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==[[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal Banning/Archive/2008 08|August 2008]]==

===[[User:Ellaandcharlie]]===
{{vndl|Ellaandcharlie}}

Call me petty, drown me in abuse and [[Soft warnings|meaningless bullshit]] but i shall not end my quest to bring the rule breakers of the UD wiki to justice! This time i have on offer a user showing blatant disregard for [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Signature_Policy#Required_Link|the wiki's signature policy]] in an attempt to spread mayhem and confusing accross this [[Malton|Great Land]]. No matter how many [[User_talk:Ellaandcharlie|times i drew the vandalism to the user's attention]], she would not stop, assaulting [[User_talk:J3D#my_original_signature|my own talk page]] with her vandal spree. Sysops of the wiki, i humlby beg thee! Do not write off my plea for help as yet more clique related drama, for [[User:WanYao|other users]] and [[User:Finis Valorum|fucking cunts]] have been similarly effected by the rash actions of this pilot of evil.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:13, 25 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:Matthewfarenheit]]===
{{vndl|Matthewfarenheit}}

I obviously commited vandalism by continually trying to help newbies as we can see on my contributions [[Special:Contributions/Matthewfarenheit|here]], comparable to those of [[User:Airborne88|Airborne88]]. I even created the nefarious [[Template:Welcomenewbie]] page and its accessory [[Template:Welcomenewbie?]], in order to emphathize, improve and standarize the repetitive and obviously evil process of showing a suspected new user the ropes, and trying to actively improve the wiki while wading the most ignorant kinds of criticism, mostly coming from [[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob240]] and [[User:Karek|Karek]], and just these guys probably because [[User:Grim_s|Grim s]] was hiding under a rock somewhere at the time, who knows? Aditionally, and because I want to eliminate any chance that this report may not be taken seriously and not dealt with the correspondant vandal escalation, I welcomed an OBVIOUSLY experienced user (yeah, he obviously knows all what's there to know about the wiki, sure) [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Grim_s&diff=1257629&oldid=1255718 here]. Finally, I may be mocking the page by making this report.

I request all edits made on this fashion by me and the other several welcomers be deleted as per precedent [[UDWiki:Administration/Deletions#All_These|here]], as any of these were obviously made with the main objective of raising my own link count and my stance on the [[Signature Race]], even when the aformentioned template predates the project by around 10 months (that's how far ahead I plan my conspirations, mind you), and were meant to raise my edit count to the tens of thousands with crappy contributions that not even have the weight of the oh so many unjustified spam votes on the suggestions pages. Also I request my creations, the Welcomenewbie templates, to be deleted as any vandal created page. I hereby renounce and disown my several attempts to improve a wiki that, by the actions of a reigning minority scaring any friendly and contributive user that came unless they were liked by them, has become a place full of idiots, assholes and generally speaking, people that it's not worth helping anymore.

Dance people dance, finally your assholeness won. Permaban me as I will commit several acts of petty vandalism unless (and until) you permaban this account. Do not panic, tough, as I will cease to create alts accounts when my main account is finally permabanned. Yet another [[User:Gold Blade|vandal]] is created, not by his own circunstances, but by the same people that is meant to help the userbase. And please, do waste your fingerprints replying something to me as if the final word had to be yours: I won't bother to read. --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 22:47, 24 August 2008 (BST)
:Try actually scrolling through those welcomings instead of trolling A/VB and committing vandalism in the process. Cause see, that(what you reported yourself for) wasn't but this report ''is''.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 00:55, 25 August 2008 (BST)
::<s>P.s. Are you actually trying to make the point that him welcoming users that obviously left years ago even though he's well informed on how to check isn't vandalism?--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 00:57, 25 August 2008 (BST)</s><small>Why ask a question if he's not going to address it.</small>
:Matt, you clearly didnt read either the case, or his motivation for spamming those pages. It wasnt to welcome users, it was an attempt to win the signature race. And to do so he was spamming pages of users that hadnt posted in years, or even ever posted. A sad, pathetic tantrum on your part. I am sorely tempted to fulfil your request for a permaban under part 6 of [[A/G]]'s "When a user may be warned or banned". --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 04:18, 25 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:Airborne88]]===
{{vndl|Airborne88}}

[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAirborne88&diff=1256571&oldid=1256564 Impersonation].--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:05, 24 August 2008 (BST)
:Oh god this is petty. It's his talk page, and he's just drawing more attention to his own warnings by putting the usual warning image in there. '''Not vandalism'''. He didn't change the meaning of Grims words in any way <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 06:24 24 August 2008 (BST)</small>
:'''Not vandalism''' - Fuck thats petty of you J3D. Stop shitting up the admin pages with garbage. This is your final warning. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 07:14, 24 August 2008 (BST)
::Oh fuck off. You may disagree with a report but making a report of vandalism (regardless of how petty) is not 'shitting up admin pages'. I happen to feel he got off too lightly from making 500 spam pages and as that only gets him 1 warning i figured i'd pursue this. You might think it's petty (it is) but it ''is'' against the rules and thus bringing it here is not shitting this page up.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:55, 24 August 2008 (BST)
::::Heh, well I would have agreed with you that a soft warning wasn't really necessary, or appropriate in this case, until you told us your motivation for making this report. He got his warning for that last case, let's leave it at that and give him a chance to move on <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 11:04 24 August 2008 (BST)</small>
:::He didnt alter the content of my post, his response to your request for the hand picture makes it patently obvious to anyone with half a brain that he added it himself as the standard decoration that accompanies most warnings (It essentially claims responsibility). What he did was not against the rules, and your making petty baseless cases against an individual because, by your own words, you feel he got off too light on another case, '''is''' an abuse of this page. Now shape up or ship out. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 10:48, 24 August 2008 (BST)
::::The fact that boxy would have agreed with me demonstrates the case had a degree of merit. I'll report all the fucking degree of merit cases i want. And please guys, if you think people report vandalism because it makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside get your head out of your ass and look one case below. People report vandalism because they don't like the actions of others and want to see them get busted for it, and, if the sysop calling the case agrees they hey, you might just get lucky. Once again, case below. You shape up Grim and start calling things on merit not on who you do and do not like. Third time, case below.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:51, 24 August 2008 (BST)
:::::Honestly, how children spend their spare time these days...go read a book, or something. Both of you. [[User:Illusionist|Illusionist]] 17:16, 24 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:Nallan]]===
{{vndl|Nallan}}

Well I originally didn't plan on bringing this here, but a couple friends really pushed me to put this up. Made some threats of violence and death on [[User talk:Techercizer|My Talk Page]].{{User:Techercizer/Sig}} 16:42, 22 August 2008 (BST)
:Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure we have precedent for this. If I am indeed correct, I rule this to be '''vandalism''' meaning that this would be a '''week ban''' for Nick. I'm going to wait for a second opinion though as I might be wrong. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:38, 22 August 2008 (BST)
::Sarcasm? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 00:01, 23 August 2008 (BST)
:::My sarcasm sensing section switches off round about 10 o'clock at night, especially if I've been working all day. :P I'm too damn tired to think. I'll re-read it in the morning when I'm awake enough to process it. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:17, 23 August 2008 (BST)
::::Reading sarcasm in writing is hard. I mean, I could be sarcastic right now and you wouldn't know it. I am going to look for precedent, although I think it was with attack-templates. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 00:25, 23 August 2008 (BST)
:::::If there is precedent on attack templates then that little lover's tiff on Grim's talk page needs to be addressed since he himself said if there was anything wrong with attack templates he would have A/VB'd everyone. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 16:43, 23 August 2008 (BST)

If this is ruled vandalism as a death threat then we have to ban everyone that says go fuck yourself as rapists. Tech, don't be so easily influenced by others. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 03:19, 23 August 2008 (BST)
:Nonsense Nubis. Threats of IRL physical harm should not be made here, even in jest. There is a fairly huge gulf here between what was done and the normal background hostility to which you refer. This crosses the line by a huge distance. '''Vandalism''' --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 03:51, 23 August 2008 (BST)
::What is wrong with you people?  This isn't even a death threat. If anything it is a warning. Let's look at this carefully. 
{{quote|2=My friend wants to fight you irl, just a heads up.|3='''Nick said'''}}
Just a heads up sounds like a warning to me. Something you would say to someone to ''prevent'' a fight. People yell '''"Heads up"''' when they throw balls. If they were trying to hit some one with it they wouldn't yell "Heads up".
{{quote|2=You should contact him - he's got heaps big pecs... and shit...|3='''Nick said'''}}
'''You should contact him''' sounds like he is saying why not work out this issue or misunderstanding? You two need to talk. 
And the "heaps big pecs" I dunno, but I try not to judge the gays. 
{{quote|2=Good for him? You don't even need to ask me if I give a crap, cuz I don't.|3='''Techercizer said'''}}
Your friend may or may not be hot. That doesn't impress me.
{{quote|2=Ok. I won't :) You should really speak to him - he's been to prison. He had like 6 bitches.|3='''Nick? said'''}}
The first part is Nick saying Sorry to hear about your constipation. He even puts a fucking smiley face!  The last part is him explaining where the "heaps big pecs" came from since most people that do time come out in better shape than they went in. 
{{quote|2=Or, I could completely ignore his trolling ass and not give a crap about who he is or what he does. As a matter of fact, I'll do just that.|3='''Techercizer said'''}}
This is Tech acknowledging that this is just a troll and saying that he doesn't care. Not sure where the "fear for his life" is in this post. Not finding the "concern about being threatened" in this post. Actually, this is one of the more intelligent things he's posted.
{{quote|2=Your funeral - nice knowing you.|3='''Nick? said'''}}
Slang - like smell you later or peace out. 
{{quote|2=AHEM... Death threats, WTF?? I don't fucking care if this is some kind of a "joke"... this crosses the line...|3='''WanYao said'''}}
Oh look who it is!  Color me so surprised! 
::'''Not Vandalism''' --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 16:41, 23 August 2008 (BST)

Wow... Petty case is '''extremely''' petty, and this is coming from [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2008_07#User:Sexylegsread me]. If that's a death threat then I'm a real life PKer that yells "Tag! Yer it!" before executing my victims.--{{User:WOOT/sig}} 17:59, 23 August 2008 (BST)

'''Not Vandalism''' ^ --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 18:41, 23 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:BERKMAN FRICK]]===
{{vndl|BERKMAN FRICK}}

[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Clean_Air_Reclamators&diff=1255607&oldid=1254325 Moar Vandalism] of the same page as before. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 09:38, 22 August 2008 (BST)
:Oh. '''Warned''' --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 05:35, 24 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:Ellaandcharlie]]===
{{vndl|Ellaandcharlie}}

"Ellaandcharlie" made a completely unjustified and unwelcome edit to a suggestion that is not theirs, [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3ASuggestions&diff=1254699&oldid=1254690 here]. 

