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==[[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal Banning/Archive/2009 09|September 2009]]==
===[[User:Thurgood]]===
{{vndl|Thurgood}}
{{verdict}}

The spammer is back. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:30, 17 September 2009 (BST)

'''Permabanned''' --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 02:03, 18 September 2009 (BST)

===[[User:Yonnua Koponen]] and [[User:BobBoberton]]===
{{vndl|Yonnua Koponen}}
{{vndl|BobBoberton}}
{{verdict}}

I've tried to be nice, I have. I've explained things slowly on Talk:Suggestions, I've helped newbies, I found DDR his precedents. I turn down an open and shut Misconduct case to demonstrate this new outlook of moving the wiki forward.

I try and work on a project in my user space and I'm assaulted by idiots. I went to the time of having the talk page protected so this could stay with a certain group of users until it's workable. I even spent time coding a notice for the top of the page with the relevant policy in it.

[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User%3AIscariot%2FPD%2F1&diff=1564189&oldid=1564188 But], [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User:Iscariot/PD/1&diff=next&oldid=1564189 no]....

Can anyone tell me how they've managed to read the project, picked up.... well the most pointless piece of minutiae there.... and manage to miss THE HUGE FUCKING NOTICE THAT STATES DON'T EDIT THIS PAGE UNLESS ASKED OR I WILL TAKE YOU TO A/VB?

I mean, is it deliberate? Would they prefer thousands of misconduct cases? Are they bored? Is that it?

Both of them, editing a user page without permission. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:20, 16 September 2009 (BST)
:Shit, sorry. i seem to have missed that. I am desperately sorry, Iscariot, and hope you will accept my deepest apologies on the matter. Truth be told, I haven't really been that with it as of late. Once again, sorry.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 07:10, 16 September 2009 (BST)
::Alright, now that I've gone back and looked at the page, I can kind of see why I did it, but it's still pretty blaring. I redirected in to it from Cyberbob's talk, after your edit, so I ended up not seeing the name, which I really should've looked at. I thought that the template at the top was a Discussion template. I can't seem to find an example now, but I recall a similar template being attached to discussions before. Anyway, I then skimmed through it, and saw cyberbob's comments at the bottom, mistakingly thinking that that was where I should comment. Once again, I accept that I made a horrific mistake, and am very sorry.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 07:21, 16 September 2009 (BST)

'''Not Vandalism''' - A good-faith mistake with a good-faith purpose- to help with something that was, at heart, very much like a policy discussion, enough to mistaken it as such. If they persisted then I would have ruled vandalism, but I think you really should have just removed the comments and warned them not to do it again on their talk pages before going to A/VB. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 16:03, 16 September 2009 (BST)
:[[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2009_03#User:Jarethshadow|Behold]] the precedent you've just ignored. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:24, 16 September 2009 (BST)
::Some retard coming onto a group page and claiming to be the leader of a strike and directly claiming responsibility for its success (and hence representing the group misleadingly) does not equal users trying give community input onto a page which has the talk page protected and should be in A/PD anyway. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 16:29, 16 September 2009 (BST)
:::It's not a group page, it's a user page. Have you read the policy, that I linked that states clearly that I can do whatever I want in my user space as those pages are ''my sole property''? Your opinion of where I should put my projects is your own concern, the fact remains that my user page has been edited against my wishes, precedent shows this to be clear vandalism. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:32, 16 September 2009 (BST)
::::Nubis thought he was dealing with a group page, check the warning he gave the user. You linked no policy, because no policy says that editing a user subpage is clear-cut vandalism, it only states that the user has total control over what appears on their user subpages. You have the control, so delete it already, don't run to A/VB to punish people for trying to help out. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 17:46, 16 September 2009 (BST)
::I'd also like to point out that that case was ruled on unanimously by Nubis, who at that time may well have been DCC.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 16:46, 16 September 2009 (BST)

'''Not vandalism''' - unwanted edits to owned pages are not automatically [[UDWiki:Vandalism|vandalism]]. Both of these were done in a good faith attempt to improve the page, and wiki as a whole. I notice that this is another [[User_talk:DanceDanceRevolution#Undeletion|example]] of Iscariot using namespace pages in other than the traditional sense. He is treating this User: page as a User_talk: page. It is not vandalism for someone to leave a constructive comment on such a page. The User: page ownership protection is there to make it clear that POV content is acceptable, and not to be removed simply because others don't like it. Not to enforce elitist rules about who may and may not contribute in a constructive manner to active discussions (unless a clear pattern is established, making it harrassment) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 21:50 16 September 2009 (BST)</small>

===[[User:DCC]]===
{{vndl|DCC}}{{Verdict}}

For starting a [[A/PM#User:Nubis|promotions bid]] for an account that he admits he has stolen, with the sole intent of continuing his latest bout of [[A/M|drama]] <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 21:41 15 September 2009 (BST)</small>

'''Not Vandalism''' - It's just a bid, assuming good faith, he's probably just trying the "hero" thing he and Karek managed to pull off early this year. If he tries again, ''then'' I'll push for vandalism. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 01:47, 16 September 2009 (BST)

