildings preceded by "the" are generally done in the same way on locations pages. --[[User:Kenny Matthews|Kenny Matthews]] 05:32, 1 May 2006 (BST)

===Phone Mast Coordinates===
I feel that the coordinates should reflect the GPS coordinates ingame. Single digits aren't prefixed with a zero. No spacing between commas. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:57, 27 April 2006 (BST)

===Partial Multiblock Structures===
There appears to be a mixed practice of either stating "western half/eastern half" or "part of". I think the former is more informative, if a bit wordy. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:57, 27 April 2006 (BST)
:I think the best thing to do is just place [[Caiger Mall]], not [[Caiger Mall|Western side of Caiger Mall. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 01:10, 28 April 2006 (BST)

===No Buildings===
If there are no certain Resource Buildings in the suburb do we use '0' or 'none'? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:01, 28 April 2006 (BST)

*I've used "0" for nameless resource buildings and "none" for malls only because one is normally a number field and one is a text field; I'm open to a more unified approach to this, though. --[[User:Kenny Matthews|Kenny Matthews]] 05:34, 1 May 2006 (BST)

:*Actually, that approach ("0" for resource, "none" for Mall) seems unified (makes the most sense) to me. Or the Mall field could simply give direction and distance to the nearest mall(s). --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] <sup>[[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup> 06:00, 1 May 2006 (BST)

===Map is broken.===

I haven't seen the map working properly on a single page so far. Every suburb has at least one neighbor with a broken table cell. --[[User:Aiden Hodder|Aiden H]] <sup>[[The 4-H|4H]]</sup> 19:58, 29 April 2006 (BST)

:The transition is not ready yet. But there should be plenty of converted suburbs. See if [[Ridleybank]] works. If it doesn't, then we might have a problem. --{{User:Brizth/sig}} 20:01, 29 April 2006 (BST)

::This feature is not yet ready. Once we finish changing all suburbs to the new template we will start working with the mini map; --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 20:53, 29 April 2006 (BST)

===RadioFreq===

How about adding some standard Radio Frequency on every suburb? It could use the [[Radio Map]] and/or {{tl|RadioFreq}}. I just started thinking that when watching [[Pennville]] history logs. --[[User:Niilomaan|Niilomaan]] 11:16, 5 June 2006 (BST)
:Does every suburb already have a dedicated/semi-dedicated frequency? If so, then I'm sure I could fold in a place for that. Also, Niilomaan, you may wish to try a template that I <s>blatantly stole</s> borrowed from Uncyclopedia: <tt>{{tl|tl}}</tt> {{User:Xoid/sig}} 11:30, 5 June 2006 (BST)
::Uuu... New shiny things for me! Neat. I'll give it a spin. --[[User:Niilomaan|Niilomaan]] 19:43, 5 June 2006 (BST)

===External Map Link===

Think we should change this link to the map hosted at Red Rum? --{{User:Mia Kristos/sig}} 02:48, 14 August 2006 (BST)
:The Red Rum map currently seems to be prefered due to its being more feature rich. Has any level of commitment to longevity been expressed by Red Rum? Would they themselves have any bandwidth concerns? --[[User:Dunnigan Taggart|Dunnigan Taggart]] 03:05, 14 August 2006 (BST)
::Um...I'm going to say Yes.  Sirens is even working on a new feature to allow viewing two or four suburbs side by side.  And they're also listed on the main menu. --{{User:Mia Kristos/sig}} 03:44, 14 August 2006 (BST)

:::I got bored, so I changed the link. Redrum is linked to by the FAQ, and it includes billboards, which the other maps don't. Feel free to PK me if I did something wrong! --[[User:Saxsux|&#39;&#39;&#39;&#91;&#91;User:Saxsux&#124;saxsux]]&#39;&#39;&#39;&lt;sup&gt;&#91;&#91;MalTel]]&lt;/sup&gt;]] 20:55, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

===Top Link===
I would like to propose that the link at the top of the template be chaged to the following form. '''[[Suburb]] of [http://www.visitmalton.info/index.php?suburb=1 Dakerstown]'''