Originally, this user made a carbon copy of my suggestion [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3ASuggestions&diff=1253864&oldid=1253849 here]... only a couple of words were changed. To avoid confusion, I changed the heading adding "spoof version" [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3ASuggestions&diff=1253864&oldid=1253849 here] and justified it. If the suggestor wished to change this, fine... But I think my justification speaks for itself... However, they had ''no right whatsoever'' to make any change whatsoever to my version. 

(And, finally... Just a note... Don't give me the "you should do this on this their talk pages" or "you're spamming up the Admin pages with frivolous cases" thing. i.e., Nubis... a) There is no reason I should have to talk to this TROLL.  Period. b) It's not frivolous, it's impersonation. c) I'm going to bring these cases here to ''make you do your jobs'', i.e. warn people making non-constructive, spammy, bad faith edits that just harm the wiki and the community that tries to use it. You think that's wrong? Then ''ban me''...) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 03:47, 22 August 2008 (BST)
:I'd just like to add this one quick point... I considered bringing the original edit -- the Ctrl-C-ed version of my suggestion -- here as a vandalism case. However, I did not... I merely made a differentiation between the two versions, typed one response short, neutral reponse into the "Discussion" section... Then ignored the whole thing. All in an attempt to ''avoid making drama and not to bring up a "frivolous" VB case"''... However, since the drama obviously did not end there... Here we are. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 04:04, 22 August 2008 (BST)

'''Withdrawn''' ... Yawn. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:58, 23 August 2008 (BST)

:'''Vandalism by Wan Yao''' based on the Ioncannon precedent of changing Tech's headline on his suggestion. [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1254577 Here] is Wan Yao changing the header on another person's suggestion.

<div style="font-family: monospace; background-color: #fafafa; padding: 12px; margin: 16px 3px; border: 1px dashed #dddddd;">''Irony -
[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3ASuggestions&diff=1240500&oldid=1240499 This], I'm pretty sure it was ruled that changing headers is vandalism/impersonation, and this is clearly not in good faith.{{User:Techercizer/Sig}} 18:51, 6 August 2008 (BST)
:Burn the witch!!! --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 19:41, 6 August 2008 (BST)''</div>

:'''Warned'''--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 03:23, 24 August 2008 (BST)
::If that is true, shouldn't Ellaandcharlie be warned too? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 05:31, 24 August 2008 (BST)
:::No one should have been warned for this. Perhaps Ellaancharlie could have got one, but it was withdrawn, so... as wan says, yawn. I don't know where Nubis got a warning for Wan out of all this, and nothing for E&C. Basically, E&C created a section that was almost exactly the same suggestion as Wan's below it. The headers were exactly the same, so people who were looking for replies to Wan's on recent changes would be take directly to the spoof version instead. Changing the headers to correct something like that is entirely a good faith edit, unless it is done in an insulting way (as was done in the precedent quoted above). '''Not Vandalism''' by Wan, and I vote that the warning be struck <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 06:11 24 August 2008 (BST)</small>
::::Oh, and I just changed your quoting above, Nubis, to make it obvious that things were being quoted. It was very hard to understand who said what in that post <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 06:13 24 August 2008 (BST)</small>
Im going to agree with boxy here. Its completely good faith. Also, when two sections have the same title, and you edit the second one, the page will always drop you on the first one whenn it loads. While there are ways to seperate the two in direct linking, the wiki software doesnt do it post edit. Adding something to make it distinctive is a good way around this. Also, while the rule generally means "Dont do it", it is still allowed to do trivvial edits such as the above to clarify the situation. Coincidentally this happens to be such a case. '''Not vandalism''' on Wan's part. Nubis's ruling is hereby overruled 2-1 and the warning struck. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 07:06, 24 August 2008 (BST)


Oh, my mistake. I forgot Wan is a golden child on here. Why was I thinking that the rules were the same for everyone? --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 13:24, 24 August 2008 (BST)
:If you actually gave a shit, Nubis, about "consistency", justice, and the rules applying to everyone -- as you so self-righteously proclaim -- then you'd have, at the VERY least, slapped a vandalism warning on both myself AND Ellaandcharlie. However, your actions demonstrate very clearly that your motive was to squelch criticism of your pro-troll ethos and to take a personal potshot at someone with whom you do not agree -- by "making an example of them". No, your vandal warning was nothing but bullying... serving your own, clearly biased and self-serving interests. ''And you fucking know it.'' But, I've said elsewhere, "The lack of any ethical or professional compass here is pretty clear to me... if not to others..." --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 22:23, 24 August 2008 (BST)

:This is very silly. I merely saw this as Mr.Yao's bad faith edit of ella's suggestion, and it would be best if both suggestions were differentiated. I do not dispute the fact no one was warned. I merely giggle at Mr.Yao's silly attempt at accusing ella of vandalism for doing a nice faithly edit, identical to his but less offensive. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 07:07, 25 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:Airborne88]]===
{{vndl|Airborne88}}

This is ridiculous. There's way too many to list, check his [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Special:Contributions/Airborne88 contributions]. He's been welcoming pretty much everyone, users that have user contribs starting in and ending in 2006. Read through [[User_talk:Airborne88#ALiM]] and the section below where he outlines his reasoning. This ''is'' bad faith, this ''is'' spamming, and this ''is not'' some help the newbies gimmick that generally serves as the excuse for the horrible Welcome Newbie project. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 14:11, 21 August 2008 (BST)
:Agreed. This is just spamming. The server is already creaking under the load as a result of this kind of shit. '''Vandalism''', ''"Warned''' --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 14:52, 21 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:BERKMAN FRICK]]===
{{vndl|BERKMAN FRICK}}

[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Clean_Air_Reclamators&curid=76540&diff=1254219&oldid=1183210 well,] [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Clean_Air_Reclamators&curid=76540&diff=1254220&oldid=1254219 I'm] glad the A/VB page is working again, as I spotted some vandalism a while ago.{{User:Techercizer/Sig}} 18:52, 20 August 2008 (BST)
:'''Warned''' <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 03:13 21 August 2008 (BST)</small>

===[[User:ETHANCOLE1]]===
{{vndl|ETHANCOLE1}}

All edits are to an enemy group's page, plus uploading an image against one of their members <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 08:56 20 August 2008 (BST)</small>
:OK, I've '''warned''' him myself, seeing as it's an obvious case <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 03:07 21 August 2008 (BST)</small>

===[[User:Obvious bad faith]]===
{{vndl|Obvoius bad faith}} 

Yet another WikiNews Goatse.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:33, 19 August 2008 (BST)
:Ok guys... Time to get in contact with the proxies (if possible) and trace it to buddy's ISP... It's obviously one person doing this... Get his interwebz cut off, and his daddy might beat him some more, and we'll all be happy. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 01:37, 19 August 2008 (BST)
::Stop dog-piling please, there is no need to comment on each case. This guy has been perma'd.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:38, 19 August 2008 (BST)
:::He keeps coming back though. I don't think he's perma banned just yet.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:39, 19 August 2008 (BST)
::::And we will deal with it when he comes back. Don't need all the additional commentary though. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:41, 19 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:Il roche]]===
{{vndl|Il roche}}

Preemptive strike. He uploaded an image.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 00:30, 19 August 2008 (BST)
:<s>What did he put in my talk????? Protect all of my pages please, and I know this is not the place to ask for this.</s>--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 00:31, 19 August 2008 (BST)
:No. I need my pages I have work to do on them still.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 00:40, 19 August 2008 (BST)

'''Blocked'''. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 00:33, 19 August 2008 (BST)
:Why are none of these vandals being put on A/VD?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:11, 19 August 2008 (BST)
::Permbanned users don't need recording on A/VD, it is only there to keep track of vandal escalations. You can't escalate past a permban, so recording them achieves nothing but to fill the page up more than it is already <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 02:17 19 August 2008 (BST)</small>
:::I did think about that but it seems a fair few of them are on there anyway, the guy above me on the list has like 30 alts listed all permaed.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 02:38, 19 August 2008 (BST)
::::If we get proof of who it is they will be added to that account and dealt with. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 22:48, 19 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:Awkward Duckling]]===
{{vndl|Awkward Duckling}}

Check his contribs, preemptive ban on the image he uploaded, but I'd advise against looking at it. He's obviously going to vandalize a page with it.{{User:Techercizer/Sig}} 00:14, 19 August 2008 (BST)
:FUCKING GOATSE! BAN HIM NOW!--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 00:16, 19 August 2008 (BST)
::Looks like he's hit the Wiki News page. Can't say I didn't see it coming and warn yall...{{User:Techercizer/Sig}} 00:17, 19 August 2008 (BST)
::Why the fuck is Gman making these accounts? Techercizer, I read your warning too late. He is a sick fuck...--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 00:18, 19 August 2008 (BST)
:::Well acting angry and emotional about it isn't gonna discourage him, just ignore him except for tracking and reporting his alts, and he'll go away. People like him don't get enough attention in their lives, so they try to get it online by acting out.{{User:Techercizer/Sig}} 00:23, 19 August 2008 (BST)

Blocked. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 00:20, 19 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User: Secruss]]===
{{vndl|Secruss}}