===[[User:WanYao]]===
{{vndl|WanYao}} {{verdict|Requested Ban|Monthly Ban}}

Requesting a 30 day self-imposed ban. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:53, 15 September 2009 (BST)
:Done. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 13:35, 15 September 2009 (BST)
::Protection of Wan's pages, including his talk page, still needs doing. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:24, 15 September 2009 (BST)
:::We protect talk-pages during self-bans?--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 23:47, 15 September 2009 (BST)
::::No (unless they ask), only vandals, to stop people antagonizing/provoking. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 00:00, 16 September 2009 (BST)
:::::Yes, we do. The [[UDWiki:Administration/Guidelines#Scheduled_Protections|scheduling criteria]] states only banned users, not vandals. The Protection is there to prevent Wan's pages being trolled by people he doesn't like leaving him no ability to reply without breaking his requested ban. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:07, 16 September 2009 (BST)
::::::That's not the point of of that scheduled protection, it might however be reason to protect the main talk page, if Wan were to have any crazy enemies trolling around, which he doesn't. There's no reason to be paranoid. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 00:19, 16 September 2009 (BST)

===[[User:A11an0n]]===
{{vndl|A11an0n}} {{verdict|Vandalism|Warned}}
[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3AA11an0n&diff=1560354&oldid=1560223 Another case of impersonation...] --{{User:ObiFireFighter/sig}} 21:45, 11 September 2009 (BST)

'''Vandalism''' - Warned. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 02:32, 12 September 2009 (BST)

===[[User:Dhavid_Grohl]]===
{{vndl|Dhavid_Grohl}}{{verdict|Vandalism|Warned}}

[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Team_Zombie_Hardcore/MOST_SUCK_Page&curid=119233&diff=1560686&oldid=1560544&rcid=1597594 Impersonation?] -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:41, 11 September 2009 (BST)

'''Vandalism''' - Yup, looks like it to me.--{{User:The General/sig}} 21:26, 11 September 2009 (BST)

===[[User:DCC]]===
{{vndl|DCC}}{{verdict|Vandalism|Warned}}

hacked my account.  seriously what the fuck goons. {{User:Nubis/sig}} 19:39, 10 September 2009 (BST)
:YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT! SINCE WHEN IS FUCKING HACKING VANDALISM? NOT MY FAULT YOUR FUCKING PASSWORD WAS DHPDSUX YOU STUPID ASS --[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]'''  <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 19:41, 10 September 2009 (BST)
::i thought we were pals.  et tu brut? {{User:Nubis/sig}} 19:43, 10 September 2009 (BST)
:::We were "pals" until you broke up with me.  Then I decided to make your life fucking hell. Good luck getting out from under all this shit! FUCK OFF! --[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]'''  <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 19:45, 10 September 2009 (BST)
::::that's it.  i'm going sober from now on.  alcohol kills lives {{User:Nubis/sig}} 19:47, 10 September 2009 (BST)
:::::This is goon "humour"... ''***yawn***'' --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 03:58, 11 September 2009 (BST)
:::::spoken like a true neckbearded recluse.  what's mom making you for dinner tonight? {{User:Nubis/sig}} 22:26, 13 September 2009 (BST)
Wut? =/ This just gets even more retarded. Particularly since you were unbanned from the same IP as DCC then posted with a new IP a couple of minutes later. And judging by the time length between the posts, that would give enough time to swap to a proxy and back again. I'm quite willing to call bullshit on this especially since you say ''i haven't touched this shit in years''. If so, why come back now? What prompted that? And sorry if I seem a bit distrusting, I get a bit paranoid when I've been drinking. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 21:02, 10 September 2009 (BST)
::That's not the drink, it's a result of having to deal with goons <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 21:34 10 September 2009 (BST)</small>
:Ok. I've investigated this using the checkuser logs and various IP hunter thingys and the only Nubis IP prior to this mess I found from 22nd November 2007 (incase someone else wants to check) matches with the location of the IP that was used today to post this case. The DCC IP's originate from a place several US states away from this location. However, I'm still not entirely convinced as this doesn't explain the unbanning from the DCC IP and it just in general smells funny to me. I may be wrong, I may be right but in either case this definitely needs sorted. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 21:31, 10 September 2009 (BST)
::''unbanning from the DCC IP'' moment of weakness...--[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]'''  <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 02:35, 11 September 2009 (BST)
:If Nubis has indeed been inactive since 2007, then I believe [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Truly_Inactive_Sysops|we have a policy]] that states what should be done in relation to the sysop status. As for this case, I have posted a bunch of evidence [[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Jinkies|here]] that shows all of the actions that DCC took while in control of Nubis's account (not counting impersonation). Effectively, the easiest solution would be to keep Nubis demoted due to inactivity and perma-ban DCC and is IP for impersonation and hacking. That follows the idea of looking for the good in the case, and stops any potential problems from occurring in the future. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:50, 10 September 2009 (BST)
:::Nubis was active in 2008 - he changed his user page to the DHPD page and pissed people off. I had a week ban in April. I would think one of the Mensa applicant Sysops at the time would have noticed if his name came up when they banned me.... That puts a hole in the theory right there.--[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]'''  <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 22:50, 13 September 2009 (BST)
::^Agreed. It's obvious that DCC is still using Nubis's account, in an attempt to cause as much shit as he can.--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 23:37, 10 September 2009 (BST)

