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==Extend voting period== 

.... to 2 weeks, please. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:50, 30 June 2009 (BST)
:At the moment we have to work on getting all the current guides through, and because Link and I didn't want to clutter up this page with 30 guides at once, we are currently trying to cycle through them all, about 10 at a time. During this time, I will make sure the notice stays on Template:WikiNews so we make sure the coverage continues. After that, once we hit normality and only ''new'' guides start featuring on the Review page, then I agree with two weeks. But given our process at the moment I think one week is apt. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 08:45, 30 June 2009 (BST)
::DDR pretty much summed up my exact thoughts. Not to mention that most voting happens in the first few days anyway, with nearly everything else. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 08:54, 30 June 2009 (BST)
:::I think 2 weeks is more important ''now'' than later. So the community has as much say as possible on the guides already there. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:28, 1 July 2009 (BST)

== Progress count ==

For you, Link. Better to keep this on the talk page. So, as of 1st of June, we have ''Guides for Both'' and ''Language Guides'' up for voting. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 15:58, 30 June 2009 (BST)

==Question==

This might sound a little stupid, but what about Guides having exactly 50% in favor and 50% against? It currently says "more than 50%" and "less than 50%", but nothing about which way 50% goes. Surely it should have been either "Guides with 50% or more support will be placed on the page" or "Guides with 50% or less support will not be placed on the page". Either way, one of them has to include the chance that the votes could end up tied.

And also, the voting time for some of the guides is over. Can anyone close them and tally the votes? - [[User:Whitehouse]] 00:31, 8 July 2009 (BST)
:Be bold and close them. No one will hurt you, and I think it's safe to say that we already have an upper level after bieng listed ont he page that we can assume 50% and below means not listed. Thats just me though.--[[KyleStyle_For_Everything|<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> ]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 00:33, 8 July 2009 (BST)
::Ok, what about votes which were placed after the one week was up, strike them or leave them? - [[User:Whitehouse]] 00:37, 8 July 2009 (BST)
:::Go ahead and leave them. I'd have made the vote two weeks anyway.--[[KyleStyle_For_Everything|<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> ]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 00:38, 8 July 2009 (BST)
I'm going to go ahead and make it a majority vote - 50% is not successful - for now. Contest it if you like. If it comes to a vote, is 50% successful to implement 50% being unsuccessful or do we need a majority? XD --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' 00:53, 8 July 2009 (BST)
:Alrighty.  How about a 50% vote where one of the votes is from a user that just registered and whose only contribution was to vote against?  I believe you know that I am referring to [[Guides/Review#Civility|civility vote]].  Also, can you explain why the language is now being changed and why the hurry to rush this through when the voting section on the Dead has still not been finished?  Come on, don't change stuff around to keep out my little guide.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 01:01, 8 July 2009 (BST)
::Don't cry because your guide was kept out.--[[KyleStyle_For_Everything|<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> ]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 01:02, 8 July 2009 (BST)
:::Blech, oh well, you rushed it through.  Bureaucracy wins over civility and common sense again. --{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 01:03, 8 July 2009 (BST)
::::He didn't rush anything. Don't cry because your guide was kept out. XP --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' 01:05, 8 July 2009 (BST)
::::I didn't rush anything, I wasn't the one who closed it. Hell, I didn't even '''vote''' on your guide.--[[KyleStyle_For_Everything|<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> ]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 01:06, 8 July 2009 (BST)
Ehem, usually you round up, not down. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 01:13, 8 July 2009 (BST)
:Not when you only want the best in there. I feel majority is the way to go. If it isn't up to snuff, fuck it. There are better guides to take it's place.--[[KyleStyle_For_Everything|<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> ]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 01:14, 8 July 2009 (BST)
::Seems like people are more indifferent, really. Is that guide page such a clutter? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 01:17, 8 July 2009 (BST)
:::Maybe....--[[KyleStyle_For_Everything|<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> ]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 01:18, 8 July 2009 (BST)
::::Indeed, for comparison, deletion votes with 50% are kept. Har, I have superior logics, I wins, you loses, neener neeener! --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 01:21, 8 July 2009 (BST)
:::::Yeah, but deletions are permanent and can't be recovered except via cache or something. No one's going to lose anything if a guide doesn't get featured as good. --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' 01:22, 8 July 2009 (BST)
::::::That's not entirely true, except images, but even that will change if Kevan gets around to updating someday. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 01:30, 8 July 2009 (BST)
:::::::50/50 splits in cases where there is no 2/3rds majority rule always result in the negative outcome by default. Deletions, contentious A/VB cases where every sysop weighs in, [other thing I can't think of] etc. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 01:46, 8 July 2009 (BST)
::::::::No, there is no negative or positive outcome. Ties in misconduct, vandalism result in it reverting back to what it originally was, ie. not being vandalism/misconduct and the same with deletions, reverting back to being there (kept). Same would be here, unless Link intended otherwise. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 01:49, 8 July 2009 (BST)
:::::::::All of which are exactly the same thing as the negative outcome, durr. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 01:52, 8 July 2009 (BST)
::::::::::Oh, I see what you mean. You don't mean "bad"... I'm pretty sure it would be the positive outcome, though. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 01:56, 8 July 2009 (BST)
:::::::::::Whatever. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 01:57, 8 July 2009 (BST)
:::It just doesn't belong on the Guides Page. It's more like amusing propaganda for a certain attitude towards the game, rather than a real guide. It can still exist somewhere else, eh?{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>01:23 8 July 2009</tt>
::::Hell, modify it and make it like [[UDWiki:Think_about_the_children]]. Guide material though? No, not really.--[[KyleStyle_For_Everything|<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> ]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 01:27, 8 July 2009 (BST)
:::::Thars a place. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 01:30, 8 July 2009 (BST)
::::::A better place at that. I smell a non-binding community project! :D --[[KyleStyle_For_Everything|<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> ]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 01:31, 8 July 2009 (BST)