[[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AThe_Fortress&diff=1250333&oldid=1239135 isn't]] [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AZerg_Hunters_Unlimited&diff=1250126&oldid=816821 there]] [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AU.S._ARMY_INFANTRY&diff=1250124&oldid=1250088 a]] [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AArmy_Control_Corps&diff=1250120&oldid=1250082 rule]] [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AThe_Crimson_Clan&diff=1250095&oldid=1236571 about]] [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3ADunell_Hills_Police_Department&diff=1250094&oldid=1248778 NOT]] [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AThe_Randoms&diff=1250093&oldid=1248644 spaming]] [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AU.S._ARMY_INFANTRY&diff=1250124&oldid=1232185 pages]][[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3ASouth_Malton_Watch&diff=1249496&oldid=1238229 on]] [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMalhalla&diff=1249493&oldid=1238231 this]] [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AGrayside_Demons&diff=1249492&oldid=1238232 wiki]] [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3ASt%C3%A4ndige_Vertretung&diff=1249491&oldid=1245366 With]] [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3ADetulux_Inc&diff=1249490&oldid=1238233 event]] [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AYoyodyne_Zombie_Research_Institute&diff=1249488&oldid=1246773 advertisements]] [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AGDI%2C_Phoenix_Division&diff=1249486&oldid=1225074 like]] [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AThird_Echelon&diff=1249485&oldid=1228181 that]] [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3ABlack_Brigade&diff=1249484&oldid=1234957 5th]] [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AUmbrella_Corporation&diff=1249483&oldid=1236892 of]] [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3A151st_Brigade&diff=1249482&oldid=1224614 November]] [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3ABOW&diff=1249480&oldid=1248003 Dude]] [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AHaven&diff=1249478&oldid=1233751 used]] [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMalton_Department_of_Defense&diff=1249477&oldid=1239176 Do?]]  Cause seriously there's prolly twenty more of these admverts he's been spamming all over.  Go look at his user contributions.--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 23:56, 18 August 2008 (BST)
:While annoying if we declare this is vandalism then we will have to do the same for the Great Suburb Massacre since they are both leaving lots of messages on talk pages. If the groups want them removed they can, but it seems to be a legit event that has a place on those pages.  (also sign your posts)--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 23:53, 18 August 2008 (BST)
::I was gonna sign my post but someone was editing what I posted as I did so.  Sorry.  Tell me again what you did about the 5th of november spammings?  Cause those were about a legit event as well? I seem to remember them being removed or something.  Also the Great suburb massacre isn't an event in game it's about cleaning up the wiki and isn't relevant.--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 23:54, 18 August 2008 (BST)
:::I don't remember the 5th of November incident so hopefully some other sysop will chime in on that. I don't know how an event can get any attention any other way outside of posting on talk pages, so I am not sure how else they can do this. It's annoying, but what are their options?  (I understand why you missed signing your post - editing all those links is a pain)--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 00:03, 19 August 2008 (BST)
::::The 5th of november guys did the exact same thing.  Only difference was that theirs was pro survivor.  It got them in trouble as I remember.  But as for what they should do.  They should make a wiki page for the event like everyone else does.  You didn't see the Big Bash wiki spamming their event all over the place.  You didn't see the Mall tour spamming all over the place.  That's what the precident was (in my mind at least)--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 00:07, 19 August 2008 (BST)
:::::[[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2007_09#Codename_V|Here.]]--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 00:09, 19 August 2008 (BST)
::::::Well hey you are helpful!  Thanks man. Looks like grim warned him and reverted all the edits made for the 5th of november stuff.--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 00:13, 19 August 2008 (BST)
:::::::The Great Suburb Massacre is a wiki maintenance thing. This is just spam. Burn the witch!!! --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 00:45, 19 August 2008 (BST)
::::::::A way back in the day I went a little overboard with "advertising" for a group, and IIRC it was removed. TGSGM is wiki maintenance, like those "Welcome to the Wiki!" messages.--{{User:Labine50/sig}} 01:02, 19 August 2008 (BST)
:This has been ruled '''vandalism''' in the past, as should this case. The Suburb Massacre template is a wiki maintenance thing, and a courtesy to the groups, letting them know that something that they have contributed to the wiki, and may want to save, is about to be changed, and is no more spam than placing warning templates on multiple vandal's pages. This sort of "cold calling" where you post on dozens of group/user talk pages with a cut'n'paste ad in the hope of getting a few takers to publicise an in game event is, however <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 02:31 19 August 2008 (BST)</small>
::'''Warned''' <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 03:22 21 August 2008 (BST)</small>

===[[User:Bibby the hobbit]]===
{{vndl|Bibby the hobbit}}

[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Krazy_Monkey&curid=15211&diff=1251757&oldid=1251705 impersonation], also, check his contribs. Are we IP banning every one of these guys? cuz if not then that's a problem...{{User:Techercizer/Sig}} 23:29, 18 August 2008 (BST)
:He has too many proxies. I have been fighting him, and over five accounts of his, for over two hours.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 23:30, 18 August 2008 (BST)
::Once the mods get interested it'll stop being a problem. It takes them 2 clicks to clean up his mess and like 8 for him to make it. net win for justice!{{User:Techercizer/Sig}} 23:33, 18 August 2008 (BST)
'''Blocked''' by Krazy <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 02:52 19 August 2008 (BST)</small>

===[[User:French of Q]]===
{{vndl|French of Q}}

Another account that is creating bad pages.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 23:21, 18 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User: 1918 Reshad]]===
{{vndl|1918 Reshad}}

Another account of the people below. He's making bad pages.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 23:19, 18 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:Gay sex]]===
{{vndl|Gay sex}}

He baaaaaaaaaaaaack...........--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 23:04, 18 August 2008 (BST)
:In case you haven't noticed he's Gman.--{{User:Wat/Signature}} 18:13, 18 August 2008 (GSX)
Oh looky, its another account. I bet you feel like a big man, attacking the Wiki.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 23:14, 18 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:FOCK ME]]===
{{vndl|FOCK ME}}

Same guy as below. Creating bad pages and general vandalism. Check contribs.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 22:54, 18 August 2008 (BST)
:Done. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:58, 18 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:NESCAFE PENGUIN]]===
{{vndl|NESCAFE PENGUIN}}

Check contribs, he's creating bad pages and redirecting them all over the place. I'm sure its the same guy as below.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 22:31, 18 August 2008 (BST)
:Now his redirections are aimed at me, how nice...--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 22:35, 18 August 2008 (BST)
:::Done. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:58, 18 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:A FUACKING BIG NIGGER DlCK]]===
{{vndl|A FUACKING BIG NIGGER DlCK}}

Created page [[Gay]] a redirect to Zombie Slayer, check contribs. See the entries below because he's the same guy I'd bet. He's making new pages so I can't revert.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 22:06, 18 August 2008 (BST)
:Done. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:58, 18 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:IM HAVING AN ORG4SM YOU MOTHERFUACKER]]===
{{vndl|IM HAVING AN ORG4SM YOU MOTHERFUACKER}}

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Malton&diff=1251312&oldid=1246100  {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 21:43, 18 August 2008 (BST)  (permabanned)
:Bazzlions of vandal edits. Check the contribs. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 21:45, 18 August 2008 (BST)
::Gnome got him. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:58, 18 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:A HeIpfuI LittIe Gnome]]===
{{vndl|A HeIpfuI LittIe Gnome}}

[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Template%3AWiki_News&diff=1251284&oldid=1251136 A Malicious Edit] to WikiNews here, then [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Template:Wiki_News&diff=prev&oldid=1251284 protected] the page so no one can fix it.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 21:34, 18 August 2008 (BST)
:Was this a hack to AHLG account?--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 21:43, 18 August 2008 (BST)
::Yes, a name workaround. I blocked him. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:44, 18 August 2008 (BST)
:::Was that "IM HAVING AN ORG4ZM YOU MUTHAFAUKER" him to?--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 21:45, 18 August 2008 (BST)
::::I'm getting to that too. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:46, 18 August 2008 (BST)
:::::Sorry for blaming you, I was just trying to keep some sort of vandal report up here after it got deleted by the imposter.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 21:48, 18 August 2008 (BST)
::::::Before jumping to the vandalism page, make sure the vandal edits are fixed ''first'' ... As in, fix em! ''Then'' go through the history and see what, exactly, happened. From there, you report here. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]]
:::::::I couldn't fix the WikiNews because it got protected WITH the malicious link on it. But for the future I shall revert first.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 21:54, 18 August 2008 (BST)
::::::No worries. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:59, 18 August 2008 (BST)
My question is, how did the vandal do that? Impersonate you I mean.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 22:01, 18 August 2008 (BST)
:But seriously...how did someone protect using a account that was name workaroundeded? I presume this is the same thing that means Kevan is on A/VD but i still don't see how they protected the page...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:09, 19 August 2008 (BST)
::It didn't, they just put that text in the summary. There's nothing [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=protect&user=&page=Template%3AWiki+News in the logs].--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:24, 19 August 2008 (BST)
:::''I couldn't fix the WikiNews because it got protected WITH the malicious link on it.'' - :P K thanks.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 02:05, 19 August 2008 (BST)
::::Fine, I'm a moron...--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 02:07, 19 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:Ninja13]]===
{{vndl|Ninja13}}

[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3ASuggestions&diff=1250432&oldid=1250310 This edit] certainly straddles the ''border'' of impersonation, if not actually crossing into the zone... Ninja13 has been around a while and ''knows how to sign posts''. But here he fails to sign a post, and instead adds the names "Nubis" and "Wan Yao" to the end... Somehow I just can't believe that this "oversight" was an "accident". Can you? It's obviously not impersonation ''exactly''... But close e-fucking-nough? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:11, 18 August 2008 (BST)
:It's trolling and not very good. I guess I left what is a soft warning on his talk page, but the next time he does that I will say '''vandalism'''.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 06:24, 18 August 2008 (BST)
'''Not vandalism''' - it's pretty hard to believe that he was actually trying to impersonate 2 people at once (unless you guys have a joint account I don't know about). He still should have signed his parody though, and I will tell him so <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 15:37 18 August 2008 (BST)</small>
:The sinister global domination plot is at last revealed. All is going exactly according to plan... Yes, Nubis and I are ONE!!! My "Hive Mind Apparatus" works! '''It really works!!!''' Cower in fear, mortals, everything you have ever known to be true is about to come crashing down around you... Bwahahahaha... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 23:34, 18 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:DoubleG]]===
{{vndl|DoubleG}}