Whoa. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 01:58, 11 September 2009 (BST)

It's interesting to see Nubis didn't use the <nowiki>{{verdict}}</nowiki> template... Very oldschool, eh? eh? --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 03:27, 11 September 2009 (BST)
:The new-school nubis hated that stupid template too though.--[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]'''  <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 22:53, 13 September 2009 (BST)
eh perma them both and get this over with.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 03:27, 11 September 2009 (BST)

'''Vandalism''' - either DCC hacked Nubis' account, or he's been given control of it, and is stirring drama. Either way, it's bad faith <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 15:53 11 September 2009 (BST)</small>

'''Vandalism''' - It seems like a lot of work but I'd like to see DCC escalated as per all the vandal escalations discovered recently- a permaban if need be, but one step at a time for now. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 17:05, 11 September 2009 (BST)
:I blanked a talk page and made a ridiculous claim that you are all supporting. But it's ok DDR you take out your impotent fury on me. there there baby ... does that make you feel like a big man? --[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]'''  <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 18:56, 11 September 2009 (BST)
::As one of many other things, you also [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Data&diff=prev&oldid=1329118 reduced your vandal escalations] against the rules. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 19:15, 11 September 2009 (BST)
::I have no fury to channel. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 04:24, 12 September 2009 (BST)
The stikes done by Nubis have been undone, and a new '''warning''' added to [[A/VD]] <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 03:04 12 September 2009 (BST)</small>
:Whoa, whoa, whoa. If this case doesn't start to entail all of his previous vandalism counts and such done whilst supposedly under the control of Nubis' account, I won't know what you guys are thinking. I'd like to have DCC brought forward for all the counts of multi-voting and other infractions (ruled on and punished seperately), and a punishment apply as per the guideline's vandal escalation system. If need be, I'll put forward a seperate case. I'm busy right now so I'll come back later with links, depending on how the sysops view this proposal by the time I return. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 04:24, 12 September 2009 (BST)
::That second sentence is one of the most awkward things I've ever read. Just saying. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 05:14, 12 September 2009 (BST)
:::The question, though, is do you agree that DCC should be escalated for multivoting? I submit [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Autoconfirmed_Group_Trial|these]] [[UDWiki:Administration/Bureaucrat_Promotions/February_2009|two]] cases for now... --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 14:15, 12 September 2009 (BST)
::::Yes I do, but only once. I also think her current escalations should be re-struck as she has met the requirements for having it done for each and every one of them. The identity of the person that did the striking is irrelevant - yes it is Misconduct on Nubis' part but it changes nothing about the number of edits DCC made. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 14:41, 12 September 2009 (BST)
:::::It's only misconduct if I didn't have the edits as proven by the lovely Iscariot's A/M case against Nubs. --[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]'''  <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 17:23, 12 September 2009 (BST)

===[[User:Humpty dumpty]]===
{{vndl|Humpty dumpty}} {{verdict|Vandal alt|Permaban}}

Confirmed alt of Fantastic. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 03:07, 9 September 2009 (BST)

===[[User:Fantastic]]===
{{vndl|Fantastic}} {{verdict|Vandal Alt|Permaban}}

[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:DanceDanceRevolution&diff=prev&oldid=1559021 Blanked] DDR's talk page--{{User:OrangeGaf/Sig}} 02:52, 9 September 2009 (BST)

'''Banned''', assuming it's an alt related to the below occurances. If those think that it isn't, feel free to override the ban. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 02:56, 9 September 2009 (BST)
:Don't be such a goddamn pansy. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 02:58, 9 September 2009 (BST)
::Hmm? --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 03:03, 9 September 2009 (BST)

===[[User:Rebel without a clue]]===
{{vndl|Rebel without a clue}}{{verdict|Vandal alt|Permaban}}

3page. Banned. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 01:42, 9 September 2009 (BST)

===Signature Vandalism===
{{verdict|Vandalism|Permabanned}}
Several new user accounts vandalising signatures. All permabanned for the vandalism. Checkuser reveals different IPs for each. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 01:59, 8 September 2009 (BST)
:Block the IPs as well - it makes it so they have to find unique proxies for each new account they make. It's not much but any extra work we can make them do helps. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 05:35, 8 September 2009 (BST)

====Two More====
{{vndl|Zombie boy}}

{{vndl|Sup dog!!!}}}

Also nabbed these two with suspicious account creation times and edits, sharing an IP that locates to the same location as one of the vandal accounts below. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 02:39, 8 September 2009 (BST)

====[[User:Nil gold]]====
{{vndl|Nil gold}}

Seems to be an alt of Laffertaf, Boisy idaho and Tasty bat--{{User:OrangeGaf/Sig}} 01:57, 8 September 2009 (BST)
:'''Permabanned''' as a suspicious alt of the below. Only contribution was a comment on my talk page. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 01:59, 8 September 2009 (BST)

====[[User:Laffertaf]]====
{{vndl|Laffertaf}}

Hit Cyberbob's signature, as below.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:47, 8 September 2009 (BST)
:And DDR's.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:47, 8 September 2009 (BST)
:'''Permabanned''' as the rest. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 01:59, 8 September 2009 (BST)

