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==On 'Yea'==
Just a note, "yay" is an exlamation of happiness, "yea" is an affirmative answer. --[[User:Lucero Capell|Lucero Capell]] 21:56, 4 Dec 2005 (GMT)
:Maybe some people are just happy about the suggestion. :P People seem to confuse the two all the time... I just type Yay to make it easier to count. --[[User:Daranz|Daranz]] | [[User talk:Daranz|<font size=-3>Talk</font>]] |  21:57, 4 Dec 2005 (GMT)

==Template Issues==
I'm not sure if this is the right place, but the wording of the Moderation Services - Protection label seems to be somewhat off. It currently says: " This page has been protected due to an edit war by the Moderation Team." I'm not sure if anybody else reads it this way, but when I see it, it seems to say that the Moderation Team is a part of the edit war. I know that's not what it's saying, but it's still somewhat ambiguous. Maybe a rephrasing? [[User:Dinferno|Dinferno]] 23:49, 6 Dec 2005 (GMT)
:There. That should make that a lot less ambiguous. -- [[User:Odd Starter|Odd Starter]] <sup> [[User talk:Odd Starter|talk]] | [[Moderation|Mod]]</sup> 01:15, 7 Dec 2005 (GMT)
::Yes, that's a lot clearer. Thank you. [[User:Dinferno|Dinferno]] 02:06, 8 Dec 2005 (GMT)

== Revision of fatally flawed protection guideline ==

It is my belief that the "protections" guideline at [[UDWiki:Moderation/Guidelines]] is fatally flawed. Not only is the writing full of typos and grammatical mistakes, and vague in many places, but its intentions appear fatally flawed: essentially, if a Moderator edits a protected page for any reason other than to edit it after heavy vandalism, he/she is committing vandalism his/herself. This is obviously ludicrous; it implies, for example, that I committed vandalism today when I updated some protected Moderation pages to fix dead links due to the recent policy to move Moderation pages into the UDWiki namespace. I have written an updated version of the policy below. Please review it and give me your feedback so that we can hopefully change this obviously flawed policy.
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===Protection of Pages===
Protection of pages is restricted to Moderators due to the inherent nature of the action &mdash; protections would not be useful if regular users could protect and unprotect pages at will. The following guidelines indicate the rules that govern Moderators and page protection.

Moderators may only protect pages that users have requested be protected on [[UDWiki:Moderation/Protections]], or (for a short period, and without the need for a protection request) high-visibility pages that are undergoing repeated vandalism. Before a page is protected, it is expected that the Moderator will ensure that there is good reason for its protection &mdash; these include protracted edit wars, and constant vandalism by multiple users on a high-visibility page. Further, except in the instance of heavy vandalism mentioned above, Moderators may not protect a page that they themselves have requested be protected. It is part of a Moderator's responsibility to check these pages often and serve any pending requests, subject to the guidelines above.

In the event of protection, a Moderator is expected to protect the page '''in whatever state the page was in at the time the request is reviewed''', regardless of its original state. 

In some circumstances, protections on a scheduled basis may be required as part of a system on the wiki. In this case, it is not expected that each protection be requested through the Moderation pages. Instead, the schedule should be approved by the Community at the Schedules section of [[UDWiki:Moderation/Protections]]. Approved schedules are listed in the following Subsection.
====Scheduled Protections====
* '''Suggestion Day Page Protection''' - Each Suggestion day vote page will be protected after its given voting period, and after the intro template has been replaced. Approved 06:29, 11 Dec 2005 (GMT)

====Editing of Protected Pages====
As a subset of their Moderation powers, Moderators also have the ability to edit protected pages. Given that Moderators and Bureaucrats are the only users who can edit protected pages, it is expected that Moderators take care to edit protected pages only in good faith, and not without good reason. Moderators are explicitly given the right to edit a page that has been protected due to constant vandalism, and changes are necessary to revert the vandalism. Requests for a Moderator to edit a protected page should be made on the specific page's Talk page.
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{{User:BobHammero/Sig}} 01:50, 12 July 2006 (BST)
:I think even this is too restrictive; what about pages that have coding errors or some really annoying typo that isn't meant as part of historical record? We could try to account for all of these special circumstances, but I think that we'll always miss one or two of said circumstances and we'd be back in the exact same position we are currently &mdash; doing something "wrong" that nobody except the vindictive would make a Misconduct case over. {{User:Xoid/sig}} 02:42, 14 July 2006 (BST)
::"''...it is expected that Moderators take care to edit protected pages only in good faith, and not without good reason.''" Seems like that covers it to me; fixing coding errors or a typo fix would be good reason to edit a page, while (e.g.) randomly changing formatting would not be. {{User:BobHammero/Sig}} 02:49, 14 July 2006 (BST)
:::Your rule is basically the current practice of editing a protected page. I see no reason to add something. Just replace the old text with this so the text fits the rule we actually use. --[[User:Vista|Vista]] 23:44, 14 July 2006 (BST)
::::Done. If anyone comes running to chop my head off, I'm going to point at you. ;) {{User:BobHammero/Sig}} 00:57, 15 July 2006 (BST)

==Archiving==
Same as Undeletions, we should probably archive all Protections after a week, just so people can check the main page for a while instead of going straight to the archive to check for recent actions. {{User:Nubis/sig}} 14:39, 27 August 2006 (BST)
:Yeah, sounds good. --[[User:Brizth|Brizth]] <sup>[[UDWiki:Moderation|M]] [[User_talk:Brizth|T]]</sup> 14:46, 27 August 2006 (BST)
::Done and done. {{User:Nubis/sig}} 15:42, 27 August 2006 (BST)

== Why is the anti-hate policy discussion locked? ==

It is vital to have open discussion on this subject so those who have not yet voted can see both side of the issue.[[User:Jjames|Jjames]] 00:24, 30 August 2006 (BST)
:Because voting is closed, because the policy is withdrawn. Not that it matters anymore. You don't like me, so just take me straight to [[M/M]]. That's an order. {{User:BobHammero/Sig}} 00:26, 30 August 2006 (BST)

== Categories for Protected Pages ==
I'm trying place the following pages into Categories but due to their protected status I can not do it alone Could someone added the following pages in to their category
*[[Crabapple]] into <nowiki>[[Category:Crabapple]]</nowiki>
*[[Ludwig Controversy]] into <nowiki>[[Category:Diplomacy]]</nowiki>
*[[Assault on Stupid Survivors/Archive]] into <nowiki>[[Category:Assault on Stupid Survivors]]</nowiki>
*[[Assault on Stupid Survivors/Recruitment]]into <nowiki>[[Category:Assault on Stupid Survivors]]</nowiki>
*[[Assault on Stupid Survivors]] into <nowiki>[[Category:Assault on Stupid Survivors]]</nowiki>
Thanks [[User:Vantar|Vantar]] 04:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
::Should be done.--''[[User:Gage|Gage]]'' 04:49, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
:::Thanks [[User:Vantar|Vantar]] 21:09, 15 February 2007 (UTC)