[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Template:Wiki_News&diff=1249266&oldid=1248130 Malicious link]. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 16:45, 16 August 2008 (BST)
:Sock of below user - '''Perma''' - {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 16:50, 16 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:Gman isa CHARGING HIS ION CANNON]]===
{{vndl|Gman isa CHARGING HIS ION CANNON}}

This guy again. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 16:40, 16 August 2008 (BST)
:'''Perma''' and Fixed all the pages he made. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 16:49, 16 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:Blasto]]===
{{vndl|Blasto}}

[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Special:Contributions/Blasto Pretty much everything]. Especially [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User:A_whale%27s_vagina&curid=38787&diff=1248780&oldid=967518 this] attempt at parody. --[[User:Bob_Fortune|Bob Fortune]] <sup>[[Red Rum|RR]]</sup> 22:42, 15 August 2008 (BST)

Creating spam pages and spamming existing ones. Not the adbot kind of spam. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 21:49, 15 August 2008 (BST)

[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Sir_WV&action=history]
If all he's going to do is try to screw up the page alot, he more of a nuisance than anything else.  --[[User:Sir WV|Sir WV]] 21:52, 15 August 2008 (BST)

:Merged the <s>2</s> 3  complaints since I just '''permabanned''' him for having no useful contributions at all.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 22:43, 15 August 2008 (BST)

Also blocked Blaste as a sock puppet/alt. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 22:53, 15 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:Fish4Frogsx]]===
{{vndl|Fish4Frogsx}}

[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Community_Portal&diff=prev&oldid=1247499]
I think, I don't deal much with this type of thing though so it should probably be reviewed by someone else who does.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 08:09, 14 August 2008 (BST)
:Spambotty enough for me. Blocked. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 02:42, 15 August 2008 (BST)

===[[user:Asdfghjkl]]===
{{vndl|Asdfghjkl}}

[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FVandal_Banning&diff=1246636&oldid=1246616 admitted] Ioncannon alt for ban evasion...again.{{User:Techercizer/Sig}} 16:00, 14 August 2008 (BST)
:From Official Policy:  ''Attempting to circumvent a ban will result in an escalation without any warning, for each attempted circumvention.'' 
:So should Ioncannon get a Perma Voting for each if these alts if his first one fails?{{User:Techercizer/Sig}} 05:58, 15 August 2008 (BST)
::Technically, yes.--{{User:The General/sig}} 08:30, 15 August 2008 (BST)
'''Perma''' - whoever it is, it's bad faith sockpuppetry <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 14:37 18 August 2008 (BST)</small>

===[[user:Lkjhgfdsa]]===
{{vndl|Lkjhgfdsa}}

[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FVandal_Banning&diff=1247584&oldid=1247516 admitted] Ioncannon alt for ban evasion.{{User:Techercizer/Sig}} 16:00, 14 August 2008 (BST)
:'''Perma''' - whoever it is, is a sockpuppet acting in bad faith, so gorn, and the proxy blocked <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 14:29 18 August 2008 (BST)</small>

===[[User:TEAm4za]]===
{{vndl|TEAm4za}}

[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=The_Gentlemen&curid=75695&diff=1247588&oldid=1096734 Vandalism] - [[User:Jonny12|Jonny12]] <sup> [[User_talk:Jonny12|talk]]</sup> 15:00, 14 August 2008 (BST)
:'''Warned''' <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 14:34 18 August 2008 (BST)</small>

===[[User:Highhi]]===
{{vndl|Highhi}}

More Ads, More Spam. 2 in 2 days now. I rule at this. Im going to go off and do something more cool. I may try and write down all the suburbs i can without looking. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:29, 12 August 2008 (BST)
:'''Perma''' Ross - if you are bored you can work on the images :) --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 13:38, 12 August 2008 (BST)
::I'll have a look. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:12, 12 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:Ioncannon13]]===
{{vndl|Ioncannon13}}

[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning&diff=prev&oldid=1246066 Imperso][http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning&diff=prev&oldid=1246067 nation]. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 11:04, 12 August 2008 (BST)
:'''Permabanned''' - whoever it is is a sockpuppet acting in bad faith <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 14:33 18 August 2008 (BST)</small>

===[[User:Ioncannon]]===
{{vndl|Ioncannon}}

[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FVandal_Banning&diff=1246045&oldid=1245793 Wiped] various bits of the VB page. And also [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Category%3ACurrent_Suggestions&diff=1246050&oldid=1245817 made this edit] to current suggestions. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 10:13, 12 August 2008 (BST)
:'''Perma'''banned by the way. I beginning to think that this is not Ioncannon on a revenge streak. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 10:16, 12 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:TotalMacho]]===
{{vndl|TotalMacho}}

[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning&curid=28257&diff=1245724&oldid=1245712 this] and [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki_talk:Administration/Vandal_Banning&curid=20664&diff=1245727&oldid=1245726 this], Hell, I'm glad to have Ion's hate-spam off these pages, but is he allowed to do that?{{User:Techercizer/Sig}} 01:15, 12 August 2008 (BST)
:That is NOT Ion; I am in Ion's group and this is someone '''purposely''' framing him. It is obvious this is blatant trolling, even if you think this is Ion, and that makes it okay to delete. [[User:TotalMacho|TotalMacho]] 01:18, 12 August 2008 (BST)
::Blatant trolling is allowed here though, you can't delete something just because it's offensive. It's unfortunate, but it's true.{{User:Techercizer/Sig}} 01:21, 12 August 2008 (BST)
::::::Sure you can if it's against this rules. This is somebody who didn't sign their edits, as I've been told is vandalism, and trolling   probably isn't allowed on admin pages. That makes it a double offense??? You said yourself it's ''spam.'' Stop spamming up these pages with useless reports. [[User:TotalMacho|TotalMacho]] 01:23, 12 August 2008 (BST)
:::Well the thing is, you can't go around deleting others' comments just because you don't like what they say. It was pointless and it was mean, but that's not against the rules per say, at least I don't think. I don't know if not signing your edits is vandalism, but if it is then that was indeed delete-able.{{User:Techercizer/Sig}} 01:26, 12 August 2008 (BST)
:Yes, it is vandalism, and remember: you have to look at whether it was good or bad faith. It was stupid threats to keep using proxies to frame Ion, and that's bad faith. Bad faith edits are vandalism. [[User:TotalMacho|TotalMacho]] 01:29, 12 August 2008 (BST)
::::Precedence has shown that posts created by vandal accounts are removed regardless of content. All further discussion should go onto the talk page. Just wait for a sysop to rule. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">01:32/12/08/2008</span>]]'''
:::::Yes, thank you. [[User:TotalMacho|TotalMacho]] 01:35, 12 August 2008 (BST)
::::::Resolved, '''Not Vandalism''', etc. Thank you Jedaz for sorting this out.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:10, 12 August 2008 (BST)

An IP check reveals it to be an open proxy, I believe we have a policy against those?--{{User:The General/sig}} 16:53, 14 August 2008 (BST)
:Good point, does that constitute a separate case?{{User:Techercizer/Sig}} 17:00, 14 August 2008 (BST)
::Yes, probably, it's not the same offence. It's the same course of action, either way.--{{User:The General/sig}} 17:15, 14 August 2008 (BST)
::'''Open Proxies Blocked'''.--{{User:The General/sig}} 17:24, 14 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:Autofinance]]===
Spam!!!!! --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 13:24, 11 August 2008 (BST)
:Ross, you know that now you will never get low low rates on your next new car or house? '''Permaban'''--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 14:25, 11 August 2008 (BST)
::He didnt read [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Frequently_Suggested#Vehicles this]--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:32, 11 August 2008 (BST)

By the way,Ive always posted adbots below where it says adbots, and it always gets moved here. Why bother with the section? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:32, 11 August 2008 (BST)
:I just moved it here 1. because I didn't pay attention to what section it was in and 2. to indicate it was dealt with.  I think we are both correct in our actions.  You were definitely right in yours though. (EDIT: that section is there so we can just ban and go without having to discuss and debate. It's still all checked out of course, but it keeps it from getting lost in case there are multiple VB reports at the time it is reported)--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 21:18, 11 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:Vandal_Alt_DUH]]===
{{vndl|Vandal_Alt_DUH}}

Obvious vandal, see contributions. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">09:46/11/08/2008</span>]]'''
:'''Perma''' - Possible Ioncannon alt. I've protected Ioncannon's user and talk pages as a result. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 12:54, 11 August 2008 (BST)
::It's Ioncannon11 alright. I couldn't imagine anyone else doing it. Also, I've spotted that he uses more than one account now to do these things. TotalMacho and possibly FS could be his other alts? Anyway. Thanks Jedaz for restoring my page after his little attack. [[User:Zephyer|Zephyer]] 15:37, 11 August 2008 (BST)
:::Sorry for shitting up the page with unrelated talk but, Do you have any evidence for the above comment? Ill be posting anything else on the Talk page. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:53, 11 August 2008 (BST)
::::Nothing concrete, but the IP address used by this guy and Fucgrim are very close. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:59, 11 August 2008 (BST)
:::::And saying that ive just read the talk page and looked at the totalmacho contribs, and agree its a fair bet. Ignore me.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:01, 11 August 2008 (BST)
::::::Sorry, but "very close" is not good enough... It could very well be ioncannon using a different computer in the same library, or something... or... Or it could another person, his buddy, who lives down the road and uses the same ISP. IPs being "very close" is not good enough, you know better than that. Now, if you can establish, say, that they're different nodes of the same proxy, for example, that's different... But nothing like that has been established as far as I know... **goes to check the Talk page now** --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 20:55, 11 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:Zephyer]]===
{{vndl|Zephyer}}