====[[User:Boisy idaho|Boisy idaho]]====
{{vndl|Boisy idaho}}

{{vndl|Huges}}

[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User%3ACyberbob240%2FSig&diff=1557954&oldid=1536791 Wiping Cyberbob's sig]
:[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User%3ACyberbob240%2FSig&diff=1557957&oldid=1557956 twice].
::5 times.
--{{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 01:28, 8 September 2009 (BST)

P.S. I got a feeling this is the same guy. Be on the watchout.--{{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 01:29, 8 September 2009 (BST)

:'''Permabanned''' for vandalism, and another account [[User:Huges]] for working around the ban. Checkuser turns up different IPs, so likely a proxy. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 01:43, 8 September 2009 (BST)

====[[User:Tasty bat]]====
{{vndl|Tasty bat}}

[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User%3ADanceDanceRevolution%2Fsigcode&diff=1557939&oldid=1538026 Very long vandalisms.] --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 01:18, 8 September 2009 (BST)
:[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User%3ADanceDanceRevolution%2Fsigcode&diff=1557943&oldid=1557942 And again.] --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 01:20, 8 September 2009 (BST)

:'''Permabanned''' as likely alt of the above. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 01:59, 8 September 2009 (BST)

===[[User:The_3pwv_...]]===
{{vndl|The_3pwv_...}} {{verdict|Vandalism|Permaban}}
Reported, for being the 3pwv.  I thought I would just remind people of the correct procedure.  Its likely that the mods have gotten sloppy.  [[User:The 3pwv ...|The 3pwv ...]] 18:58, 7 September 2009 (BST)
:Or we're all busy. '''Permaban'''. If anymore crop up peeps, just pop them under this one as <nowiki>{{vndl|name here}}</nowiki> rather than making a brand new header for no reason.  -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:38, 7 September 2009 (BST)

===[[User:Nallan]]===
{{vndl|Nallan}} {{verdict}}
For submitting the below case. Usually I don't do this but I suspect this is just a product of J3D requiring Nallan to submit it rather than himself to temporarily salvage his image for the relevant [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2009_09#User:J3D|case]] further down. I request a soft warning. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 13:21, 6 September 2009 (BST)
:You 'suspect' therefore you submit for VB, very unlike you I hope you pull this or something....you can't put someone up for VB on suspicion, it's entirely what Bob did and you voted Misconduct for.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 14:40, 6 September 2009 (BST)
::Big difference in the cases, but nice try. That A/VB was clearly petty and was more "shitting up" an admin page than Bob's comment. '''Vandalism'''. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 19:44, 6 September 2009 (BST)
::You don't see me putting J3D up do you? Hence I'm not a) acting on a suspicion (which would be putting J3D up based on the 'suspicion' he's using nick to meatpuppet cases), I'm acting, rather, on the ''case'' below being petty and, b) I'm not ruling soley on this case, hence not ''acting'' on a 'suspicion'. There's a mountain of difference between this and that which you cite. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 03:33, 7 September 2009 (BST)
:Contrary to what you might think, I am capable of independent thought - amazing as it may seem to you, DDR.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 04:30, 7 September 2009 (BST)
::Thought, maybe. Actions? Well... ;D --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 04:42, 7 September 2009 (BST)
:::It's not so much me requesting him, more of a hive mind.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:42, 9 September 2009 (BST)
I'd be soft warning him, again, rather than ruling vandalism here <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 11:30 8 September 2009 (BST)</small>

===[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob (3)]]===
{{vndl|Cyberbob240}} {{verdict|Not Vandalism}}
[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FVandal_Banning%2FArchive%2F2009_09&diff=1556136&oldid=1556135 Shitting] up admin pages.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 06:47, 6 September 2009 (BST)
:This case is a supreme irony and possibly vandalism in of itself. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 06:52, 6 September 2009 (BST)
::Not only was the comment irrelevant, frivolous and inflammatory... but after I moved it to the Talk page, which seemed to be the appropriate thing to do with such completely counterproductive "commentary", cyberbob actually undid that edit. IMNSHO definately an edit not in the interest of improving the wiki and certainly shitting up the admin page. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:06, 6 September 2009 (BST)

You know what? Can a 3rd party file an Arbitration case... To force two other parties to stop shitting up Admin pages and just generally being asshats? Seriously. In best interests of the wiki, Cyberbob not file any further vandalism cases against the 2 Cool clique, and that the 2 Cool clique should not file any more fucking Vandalism or Misconduct cases against Cyberbob. Leave the filing of such cases up to others. Because at this point I don't think either party can be trusted to be objective about this. I don't care if they are, in fact, attempting to be as objective as possible -- they will '''never''' have the appearance of objectivity, and I believe that they will never have the ''reality'' of objectivity, either. And in the meantime this feud is needlessly shitting up the Admin pages and causing pointless drama. 

