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===User:Necrofeelinya===
For creating [[The Israel Building (Borehamwood)|this]] page, and striking out the Israel Building to rename it the Palestine building. I reverted it. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 22:56, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:That's some serious long-term planning. He's been maintaining that page for eleven months. Plus the article shows the name changing back and forth, obviously a simple joke. This isn't vandalism. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 23:02, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:If it's his page (which it is), then obviously he can put up whatever he wants. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 23:10, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
::It's a location page. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 23:13, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:::It's humour, in the form of news for the location. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 23:17, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Uncatergorise it, and then move it to his userspace. Problem solved.--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 23:18, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
::::They crossed it out at the very top and on the mini-map too. I reverted it. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 23:19, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::Smart. Either you completely revert it, and leave a link to the revert edit, or you leave it alone. Not half like you did. The strike at the top of the mini-map goes a bit far though. The rest of strikes, is just petty humour. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 23:25, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::That's why I didn't revert those. [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=The_Israel_Building_(Borehamwood)&diff=1611795&oldid=1395542 Here it is, master.] --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 23:26, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::Thad, you arn't allowed on this page, and you're talking shit anyway <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 23:28 28 November 2009 (BST)</small>

==User:Iscariot==
Be honest with me now, Izzy. Do you just like to cause trouble or something? --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 16:22, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

In terms of setting precedent he's certainly being difficult. Image arks should most certainly be allowed, but the reasoning behind the creation of this one and the specific images included in it isn't exactly good faith. --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 21:26, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:Of course image archives will always be allowed, just not ones specifically used to misrepresent things like the unused image list during votes <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 23:35 28 November 2009 (BST)</small>

==User:A11an0n==
This guy is most certainly going against the intention of the [[A/A]] ruling, but he's not in violation of anything that I'm aware of. Really, I think boxy and Rosslessness nailed it down: he feels slighted by the system, so he is trying to change the system. He's quickly going to run out of options--since he doesn't seem to be able to just forget about the whole issue--and then he'll either drop it or start doing things that will be actual vandalism. So I say let him try, but I think the general consensus from the community thus far isn't going to give him the results he wants. --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 11:42, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

So now I see why Boxy is a 'crat. I say we let him go for it and nail him if he tries to spam bids later.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 15:50, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

==User:J3D==
So is this added to the upcoming harassment banning case or does J3D get the Iscariot 2 years of "Get out of Jail Free for being a Prick" treatment?--[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 15:11, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

==User:Cyberbob240==
{{quote|Rosslessness|'''Not Vandalism'''. As the boxman states.}}
why did you have to wait for him to rule for you to rule? Baaaaaah. Get some real sysops around here plz--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 10:46, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:Like to show me any other time I've waited for boxy to rule on this page? I must admit its strange for people to agree on UDwiki. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:19, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
::I'd like you Ross to show me a drama case where you where first to rule. No offense, but it's always Boxy, DDR, Bob or SA who make the first rulings, with you always following the majority ruling after that. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 12:02, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Like this one? [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2009_11#User:Kkkkkkkkkooo]]. I fear that by the global nature of the wiki I'll always be following others. (Looks suspiciously at the Australian sops and frequent vandals) --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 13:44, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
::::Nice try, but I said drama case, not a piss easy case like that. Also timezones, really? --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 14:09, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ah, right. Thats what I do, shun drama. Thats why I volunteered to represent you in arbitration against Iscariot. ''Avoiding'' drama. Also, Timezones? Yes. 

