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==Hahaha.==
I love all the little clauses and phrases you've thrown in there to basically automatically have Boxy convicted for (legally) editing your entry. Sorry mang but messing with A/VD is already Misconduct; you just want to "get" Boxy. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 01:19, 1 October 2009 (BST)
:What are you talking about, Cyberbob. This policy is clearly GOLD.--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 01:22, 1 October 2009 (BST)
::Forgive me, that was my ''hilarious'' friend typing some shit he thought was funny into the edit box I had opened while I was on the toilet. I completely agree with you. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 01:24, 1 October 2009 (BST)
:''This policy will be retroactively applicable.'' Yep, that sums it all up.--{{User:OrangeGaf/Sig}} 02:12, 1 October 2009 (BST)
::You missed "''No vote will be needed, just the proof (such as edit histories, contribution records etc.) being presented in a misconduct case will be sufficient to prove guilt of this offence.''" and all of the second-last paragraph. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 02:31, 1 October 2009 (BST)
::Oh, and the third dot point. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 02:43, 1 October 2009 (BST)
:::So that would mean every sysop who has touched A/VD would be demoted. Brilliant. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:35, 1 October 2009 (BST)
::::Every sysop whose touching of A/VD Iscariot disagrees with. Let's not paint him to be some kind of monster now! {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 02:43, 1 October 2009 (BST)

Oh dear. Of the three points, the bottom two are unreasonable. Sysops should have any right to rightly strike their own vandal escalations if the striking is legitimate. And for god's sake, that last point, "# alter the vandal data of a user contrary to that user's will" can imply that we can't '''''add''''' escalations under any legitimate circumstance, lest ''strike'' them, if the "victim" doesn't agree with it, and you're trying to embed that into policy? The wiki lawyers will have a fucking field day. They'd have to be one smartarse of a wikilawyer to try it, but it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Silver}}-- 05:24, 1 October 2009 (BST)
:Oh look, it's already been brought up. Don't mind me then. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Silver}}-- 05:41, 1 October 2009 (BST)
::No idea why you wasted 703 bytes on this abortion of a policy, but that's your perogative I guess. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 05:42, 1 October 2009 (BST)

I tried so hard, so hard, to find something witty to say. But honestly, this "policy" is sad. I mean SAD. I'm going to go cry and cut myself...--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 06:48, 1 October 2009 (BST)
:I also tried to think of something witty.  Alas, I will go drink instead because that is far more productive than finding good things to say about this policy. --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 07:39, 1 October 2009 (BST)

This is amazing. So I alter a vandal data entry, and get taken to vandal banning, misconduct AND the serious fraud section. Truly amazing. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 08:49, 1 October 2009 (BST)
:But wait! I can't be given a vandalism warning because that would be altering the vandal data of a user contrary to that user's will! --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:57, 1 October 2009 (BST) 
::Lol! --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Silver}}-- 10:11, 1 October 2009 (BST)

:::Here's all the necessary wit for this policy...Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck you, Izzy. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 09:44, 1 October 2009 (BST)

== A penny for my thoughts ==

This is bullshit. It's completely unreasonable and serves nobody but yourself. The only person who've we've had any major qualms about VD is you and it usually stems from your bizarre self righteous crusade for the benefit for the community. To be blunt, this place was much, much quieter without you and I'd hoped that your break would get you to calm down and actually contribute again rather than going off on one due to some perceived injustice. Please fuck off again, and leave us all in peace. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 10:55, 1 October 2009 (BST)
:Now, now, Cheese, don't you remember those two days where he was moderately less of a troll? No? Maybe it was an hour then.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 11:08, 1 October 2009 (BST)
::I thought it was closer to about 5 minutes. =p -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 11:11, 1 October 2009 (BST)

==Vandalism==
This is not a Policy its a clearly bad faith edit that probably deserves punishing as Vandalism. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 12:10, 1 October 2009 (BST)
:The sad thing is that it isn't. Iscariot actually wants this to become policy, and, although his motives are sinister, we can't discriminate against his opinion.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 12:14, 1 October 2009 (BST)
::He may well want the policy but only so he can use it to cause trouble. Look at the wording, ever single nuance is there to let him cause drama and there is no way it could be read in any way that make it seem like he has any valid points. The whole thing is 100% solid shit crafted for his own petty reasons. You say it yourself ''"his motives are sinister"'' and thats pretty much what makes this bad faith and thus almost certainly vandalism... as for not discriminating against his opinion, well we can and we do. People have been A/VB'd for a lot less in the past. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 13:05, 1 October 2009 (BST)
:::That's mens rea, but no Actus Reus. He is perfectly entitled to create a policy discussion against the will of the public, which is why there's a discussion. If we limit who can make policy discussions, we may as well just ditch the whole system.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 13:13, 1 October 2009 (BST)
:This policy is more fixable than [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Stop Making Stupid Policies|Jorm's]] one that was [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2008_05#User:Jorm|ruled not vandalism]]. Meh <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 13:27 1 October 2009 (BST)</small>
::No man could physically rule vandalism on that work of art. The one time the community truely came together ;D God bless you Wiers. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Silver}}-- 13:44, 1 October 2009 (BST)
::Not too mention that Jorms was not done in Bad Faith. Grumpy faith maybe but not actually with malice. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 18:01, 1 October 2009 (BST)

==Good one==
"''Sysops that... alter the vandal data of a user contrary to that user's will... will be guilty of Fraudulent Misconduct.''"
:That's gold! No more escalations for anyone, because I'm pretty sure that 90% of vandal escalations would be "contrary to that user's will" >:)<br />Seriously though, you don't "own" your vandal data, it is information to help sysops keep track of vandal escalations. If anyone "owns" it, it is the admin of the wiki <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:49 1 October 2009 (BST)</small>
::Here Here! Let us rule you all in peace. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Silver}}-- 13:15, 1 October 2009 (BST)

== Shhhh!!!!!!!!! ==

be quiet i have one less warning than i should--<b>[[User:Imthatguy|<span style="color:#000000">Imthatguy</span>]] is on the wiki looking at ur pagez </b> 13:50, 1 October 2009 (BST)
:Not only is that not true, but, well, that's it. It isn't true. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Silver}}-- 17:10, 1 October 2009 (BST)
:: Sure ;) --<b>[[User:Imthatguy|<span style="color:#000000">Imthatguy</span>]] is on the wiki looking at ur pagez </b> 18:17, 1 October 2009 (BST)
:::hey if you type that wink smiley a few more times people might start to get worried that you're not lying {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 18:25, 1 October 2009 (BST)
:::: Notice Cyberbob in his natural habitat, full of sarcasm preying on some helpless wikinoob --<b>[[User:Imthatguy|<span style="color:#000000">Imthatguy</span>]] is on the wiki looking at ur pagez </b> 20:31, 1 October 2009 (BST)
:::::helpless little n00b...... so precious, so delicate {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 20:38, 1 October 2009 (BST)