<pre><nowiki>'''[[Suburb]] of [http://externalmaplink{{{suburb_number}}} {{PAGENAME}}]'''</nowiki></pre>
This would provide a simple method of navigation to areas surrounding the nine suburbs currently shown. --[[User:Dunnigan Taggart|Dunnigan Taggart]] 03:05, 14 August 2006 (BST)
:Good idea. I'll go ahead and do that. {{User:BobHammero/Sig}} 23:34, 20 August 2006 (BST)

===MiniMap===
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<center><small>Resource Buildings in Ridleybank</small></center>

I was scrolling through categories and I saw [[User:MiniMap/Ridleybank|this]] and it got me to digging trying to figure out what it was from. That led me to [[Template:MiniMap]] and then to here. I'm thinking it's probably time for another large update project for these page templates, switching the generic gray image for each suburbs' resource minimap. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 10:46, 14 July 2008 (BST)

== Minimap colouration ==

Theeeere we go. Despite 3 horrendously cocked-up inbetween edits, I finally succeeded in making the colours on the suburb minimap actually visible. New "style templates" are [[Template:MinimapOrange]] and [[Template:MinimapGreen]]. hope I'm not stepping on anybody's toes. [[User:Rawling|Rawling]] 18:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

== [[Iwitness]] link? ==
I'd done it before, but somebody didn't like how it rendered.  It seems logical to me to have a link to all accessible Iwitness records made in the suburb.  That might seem like "advertising', but there is already a link to the soulfire / redrum map - I don't see the difference.  I forget what the link was, but I know it worked and depended on using the suburb number variable, so needed to be placed in this template - or else manually installed on each of 100 pages.  If it was wanted, I could easily figure it out again.  {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 14:18, 12 September 2007 (BST)

:you can add a link to the iwitness tool at the bottom of the template, right below the phone mast coordinates. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 18:52, 15 September 2007 (BST)

== Maintenance & Guidelines for group listings ==

These are out of control, and seem an open invitation to edit wars because there are ZERO guidelines.  I think wee need some official guidelines as to what groups can / should be listed in what categories, and maintenance to remove potentially out-of date information.  These guidelines should be easily accessible in a link displayed wherever the template is used.  Below are some topics for conversation.
==="Active in the Suburb"===
What does this mean?  There are groups with less than 10 members that list themselves as active in multiple suburbs.  I think that's bullshit.  Thats not group activity in a suburb, that's a couple people using a group name in that burb.  If you don't have 10 members in the burb (enough to show up as a group on the stats page) you shouldn't claim to be acting as a group in the suburb, at least not in the sense that it should go in this template, which IMO should be a condensed report of significant, major activity. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 17:46, 4 July 2008 (BST)
:I disagree with this. PK groups sometimes do not have their members use the group title. In DORIS we do not force nor encourage the use of the name. We do, however, keep a list of ever member under our Signature page. But groups that have less than 10 members, or consider themselves "classified" (another words for "hay guyz we haz onry 1-2 guyz lol) should not be in more than one suburb. There is also those groups that say they're there and a week later move on and forget to remove themselves. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]]  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 20:36, 4 July 2008 (BST)
::I diagree for diffferent reasons. Although a lot of people fall into the magical impassible suburb border mindset, some smaller groups can operate across 1,2 or even 4. For instance [[M.E.R.C.Y.]] Operate in the NW of vinetown and over its borders to a cluster of TRP's. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:45, 4 July 2008 (BST)

==="Pro Survivor"===
What does this mean?  If a group is in this category, IMO it should mean they do not kill survivors except under a few limited circumstance, and make an active effort to aid survivors in- well, surviving.  {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 17:46, 4 July 2008 (BST)
:Should just be groups that use the Human Groups category. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]]  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 20:36, 4 July 2008 (BST)
::Lose the pro. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:46, 4 July 2008 (BST)