:::::Any of these good enough for your standards? [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2008_12#User:Jerrel_Yokotory]] or [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2009_06#User:WOOT]] or [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2009_06#User:Iscariot|My crazy standpoint here?]] --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:08, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::It's okay ross, '''I''' don't think you're a sheep.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 18:33, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Baaah. It takes this long (Medium length pause) before I can see a real one. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:39, 16 November 2009 (UTC) 
::::::::I don't know if I'm tired or stupid (probably both), but that didn't make sense to me.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 18:41, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Its a way to show that I live near real sheepses. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:47, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

And also, ''a lot'' of ops are aussies, and ''a lot'' of cases, requests, and all that shit are put forward during the aussie time zone.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 18:35, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:If you are a sop, and you are so certain that it is a VBing, and you are online (which he was), why dont you just vote Vandalism. He is a sheep. Baaaah.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 06:27, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

==User:Iscariot==
I thought the official like was that no one but kevan "ranked" higher than anybody else? Or have the ops finally dropped that blatant bullshit? {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:07, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:I always thought that a sysops can tell someone not to strike something if the sysops was in the right. But I also couldn't think of how to word what I was saying properly without bringing up a fake rank idea on hagnat's part. :/ --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 15:53, 15 November 2009 (UTC)'''ADDENFUCKINGDuM''' Also, what he said v
:abloobloobloobloboblbobobolblvbsbgflbglbooblboblbonowyou'rejustmakingdramaup {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 15:59, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
::good editing thar. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:20, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

==User:Winman1==

I don't quite remember what we do when we find multi-account abusers, but Check User confirms [[User:Shut up noob|Shut up noob]] as an alt, and he's using it to vote on his own things along with his main. So, I have to leave, I need groceries, but here you guys go.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 18:25, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:We ban the alt, Shut up noob in this case, and warn the main. All multi-votes are then struck. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::Does it matter if that's useful? It seems like something that should be on the talk page since, no matter how interesting is, it's not from a Sysop or an involved user.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 20:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Contributive posts are not removed from cases as they add directly. Chatter and thread drift is removed. This is not one of these. As an uninvolved party in the Winman case Thad is in breach of his arbitration ruling. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:36, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::'right then. But sorry, I haven't breached my arb ruling, since I didn't actually posted a thing, unless your seriously counting the direction towards the talk page.--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 20:47, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::"MisterGame is not to contribute to admin pages that don't ask for community input unless he is an involved party (the talk pages are still open to comment though). Admin pages such as A/D ask for community input (votes), while A/VB is discussed by sysops and involved parties only (reporting an A/VB case counts as being involved)." It could be seen as you being contributive (And also antagonistic by removing a genuinely helpful comment when a ''sysop'' asked for direction) by removing posts.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 21:15, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::You should really look up the words "contributing" and "removing", I can assure you that you'll find that they don't much in common.--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 21:20, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::You should not be a dick when I'm simply trying to tell you that some people could see it as that. And also, the words really depend on context. You can be ''contributing'' to hostilities by ''removing'' posts, after all.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 21:24, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Removing would be implying he was simply getting rid of the comment. He actually moved it to talk, he was attempting to cause drama under the pretext of ''contributing'' towards the maintenance of the page. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:26, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well I seriously thank you for that SA, it's just that I respectfully disagree. Contributing to hostilities is of completely different meaning. The question here is: By removing Iscariot's comment, what do I contribute? 
::::::::Anyway, we still need to settle our wedding SA. I think Boxy is a great choice for making it official, having him lead the ceremony, just like our Arb Case. I was thinking about asking Cyberbob to be my best man. You can take DDR's as yours. J3D can be the Maid of Honor, with Nick and Read as bridesmaids. Iscariot and Yonnua can be flower boys. Sounds good hun? --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 21:43, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::I was on your side right up until that spammish comment at the end, Thad.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 22:27, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Oh wait, no I wasn't. My mistake.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 22:28, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::lol {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 00:09, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

== User:Dawgjz ==
'''Vandalism''' because he should be doing it properly, not just randomly wiping shit. And I really doubt that some eployer is going to care that a guy plays games on a computer ''in his spare time''.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 11:01, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
:I think you might be wrong there. These days, employers do actually check allot of possible aspirants through all means, including Google. The words "urban dead" might be enough to imply terrorist activity for some 50 year old desk worker, you don't know that. I do agree it's pretty stupid to use your full name so loosely on the interwebs. But I'm sure he has learned his lesson, and it's not that his name has such a big historical impact on this wiki. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 12:04, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, I think that the word "cheater" may be of more interest than urban or dead... But perhaps the name itself could be blanked out, if it's ruled to be revealing "personal information". But definitely not taking out whole sentences to change the meaning of discussions <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:20 3 November 2009 (BST)</small>
:::Wow.  Vandalism or not ''you guys are fucked up''!  And by "you guys" I am referring to SA and Iscariot.  Understand, I have never once, in my time on this wiki, resorted to slinging vulgarities at another user.  Sure, I've had disagreements, but I do actually believe in and try to practice [[civility]].  Normally.  And so I have never resorted to base, personal attacks.  Not once.  Until now.  