Ah yes, to clarify, suicide - when I said "you" rushed it through, I was referring to "you" in general, meaning you [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vogons Vogons].  And I was bitching about the way "you" jumped into hyperdrive at the precise moment when the vote was 50/50 so you could crush my heart of gold.  It looked something like this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUQGYMvI5sk skip to 4:57].--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 00:46, 9 July 2009 (BST)
:But we didn't jump just because it was at 50/50. White house simply asked a few questions and I gave my answers. :( --[[KyleStyle_For_Everything|<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> ]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 02:00, 9 July 2009 (BST)

AHLG you moronicle, your logic just supports SA. Deletion votes that are 50% are kept because 50% vote is not enough to change it from its current state, which is keeping said image/page ''on'' the wiki (as it was before the deletions vote). Same goes here, if you can't get straight majority, your page doesn't go from '''off''' the Guides page to '''on''' the guides page, it stays off, as it was before the vote. as Deletions. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 02:22, 9 July 2009 (BST)
:The guide was already on it, this is here to remove it, same as a deletion vote would be there to remove something. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:27, 9 July 2009 (BST)
::By default, the new guides page will have only the successful ones on it. the old guides page doesn't apply. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 02:57, 9 July 2009 (BST)
:::Not really making sense there, we're [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Guides&diff=1502918&oldid=1489364 removing] guides, and adding a couple of sections. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 18:22, 9 July 2009 (BST)
::::<Grim s>I'm right.</Grim s> I'll compromise by making [[Guides]] a redirect to [[:Category:Guides]], since they're basically near duplicate pages, and the category one holds more information. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 18:38, 9 July 2009 (BST)
:::::What doesn't make sense? Guides that didn't get 51%+ support in voting get removed, and that little reorganization is obvious - "Siege PKer's Guide" does not belong under "Guides for both." --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' 18:41, 9 July 2009 (BST)
::::::What? I'm we're not talking about that, we're still talking about whether it 50% is keep or remove, after DDR resurrected this issue for some retarded reason. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 18:43, 9 July 2009 (BST)
:::::::'''''"A guide which has less than <big><big>or equal to 50%</big></big> Support will not be placed on the page"'''''<br />Why are you being so dumb over this one stupid guide? --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 19:10, 9 July 2009 (BST)
::::::::I am aware of that, seems somewhat contradictory, all the guides were on the page beforehand, unless we're going to pretend that we're starting from scratch, now? Whatever, this conversation was done at whatever. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 19:13, 9 July 2009 (BST)
:::::::::For all intents and purposes we ''are'' starting at scratch because this is the first time guides have ever been voted on so instead of making a whole new page we're just using the framework that's already in place. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 19:15, 9 July 2009 (BST)
::::::::::Ok. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 19:17, 9 July 2009 (BST)