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=Topics Concerning Penny Heights=

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==Penny Heights - Future Ghost Town==
Are there any survivors or survivor groups left in Penny Heights? It's been smashed, ruined, and in the control of wandering mobs of zeds since the RRF tore through, and apart from a few solo operatives, I've not seen any kind of organized survivor presence. Is there even anyone left that considers Penny Heights home? --[[User:DubStreet|DubStreet]] 08:53, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

==Maintaining the Barricade Plan==
A new barricade plan is all well and good; but who is going to maintain buildings to the proper barricade status? NorthEast Penny Heights is not being maintained to the plan. One character cannot implement the barricade plan.
--[[User:Piker Pete|Piker Pete]] 13:46, 9 June 2008 (BST)
:The other plan was a piece of shit, if people like a building caded a certain one they should alter the plan to reflect that, it's a community project that will only work if the community wants it to. Hence the other plan didn't.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:47, 9 June 2008 (BST)
::The pro-survivor groups of Penny Heights will maintain the plan. I thought that would be pretty obvious. Why wouldn't they? It's in all pro-survivor's best interests. The [[BBK]] are doing their best to maintain the proper levels and spread awareness through graffiti, metagaming, and broadcasts. As for the other groups, I'm sure they do the same, but in the end you'd have to ask them.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 06:49, 10 June 2008 (BST)
:::Am I this one character? or is it Nick...or maybe Jed!..no no it could indeed be omegabeetron, or shakey60? Couldn't be, it would have to be Will Nolte! Of course? Dude there is more than one character running this. This plan is far superior to the shitty old one, so jump on board and help out.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 08:57, 10 June 2008 (BST)
::::dude, we are all sockpuppets of the same account, duh. lol remember the time read got accused as being tim's sockpuppet, you were so cut up about that, not that i blame you :P --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:11, 10 June 2008 (BST)
:::::LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLyeah.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 13:25, 10 June 2008 (BST)
::::::Was cut up because it was fucking stupid.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 11:02, 15 June 2008 (BST)
:::::::moar lyk cut up coz it was tim LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:01, 15 June 2008 (BST)

== New Penny Heights Barricade Plan ==
OK. Now I know this ain't gonna be pretty, but quite frankly [[Penny Heights Optimal Defense Plan|this]] needs to change. It's ugly, hard to interpret, doesn't conform to the same style as most other suburbs' plans, isn't followed widely enough, and is outdated (no offense to the guy/(girl?) who made it). 

Now, I just love to stir up controversy so here's my suggestion for a new barricade plan for Penny Heights. This is by no means a final copy. This is just to start the discussion, in much the same way as the revive points proposal was handled.

So, here goes:

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| type00=VSB | text00=the Gracewood Building | content00=
| type10=Street | text10=wasteland | content10=
| type20=Street | text20=Derham Alley | content20=
| type30=EH | text30=a junkyard | content30=
| type40=Street | text40=Isherwood Avenue | content40=
| type50=Street | text50=Eeles Way | content50=
| type60=EH | text60=Keeling Walk Railway Station | content60=
| type70=EH | text70=the Sevier Building | content70=
| type80=EH | text80=Peterson Auto Repair | content80=
| type90=Street | text90=Vaughan Drive | content90=

| type01=Street | text01=Stuart Boulevard | content01=
| type11=Street | text11=Coome Lane | content11=
| type21=Street | text21=Saltrow Park | content21=
| type31=EH | text31=St Danilo's Church | content31=
| type41=RP | text41=a carpark | content41=
| type51=VSB | text51=a warehouse | content51=
| type61=EH | text61=the Voules Museum | content61=
| type71=EH | text71=Buglar Boulevard School | content71=
| type81=Street | text81=Stacey Plaza | content81=
| type91=EH | text91=Club Croxford | content91=