So... Do we have a deal? You guys want to step up and take the opportunity to start acting like adults? And voluntarily accept this restriction? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 08:55, 6 September 2009 (BST)

''See talk page''

'''Not vandalism''', it was a case brought against him <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 11:51 6 September 2009 (BST)</small>

'''Not Vandalism''' --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 13:38, 6 September 2009 (BST)

'''Not Vandalism''' --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 19:42, 6 September 2009 (BST)

===[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob240 (2)]]===
{{vndl|Cyberbob240}} {{verdict|Not Vandalism|None Required}}  

For repeatedly submitting petty cases to A/VB. This report is specifically motivated by the report against J3D below -- which just the latest in a string of mostly petty cases made against j3d and his group of friends. While some of the actions/reprots are certainly legitimate, taken as a whole they represent an obviously personal agenda. And the utter frivolity of last case in particular takes it to point of, if not out-and-out harassment, definately a case of bad faith shitting up an admin page. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:37, 6 September 2009 (BST)
:hahaha {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 06:41, 6 September 2009 (BST)

''See talk page''

I can see a soft warning coming on soon, but '''not vandalism''' yet <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 11:50 6 September 2009 (BST)</small>

'''Soft Warning''' - I see little difference with what Bob does to J3D as what the latter does to us sysops. While J3D does it out of bitterness (or 'for the lulz' as he would probably claim), I don't approve of Bob using contentious and borderline cases via the A/VB system to push out the users that he has personal conflicts with. Without solid evidence towards ''long term'' harassment (which I'm not obliged to find myself because I don't think it exists thus far), there is nothing here that requires more than a soft warning at this point. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 13:16, 6 September 2009 (BST)
:'''Not Vandalism''' Bob has every right to post a case on any edit that he sees as "bad faith". How can you claim that users can submit A/M cases whenever they want (even on things not using sysop powers) but Bob can't report anything that he sees as bad faith? Perhaps, if the "guidelines" on A/VB said that you have to post on the user's talk page before making a case these things wouldn't happen. But since that isn't really part of the policy you can't punish him for making cases unti you are ready to bring a harassment case against him. And with these two more than likely both would go down for it.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 19:40, 6 September 2009 (BST)
::''"Bob has every right to post a case on any edit that he sees as "bad faith"."'' Except when I post a case, it's vandalism. Is that right? Double standard much?--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 22:23, 6 September 2009 (BST)
:::I'll type this slow so you can understand. Your case is that he shat up a page by posting hahah on it while you are shitting up the page by posting something that can not be seen as a bad faith edit. Your edit is clearly just to cause drama because there are TONS of other pages that bob posted hahaha on that you didn't report. So get off the fucking cross.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 23:47, 7 September 2009 (BST)
:Not to mention the fact that I was also posting on '''my own case'''. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 00:48, 8 September 2009 (BST)

===[[User:J3D|J3D (2)]]===
{{vndl|J3D}} {{verdict|Not Vandalism|Non required}}

[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FDemotions&diff=1556118&oldid=1555563 I don't think anybody could reasonably argue that the use of the word "negress" in this way is anything but racist.] {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 06:28, 6 September 2009 (BST)
:Actually i will argue. Negress is the female version of negro, akin to jewess. While some people may find those words offensive they are not intrinsically racist like one might argue "nigger" is. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:31, 6 September 2009 (BST)
::I know exactly what it is the female version of. The fact that you used a racial term as an insult is all that is relevant here - oh and by the way the word "jewess" is pretty fucking racist. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 06:33, 6 September 2009 (BST)
:::Some find it racist, some don't. It is not even close to universally accepted as racist as "nigger". And i wasn't calling hungnut that as an insult, merely a term of endearment.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:35, 6 September 2009 (BST)
::::Hmmmmno don't think that's going to fly. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 06:37, 6 September 2009 (BST)
:::::In Hagnats language, Negro, or Negress, means close friend and can also mean "person of Individual Skin Colour". In his country that word is used as the polite way of describing someone who is dear to them, regardless of colour. It is "Negra" that means black person.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 06:38, 6 September 2009 (BST)
:::::[http://spanish.about.com/od/wordoftheday/p/word53.htm here is an example of the word Negro being used as the colour Black as well, another common use in the Spanish language]--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 06:48, 6 September 2009 (BST)
[http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=negress See] bob, clearly not offencive, quite different to the word [http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nigger "nigger"] --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:40, 6 September 2009 (BST)
:Yeah, if you had used "nigger" I would understand why you would be taken to a/vb. But negress? Why I'd be delighted to be called a negress!--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 06:42, 6 September 2009 (BST)
::Shut the fuck up you filthy "negress" --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:43, 6 September 2009 (BST)

''See talk page''

