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==descriptions==
some flavor, not sure in which form to add it to the article:

{{udspan|You are inside '''the runs''', a series of dimly-lit corridors that surround the studio. Two-way mirrors look out into the house. With the lights out, you can hardly see anything. The building's fire exits have been secured.}}

{{udspan|You are inside '''the control room''', with monitors and consoles stacked on desks and shelves. The building's fire exits have been secured.}}

{{udspan|You are inside '''the offices''', a network of corridors, meeting rooms and office spaces. The doors to the street have been secured.}}

{{udspan|You are inside '''the Big Brother lounge''', a large, wooden-floored room with designer chairs, flock wallpaper and a small kitchen. The doors to the street have been secured.}}

{{udspan|You are inside '''the diary room''', a blank room with a large, purple chair in the middle.}}

Note that: 
#the runs are [[dark]] buildings. 
#the diary room has no entrance/exit to the streets at all. 
#powering up control room can make some monitors there usefull (like cctv in police stations)
--[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[LCD|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 00:36, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm confused as to how the Lounge has a door to the street. :/
:{{User:Rorybob/Sig}}17:02, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Power on in control room enabled CCTV

{{udspan|A portable generator has been set up here. It is running. [[CCTV]] monitors show the interior of the house, and a large red clock reads '88:88'.}}

CCTV switches between: the diary room, Bib Brother lounge and the garden --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[LCD|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 11:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Search ==

found bottles of beer, mobile phone and a book in the offices. a raido in the runs --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[LCD|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 13:33, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

==Image==
Should we include an image, or does the grid suffice?
[[Image:Bigbrother.PNG]]
: grid's enough --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[LCD|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 20:39, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
::But the grid doesn't show the eviction area. --[[User:DrBowman|DrBowman]] 19:48, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Check again --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[User:Duke Garland/BHW|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 20:22, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

== Hidden location? ==

{{squote|It's location is uncertain, and users have been asked to keep it that way.|2=[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Big_Brother_House&diff=prev&oldid=1308930 Hagnat]}}Asked by who? If it's anyone short of Kevan, I am disinclined to acquiesce to your request.{{User:Revenant/Sig}} 13:24, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

My updating of this article has just been reverted. This wiki is a resource, I consider the removal of factual and sourced information to be in bad faith and will take people to A/VB. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:26, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:I was just about to say – nice work on the find, and good timing! Unless there has been an explicit request from Kevan to keep the location hidden, I have to agree with you. "Information wants to be free" → it's going to get out, especially now that iWitnesses have been posted. Anyone who wants to keep it hidden, you might as well bow to the inevitable and save yourself the hassle. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 13:30, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
::I actually went out and found it yesterday afternoon, I was just busy until then. If it hadn't been for Hagnat's ''"Noez, keeps it sekrit soez i can haz winz!"'' bullshit I wouldn't have been in a hurry, however I'm violently opposed to censorship. This is now sourced and posted on Barhah and the Philosophe Knight boards just in case. Those iwitnesses are public, and were made so for a reason. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:34, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::You're naive to think that your iwitnesses are first that reveal location of the BB house. How do you think i got the coordinates in the first place? --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[User:Duke Garland/BHW|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 13:44, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
::::Never claimed to be first, but more public iwits increase everyone's chances. I actually found the house because of you and Hagnat, thanks for that ;) -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:46, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Iscariot, i play zombie... the doors to the place are locked and i still didnt got inside. Therefore, i am not participating on the competition... yet. This is not a matter of censorship, its not a matter of a user keeping this info so he can win the prize himself, its rather a case of allowing people to have fun searching for a unique building. If this information is publicy available, most of the fun of searching for it vanishes. Its like telling the end of suspense/drama movie to someone who just bought a ticket for it. The wiki might be a resource, but it must be a resource thinking on the fun of its users. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 13:57, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
::::Then go put a spoiler warning on the page, oh, wait, you can't because this isn't a work of fiction. People have a month to find a building in a city sized area, you are delusional if you think that's fun for anyone but a cartographer. 