| type02=EH | text02=the Murtaugh Motel | content02=
| type12=Street | text12=Digby Walk | content12=
| type22=FS | text22=Tuxill Alley Fire Station | content22=
| type32=Street | text32=Pike Plaza | content32=
| type42=Street | text42=Akehurst Walk | content42=
| type52=Street | text52=Rossiter Crescent | content52=
| type62=Street | text62=Kettner Drive | content62=
| type72=Street | text72=Manuel Park | content72=
| type82=FS | text82=Fowke Lane Fire Station | content82=
| type92=EH | text92=Leekey Bank | content92=

| type03=Street | text03=Carye Drive | content03=
| type13=EH | text13=Coombe Library | content13=
| type23=EH | text23=Shillito Drive Railway Station | content23=
| type33=EH | text33=Milard Auto Repair | content33=
| type43=EH | text43=a factory | content43=
| type53=EH | text53=the Rothwell Building | content53=
| type63=VSB | text63=Dunlap Bank | content63=
| type73=Street | text73=Dredge Alley | content73=
| type83=EH | text83=a factory | content83=
| type93=Street | text93=Jordan Park | content93=

| type04=Street | text04=Wyatt Way | content04=
| type14=Street | text14=Naish Park | content14=
| type24=Street | text24=Halfacree Square | content24=
| type34=Street | text34=Buteby Avenue | content34=
| type44=Mast  | text44=the Tomkyns Building | content44=
| type54=EH | text54=a junkyard | content54=
| type64=Street | text64=Maddaford Square | content64=
| type74=EH | text74=Club Crosland | content74=
| type84=EH | text84=the Pester Building | content84=
| type94=EH | text94=the Baggaley Building | content94=

| type05=PD | text05=Normandare Boulevard Police Dept | content05=
| type15=RP | text15=Churchous Avenue | content15=
| type25=EH | text25=Fairfield Library | content25=
| type35=EH | text35=a junkyard | content35=
| type45=VSB | text45=St Martha's Church | content45=
| type55=EH | text55=a junkyard | content55=
| type65=School | text65=Shelley Grove School | content65=
| type75=EH | text75=Roberson Library | content75=
| type85=EH | text85=Pyncombes Auto Repair | content85=
| type95=Street | text95=Oakeley Park | content95=

| type06=Street | text06=Sargent Row | content06=
| type16=FS | text16=Hagger Square Fire Station | content16=
| type26=EH | text26=the Craddy Building | content26=
| type36=EH | text36=Rundle Auto Repair | content36=
| type46=EH | text46=the Humphrys Building | content46=
| type56=EH | text56=Gannett Auto Repair | content56=
| type66=Monument | text66=the Coker Monument | content66=
| type76=Street | text76=Sargent Crescent | content76=
| type86=Open | text86=a junkyard | content86=[[Junkyard 98,76|RP]]
| type96=EH | text96=the Shalle Building | content96=

| type07=EH | text07=the Cholmondeley Building | content07=
| type17=EH | text17=Deacon Alley Police Dept | content17=
| type27=EH | text27=Adler Crescent Fire Station | content27=
| type37=EH | text37=the Roger Arms | content37=
| type47=AutoShop | text47=Brimblecombe Auto Repair | content47=
| type57=Monument | text57=the Willmington Monument | content57=
| type67=FS | text67=Langsford Drive Fire Station | content67=
| type77=EH | text77=Josephine General Hospital | content77=
| type87=EH | text87=Cracknell Towers | content87=
| type97=EH | text97=Lumber Mall | content97=

| type08=AutoShop | text08=Neave Auto Repair | content08=
| type18=Street | text18=wasteland | content18=
| type28=VSB | text28=the Orome Arms | content28=
| type38=EH | text38=Windey Towers | content38=
| type48=EH | text48=the Browton Building | content48=
| type58=EH | text58=a junkyard | content58=
| type68=Street | text68=Murless Way | content68=
| type78=H | text78=Odo General Hospital | content78=
| type88=EH | text88=Sulley Bank | content88=
| type98=EH | text98=Lumber Mall | content98=

| type09=EH | text09=Joachim Mall | content09=
| type19=EH | text19=Joachim Mall | content19=
| type29=Street | text29=Earlham Walk | content29=
| type39=Street | text39=Grist Grove | content39=
| type49=EH | text49=the Hazeldine Museum | content49=
| type59=EH | text59=Shickell Drive Railway Station | content59=
| type69=RP | text69=War Crescent | content69=
| type79=Street | text79=Oakley Drive | content79=
| type89=Street | text89=Chedgey Drive | content89=
| type99=VSB | text99=Club Frossard | content99=