It does look like a "term of endearment" type comment for mine... I'm pretty sure that Hagnat wouldn't take offense at it <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 11:43 6 September 2009 (BST)</small>
:[[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct/Archive/Boxy/2009#Abstain|Retain vote #4]] has some interesting comments from Bob... <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:37 6 September 2009 (BST)</small>
::You gonna report him for that or just sit there jackin off? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 03:34, 11 September 2009 (BST)
:::Following you're own argument, none of us "think" it's vandalism, so why bother? You're welcome to do it yourself if you consider if vandalism. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 17:18, 11 September 2009 (BST)
::::You know full well i don't, but the cases where i was escalated for use of the words "nigger" and "african american" are no where near as bad as that, and since you thought they were vandalism i can only assume...well....sysop bias...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:05, 12 September 2009 (BST)
'''Not Vandalism''' - I'm not going to vote vandalism to every joking use (or variation) of the word "nigger", and pulling him up for every one of its uses like a nazi isn't looking good for you Bob, particularly after Boxy's link above demonstrating how you use it to demonstrate petty personal examples yourself. I know the contexts of that and this are different, but unlike his two last escalations where J3D spouted it out in bold on a highly viewed admin page (rather than actually voting as is [[A/PM]]'s use), or the below example where Read defamed Australian Indigenous tribesmen as being offensive, uncultured thieves, this is just a racist joke in its smallest form. Poor form, simply ignore it as such. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 13:03, 6 September 2009 (BST)

===[[User:J3D]]===
{{vndl|J3D}} {{verdict|Vandalism|24hr ban}}

For creating a metric shitton of stupid personal cases against people over the past year. This has been ruled Not Vandalism before based on a supposed inability to prove a pattern, but I feel the torrent of cases we have seen from him over the last few days finish the job more than sufficiently. I can link to them all if I must but I'd say that pretty much everyone in a position to rule on this knows about the cases I'm referring to. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 04:43, 5 September 2009 (BST)
:Link or GTFO cyberbob. I don't want nubis' overactive imagination ruling on this case i want some solid links, don't be a lazy sod and get hunting *jabs cyberbob with stick*--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:45, 5 September 2009 (BST)
::[[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2008_12#User:Cyberbob240|This]], [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2009_06#User:DanceDanceRevolution|this]], [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2009_06#User:Nubis|this]], [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2009_04#User:Cyberbob240|this]], [[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct/Archive/Boxy/2008#2008.2C_April_07|this]], [[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct/Archive/Boxy/2008#2008.2C_December_21|this]], [[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct/Archive/Nubis/2009#16_March|this]], [[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct/Archive/Nubis/2009#26_March|this]], [[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Cyberbob_.282.29|this]] and [[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Nubis_.282.29|this]] are what I was able to come up with from a quick skim. Also countless attempts to threaten sysops with misconduct cases over completely useless bullshit ([http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FDemotions&diff=1554540&oldid=1553977 example]). {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 17:20, 5 September 2009 (BST)
:::<small>See the talk page {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 02:26, 6 September 2009 (BST)</small>

eh. escalate me for this if y'all want, can't say i care at all. Didn't have time to thoroughly look at all links (just gave em a quick skim ;) ) but it seems while they are minor, they are also valid concerns (excluding drunk ddr one). People should be allowed to bring cases if ''they'' believe they are vandalism, even if nobody else does. Warning me or banning me or wahtever won't change that attitude.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:02, 6 September 2009 (BST)
:Indeed they should - for the most part. Sometimes it gets to the point where it becomes obvious that the only reason a person thinks that something is vandalism is because they personally dislike the other person. I've been guilty of this myself on occasion but I've tried not to make a habit of it - whereas you practically get off on it. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 06:31, 6 September 2009 (BST)
::Not practically. And maybe i just hold you and nubis to a higher standard than a user who has been here a month, some might consider that a good thing...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:32, 6 September 2009 (BST)
:::Not practically, but actually? Also lolbullshit. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 06:34, 6 September 2009 (BST)
::::Yeah i came on the keyboard last time i made a misconduct case, so fucking hot.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:36, 6 September 2009 (BST)

''See talk page''

I'm not going to vandal ban people for [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2008_12#User:J3D_2|misconduct cases]] (barring complete nonsense), it is like the court of appeal, and users need to be free to appeal sysop decisions there, even if it becomes extremely tiring... however this rash of VB cases, back and forth is likely to end in soft warnings, or more, very soon <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 11:41 6 September 2009 (BST)</small>

'''Vandalism''' - I support the questioning of our sysops via A/VB and A/M completely, but J3D has persisted in a manor which has simply served as taking up our time with cases that are not only petty, but he doesn't even bother bringing them in an appropriate or workable manor. [[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Nubis_.282.29|Here]] he spends more time defending himself for ''bringing'' said case, whilst [[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct/Archive/Nubis/2009#4_June_Part_1|here]] he just leaps on one legitimate case with a stupid, one-sentence reason which doesn't give the background to the misconduct in question. Approaching a case with language like [[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct/Archive/Nubis/2009#26_March|this]] is also nothing to be proud of. Cases like [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2009_06#User:Nubis|this]] deflate the misconduct in question entirely. And [[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct/Archive/Boxy/2008#2008.2C_December_21|here]] is a demonstration of him going through with cases before actually reading the simple details, as was [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FDemotions&diff=1554540&oldid=1553977 this]. I like users that question our actions, but J3D seems to just want to be the first one to put forward the case without any care for its result... At leased Iscariot ''tried''... --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 13:36, 6 September 2009 (BST)

I'd vote this Vandalism, too, for the reasons that DDR gave. However, since I seem to be a personal favorite I think that makes me less objective and will withhold my vote for now.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 19:35, 6 September 2009 (BST)