::::''"it must be a resource thinking on the fun of its users."'' - Must it? Would you care to show me the policy, nay, the guidelines, nay the fucking open discussion where this crap was decided? Didn't think you could. Less than 24 hours back in office and already making shit up, colour me shocked and amazed....

::::Also, don't post here trying to sound all reasonable when you later decided to go onto my talk page and ignore the very simple rules and throw insults around. I may be disagreeable, but I don't try to be disingenuous and hide this fact. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:14, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::Strange fact: you are here yelling against censorship, when your talk page attempt to censor any kind of discussion between you and anyone on the sysop team. Yay for thee lad. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 14:22, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::Different case. I have page ownership. Also I'm not censoring your views, go post your comments on your own talk page if you want, I'm enforcing my 'No Platform' rule. They are different beasts. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:29, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Sure they are. And nice sig, asshole. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 14:31, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Would it be possible to remove the blinking of that signature? I have no problem with you revealing the location, but the blinking is a little bit annoying. - [[User:Whitehouse]] 14:32, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::::After reading AHLG's comment below, it does seem wrong to have it in your signature, couldn't you just remove it now before more people have the location hunt ruined? - [[User:Whitehouse]] 16:48, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::::We got a Kevan answer [[User_talk:Kevan#Publicity_of_Big_Brother_house_location|here]], he doesn't mind either way so it's up to us. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:28, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I think that the best thing to do is just leave the coordinates on [[Big_Brother_House|this page]], possibly on the map, but that Iscariot should take it out of his sig so he doesn't ruin the surprise for those who are avoiding the two previous mentioned areas in hopes of enjoying a hunt. - [[User:Whitehouse]] 17:56, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Anyone who either watched the show, or has a rudimentary knowledge of Big Brother, can easily find the house. From the show, the clue is to follow the river past a ruined abbey. The river lock is another big clue. Fans of reality TV can look at the current "big map", find the Elstree Studios Building, and then put 2 and 2 together. It's a shame that two people have to stoop to a revert war, and childish activity, when a consensus can easily be reached. All this fuss over a DVD competition?

For those of you arguing over a 4 week window to find the House........ Flares, feeding groans, and the zerg. Bear in mind all zombie players get Lurching Gait for free, which means an easy jog to the House. Between that and the clues to location, it should have been easy. The problem now is that it may provoke a big rush of people to the house, leaving the rest of the game area very boring. It's a pity people couldn't consider that BEFORE inciting a headlong rush to the House. Such is life. --[[User:Informant|Informant]] 16:13, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Revealing the location here is fine, it's just rather poor to spam the coordinates all over the wiki. If people don't want the location spoiled they shouldn't have looked at this page. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 16:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

:I agree with your comment in regard to spam, and now that we have "official word" I must also agree that people not wanting to be spoiled shouldn't be searching for the information. I hope this resolves the matter for those involved. -- [[User:Informant|Informant]] 20:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
::Meh, the x coordinate is useless to anyone without extensions so even if you read it accidentally, without any extra info it wouldn't spoil it to hard.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:50, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Good point, I shall change my sig accordingly. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:26, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