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'''''Suggested Changes'''''
#''Shift [[St. Martha's Church]] and [[Shelley Grove School]] EPs 1 square left. (suggested by: [[User:Lufio|Lufio]])''

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It's as [[UBP]] compliant as I could make it, without sacrificing convenience and keeping in mind some of Penny Heights' more unique geographical attributes. I've made sure there's at least 1 PD, Hospital, and Auto Repair at VSB for low level players. All but one of [[Fire Station]]s are at VSB, mainly for their lack of any really useful items, and because they attract zombie numbers but are despensible. Around 26% of the buildings are entry points ([[UBP]] compliant) and each mall has two [[Penny Heights]]-based entry points (one of which is the [[Junkyard 98,76|junkyard RP]]). Both NTs are at EHB. In all but maybe two locations one can find an entry point within 1 ap distance (most 9-block areas have at least 1 entry point). [[Odo General Hospital]] and [[Josephine General Hospital]] are at VSB and EHB respectively (which is what appears to be the arrangement at the moment, although the [[Penny Heights Optimal Defense Plan|current barricade plan]] says differently).

I don't really know what else there is to say about it other than I think it looks waaaaay prettier than the [[Penny Heights Optimal Defense Plan|Optimal Defense Plan]] that's barely in place as of now. This one is a lot easier to interpret and more people will be familiar with the layout. The plan can also be found [[User:Nallan/sandbox|here]].

So constructively criticise away! All opinions welcome (except [[User:Finis Valorum|Finis]]')!--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:04, 1 May 2008 (BST)
:I really like it, its simple, well thought out and fits in with what is currently in place. Also i like what you've done with the junkyard RP, stylish.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:58, 1 May 2008 (BST)

::''(sigh)'' And a big thanks to J3D for his Junkyard RP tile design. Couldn't have done it without you, bro.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 12:14, 1 May 2008 (BST)
:::Oh, and for further reference, there are 63 barricadable locations in total, 17 of which I've designated as EPs (26.98% EPs, roughly).--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 13:09, 1 May 2008 (BST)

:As the official self-appointed barricade enforcer for The Lumberjacks, I find no objectionable elements to your UDP Compliant ODP barricade map. --[[User:Piker Pete|Piker Pete]] 00:38, 2 May 2008 (BST)

:Good work. Hell of a lot easier to read then the last one. Definitely a good step in making Penny Heights a safer and more newbie friendly suburb. --[[User:Scurley7|Scurley7]] 03:49, 2 May 2008 (BST)

: - I like the additions of a couple new [[entry point|entry points]].  I differ in opinion though in using [[St. Martha's Church]] and [[Shelley Grove School]].  Why not shift those [[entry point|entry points]] one building over to the left and make use of those two [[junkyards]] to the left and right of [[St. Martha's Church]]?  Since those two buildings can't be Ransacked, why not leave them open?  You'll be able to use the Legend entry for Unbarricaded Buildings two more times as a bonus.  ^_^  --[[User:Lufio|The Masked Lurker]] 04:37, 2 May 2008 (BST)
::Yeah I wasn't sure on that point, so I'm fine with it either way. Good idea, thanks for the input.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 06:46, 2 May 2008 (BST)
:::The only problem with junkyards as unbarricaded EP's is that the non-freerunning enclined can't sleep in them in safety...I mean theres still a lot of VSB buildings in the burb but just putting that out there.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 03:21, 3 May 2008 (BST)