I rule '''Not vandalism''', due to the fact that J3D has been warned before for shitting up admin pages, and this latest one (the lame Misconduct one about Nubis banning himself) has been shown to have [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Prohibit Sysop Misconduct Self-Punishment|some support]] in concept. Unless other sysops vote, I'm call this a tie and NV next time I come through <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 11:27 8 September 2009 (BST)</small>
:A tie? You do realise I can vote, right? (Also surely the fact that he's been warned before is a point ''against'' him?) {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 11:39, 8 September 2009 (BST)
::Well vote if you're going to then, or get off the pot :p<br />He's been warned before for shitting up admin pages, and some of those you linked to have probably already been taken into account for previous warnings <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 11:45 8 September 2009 (BST)</small>
:::Fine then - '''Vandalism'''. As for the cases, warnings don't just magically wipe the record clean and he was ruled Not Vandalism the last time a case actually about harassment (not just shitting up, sustained harassment) was made besides. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 11:48, 8 September 2009 (BST)
::::Bob show me some precedent of people voting on cases they haven't brought, if you don't i'll assume you don't have any and make more "petty cases" against you.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:44, 9 September 2009 (BST)
:::::Precedent of people voting on cases they haven't brought? Really? {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 08:02, 9 September 2009 (BST)
::::::Wow you're cool. I'll take that to mean you don't have any.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:03, 9 September 2009 (BST)
:::::::You're not making sense. Why would I need to provide precedent of people voting on cases they '''didn't''' bring? {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 08:39, 9 September 2009 (BST)
::::::::Yeah see that's why i said "wow you're cool" coz intentionally ignoring what you know someone means because theres a typo is, ya know, cool.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:33, 9 September 2009 (BST)
:::::::::Ohh, you meant cases they ''did'' bring. Why didn't you just say so? I don't even need to cite precedence for that one (even though there's plenty), you silly billy. It's stated outright in the [[UDWiki:Administration/Guidelines#When_a_User_May_be_Warned_or_Banned|guidelines]]:
{{quote|3=When a User May be Warned or Banned|2=Furthermore, system operators are specifically given the ability to '''both report and warn/ban a user.'''}}
:::::::::See? There's really no need to get all angry, ding-dong! {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 14:16, 9 September 2009 (BST)
::::::::::I'm totally ''furious''. And yeah you're wrong anyway. See i like ice cream AND pizza, but that doesn't mean i want them at the same time. You can report AND warn/ban a user, but not at the same time.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 14:57, 9 September 2009 (BST)
:::::::::::GTFO. There are multiple examples of sysops reporting and ruling on case on this page. Case closed, '''vandalism''' by majority vote <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 15:03 9 September 2009 (BST)</small>
:::::::::::Oh Jed.. you're too awesome for this wiki... {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 15:11, 9 September 2009 (BST)

I've been on this wiki for over 2 years, and outside of open and shut cases, or when the user is on a vandalism spree andneeds a ban to stop them i can't recall ever seeing a sysop ruling on a case they created. Certainly not in the instance where there is at least one op voting not vandal and one voting yes vandal. I would love to see some precedent here so that i don't have to create another misconduct case, but since you don't seem to be able to provide any bob i can only assume there is none...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 03:25, 11 September 2009 (BST)

===[[User:Nallan]]===
{{vndl|Nallan}} {{verdict|Vandalism|Warned}}

For uploading the pornographic image [[Image:2cola100.jpeg]]. As not all the sysops have actually seen it, I only expect those who did to rule accordingly. It may have already been deleted but Nallan's intentions were clear and he should be warned as such. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 15:12, 4 September 2009 (BST)
:I think it would be a better idea to upload a copy to give those sysops who haven't seen it an opportunity to make up their own minds on it, rather than having to just take it on faith. =/ We've had these "pr0n images" discussions before and most of the time they usually are judged not to be. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:17, 4 September 2009 (BST)
::Google "coke bottle inserted in girl" or "bottle-in-ass". Those should give you an idea.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 19:32, 6 September 2009 (BST)
::Fair call. Problem is I don't have it, I would assume only Nallan has a copy. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 15:49, 4 September 2009 (BST)
:::<small>discussion and where to find this image moved to talk by overzealous sysop --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:44, 5 September 2009 (BST)</small>
'''Warned''' <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 04:27 5 September 2009 (BST)</small>

===[[User:Sexylegsread]]===
{{vndl|Sexylegsread}} {{verdict|Vandalism|Warned}}

Uploading a heavily [[:Image:TALK_PAGE_RULES.jpg|racist image]] as a vehicle for the rules of posting on his talk page. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 09:47, 4 September 2009 (BST)
:and you want to make a case against Jed using Administration as a medium for continuing a personal vendetta? You've sure been on your game this week. As far as this issue goes, it is my talk page and I can have what I want there, you don't know shit about my heritage or my situation so maybe you should have considered using more passive means of finding a solution to this if it so verily offended you, rather than bringing it here to only publicize this "heavily racist" image and fuel a personal battle. I won't be replying as not much needs to be said now, my talk page, my rules, if you have a problem with the image or its conents, there are/were plenty of other ways for you to deal with it without bringing it to this public forum.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 09:53, 4 September 2009 (BST)