I'm pretty sure that a compromise can be reached here.  First off, its sort of trivial whether the house's location is revealed or not; it's a month-long contest for a DVD (as cool as it is, its just a DVD), that any given user has very little chance of winning (as there will likely be thousands of entries by the time the contest ends.)  Why this has inspired such controversy escapes me.  That said, I can see the merits of both sides.  It is true that many players won't care about the "hunting for the house" aspect of the contest, and will simply want to enter the contest right away.  However, it is also true that other players (myself included) enjoy that aspect of the game, and don't want to have the location of the house spoiled for them.  
I actually think Iscarot's straw-man argument of "Then go put a spoiler warning on the page" would be the best option.  This way, we avoid censorship, as those seeking the info can find it.  It would also allow those hoping not to be spoiled to avoid the information, if they so choose.  
As for Iscarot's sig, I would suggest that he change it as it can be construed as forcing info on people who may not want to see it.  For the record this is merely a suggestion, not censorship.  I have no control over Iscarot's sig, but to appeal to him via what seems to me to be a reasonable request.  Also, kudos on at least removing the blinking from it.  I think that actually goes a long way.
Anyway, the only part that would be tricky to compromise in such a manner, would be the main map of Borehamwood, and map of the suburb the big brother house is in.  I'm not really sure how that ought to be handled.
To sum this up, the point that I'm trying to make is that I think its very important that the wiki have something close to a consistent policy regarding disclosure of the BB house's location, and not get bogged down in back and forth re-edits.  I think the only way this is going to happen is if people on both sides of this agree to be reasonable and bend a little.  --[[User:Zarneverfike|Zarneverfike]] 05:37, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
:::You can't have a spolier warning, this is not a fictional event. What next, a spoiler warning on the news? ''"Turn over now if Hamilton winning the World Championship will upset you?"'' This is a factual event, with sourced information. Don't want to know what's going on, don't read the pages.
::::Not to be rude, but I honestly don't understand how an online game about zombies is not fiction.  Also, if you have some sort of vendetta against Hagnat or others, why get back at them by spoiling an element of the game for people completely uninvolved with your feud?  --[[User:Zarneverfike|Zarneverfike]] 22:17, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

:::The blinking was removed at the request of two respected users, however the information will remain due to Hagnat's attempted censorship. I told everyone if he came back he'd start making up rules randomly for the sake of it, he didn't even wait until he was promoted this time. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:26, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
:Unfortunately Iscariot only acted like an asshole because he was prohibited from putting the information on resource pages. We could have had a nice outcome like a spoiler warning but both sides stuck to their guns so we ended up with possibly the least desirable situation. Mevs, it's happened now.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:52, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
:You do realize that any signature could be technically considered forcing information upon someone, rrrriiiiggghhhtt? I don't want to know what you call yourself, you've done forced your name upon me! Police, get that bad (wo)man! (s)he injected words into my brain! With text!--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 10:07, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
::J3D hits the nail on the head. Attempted censorship by Hagnat and cronies forced me to preserve the information. Hagnat has a history of acting with mod powers according to his whim. He could have deleted the page (thus wiping the history to normal users) and then cried his way out of a misconduct case. He can't touch my sig, even if I do break the sig policy he has to give me a week to change it before he goes to A/VB. That's your culprit, not me. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:26, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
:::You could be choosing a better way of doing this Iscariot - the way you're spoiling the hunt or the House for those who haven't found it yet is frankly appalling, and quite insensitive. I believe it should be on the wiki in some form, but properly labeled and hidden in some way. You are being quite arrogant in the way you are spreading this knowledge around the wiki. You appear to be perectly happy to spread what you believe around the wiki, taking no one else's opinion on board, yet reprimand Hagnat for doing what he feels is in the best interests. --[[User:drawde|<span style=";color:Black">'''Drawde'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:drawde| <span style=";color: Blue">'''Talk To Me!'''</span>]] [[DORIS| <span style=";color: Black">'''DORIS'''</span>]] [[Red Rum|<span style=";color: Red">Яed Яum</span>]] [[Ridleybank Resistance Front|<span style=";color: Green">Defend Ridleybonk!</span>]] [[The Know Nothings|<span style=";color: Brown">I know Nothing!</span>]]</sup> 22:59, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
:::I have forced no one not to post this information in here. The removal of the location of the BB building was done by other users, who were equally unhappy with its revealing. And do not accuse me of a crime i never commited, nor would ever commit. What Drawde and Zarneverfike said is right, you are taking this feud of yours against the sysop team to seriously, and you are ruining the gaming experience and good well being of this community to prove yourself better than those who are "''above''" you, which itself is wrong as there is no one above others in here. You have won already, iscariot, the location of the building is revealed and there is nothing we can do to hide it again. Placing it on your sig... that's just being a sore winner, and a trully ass. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 23:12, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