Sorry about the lateness of this, but as wiki representative for [[LMS]] I thought I'd put an input in. The 'cade plan looks good. However I agree with J3D on the whole junkyards as un'caded entry points, but as for the overall 'cade map it looks good.  {{User:Acoustic_Pie/Sig}} 19:10, 15 May 2008 (BST)
:How bout I move the church ep over to the junky and leave the school ep where it is. A happy medium.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 07:45, 16 May 2008 (BST)
::Barricade Plan [[Penny Heights Barricade Plan|IMPLEMENTED]]!--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 08:49, 19 May 2008 (BST)

==Dear Penny Heights==

The BBK now have [http://www.createforum.com/beatboxkids/index.php?mforum=beatboxkids Forums]. Everyone may join, and there is a special restricted zone for our allies only. We strongly urge other Penny Heights groups to join up and get a few people involved so that we can talk to you on a more tactical level. Thanks--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 14:30, 6 April 2008 (BST)
:Danceyman from [[StarCake Faction]] has already contacted us on our email as the SCF diplomat to the [[BBK]]. So he should make an account if he reads this. And even if he doesn't. We should probably go onto the forums of some less wiki-active groups and ask them if they wanna make an account. K I'm really going now. For real.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 14:45, 6 April 2008 (BST)

==Penny Heights Fall back point==
Well given that almost half of Malton is a Red zone, I was thinking about what will happen once we get completely overrun? This got me thinking of a fall back point. And be it a Mall I believe that [[Lumber Mall]] is a good fall back point for the suburb. It's a TRP, only has 2 blocks and has an RP close by. It has fuel close too. Seem to me like the perfect fall back point. However I'd actually suggest some more survivors start making there way over (not so much so that it thins out the rest of the suburb, but enough) to keep it active. Essentially it is one of the best places in the game as a TRP given its size and place in the map of Malton, but I don't think this is exploited enough. If all these survivors (as the radio is suggesting) 'join together', then Lumber Mall would be a good point of call. It's size has made it a target in the past, and at times it has seen better days, but if we can get in here early then I think this will be an invaluable asset when the zombeis come to town. If anyone is interested in collaborating with the group which looks after the mall please have a look at their wiki [[LMS|here]] and contact them from the links provided. Still, I'm interested to know what the rest of the suburb thinks about this? Oh and with both Odo and Josephine general nearby, there is the added bonus of good heals if the mall isn't available.  {{User:Acoustic_Pie/Sig}} 20:01, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:I totally agree. With the local hospitals, the 1 block away RP, and the fact that more people can be placed in a smaller mall, Lumber seems like a great option for a fall back point. The only problem I see is numbers. How many can we get inside the mall? I think it is time for the members of fallen suburbs to realize that the only way for us to put up any sort of fight is to collaborate together. This is not about groups so much any more, but more about being pro-survivors. One thing we need to make sure of, though, is that at least one of these hospitals remains powered etc. Collaboration between groups is needed, but in a more private setting, I believe. Any suggestions for a medium that is well protected enough for the Penny residents to discuss this in more detail?--[[User:Sexylegsread|MichaelRead]] 03:33, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Well there's the [http://udpennyheights.netfreehost.com/ Penny Heights forums] and also the Unified Human Resistance (which doesn't have a wiki page yet...) is putting together some kind of forum I believe. We'll find out as things progress I guess. Maybe start spreading the word about Penny Heights' value to other groups/suburbs through radio and the wiki. I super pumped for humanity's last great stand though tbH!--[[User:Nallan|Nick]] 03:48, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
::::I think you're right there. The only way we can actively sort out a good defence is if people come together and come to Lumber Mall, there can be an unlimited number of people so long as there are enough to defend it. To be frank, groups who are pro-survivor aren't being too pro-survivor if they don't come into the mall, otherwise everyone will die. Some may live in sporadic buildings, but I'm betting that they won't last long. Also, there will always be forum spies, so nothing is really safe. I see us having one goal basically, so come together in one place and just live it out. Simple as. As remember, Joachim is a mall, but it's 4 blocks, that's effectively cutting all the survivors into quaters. With Lumber you only cut it into half. Hence we need more people. The sooner this is realised the better.  {{User:Acoustic_Pie/Sig}} 13:11, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::Saying that survivors should all go to the malls is a bit too much though. We need to think on the larger scale. We need revivers, we need scouters, we need people to defend the NT. The NT is more important than the mall will ever be. Yes the mall is very important to us, and no doubt should it be high on the priority list, but I think we are forgetting the importance of revivification. I would personally love to give myself over to revives in this seige and just be a defender of the NTs in the area. If we can split up in to a few major groups, we can do this. One to defend Lumber, one to defend NTs and other resource buildings, and another group to go the suburbs that the zombies have left behind and rebuild them. If the horde is pre-occupied with killing Penny, then they wont have much time to go out west and destroy everything again. If we can keep a few suburbs in the west at green while they attack Penny, then we just might split them up a little. They are trying to take over the game, and at the moment we as survivors are letting them by only worrying about our own backyard.--[[User:Sexylegsread|MichaelRead]] 09:14, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::Oh and I am not talking about just Penny Heights, I mean three groups comprising of every human in Malton who still cares enough to defend our city.--[[User:Sexylegsread|MichaelRead]] 09:16, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::: I think you're very right there. The NT buildings are very important and should be well defended. I'm not sure to the Craddy Building, but last time I looked there were some in the other one. Still, I'm betting they'll be the first to go, so please, stock up early!  {{User:Acoustic_Pie/Sig}} 19:30, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