Changing the [[173/blacklist]] page even though it's not his group. My leader asked me to come on here. [[User:TotalMacho|TotalMacho]] 00:21, 11 August 2008 (BST)
:'''Not Vandalism''' - Looks more like a name fix from the [[Cult of The Fallen Gay]] to the [[Cult of The Fallen God]] for accuracy purposes, probably provoked by Ioncannon after he apparently didn't like Zephyer adding a [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=173%2Fblacklist&diff=1241189&oldid=1179669 link] to the page. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 00:55, 11 August 2008 (BST)
::We're making fun of them on purpose. He's doing it again!!! ''THIS IS NOT HIS GROUP PAGE AND HE CAN NOT EDIT IT!'' You set precedent with sonny's imperium must die page!!! It is okay if he didn't know at first, ''BUT NOW IT IS VANDALISM!!!'' {{unsigned|TotalMacho}}
:::Considering you've been here for a day, it looks increasingly likely that you are an Ioncannon alt. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 19:36, 11 August 2008 (BST)
::::I just started this game and my leader told me to help him out by checking on the group wiki. Please tell zephyr HE HAS NO RIGHT TO EDIT IT!!!! Forget about me, focus on his vandalism! [[User:TotalMacho|TotalMacho]] 20:33, 11 August 2008 (BST)
:::::I'll get to it after I finish poking holes in your story. 1) Why would a group leader ask a complete newbie to check on the group's wiki page? 2) Why would a complete newbie know about the whole Imperium Must Die drama? -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:42, 11 August 2008 (BST)
::::::I told you, I'm saying what my leader asked me to!! He im'ed me and told me what to say on MSN, so I posted it here as a favor to him. Deal with zephyr instead of picking on ion; zephyr's the real vandal! [[User:TotalMacho|TotalMacho]] 21:16, 11 August 2008 (BST)
:::::::You seem to be using a very loose definition of Vandal. What we have here is a simple misinformed error that we see now and then when someone doesn't know about the sacredness of group pages. Ion on the other hand has wiped pages, trolled and broken a ton of rules in the process. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt on this occasion, but I have my eye on you. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 21:19, 11 August 2008 (BST) 

:::In the meantime, '''not vandalism''' because I don't think Gnome spoke to him about this and he hasn't seen the page. I have left him a note however and told him that next time it will be vandalism. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 21:13, 11 August 2008 (BST)
:Thank you. [[User:TotalMacho|TotalMacho]] 21:16, 11 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:Fucgrim]]===
{{vndl|Fucgrim}}

Looks like Ioncannon11 has gone down the Izumi route...--[[User:Bob_Fortune|Sir Bob Fortune]] <sup>[[Red Rum|RR]]</sup> 21:36, 7 August 2008 (BST)
:Lol. I think you're getting yourself in worse there Ioncannon. '''Perma''' for this alt. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 21:45, 7 August 2008 (BST)
::Should Ioncannon get a further ban for sockpuppet ban evasion? --[[User:Bob_Fortune|Sir Bob Fortune]] <sup>[[Red Rum|RR]]</sup> 23:00, 7 August 2008 (BST)
:::<small>Replied to on the discussion page. --<span style="font-size:90%">[[User:Funt Solo|Funt Solo]]</span> <sup style="font-size:70%">[[Mod_Conspiracy|QT]]</sup> [[Image:Scotland flag.JPG|18px]] 23:59, 7 August 2008 (BST)</small>
:::Given evidence provided on talk, i move to upgrade Ioncannon11's escalation a single notch. This means we have the permabanvote thing. I am in favour. He is a simple troll and we would be well rid of him. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 19:51, 9 August 2008 (BST)
::::<s>I have to concur with Grim. Ioncannon just doesn't seem to have any regard for the rules and despite continually being brought here, still hasn't taken the time to learn them. He's been around long enough to know by now. '''Yes''' to perma. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:31, 9 August 2008 (BST)</s> 
:::::In light of the possibility of these Ion vandals being a completely different person out to stir up shit, I'm going to tentatively vote '''No'''. He can have that final chance. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:47, 12 August 2008 (BST)
::::::Fucgrim and his latestban evasion, asdfghjkl are ion, the rest are impersonators.just because some of the others are obvious frames doest mean he hasnt earned a perma anyway due to the real ones. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 04:47, 13 August 2008 (BST)
:::Fuck you Grim, I wouldnt have to make socks at all if I wasn't constantly having to defend myself against people trying to frame me, and not to mention against sysops who have stood against me from day one because of a few mistakes I made when I was new. Just fuck off and give me a chance to reform. [[User:Lkjhgfdsa|Lkjhgfdsa]] 12:23, 14 August 2008 (BST)
:::::::I know Ion and they are not '''real.''' If you are so sure they are, then do explain your ''concrete'' evidence instead of just saying bullshit, which is predominantly what I have seen from you. [[User:TotalMacho|TotalMacho]] 06:10, 13 August 2008 (BST)
::::'''Nay''', for the moment. Let the month finish. The picture isn't all that great of evidence either. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 05:20, 10 August 2008 (BST)
::::'''No''' - he gets one for free <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 06:16 10 August 2008 (BST)</small>
::::'''Yes''' He has 7 VB cases this year alone and one confirmed sock puppet banned. Even if you factor in the struck warning you have to add in the sock and that still brings him up to the required 7.  I also want to point [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2008_05#User:Ioncannon11_2 this out]:
::::''I'm going straight now, I'd like to give a big thanks to everyone who voted against the perma ban request. Ioncannon11 03:12, 21 May 2008 (BST)''
::::I think he might have lied to us. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 13:30, 10 August 2008 (BST)
::::'''Yes''' - His trolling won't be missed and he's had enough chances to reform.--{{User:The General/sig}} 19:17, 10 August 2008 (BST)
::::'''No''' - The more information comes to light the more this looks like a shady escalation of harassment of an unliked player. If he deserves it he'll get it on his own, however I, at this point, can not accept that these alts are, without a doubt, him. I also insist you keep in mind what his escalation was for, a humorous suggestion. That's hardly hard core vandalism or the type of thing that a user should be permabanned for. He's not exactly going around maliciously blanking pages.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:08, 12 August 2008 (BST)
::::::Oh, he made this one, there is no doubt there, it was too quick, too relevant, and it is writtenlike every contact we have had from him. The rest are almost certainly impersonation alts, and once we can tie them to someone i wholeheartedly support insta permaing them. A perma comes based on their entire history, not based on what the most recent occurance of vandalism was. If a person has shown that they cannot stick within the rules of the wiki consistently and instead consistently troll, as Ioncannon has, then they really have no place here. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 03:13, 13 August 2008 (BST)
::::::My comment probably wasn't clear, but my vote is because of his entire history - not just this. 
::::::''If a person has shown that they cannot stick within the rules of the wiki consistently and instead consistently troll ...(snip)... then they really have no place here. ''  I firmly believe this.  
::::::He has been on the wiki since January and has had an A/VB case against him almost every month. He if he truly wanted to be a contributing member he would have straightened up. Just scrolling through the vandal data shows most users straighten up after a ban. This clearly isn't the case. While I see your point about how unfortunate it is that the latest escalation is because of a humorous suggestion that doesn't change the fact that he is a persistent vandal.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 03:37, 13 August 2008 (BST)
:::::::Looking through I'd say that there are only two escalations that aren't in a similar vein to the last one. If this weren't his first 1 month ban maybe I'd agree with you but I don't think this is at the point where a permaban is needed yet.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:52, 13 August 2008 (BST)
::::::::Fair enough. Tell you what. Let's make a bet. If he doesn't get this permaban and has a legit A/VB case against him before January 09 you have to change your user page to say in huge glittery letters: NUBIS WAS RIGHT. And if he comes back after a month off and keeps his nose clean I will change my page to say whatever you want. I'm serious here. You in? --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 14:57, 13 August 2008 (BST)
:::::::::I would but I, sadly, can't think of a humorous retort. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:53, 14 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:Ioncannon11]]===
{{vndl|Ioncannon11}}

Creation of a [[Suggestion:20080807_New_classes:_Nazis%2C_Paraplegics%2C_and_Conservatives|homourous suggestion]] breaking rule 10 of the suggestions page and therefore '''Vandalism'''. Anyone disagree? -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 21:18, 7 August 2008 (BST)
:'''Vandalism''' - Banned for a month. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 21:22, 7 August 2008 (BST)
::I didn't know wow. I thought they all go in the same place.[[User:Ioncannon11|Ioncannon11]] 21:23, 7 August 2008 (BST)
:::Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse, especially when you have been around as long as you have. They are clearly posted, and this one is rather mercilessly enforced. See you in a month. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 21:26, 7 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:The Truth]] Case number 1===
{{vndl|The Truth}}

Thinks certain people are zerging. Apparently. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:29, 7 August 2008 (BST)
:[[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Template:Dulstongroups&diff=prev&oldid=1241657]] Probably want the link don't you? His only contribution. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:39, 7 August 2008 (BST)
'''Warned''' <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 03:31 8 August 2008 (BST)</small>

===[[User:Ioncannon11]] Case number 7452.281===
{{vndl|Ioncannon11}}

It seems that he's actively wanting to be a moron now. He's spamming up suggestion voting with lovely big yellow boxes around his text. [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Suggestion:20080804_Scent_Death_and_Hordes&curid=92319&diff=1241662&oldid=1240965&rcid=1268158 Example 1], [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Suggestion:20080806_Display_Idle_Flag&curid=92452&diff=1241660&oldid=1241596&rcid=1268156 example 2] and [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Suggestion:20080805_Repairing_Ruined_Buildings_Modification&curid=92370&diff=1241658&oldid=1240446&rcid=1268154 example 3] to name a few. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:23, 7 August 2008 (BST)

:I'm not spamming! I just like the way it looks. Is there a rule against this? [[User:Ioncannon11|Ioncannon11]] 21:07, 7 August 2008 (BST)
::Maybe, maybe not. But there definitely is against [[Suggestion:20080807_New_classes:_Nazis%2C_Paraplegics%2C_and_Conservatives|this]]. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 21:16, 7 August 2008 (BST)
::There are rules on sig size and the large yellow boxes clearly violate that. 
::''Signatures which generally break the wiki in some way either through formatting or other means.'' --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 01:16, 8 August 2008 (BST)
:::And what is that rule? Hmmm? Trolling and humorous suggestions are allowed. This falls into the latter. I took great care not to offend any races. [[User:Ioncannon11|Ioncannon11]] 21:18, 7 August 2008 (BST)
::Ohhh, sorry, I didn't know they go separately. Thanks for moving it. [[User:Ioncannon11|Ioncannon11]] 21:22, 7 August 2008 (BST)

So, are we just rolling this all into the month ban, or what? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 04:28, 8 August 2008 (BST)
:Consider it the same offense I'd say.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 12:53, 8 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:Zapp]]===
{{vndl|Zapp}}

