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==The Minor Annoyance==
As per [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Eliminate Criteria 12|this policy]] Speedy Deletion Criterion 12 was removed as a valid reason for having a page speedily deleted. It has now been about a year and a half since this policy was passed and speedy deletions still has the following list:

# '''No Content:''' The page contains no more than a line or two of content that cannot clearly be expanded, consists of random or incoherent content, or is duplicated elsewhere to no purpose. Pages created by Spambots typically fall under this category.
# '''Off-Topic:''' The page is a clearly off-topic page.
# '''Unused Redirect:''' The page is an unused or underused (ie, only 1-2 pages using the link) redirect.
# '''Empty Category:''' The page is a Category page that has no entries within it.
# '''Missed Talk Page:''' The page is a Talk: Page from a previous deletion request that has not been deleted with the request (please note the relevant deletion request if this is so)
# '''Deletion Workaround:''' The page is a duplicate of a page that has been deleted from a previous deletion request (please note the relevant deletion request if this is so). A page that fits this criterion is immediately qualified for deletion ''without'' requiring it be nominated on the 'Speedy Deletions' page. Recreating a page that fits this criterion will get you a polite message to stop doing so. Any further infractions of this nature will qualify as vandalism and will be treated as such. Note that criterion 6 does not apply when the page has been restored through Undeletions.
# '''Author Edit Only:''' The page has been requested for speedy deletion by the original author, and has been edited only by its author. Note that edits by adbots or vandals and reverts caused by them do not count.
# '''User Page:''' The page is a User subpage that has been requested for speedy deletion by the original author.
# '''Personal Page (Prefix Rule):''' The page is named after a user without the "User:" or "Journal:" prefixes and its content has been moved to the appropriate User or Journal page. Includes pages that should be User subpages, ie. in-game characters.
# '''Unused Template:''' The page is a template that has existed for at least one week and is currently unused within the wiki.
# '''Non-existent User Page:''' The page is a User: page for a user that doesn't exist, and any content on the page has been moved to the appropriate User: or Journal: page.
#<del>'''Defunct group page:''' The page is a non-historical group page, it is over two months old, it has not had an update in a month, and is not on the stats page. Such pages will remain in the queue for 5 days to determine their defunct status has been correctly identified. Due to the large number of pages that fit into this criterion, please {{tl|speedydelete12}} on the pages to ensure that they are categorized differently from normal speedy deletion requests.</del> 
#:''As of 2007, September 16, this is no longer a valid criterion.''
# '''Missed sub-page:''' The page is a sub-page from a previous deletion request that has not been deleted with the request, and that serves no individual purpose (please note the relevant deletion request).

==The Solution==
While it's not much of a problem, I suggest that we change this list to the following: 

# '''No Content:''' The page contains no more than a line or two of content that cannot clearly be expanded, consists of random or incoherent content, or is duplicated elsewhere to no purpose. Pages created by Spambots typically fall under this category.
# '''Off-Topic:''' The page is a clearly off-topic page.
# '''Unused Redirect:''' The page is an unused or underused (ie, only 1-2 pages using the link) redirect.
# '''Empty Category:''' The page is a Category page that has no entries within it.
# '''Missed Talk Page:''' The page is a Talk: Page from a previous deletion request that has not been deleted with the request (please note the relevant deletion request if this is so)
# '''Deletion Workaround:''' The page is a duplicate of a page that has been deleted from a previous deletion request (please note the relevant deletion request if this is so). A page that fits this criterion is immediately qualified for deletion ''without'' requiring it be nominated on the 'Speedy Deletions' page. Recreating a page that fits this criterion will get you a polite message to stop doing so. Any further infractions of this nature will qualify as vandalism and will be treated as such. Note that criterion 6 does not apply when the page has been restored through Undeletions.
# '''Author Edit Only:''' The page has been requested for speedy deletion by the original author, and has been edited only by its author. Note that edits by adbots or vandals and reverts caused by them do not count.
# '''User Page:''' The page is a User subpage that has been requested for speedy deletion by the original author.
# '''Personal Page (Prefix Rule):''' The page is named after a user without the "User:" or "Journal:" prefixes and its content has been moved to the appropriate User or Journal page. Includes pages that should be User subpages, ie. in-game characters.
# '''Unused Template:''' The page is a template that has existed for at least one week and is currently unused within the wiki.
# '''Non-existent User Page:''' The page is a User: page for a user that doesn't exist, and any content on the page has been moved to the appropriate User: or Journal: page.
# '''Missed sub-page:''' The page is a sub-page from a previous deletion request that has not been deleted with the request, and that serves no individual purpose (please note the relevant deletion request).


There we go. Nice and tidy. All redundant text removed.

==Voting Section==
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===For===
# :3 --[[User:ScouterTX|ScouterTX]] 21:51, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
# Though some confusion may occur. --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 23:48, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
#:Use J3D's idea for this - just skip over Crit 12. --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 03:08, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
# Pretty sure.. -- {{User:BlackReaper/sig}} 23:54, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
# Yeah sounds good.--[[User:Super Nweb|Super Nweb]] 05:59, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
# Cut the redundant text, but leave a note to avoid confusion. --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 14:55, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

===Against===
# Will raise confusion regarding the missed sub page criterion in the archives seemingly being crit 12. Cut the waffle, sure, but leave a note. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 00:11, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
# As Rooster. Theres value in our history. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 01:03, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
# I say remove it but call crit 13 still 13. So the list goes 1,2, yada yada, 11,13.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:31, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
#You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!  --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 02:53, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
# Leave it. I've been on the wiki long enough now to realize that if something is edited off the page and is archived...within a year the archive seems to disappear and then a year later some dumbass brings the whole issue up AGAIN. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 02:59, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
# Serves two good reasons: 1) reminds us NOT to speedy delete pages which seems to be lacking content and/or from groups who seem to be inactive 2) serves as its own historical record, as it was a policy that raised many discussions. A user which knew Criterion 12 might reference it in another discussion, and another user who werent there wouldnt know unless he had read it on the list of valid criterions... which this policy would nullify while creating some minor confusion --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User_talk:Hagnat|[talk]]] [[wcdz|[wcdz]]]</sup> 03:39, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
# As above. I think the reasons have been pretty much totally explained.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 06:08, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
# As Rooster stated, it will cause confusion.  It is fine as it is. --{{User:Lois_Millard/sig}} 12:15, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
# --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 12:16, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
#Listing the crit is not a problem, while de-listing would cause some. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>¦[[User talk:Midianian|T]]¦[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]¦[[Suggestions|SP]]¦</sup></small> 12:19, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
# [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 18:06, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
# As Mid. Should have been discussed first. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:08, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
# As Maverick, just against. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 21:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)