Now I know why he wanted that warning struck... '''Vandalism''', because of [[TOU]]'s racism clause, jed's past racism-related escalations as precedence, etc. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 13:34, 4 September 2009 (BST)
:All o you wanna bring me down. Y'all ain't stoppin me--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 15:39, 4 September 2009 (BST)
'''Warned''' and image deleted <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 04:31 5 September 2009 (BST)</small>
:You should have left that up for longer to allow at least a 3rd sysop to vote. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:35, 5 September 2009 (BST)
::Apparently making fun of your own race is racism these days. Fucking goody-goody politically over-correct society. It's more racist that they are stopping me from making fun of my own people.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 04:37, 5 September 2009 (BST)
::I am a third sysop. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 04:38, 5 September 2009 (BST)
:::Made the case -> can't rule -> totally irrelevant.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:42, 5 September 2009 (BST)
::::Sysops are allowed to rule on cases they bring numbnuts. Try again. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 04:44, 5 September 2009 (BST)
:::::Wow you really are bad with the links today bob...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:53, 5 September 2009 (BST)
::::::Yeah true, we were all australian= sysop bias!! >=[ --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 05:00, 5 September 2009 (BST)

===[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]]===
{{vndl|Cyberbob240}} {{verdict|Not vandalism|Arbies}}

[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=2_Cool%2FFan_Club&diff=1553743&oldid=1553741 editing] my groups subpage without permission --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:05, 3 September 2009 (BST)
:I am removing myself from the "fanclub" listing, on which I was placed along with a rather insulting note - all without my permission. This has been fought out before many times over on A/VB and A/A; you cannot list someone as a member of something they do not want to be a part of. I am taking this to Arbitration. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 09:06, 3 September 2009 (BST)
::well you did misspell babies as babbies on IRC so while insulting, it is the truth.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:08, 3 September 2009 (BST)
::on a serious note i understand if you don't want to be on there but you could have contacted me via my talk or arbitration rather than lauching straight at a group page, you should know better bob yet time and time again you demonstrate you don't.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:10, 3 September 2009 (BST)
:::I ''did'' ask you to remove me on IRC but you didn't respond. Also way to go with the WanYao paraphrase - really lends you an air of credibility*. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 09:15, 3 September 2009 (BST)
::::thanks.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:18, 3 September 2009 (BST)
:::::Once this case and the one on A/A have been resolved I will be bringing a case of my own against you for harassment via the long and sustained creation of numerous shitty vandal/misconduct cases against people. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 09:20, 3 September 2009 (BST)

<s>'''Not Vandalism''' - This has always been a case for [[A/A]]. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|BlueViolet}}-- 09:16, 3 September 2009 (BST)</s><small> - self-struck. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|BlueViolet}}-- 09:28, 3 September 2009 (BST)</small>
:Involved party, invalid vote and please learn to spell vandalism before you rule next time thanks.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:18, 3 September 2009 (BST)
:actually that shouldn't even be there yet.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:19, 3 September 2009 (BST)
::Because I'm not too fussed on the other sysops' rulings in this case, I'll accept that. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|BlueViolet}}-- 09:28, 3 September 2009 (BST)

Hmmm, fan club listing page that he didn't add himself to in the first place? A page that really isn't about anything in-game? And the actual name links to his user page?  This edit is '''Not Vandalism''', but this sort of issue should go to A/A to make sure there is a clear decision on whether or not people can be added to non-game related lists (and I am thinking about the Wiki Puritan list also here) that they do not want to be on.  Not to mention, people should have the right to remove themselves from "fan lists" should they no longer be a fan. If it was reversed and 2 Cool removed him there wouldn't even be a case, now would there? You can't have it both ways. 
If this was something in-game (example kills) then the page should be protected until the issue is resolved. This is purely wiki and there is no bad faith in this edit.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 13:42, 3 September 2009 (BST)
:hang on, while the rest of your post is jibba jabba, I don't get why the point "if 2 cool removed him there wouldn't even be a case" is even a valid point....why would they remove him if they put him there.......--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 14:37, 3 September 2009 (BST)
::Think he meant hypothetically if I put myself there and 2 Cool removed me, there wouldn't be a case. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|BlueViolet}}-- 14:41, 3 September 2009 (BST)
:::Don't doubt 2 Cool. I reckon you could edit that page with a blank space and be VBd--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 14:42, 3 September 2009 (BST)
::::I'm sure you'll succeed with one of your strawmen sooner or later. Better spam them all over the place to increase your chances. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 14:47, 3 September 2009 (BST)
:::::Don't think this is relevant to my post.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 14:56, 3 September 2009 (BST)
::::::Don't think your post was relevant to anything. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 15:18, 3 September 2009 (BST)
::::Speaking of which, Bob, [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACyberbob240&diff=1552653&oldid=1550778 wassuup?] I don't get you. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|BlueViolet}}-- 14:57, 3 September 2009 (BST)
:::::That was a vehicle for the edit summary which is referring to the terrible stuff-up I made in the edit summaries of the unused image deletions I'd just made ('more than a month since last "deletion" instead of "edit"'). {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 15:17, 3 September 2009 (BST)
::::::You confuse me sometimes :'( I just get so scared... --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 15:23, 3 September 2009 (BST)