[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Suggestion:20080806_Throwing_Items&diff=next&oldid=1241212 Impersonation]. Yes, it's most likely a newbie-mistake, but I have a vague memory of even newbies getting warned for impersonation. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 10:12, 7 August 2008 (BST)
:Where is your post on his talk page asking him about this post? Isn't it obvious that he copied the vote above his to get the formatting and didn't realize that he copied the sig, too?  Is what you did the proper way to strike an unsigned or improper vote? --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 13:06, 7 August 2008 (BST)
::Yes, it's obvious he copied the above vote, but like I said, I have a vague memory of even newbies getting warned (as in official warning) for impersonation, which would make me posting on his talkpage pretty much pointless because a sysop would do it anyway. And what do you mean with "''Is what you did the proper way to strike an unsigned or improper vote?''" It wasn't unsigned and it wasn't an improper vote. It was impersonation. Removing it completely is certainly better than leaving it there. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 14:38, 7 August 2008 (BST)
:::If you think that an edit like this is an honest mistake, it's much better to discuss it with the person first, on their talk page. There is no requirement for you to report it here... even if it's some form of marginal vandalism, sometimes a quite word works better, and a report can always be made later if the poster doesn't change their ways. Anyway, it seems that Zapp has [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Suggestion:20080806_Throwing_Items&diff=prev&oldid=1241266 got the message], so '''not vandalism''' <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 15:06 7 August 2008 (BST)</small>

===[[User:Airheadoh]]===
{{vndl|Airheadoh}}

Despite his comments, he has no right to edit the group's page: [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=173%2Fops&diff=1241146&oldid=1240252 here] [[User:Ioncannon11|Ioncannon11]] 09:10, 7 August 2008 (BST)
:Where is the post on his talk page asking him about this edit? --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 13:08, 7 August 2008 (BST)
::Also, Detective Ice seems to be his other account.  He can certainly edit his own comments. You didn't remove the Det. Ice comment. So either he has permission to edit the page as Detective Ice (and therefore edit those comments as Airhead if he isn't smart enough to realize he is logged into the wrong account) or he doesn't have permission to edit it at all. Which is it? --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 13:18, 7 August 2008 (BST)
:::I'm guessing that ioncannon doesn't want to remove anyone's comments from anywhere, given that he's the subject of a "witch hunt" at the moment, and doesn't want to risk getting a warning/ban himself. It's reasonable to make otherwise uninvolved parties contact others before reporting them for minor vandalism, but not really the best idea when the parties are obviously already involved in a conflict. I'd classify this as '''vandalism''', editing another (enemy) groups page instead of using the talk page to contact them (and not a newbie mistake given the long history of contributions) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 15:17 7 August 2008 (BST)</small>
::Exactly, boxy, thank you. Nubis, he is not supposed ot do this. And I ''did'' remove it. Is it back? I'll fix that. He has no permission to edit it as he is not even a member of my group. [[User:Ioncannon11|Ioncannon11]] 15:50, 7 August 2008 (BST)

::i don't know why somebody deleted my debating this but i'm am reposting it:
::: as you can clearly see, my comments were not vandalism. he is trying to insult the name and people of the Cult, when he knows we clearly won is proposed "war." he's just mad he lost. and my group has reported to me that he is being a flamebait, and changing things on his pages that clrealy insult us.[[User:Detective Ice|Detective Ice]] 13:46, 7 August 2008 (BST)...i'm sorry i didn't use the talk page. i just wanted to be sure it was seen and exactly what i was talking about. And i know i am posting under my Airhead account. Detective Ice was banned because you aren't allowed to have multiple accounts, however i was told you can change your sig to match for whichever character you are posting as. I don't think this is vandalism. I did not edit the page to harm it. I was merely telling him that his history is wrong. If I wanted to try and vandelise his page I would actually change things he wrote in there. which i didn't.~[[User:Detective Ice|Detective Ice]] 19:46, 7 August 2008 (BST)
::::Someone rolled back your edit to this page because you wiped out a heap of text from the top of the page when you tried to post here. Learn to edit properly. As to your most recent edit to [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=173/ops&diff=prev&oldid=1241798 ion's page], well that just makes it as plain as day that you are a vandal. Here's the rule, follow it ==> '''Do not edit other people's group pages, use the talk page instead!''' <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 03:25 8 August 2008 (BST)</small>

'''Warned''' <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 03:25 8 August 2008 (BST)</small>
:oh gee, thanks for warning me. i'll try not to correct true history again when someone makes up their own.{{unsigned|Airheadoh|04:25, August 8, 2008}}
::Groups have greater ownership rights to their own pages, and are given quite a bit of latitude in the "truth" that they may portray there. It would be anarchy if we allowed enemies to have free reign to edit rival group pages because they disagreed with the truth of claims made there. If you want to have something changed on someone else's group page, discuss it with them on the talk page first. If they don't agree to change it, just ignoring it is probably the best option. If you are still intent on having something changed because of inaccuracy, then arbitration is the best place to do it (bring evidence please). Editing the main page, or sub page, of a another group is not allowed unless you are helping to make it the way that ''they'' want it, and [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=173/ops&diff=prev&oldid=1241798 changing someone's signed comments] is vandalism almost anywhere <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 06:05 9 August 2008 (BST)</small>

===[[User:Ioncannon11]]===
{{vndl|Ioncannon11}}

[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3ASuggestions&diff=1240500&oldid=1240499 This], I'm pretty sure it was ruled that changing headers is vandalism/impersonation, and this is clearly not in good faith.{{User:Techercizer/Sig}} 18:51, 6 August 2008 (BST)
:Burn the witch!!! --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 19:41, 6 August 2008 (BST)
:I would count this as a bad faith edit, I'm pretty sure changing the header was previously ruled as vandalism.--{{User:The General/sig}} 19:55, 6 August 2008 (BST)
::Well, he didn't edit it himself and I don't see what the big deal is; it's not ''vandalism.'' It's nothing serious, in any case, and I was just having a little fun. Is that so bad? I didn't impersonate anyone, blank anything, etc, etc, it was just a little laugh I suppose. Slap on the cuffs and take me away. :( [[User:Ioncannon11|Ioncannon11]] 21:38, 6 August 2008 (BST)
:::From the Policy: Vandalism page:

:::''On this wiki, we define Vandalism as "an edit not made in a good-faith attempt to improve this wiki". ''
:::''Impersonating another user. It is possible to make a comment on the wiki that does not look like it is from yourself, but instead is from another user. Of course, the fact that you edited the page will always exist, so such acts rarely go unnoticed. We expect that, if you're commenting, you're commenting as yourself.''
 in any case, and I was just having a little fun. Is that so bad? I didn't impersonate anyone
:::You did impersonate someone; me, and if you find vandalism funny that's really not my issue, nor should it be. {{User:Techercizer/Sig}} 22:21, 6 August 2008 (BST)
::::I didn't impersonate you noob. You refused to change the header yourself, and seeing as how that makes you a noob in my eyes, I made a slight, but true, joke and showed you that the header needed to be changed. [[User:Ioncannon11|Ioncannon11]] 03:07, 7 August 2008 (BST)
:::::In all honesty, this is no worse than half the snarky things I say with my soon to be cycled templates and so much nicer than 90% of Wan's comments. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 03:39, 7 August 2008 (BST)

The other "Discussion" moved to talk page. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 03:29, 7 August 2008 (BST)

'''Vandalism''' - Someone else created the suggestion there, someone else created the headers. The headers are very strongly implied to be the work of the author of the suggestion. Leaving them in the generic default doesnt give other people the right to change them to insult the poster of the suggestion, correcting them to match the suggestion is fine when left in th default (Much the same as a typo correction), but that did not happen here. Feel free to be insulting in your own posts, but do not resort to impersonation to do so. Also, the edit was entirely made in bad faith, and asking only really applies when there is some doubt over the intent of teh edit. No matter how hard i try i cannnot see how this was made in any small part in good faith. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 04:08, 7 August 2008 (BST)
:FYI: Im holding off on processing this due to Nubis's stance here. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 04:10, 7 August 2008 (BST)
::If this is vandalism then your creating an insulting headline for J3D is also since the end result is good or bad faith. If '''this''' is vandalism then your creating an insulting headline for J3D is actually '''more''' vandalism since you posted it over his comments. Are you sure you still want to consider this vandalism?  Either Ioncannon can make a funny insulting headline over his post in an area that other people will post under (like you did) or he can't. But we are not going to say that a sysop can but a user can't.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 13:31, 7 August 2008 (BST)
:::The parallels between this case and what Grim did is astounding. While Ion replaced an existing heading, it is a default heading and by the nature of the new heading it was apparent that Tech hadn't written it. Also at least the first comment under the new heading was Ion's unlike Grim's which until the explanation text was placed appeared as if i had written it. It seems to me the real difference here is that one was created by the 2nd most powerful and one of the most respected users on the wiki and the other was created by a largely disliked vandal prone user. Double standard anyone? And yes Grim, i am directly involved considering there is very recent precedent about this and my name was brought up in both cases, the first case in fact centred around a post i made and where it was located.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 14:00, 7 August 2008 (BST)

'''Vandalism''' - There's a difference between being uncivil and what was done here. Editing headers to be insults, on community pages, is most certainly not a civility issue.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:27, 7 August 2008 (BST)
:So why didn't you vote vandalism on the case against Grim for editing a headline? I can see why it isn't Misconduct, but why the hell didn't you say it was vandalism?--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 13:31, 7 August 2008 (BST)
::I prefer to stay away from A/VB when possible, something about an agreement I made with the community when I was up for promotion. I don't know specifically which case you are talking about off hand unless it is the one that led to the misconduct case. If that is the case, the biggest difference is that there was already an existing header and header naming convention that is obvious on the page. To me it's not about impersonation, it's about him defacing Talk:Suggestions in an attempt to attack another user.  --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:46, 7 August 2008 (BST)
Sure it is! He didn't edit and I felt I could use that header separately for my comment. Is that not allowed? I can't have a separate header for my comment? Everyone can have their own sub comment. I was just trying to draw attention to the fact that he is a noob. The rest of the post was 100% in good faith; I was contributing my 2 cents. Impersonating is changing people's posts. He left that part of the template blank, so I used it for my own comment! Not impersonation!!!! Or, at least, definitely not worth a week's ban... [[User:Ioncannon11|Ioncannon11]] 06:05, 7 August 2008 (BST)