IMHO, any further discussion over this issue is useless. Iscariot already ruined the fun of many users, and with the location of the house being public most of the fun of searching for the building is over. Like predicted, an influx of users towards the house is already noticeble, and i hope they continue playing after tagging themselves in the house. Hip Hip hurray for thee, Iscajerk --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 12:09, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

:And you tried to censor this resource against the basic principles on which it is founded. Resorting to insults? Go cry at someone who cares. 

:Some more things you might not know<nowiki>:</nowiki> They're the same man in ''Fight Club'', Bruce Willis is dead, Kevin Spacey did it, Felipe Massa cries when he loses, Rachel Dawes dies in ''The Dark Knight'' and Soylent Green ''is'' people! -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:26, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
::Grow up. And wouldnt you cry if you had the F1 title and in the last lap you had lost it ? I think i would. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 21:57, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
:::You forgot "it sinks". --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


So yeah, starting a new chain. You know what I think is funny? How you all are singling out Iscariot. You all are complaining about how he is being a jerk about the sekret location, yet, I have it in my sig too, and I think my sig is on more pages than his, and not a word is brought against me. My test is complete. I believe most of you are now just trying to find fault with him for being a dick in other parts of the wiki. Seriously though, not a word against me, yet god forbid if Iscariot does it, huh?

EVERYONE needs to grow up.--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 23:18, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

:Barely noticed yours had the location. I must have grown used to your  sig style. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 23:21, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

== Timeline of House events? ==

I feel that, since the House is a key "objective" (and arguably as important as a mall or police station) then we could do with a timeline and/or status section for people following the metagaming? This event is only 4 weeks long and the House is bound to see serious action, I thought being proactive might be useful. If the House ends up very boring, then we can certainly remove the section. Thoughts? -- [[User:Informant|Informant]] 19:14, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
:Currently, it's 'caded and reasonably well powered. There's a couple of zeds outside, but nobody has memories of life yet. --[[User:DrBowman|DrBowman]] 19:48, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
::Actually i know at least 1 zombie that has MoL and is there... MOre will come anyway. (in spooky voice) ''They're coming to get you, Barbara!'' --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[User:Duke Garland/BHW|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 20:24, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I'm not sure if anyone in the house is doing sufficient scouting, but it's pretty reasonable to assume any Zombie L3 and higher may have MoL. I've seen a few zombies slaughtering each other outside the House, I can only assume it's to farm XP from each other and deny it to the guys inside. All holy hell will break loose when one gets in with infected bites.. -- [[User:Informant|Informant]] 22:13, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
:::I think you meant "''Zahr gamman zah grab hra, Barbara!''" --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 12:29, 4 November 2008 (UTC) <sub>(thanks revenant for the rattle)</sub>

Ok, I've broke it up into 4 weeks (strictly speaking it'll be 4 and a bit, 28th to 28th) and tried to do a concise summary of events local to the BB house. Added some colour, although if people want a "just the facts" version then I can do that too. There's more than a few players are inside the house, if those guys could add the internal aspect then that would be great for posterity. I'm looking forward to Week 4, when I can only assume all hell will have broken loose. If we don't have at least 75% of the population clusterbanging the BB house then I shall be very unhappy! -- [[User:Informant|Informant]] 23:46, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

:So far little has happened in The Big Brother House. The only thing I can think to mention is that somehow a zombie got into the runs and the situation was strangely similar to the one on Dead Set. I had logged off and did not see what happened to it or who it was but when I returned it was gone. When I first arrived I tried to barricade the exits with lead pipes only to find to my dismay that the zombies quickly destroyed them. Several other people tried to do the same until a survivor arrived wih Construction and barricaded the Control Room where I was.