== Colourful history? ==

I've been thinking of writing a good descriptive history for this suburb. A lot of other suburbs have histories and it just gives the place some depth and character. Anyone got any ideas? I'll get the guys from [[ALiM]] to come over here and see what they can come up with.--[[User:Nallan|Nick]] 21:53, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

:Yeah def see what LMS etc have to say on the topic as they probably have some 'real' history to include. maybe something about the [[Great Fire]]?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:42, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

: - Wasn't there an earlier attempt to give some flavor text to Penny Heights?  A history concerning a young woman named Penny who was wrongfully convicted of arson?  Anyways, the text should still be somewhere buried in the [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Penny_Heights&action=history Page History] of [[Penny Heights]].  Why not cannibalize that information?  I forget why someone deleted it though, so you may want to take those objections into consideration.  --[[User:Lufio|The Masked Lurker]] 13:16, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
::oh yeah i remember ages ago. a hunt through the history revealed that it was [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Penny_Heights&oldid=832905 this]. Although i cbf finding out who wrote/deleted it. i'm guessing the reason was its a tad long...perhaps Penny started the great fire?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 03:41, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Ooo maybe. Although I think it's stupid they would name a suburb after a first name, let alone a woman's (haha, jokes guys).--[[User:Nallan|Nick]] 05:57, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah a History of the suburb seems nice, I actually made the history for [[Quarlesbank]] and [[The Elson Building]], to tie in with it. But a history really adds a nice touch to a suburb. As for actual context I don't mind if you add something along the lines of the fire, or something new altogether, all the same a history should include some of the buildings and link in with some of the information already present. It was difficult trying to get everything to fit in like that with [[Quarlesbank]] so do beware if you are going to make a new one. {{User:Acoustic_Pie/Sig}} 19:10, 15 May 2008 (BST)
:No problem. I'll take it into account.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 07:45, 16 May 2008 (BST)

==Barricade Issues==
you retards need to stop EHB everting in Penny Heights!{{unsigned|XryanFx|04:11, 12 October 2008}}


After dieing on the streets multiple times, i have changed the junk yard in penny heights to VSB so it can be used as an entry into buildings for wandering survivors --[[User:Bradley cosman|Bradley cosman]] 23:04, 25 February 2009 (UTC)Bradley Cosman {ZES} Feb.25th 2009

==Thank you==
We would like to thank you for having us to dinner. This was one of the funnest suburbs we've chewed on. Your Zombie Killers put up a fantastic fight for us. Perhaps we can convince some of you to join us for a while in MOB? If you get kind of curious as to how the other side lives (or rots ;) ) you'll know how to find us. Cheers! --{{User:FLZombie/Sig}}