'''Vandalism''' - Changing someone else's header is a nono. You know that. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:23, 7 August 2008 (BST)

FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME, IT WAS NOT HIS HEADER!!! HE MADE A CONSCIOUS DECISION NOT TO EDIT IT AND NOT MAKE IT INTO ANYTHING EXCEPT PART OF THE TEMPLATE!!! I TOOK THE HEADER, MADE IT MY OWN AS A SUBSECTION OF THE DISCUSSION. Oops, capslock :D. Is this ''really'' worth a month ban? Hell, look at all the contribs I have from my last ban! I think everyone knows my megalomania has subsided, and if blanking 1000 pages gave me a week ban, adopting a header should not give me a month...As J3D was quick to point out, Grim did something very similar and nothing happened to him. I will pull up that precedent and show it. Then if I was to be banned it would be complete and utter disrespect to the wiki's rules, not because you banned me, but because you banned someone for doing something exactly like, hell ''much'' better (I had a normal comment goin on) than what a sysop did, the latter being let off on all allegations. [[User:Ioncannon11|Ioncannon11]] 15:49, 7 August 2008 (BST)

You have just had a warning struck, so you arn't getting banned for this. It will be another warning. This is a simple case, Ion, you changed a template heading to be insulting to the author of the suggestion. You ''can'' edit that header to be descriptive (if the author forgets), but it has to be in clear good faith. It obviously should be in the form of "Discussion (suggestion name)". So, '''warned''' <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 16:09 7 August 2008 (BST)</small>

===[[User:JaredV]]===
{{vndl|JaredV}}

Blanked out a section of my Talk page [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3AWanYao&diff=1240374&oldid=1240035 here]. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 15:51, 6 August 2008 (BST)
:Ok, I thought I could do that as I was one of the main parties in the discussion. I'll take the vandalism, and I guess I'll know not to do that in future. Sorry Wan. --[[User:JaredV|Jared]]<sup>[[User_talk:JaredV|Talk]] [[South Paynterton Aces|Aces]] [[Columbine Kids|C-Kids]]</sup> 16:10, 6 August 2008 (BST)
::ok... I'll drop this... '''DROPPED'''.... But, no, you can not delete posts from any page except your own Talk page and that of groups you're a member of. Even then, it often considered bad form, allowed, but bad form. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 16:37, 6 August 2008 (BST)
:::I'll keep that in mind. Thanks. --[[User:JaredV|Jared]]<sup>[[User_talk:JaredV|Talk]] [[South Paynterton Aces|Aces]] [[Columbine Kids|C-Kids]]</sup> 16:57, 6 August 2008 (BST)

Wow. An A/VB case that '''could have been solved by leaving a note on the offenders talk page.''' Color me surprised. Thanks for following the guidelines on the page, Wan Yao. 
Soft Warning - Don't file petty complaints.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 02:52, 7 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:Skouth]]===
{{vndl|Skouth}}

'''Warned''' for [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Project_Wiki_Patrol&curid=18732&diff=1239868&oldid=1233204 vand][http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Edge_of_Extinction&diff=1239872&oldid=1235798 alism]. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 00:10, 6 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:Zombie_Lord]]===
{{vndl|Zombie_Lord}}

After [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Suggestion%3A20080805_Repairing_Ruined_Buildings_Modification&diff=1239653&oldid=1239650 this edit] of mine was (rightly) striken, I reposted the content as a '''re:''' to my own vote, [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Suggestion:20080805_Repairing_Ruined_Buildings_Modification&diff=next&oldid=1239663 here]. Subsequently, Zombie Lord deleted my second, valid, re: Axe Hack agreed that one is permitted to re: one's own vote, and [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Suggestion:20080805_Repairing_Ruined_Buildings_Modification&diff=next&oldid=1239667    undid that removal]. Then, Zombie Lord unjustifiably moved my ''author re:'' to the Talk page (both edits show in the link provived). 

Also, a perusal of the user's recent history in the Suggestions area will show that one of his overarching ambitions seems to be trolling... In this context, I say that the last edit was in bad faith and clearly another attempt to troll. This is in addition to the ''simple fact that his edit was completely unjustified'', as I am perfectly within my rights to re: my own vote, and he has no right to remove that re:. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 20:00, 5 August 2008 (BST)
:And... before someone throws the "there's no civility policy on this wiki" argument at me. EXACTLY! Thus, ZL's trolling is permissible. And also my re: to my own vote is permissible, and it's removal is an act of vandalism. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 20:03, 5 August 2008 (BST)
::I don't know about REing your own vote, but Zombie Lord had no right to replace it with his own comment.--{{User:The General/sig}} 20:12, 5 August 2008 (BST)
:::If not, delete the word RE. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 20:13, 5 August 2008 (BST)
::::It's very common practice for people to respond to others' votes by creating a "re:" underneath their original vote. This has ''always'' been permitted in the past... I've done it, I've seen others do it, it's never seemed to be an issue. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 20:16, 5 August 2008 (BST)
:::::Which is why I'm saying I'm not sure about it rather than forbidding it. What I am saying is that Zombie Lord should not have removed it.--{{User:The General/sig}} 20:24, 5 August 2008 (BST)
:::::Even the authors do it too if they realized they missed something. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 20:19, 5 August 2008 (BST)
::::::It's allowed, and I don't see how it really differs from one less colon. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:22, 5 August 2008 (BST)
[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Suggestion:20080805_Repairing_Ruined_Buildings_Modification&diff=prev&oldid=1239661 He removed part of WanYao's post]. Probably because Axe Hack didn't strike the RE properly and [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Suggestion:20080805_Repairing_Ruined_Buildings_Modification&oldid=1239653 that part of it was visible]. Gah. Anyway, the deleted part of the comment is now restored and struck properly. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 21:13, 5 August 2008 (BST)

'''Not Vandalism''' - He seems more confused than wanting to do anything malicious. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 00:14, 6 August 2008 (BST)
:You're joking right??? Well... whatever... meh... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 04:55, 6 August 2008 (BST)
::Not sure what he's smoking. Anyway, just move your RE back to the main page and report Zombie Lord if he deletes it again.--{{User:The General/sig}} 08:44, 6 August 2008 (BST)
:::What am I supposed to warn him for? ''Please do not move things to the talk page''. Right. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 18:11, 6 August 2008 (BST)
::::Altering another user's posts in clear violation of all policies and conventions/practices, Gnome. Isn't that vandalism? Certain people are twisting the letter of the rules, just barely falling outside the letter of the policies, in order to get off the hook for serial trolling. And it's effectively being condoned. Now, if you look at the sysop guidelines, it pretty clesrly states that a sysop can (and is sort of expected to) follow the ''spirit'' of policies even if this violates the "letter" of said policies. It's time to start following the ''spirit'' of the policies and making appropriate decisions in regards to what are clearly bad faith edits... see also ioncannon above for another very relevant example. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 01:24, 7 August 2008 (BST)
::::Furthermore, let's look at my re: in the context of it being a lame, long-winded, trollish rant itself. Ok... I can accept that... I kind of feel that way, now, myself. However, there's a bigger contect -- '''what the fuck???''' in regards to Zombie Lord being able to troll me in a blatantly inflammatory manner in his vote... but I have to go through shit in order to defend myself against his trolling? Whether I myself acted with the greatest level of dignity or appropriateness -- or not -- is kind of moot in the context of the fact that people are permitted to twist the rules and get away with trolling. Why is this permitted? As I've said, the '''spirit''' of the definition of bad faith can -- and should -- include blatant serial trolling. I think it's time you's started looking at it in this light, and acting accordingly. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 01:33, 7 August 2008 (BST)
:::::And you're any better? He insulted you a bit, so what. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 04:20, 7 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:Ioncannon11]]===
{{vndl|Ioncannon11}}

[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Invasion_of_Gibsonton&diff=1238191&oldid=1227003 Continued] [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Invasion_of_Gibsonton&diff=1226416&oldid=1218846 editing] [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Invasion_of_Gibsonton&diff=1239171&oldid=1238319 of]  the [[Invasion of Gibsonton]] page, despite being barred from editing it, as per the [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Sonny_Corleone_and_Vandr_versus_Ioncannon11_and_Kikashie arby's] case. 

"Since Ioncannon11 had no interest in participating in this arbitration, then he will be barred from editing that page, with any edits (aside from grammatical or spelling fixes) to be considered vandalism."

Thanks for your time. --[[User:Druuuuu/Ocular|Ocular]] <sup style="font-size:70%">[[User:Druuuuu|Dru]][[User talk:Druuuuu|uu]][[Red Rum|uu]]</sup> 05:46, 5 August 2008 (BST)
:'''Vandalism'''. Violation of arbitration ruling=ban. Anyone disagree?--{{User:The General/sig}} 10:35, 5 August 2008 (BST)
::'''Not Vandalism''', for numerous reasons, chief among them that he was baited into editing, that there is no bad faith, that arbitrators do ''not'' have the power to put a limitless and absolute ban on user contributions to a page, and that violation of an arbitration ruling ''is not vandalism'', nor is it the arbitrator's place to decide which violations, much less all, are vandalism. Akule ruled out of his ability and unless you can show intent to vandalize you can't call this vandalism, especially when the edits are targeted to illicit a response knowing the "limits" the ruling place on Ioncannon.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 11:30, 5 August 2008 (BST)
:::A minor correction: Violation of arbitration rulings results in a ban. So, yes, such edits are, in practice, vandalism.--{{User:The General/sig}} 12:04, 5 August 2008 (BST)
::::No, violation of an arbitration ruling when it violates the rulings purpose is vandalism. Arbitrators rulings are limited to the reason the case was brought up, they are not encompassing of everyone or page involved in the case only the edit/s being disputed. All ruling violations are not vandalism, part of our job is to limit the arbitrator's power by determining which ones are, even if it's been neglected in the past.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 12:42, 5 August 2008 (BST)
:::Short Version; The case didn't address that groups presence, nor was it asked to. If the case isn't relevant to the edit it holds no bearing here, we shouldn't re-enforce abuse.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 11:33, 5 August 2008 (BST)
::::Usually, I would rule vandalism here, but due to the nature of the edit in question I'm going to say that on this occasion it is '''Not Vandalism'''. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 11:38, 5 August 2008 (BST)
:::::Well then, I change my ruling. Consensus is '''Not Vandalism'''.--{{User:The General/sig}} 12:04, 5 August 2008 (BST)
Oh, please, this is not vandalism. My group was there; I respected the decision regarding the outcome of the whole thing, but they vandalized it and took out my group's name from the participant label. How much more vandalism can you get? Thank you, karek. [[User:Ioncannon11|Ioncannon11]] 11:33, 5 August 2008 (BST)
:No matter how much of an asshat ioncannon is ... Yeah ... He was legitimately "defending" himself. Now, whoever tried to take his group off? Why haven't THEY been brought here, or at least been given a little note on their talk page? Eh??? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:18, 5 August 2008 (BST)
::Well, yao, maybe I like you a little more now :). It was The Surgeon General; I didn't do anything because I wanted to edit it myself at first, but I suppose they deserve to be here. [[User:Ioncannon11|Ioncannon11]] 12:43, 5 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:Swizzler]]===
{{vndl|Swizzler}}