==="Zombie Groups"===
There doesn't seem to be much controversy here.  Anybody wanna expand on this?  {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 17:46, 4 July 2008 (BST)
==="Hostile Groups"===
WTF, hostile to who, centaurs?  I suppose a group composed of survivors that does not actively aid survivors (such as certain PK / trenchcoat / bounty hunter groups) might go here?  {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 17:46, 4 July 2008 (BST)
:WTFCENTAURS (wow...not many people remember this meme or Buddhist Monks on Fire meme) Hostile should just be PKer groups. I've never seen nor heard of any real dedicated GKer groups. It seems like something only a couple of groups have ever done. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]]  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 20:39, 4 July 2008 (BST)

===Image Size===
Should the 25x25px thing be an official guideline?  {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 17:46, 4 July 2008 (BST)
:YUSS --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]]  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 20:39, 4 July 2008 (BST)
::+1 --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:47, 4 July 2008 (BST)

===Removing Groups===
I think ALL groups should be swept out regularly.  Perhaps on the 1st of each month we could sweep them all out?  Probably a bot could even be set up to do this.<br>Also, and listed group that does not have a link to an existing wiki page should be removed.  There's no reason to list the group there if you don;t provide information about the group.  {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 17:46, 4 July 2008 (BST)
:I don't think wipe every month but agree to the second part on no wiki page. If they haven't been active in the suburb in over a month then wipe them. Most active groups post on their group page or suburb page about their activity in the suburb. If they can't do that then they're not active. Or they can post on the talk page every month to show activity under that little banner made below --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]]  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 20:44, 4 July 2008 (BST)

==Official cleaning==
So a project on hand eh? First of all a cleaning is in order. When I cleaned up Vinetown I posted on talkpages a simple are you active? Question after a month without reply i removed tehm, left a message stating that and placed a short news piece on the suburb page. SOmething like ''The following groups appear to have dissapeared from this region. Im mopre than happy to help this.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:51, 4 July 2008 (BST)


In relation to above. Hostile is just rubbish. PK groups? Very few groups only GK so a PK/GK slot seems better.

In terms of guidelines I'd say the groups main affiliation is only listed. If a survivor group also bounty hunts, its still a survivor group primarily. Dual natured groups? Both categories or a seperate one? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:55, 4 July 2008 (BST)

How about this {{Template:Group Active?}} --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:05, 4 July 2008 (BST)
:This is in response to this message and Swier's one above about the same matter. I think this method is better, at least give the groups a chance to confirm their activity. Plus the template could be used to categorise groups in danger of being removed, allowing people to sweep the category and remove any who've had the template for too long. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 19:16, 4 July 2008 (BST)
::good idea, forgot about categories. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:03, 4 July 2008 (BST)
:::I for one support this. I am tired of looking at pages with 25 survivor groups. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]]  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 20:11, 4 July 2008 (BST)
::::Thats the problem. Why cant they all horde like the zeds. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:14, 4 July 2008 (BST)
:::::Because every survivor wants to be the leader of a super cool, badass, mysterious, pseudo-military, politically-charged, religious group. They are internet tought guys, or as we call them in UD, trenchcoaters. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]]  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 20:30, 4 July 2008 (BST)
::::::Don't forget drama club. Who are mad. and how do you define qsg? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:39, 4 July 2008 (BST)
:::::::Put'em under survivor and zombie. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]]  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 20:49, 4 July 2008 (BST)
::::::::Id agree. better to be in two out of three, rather than mini cats for each individual group. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:51, 4 July 2008 (BST)
Cat is now part of template. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:51, 4 July 2008 (BST)
:I don't see how it saves any work.  I know I'm sure as hell not gonna look at a list of group names and try and figure out what suburb page(s) each one is listed on, so I can go remove them!  {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 01:23, 5 July 2008 (BST)
::Lord, are we getting technical? I don't know. Should this be like a wiki policy or something? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:32, 5 July 2008 (BST)

== [[The Great Suburb Group Massacre]] ==

Hows this for a first draft? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:01, 11 July 2008 (BST)

Hey guys, after a group is confirmed can we can edit the post with the template to feature {{Group Active!}} so that it removes them from the category?  Just tell whomever replies that they can edit the template post to <pre>{{Group Active!}}</pre> (just change the ? to an !) and it will put up a different template. This way you don't have to go back and check it again and it cleans up nicely. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 05:35, 18 August 2008 (BST)