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It finally feels like a zombie apocalypse, eh <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 05:58 2 December 2008 (BST)</small>

== So, what would need to change? ==

It '''is''' a zombie apocalypse game, but it's an open-ended on with no victory conditions for Humans.  The only avenue is really zombie victory and thus game termination and restart.  If the actual point of the game is for eventual zombie domination, then no changes are really needed.

One possible change would be to undermine the zombies just continually standing up where they drop.  If zombies were randomly respawned on the city map several blocks away after a headshot, the hordes would be somewhat diminished and would give human players something of a chance when the swarms come.

== Balance? ==

I agree that the zeds have the better end of the stick at this time. Nice would be weapons that could damage more than 1 zed at a time like a molitov cocktail, or having the cost of rising from the dead higher. That said, a never ending balance is another kind of hell. What would happen if the revive syringes got less effective, and the cost of rising again was 20 AP? I think that it would increase the value of staying alive, and not getting killed no matter what you state was living or dead.
I wonder if Kevan is looking to rest the game after a final zombie victory?

== Let's get wiped out? ==

After all is it so wrong for zombie apocalypse? Lets get an end date with rescue coming and nuking of all zombies afterwards ;) and see if anyone makes it.
However if Malton is to stay open-ended some extra zombie hunter skills would be just what the doctor ordered. Well, actually some new zombie hunter skills that are really annoying for zombies. Right now it's impossible to actually hurt them. It costs 1-6AP with ''Ankle Grab'' to get going again and barricades can't do the job against hordes (even though cumulative APs of builders would be enough to make zombies bash it for eternity, it's good enough for zeds if they wake up at a given time, bash it down in seconds and break in en masse, before first builder waking up). To add suggestion not yet mentioned - zombies may somehow wear-out. Headshots (or new skill) could lower their AP regeneration cumulatively. First would hurt only as much as current version of HS. However getting hits to the brain daily would mean meager AP regeneration in a weak. Effect would go away completely after like 3 days of not getting banged. Feeding on fallen enemies could also lower it.
--[[User:Peterus|Peterus]] 08:07, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

== Making this better ==

You know, you could make this bigger. Give pro-survivor groups and solo's the chance to show support, make a "signed by" list for example. Make support templates. Just some ideas.--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 22:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

== Sign! ==

You guys should sign your posts, so I know where to send the cheese with your whine--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 22:50, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


== A little late ==

Kevan has already upped search rates back up to your little trenchie hearts' desires earlier this week. What's the point of this if the problem has been fixed? It'll take time but you'll get back to your easy living ways that made the game far too easy for you to survive in game. ZOMG, we're not the majority.... THE GAME IZ TEH BROKEN! Give me a break. --[[User:Johnny Bass|Johnny Bass]] 22:57, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

:It's not about surviovors dropping below 50%. Right now there're no green suburbs. Considering that there're only two real tactics for breathing here - outannoying and outboring zombies - we'll probably be all eaten. At least the newbs. As it's pointed out in the article - zombies were powered up several times. Most notably ruins of ransacked center of the town are hampering chances to successfully reconquer them. I do not mind getting eaten, but game simply won't be open ended like this. After current front-line gets ransacked up till the southern boarder zombies will be able to effectively wipe everyone out. Any new presence in the center will be severly penalized by ton of extra AP needed for rebuilding.--[[User:Peterus|Peterus]] 08:18, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

== Chillax ==

I can understand how, when faced with a challenge, a person can become resentful... but we've seen worse times. Just because your formerly green suburb is no longer an Eden doesn't mean you can't have fun. Hell, have you seen Barrville lately? AH is sitting pretty, dodging zeds, catching revives... and enjoying it. 

This '''is''' a zombie apocalypse after all.
{{User:Hardcore Rockabilly/sig}}
:That's not the point - that a suburb has turned from green to red.  The point is that they have ALL turned - there are no green suburbs left.  When over half of the suburbs are either red or ghost towns (as they are now), to me this is a sign that things are clearly out of whack.  And each day that goes by makes it harder to do something about those ghost towns because of the cumulative effects of ruin.  No one is resentful here but we do feel that we have a legitimate point. --[[User:Lucas Black|Lucas Black]]
::The zombies are taking over? Maybe is because the game is a damn Zombie Apocalypse/Survival Game, not a SimCity with zombies being a mild irritation? ADAPT. The old times, when sitting on your "fortresses" and shooting zombies are dead. COORDINATE. I have never seen more than ten survivors acting together, save mall sieges and events (November the 5th). SURVIVE. You are SURVIVORS. You should SURVIVE, not "kIllZ Al ZaMbahZ!!11!shift+oneone1!"--[[User:Shotgunna Ramma|Shotgunna Ramma]]