[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Suggestion:20080804_Hunting_Rifle&diff=prev&oldid=1238878 Impersonation] and breaking the rules of voting, all in one edit.  He impersonated Cheese and used that impersonation to vote twice. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 22:47, 4 August 2008 (BST)
:'''Not Vandalism''' - He seems to have copy-pasted from my [[Suggestion:00000000_Sample#Voting_Section|sample suggestion]] that I made a while back. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:04, 4 August 2008 (BST)
::There was a sample suggestion?  Huh.  Didn't notice that. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 23:06, 4 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:Jackson]]===
{{vndl|Jackson}}

Don't we have rules against making pages like [[Haliman is a Fraud|this]]? -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 14:30, 4 August 2008 (BST)
:I'm not sure, you could count it as bad faith and I believe there may be a precedent regarding it. I can't be certain, though.--{{User:The General/sig}} 14:43, 4 August 2008 (BST)
::I was just about to come and report it myself.--<font face="arial black"><span style="background-color:#000000; border: 1px solid red">[[User:Haliman111|<span style="color:White">/\'''Haliman'''/\</span>]]</span> <sup>[[User_talk:Haliman111|<span style="color:Blue">T</span>]] | [[The Crimson Clan|<span style="color:Brown">CC</span>]] | [[Umbrella_Corporation|<span style="color:Purple">UC</span>]] | [[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]] | [[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup></font> 18:22, 4 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:Chincocracker]]===
{{vndl|Chincocracker}}

Made [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Pitneybank&diff=prev&oldid=1237586 this edit]. I asked him to justify his actions on his talk page, but he has not responded.{{User:Techercizer/Sig}} 06:30, 4 August 2008 (BST)
:Warned.--{{User:The General/sig}} 08:17, 4 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:GmanG]]===
{{vndl|GmanG}}

Need I say more? Brought us pages such as "Creampie", "Bukkake" and "Thirteen Inches Dick". Anyone else get the feeling that this is a sexually frustrated 15 year old? '''Perma'''. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 14:45, 2 August 2008 (BST)
:This is the 3rd Gman Sockpuppet who's shown up and started vandalizing the wiki, perhaps a IP ban is in order if this trend continues?{{User:Techercizer/Sig}} 18:09, 2 August 2008 (BST)
::A quick check of GmanG showed no matching ips or I would do an ip ban.--{{User:The General/sig}} 19:27, 2 August 2008 (BST)
:::He must have an unstable IP address or be using proxies, there's no way this is a coincidence.{{User:Techercizer/Sig}} 19:31, 2 August 2008 (BST)
::::I agree, but it means an ip block is, at present, fairly useless.--{{User:The General/sig}} 19:37, 2 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:Lolwarrior]]===
{{vndl|Lolwarrior}}
[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Special:Contributions/Lolwarrior Sockpuppet of G-man]. IP Ban? --[[User:Bob_Fortune|Sir Bob Fortune]] <sup>[[Red Rum|RR]]</sup> 01:08, 2 August 2008 (BST)
:'''Perma''' None of his edits seemed to be good or helpful. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 01:33, 2 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:G-man-returns]]===
{{vndl|G-man-returns}}

[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Special:Contributions/G-man-returns All his edits]. IP ban? --[[User:Bob_Fortune|Sir Bob Fortune]] <sup>[[Red Rum|RR]]</sup> 00:42, 2 August 2008 (BST)
:B& permanently.  --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 00:52, 2 August 2008 (BST)

===[[User:Shooty08]]===
{{vndl|Shooty08}}

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:Suggestions&curid=1414&diff=1235171&oldid=1235170, Impersonation. This is his third A/VB today. I'll let the author of said comment say anything else that needs be said.{{User:Techercizer/Sig}} 00:01, 1 August 2008 (BST)
:I was just about to report this. It's not technically impersonation, I'd push for a warning (based on precedent below) for striking another user's comments without good reason on a community page. I'd suggest premeditation as his edit before this was the one that broke my post into two sections. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:04, 1 August 2008 (BST)
::New development:http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3ASuggestions&diff=1235177&oldid=1235175 , He's gone large scale. depending on whether this counts as a new A/VB, this could be his '''fourth''' today, If that's not unprecedented, it at least deserves some sort of firm response.{{User:Techercizer/Sig}} 00:08, 1 August 2008 (BST)

[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1235177 Persistent vandalism of the suggestions discussion page], request block under active vandal criteria. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:08, 1 August 2008 (BST)
:I agree, 4 A/VB cases in one day about the same section '''Definitely''' suggests something amiss. In my opinion, serious action should be taken to show him that this is not a joke.{{User:Techercizer/Sig}} 00:33, 1 August 2008 (BST)

Have you tried talking to him? I personally think it's more the fact that he's a complete and utter noob and doesn't get the wiki. In the first one, he's striking an unsigned comment, which is allowed. And the other two are him attempting to remove the suggestions from discussion, I think. :/ In any case, it doesn't look as though there is any malicious intent. Just being one of those annoying noobs who seem to have a completely epic first day which sees them in VB more times than most users in their entire wiki career. I will have a word with him, however, and let him know that he is bordering on getting the book thrown at him. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:42, 1 August 2008 (BST)
:Cmon' cheese, 4 A/VB cases? really? This guy is actively laughing at his own vandalism as he posts it, and showing it online with little "XD" faces every time he breaks the rules by wiping suggestions or removing others' content. He's like a little kid running around kicking everyone in the building; someone needs to tell him he can't do this kind of crap and get away with it before it goes farther into his head.{{User:Techercizer/Sig}} 01:02, 1 August 2008 (BST)

The first one wasn't an unsigned comment, it was a response of mine that was properly paragraphed. It became orphaned from my signature when Shooty08 broke up my comment by posting within it, his next edit was to strike it. You'll notice I mention this premeditation above. You ask for the evidence, I bring it, and still nothing. Ignorance does not change the fact he breached established vandalism precedent. There's a reason the first offence doesn't carry a perma.... -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:58, 1 August 2008 (BST)
:You'll also notice that because he moved his strikeouts around, my comment now appears to have been signed by him. This is now a case of impersonation that I'd like ruling on. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:03, 1 August 2008 (BST)
::Ok. Give me an '''exact''' diff link showing that and I will rule on it. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 01:05, 1 August 2008 (BST)
:::No exact link as it was the result of conflicting edits, however [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:Suggestions&diff=next&oldid=1235170 here is where he strike my comment], having previous posted inside it, and [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:Suggestions&diff=next&oldid=1235173 here is where he removes those strikeouts] (so that his vandalism to the entire suggestion will work), but he leaves his signature. While I can remove the strikeouts and move his comments as it's vandalism to a community page and a comment in an incorrect place according to the page guidelines, I am unable to move that comment or delete the signature now acting as the impersonation due to previous precedent. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:11, 1 August 2008 (BST)
::::Ok. Number two is the one I'm after. It may not be intentional, but it is impersonation. Therefore, '''vandalism'''. You can quite happily delete the signature by the way. You aren't handless. It's your comment anyway. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 01:16, 1 August 2008 (BST)
:::::'''ohohoho''', don't tell me that permanent impersonation counts as a seperate VB, cuz if this guy is subject to 5 A/VB cases in two and a half hours I will freaking wet myself from laughter.{{User:Techercizer/Sig}} 01:17, 1 August 2008 (BST) (DAMN EDIT CONFLICTS MONKEY!!!!!! =P jkng)
::::::And if the "noob errors" continue... will you slap a ban? That's the question... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 11:49, 1 August 2008 (BST)

In the future please include ''all'' relevant diffs, in this case [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1235132 this one] was missing. That being said, I am going to step in and say it's <big>'''Not Vandalism'''</big> and you're all reading way too much into what is easier explained as uninformed mistakes, for [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:Suggestions&diff=next&oldid=1235180 one]<sub>(again highly relevant, again not included)</sub>, he is allowed to remove his own suggestions whenever he feels like it. Frankly, I'm dumbfounded that [[User:Krazy_Monkey|Cheeseman]] missed this.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:12, 1 August 2008 (BST)
:I'm pretty sure that while he can remove his own suggestions, he can't remove other users comments, which he did.{{User:Techercizer/Sig}} 02:21, 1 August 2008 (BST)
::There was an obvious gap between the two, better people have been tricked by less, the same thing even, we've never ruled it vandalism and attempting to remove unsigned comments is hardly such without bad faith, it's something that is done in most voting sections of the wiki, [[Suggestions]] included, that he didn't know it's not done on [[Talk:Suggestions]] is the reasonable conclusion.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:41, 1 August 2008 (BST)

Im inclined to agree with karek here. Nothing here appears malicious. Just a series of errors that could have easily stopped if you had tried to explain to him how to use the tags and the rules of the page. I see nothing that indicates you have even attempted to do so. No. Id actually contend that you made this case in bad faith to persecute a person you consider an idiot without trying to help him out first. '''Not Vandalism''', just a newbie mistake. Warning is hereby overruled (2-1) and purged from his record. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 04:01, 1 August 2008 (BST)