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==October 2008==
===[[User:Cyberbob240]]===
What? How can they be treated as one case? Different times, different pages. Just because you only just got around to his warning doesn't mean that he should get off whilst read cops a warning/ban combo. I really thought this would be open-shut...--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 03:54, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
::They're for the same thing. Until someone is officially warned for something, then doing the same thing again gets taken into consideration in the original case. Read was done for 2 different things, and the first warning had already been applied <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 04:01 26 October 2008 (BST)</small>
:::So you can wait to give him a warning if it suits you? Why not wait a year and let all his vandalism count as one case? Great system we have here.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 04:03, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
::::I did the reporting, so I didn't want to be the one to rule... so I waited for the others to have their say (I thought they would have applied the rulings themselves, but it didn't happen, and didn't look like happening anytime soon) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 04:12 26 October 2008 (BST)</small>
:lol --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 03:54, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

===[[User:Cyberbob240]]===
"Unfortunately, in this wiki, you cannot plead your case, as it is considered to be taboo to find any sort of loophole, or misstep of a sysop. Plain and simple, he should have posted on our talk paged if he wanted to give us a soft warning. It can't be official, tucked away in someones Vandal Banning report. Agree? (also, take this to my talk page if you think it should be there)--MichaelReadTalk BBK! ALiM 14:35, 24 October 2008 (BST)
:Please save your spam for your own section. You are barking up the wrong tree if you're thinking I'm going to suddenly buddy up to you just because we're being accused of similar things. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 14:57, 24 October 2008 (BST)"

I love how he completely disregarded all points of arguement and chose to insult you instead. Brilliant.--[[User:Scurley7|Scurley7]] 15:01, 24 October 2008 (BST)
:I disregarded his points of argument because frankly, I've heard it all before - both from the standpoint of a sysop and of a user. Sometimes I agree with it, others I don't. This time I don't, and I don't feel like writing a response to sentiments I've had to deal with for years. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 15:08, 24 October 2008 (BST)
::It isnt an attempt to insult me, it is an attempt to look like he cares enough, pretend he is level headed and mature, so that the Sysops will look at his case and think he is being constructive, when in fact, he is tickling the inside of their anus with his tongue. --{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 15:11, 24 October 2008 (BST)

===[[User:DCC]]===
:: And again [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User%3AStephen_Colbert_DFA&diff=1289857&oldid=1289841 here].[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User:Stephen_Colbert_DFA&curid=66237&diff=1289864&oldid=1289857 here] I know it's hard for you to understand, as a person who has been banned a number of times, but spewing your bile on the top of a persons user page is out of bounds.   --[[User:Stephen Colbert DFA|Stephen Colbert DFA]] 06:20, 9 October 2008 (BST)
:::It's not too late. You can cancel this case before a sysop sees it. Your hero, Grim, has done a lot worse on [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2008_07#User:Grim_s_2 talk pages]. I don't want my new best friend to be mocked by the sysops. I can tell you that they will call this case "petty" , Nubis will ask if you left a msg on my talk page to sort this out.--[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]'''  <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 06:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)
::::I'll let the sysops speak for themselves.  --[[User:Stephen Colbert DFA|Stephen Colbert DFA]] 06:35, 9 October 2008 (BST)
:::::Fixed. It was on his user page and that was clearly an accident that once he posted about it on my talk page I fixed and apologized for. It's nice when users can work out their problems like rational intelligent adults without running to tattle like crybabies.... oh wai- --[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]'''  <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 06:38, 9 October 2008 (BST)
::::::"An accident" that happened three times?  In his haste to be a wiki jackass, DCC went off the rails.  Him and his buddies are in full lynch mode for Grimch for what was at best, a minor infraction... a mistake, if you will.  Well, I also believe people should be accountable for their mistakes.  --[[User:Stephen Colbert DFA|Stephen Colbert DFA]] 06:45, 9 October 2008 (BST)
:::::::Well, riddle me this, Batman. What do you want? I fixed it, I apologized, and I am staying off your talk page (and user page now). So, what now? The irony would be if you asked for my ban for such a "minor" offense when you yourself are railing against that very same thing. So, how can you reconcile demanding my blood, yet being pissed that people are doing the same to Grim? Interesting.... PS - I don't have any buddies but the goons and they aren't involved in the Grim thing. --[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]'''  <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 07:28, 9 October 2008 (BST)
:Here we go.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 07:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)
:: Since you moved the links to 2 of the 3 examples of vandalism, I am requesting that you return that post to the main page.  It is germane to the argument. --[[User:Stephen Colbert DFA|Stephen Colbert DFA]] 07:38, 9 October 2008 (BST)
::Nevermind, I edited it. --[[User:Stephen Colbert DFA|Stephen Colbert DFA]] 07:40, 9 October 2008 (BST)

===[[User:Cyberbob240]]===
So we ban people that express opinions aggressively and don't agree with you, Grim? Why that doesn't sound like abuse of authority at all! Are you going to warn everyone that isn't the original poster or a sysop about shitting up the page or is it just bob because he's special? --– Nubis 01:40, 8 October 2008 (BST)
:I can't believe I missed this little gem: Trolling is exclusively bad faith, FYI. --The Grimch You heard it here first, folks! NOW trolling is bad faith because GRIM decided it is. --– Nubis 03:37, 8 October 2008 (BST)
::Would you care to explain how trolling would be done in good faith? Especially cyberbobs particular trolling on that page. --The Grimch U! E! 11:04, 8 October 2008 (BST)
:::You have been trolling around the wiki for months, and in your mind it appears to be in good faith towards the community. Just because your trolling has words with more than 2 syllables and could be printed in several A4 sheets of paper, doesnt mean it's not trolling. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 14:01, 8 October 2008 (BST)

Trolling is a subjective view. A sysop deciding that any act is bad faith and forwarding that ''opinion'' in a vandal report is an attempt at moderation, plain and simple. Also ''all'' comments must be placed on the main page of a misconduct case, not the talk page. You cannot prevent someone from participating in a community matter on a community page. This ruling of vandalism is invalid. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:14, 8 October 2008 (BST)
:Iscariot, while sometimes I may get "miffed" at you, you really do impress me. This is exactly how I feel about the issue and very well said. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 14:21, 8 October 2008 (BST)
::People get "miffed" at me, as you so daintily put it, because I prefer a system of enforceable statutes (the policies). Although I don't believe this to be the best way of running a community system such as this, the only efficient replacement would be a forum style empowered moderator system, which this community has shown time and again to be against. My major point of contention with the sysop team is their lack of proactive effort to resolve any grey areas that are brought up. Once a situation is ruled on, that should become a statutory precedent to allow other users to see how the community operates through reading the archives. Not doing this creates major differences between the enforcement of policies against different users and creates drama and discontent within the community. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:32, 8 October 2008 (BST)

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