== A bit of this is good...most is stupid ==

I rather like that first set of your suggestions, about players getting a bit of XP for performing support roles.  I think the lack of them has been a problem for a long time.  XP for currently thankless tasks would encourage SMART playing, which is something survivors desperately need to learn. But the other stuff is just plain stupid.  Survivors don't need flamethrowers, or zombies being forced to feed 24/7. All they really need, to balance out the latest zombie buffs, are improved search rates.  We don't need anything new - we just need to be enabled to do our current jobs more frequently and successfully.  What was really hurting survivors recently was the decay update, combined with ABYSMAL search rates.  Low search rates mean more frustration...and also too few supplies to do anything.  Kevan's just fixed that, and the city will be showing the results shortly.  It's not the end of the world. --[[User:Jen|Jen]] 14:45, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

== Some Additional Suggestions ==

Dude, I'm sorry, but these are hideous. Many of them are straight off the [[Suggestions Dos and Do Nots]], others are familiar from [[Frequently Suggested]], and others are just horrible. May I please suggest reading through both of those, having a good hard think, and then taking anythign that's left to [[Developing Suggestions]] for some discussion with (hopefully) helpful peers?

:''1) Skills for either zombies or humans should start to degrade after a certain point the longer someone remains one or the other (i.e. a dual skilled player that remains a human over 30 days should slowly start to lose zombie skills)''
::[[Suggestions Dos and Do Nots#Leave Other People's Skills Alone|Leave Other People's Skills Alone]].
:''2) Survivors need Weapons of Mass Destruction. Recommend something like a) flamethrower and b) Molotov cocktails that will injure more than one opponent at a time. Fuel cans can be precursors to the fueling of flamethrowers or making of Molotov’s. Wine bottles would also be needed to make Molotov’s (makes these items useful to be found and kept). Both are wildly inaccurate (unless a skill or skill is bought) with a chance of "splash" damage. This damage is indiscriminant can hurt zombie, barricade, generator, and human alike if splash occurs. Fire damage CAN NOT be healed in zombies. Make the flamethrower a hard item to find (or construct in a junkyard), very heavy, has a chance per turn of exploding (goes up if attacked) and with a one shot use (one fuel can, one shot) but with extreme damage (20-30) to large crowds.''
::Perhaps surprisingly, I actually agree that [[Frequently Suggested#Area of Effect Abilities|Area of Effect Abilities]] could be a fun addition to the game. However, given the amount of times it's been suggested, I severely doubt it's going to happen.
:''3) Zombies holding a crucifix should have a 1% chance each turn of being "miraculously" cured and turned back into a human. Adds an element of uncertainty.''
::[[Frequently Suggested#Crucifixes|Crucifixes should be useless, just like in real life]]. These are '''science''' zombies, not ''magical'' ones. Hence the NecroTech-employed scientists running around reviving people.
:''4) Humans with the Brain Rot skill should have a 1% chance of "combusting" into a zombie.''
::Because '''OBVIOUSLY''' it's not hard enough to play a Brain-Rotted survivor already, what with it being exponentially more difficult to get/coordinate revives. No, every Brain-Rotted survivor is just a zombie in pajamas (wolf in sheep's clothing) who's planning to kill all harmanz, whether they know it or not! POOF! There you go, zombified again! How exactly does this help survivors again? <tt>>:3</tt>
:''5) Items carried by a zombie should have a 5% chance of falling off every turn. Only makes sense that items carried would drop off eventually.''
::Right... so the trenchies lose their guns and ammo as they walk to the RP. Brilliant! Newsflash: zombies can't use items, so this will only harm survivors.
:''6) Lastly, zombies should be forced to feed in order to maintain their health. Otherwise they should loss health like infected humans.''
::So let me get this straight, a zombie logs in and stands up from headshot with the 60 HP they've only recently gained thanks to Flesh Rot. Then they go wander and bash on cades for 44 AP, maybe opening a building if it's VS or lower and the RNG doesn't rape them too hard. Now they're down to 16 HP, just perfect for a trenchie to come in and kill them in 2 shotgun blasts, right? Because what Malton '''really needs more of''' is idiots with guns shooting every zombie in sight for easy XP.

All that said, please, do yourself a favour and read up on the game mechanics and have a read through [[Suggestions Dos and Do Nots]] and [[Frequently Suggested]]. You may have some decent ideas in there, but you'll be much better off and your suggestions better recieved if you can avoid the common pitfalls.

One thing you DO have is enthusiasm, which is always good to see. <tt>:)</tt> So, assuming I haven't put you off altogether (I hope not), maybe I'll see you about [[Developing Suggestions]]?
{{User:Revenant/Sig}} 14:49, 6 December 2008 (UTC)