:::And I doubt either of you will give a damn what someone else thinks about you since you've both proven yourselves to be so utterly fucking devoid of class and human sympathy.  But I'm going to say it anyway, because you ought to hear it, and I want you to understand that I am not just flaming you but that I am actually very upset and disgusted by your behavior.  Now then -

:::You two plotting, heartless, maniacal, smarmy little nigglers are a disgrace to anonymous internet dickheads around the world.  I fucking pray neither of you shit monkeys ever end up in a position of any real authority or have the outcome of another human being's life placed in your sweaty little hands because you fuckers don't deserve an ounce trust.  Not one ounce.

:::[[User:Dawgjz|This poor dude]] is trying to get his name off a stupid zombie wiki for a game he stopped playing 2 years ago because it is interfering with his ability to make a living in the real world.  He lied about why he was removing his name (probably because he didn't want to draw more attention to it) and he broke wiki policy with his edits.  Granted.  But then he clearly explained his reasoning on his talk page and asked for a little understanding and a little help.  

:::Now at that point, any reasonable person, anyone with a modicum of respect for themselves and for others would understand and say, "Oh ok, let's get your name off the wiki and get you on with your life."  Not these [[User:Iscariot|two]] [[User:Suicidalangel|fuckers]].  Instead of helping, Iscariot goes out of his way to be a complete fucking douche.  When Iscariot is normally being a pain in the neck, he at least does so under some poorly argued false pretense.  But now the pretenses are gone, and his true colors have shone.

:::He tried to permaban Dawgjz so he'd have no chance to come back on here and remove his name from the wiki.  Then he [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2009_11&diff=1592239&oldid=1592237 snidely mentions] making a user group with the guy's name on it so it will be permanently linked to the wiki.  How smug.  How fucking smug.  And why would he go through such measures? utilizing backdoor bullshit and loopholes and bureaucracy?  Basically, just to be an asshole.  Because he can fuck over another human being from behind the veil of his computer screen and revel in the knowledge that he ruined someone else's day.  ''How fucked - up - are - you?''

:::And then SA chimes in on the talk page, full of mockery and spite, which would be one thing.  But then he goes the extra mile and [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Dawgjz&diff=1592190&oldid=1592184 shakes Dawgjz down for cash!]  WTF?  The fact that SA is a 'sop here, voted to restrict Dawgjz editing privilege, and then took his money to make the problem go away is paramount to fucking extortion.

:::Go ahead and defend yourself.  Tell me why I'm wrong and you were really just trying to help.  Bitch about my wall of text.  Iscariot, get to work on a bulleted list of arguments.  SA tell me why I don't know shit about the wiki and call me something really nasty.  Go ahead.  But you both crossed a line and you should be ashamed of yourselves.  And that stands.

:::Seriously people.  This had nothing to do with the wiki or some zombie game.  It had nothing to do with following the rules or any other BS excuse you're likely to come up with.  The truth is, you both saw a gleaming to opportunity fuck somebody over ''and you '''delighted''' in it''.  What does that make you?

:::Sickening.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 14:17, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
::::And the most brilliant part of all, is because Google can take up to 5 months to re-cache websites, the information coming up on Google isn't likely to change the results for his name at all. So this whole argument, at leased in the foreseeable future, is absolutely futile. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|red|black}}-- 14:27, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::Giles, Giles, Giles. The man brought it upon himself. He cheated. His employers deserve to know he cheated. If they decide that it doesn't matter that it was just a computer game then there's no harm done, if they think it is important then we've helped a company remove an undesirable candidate for employment. After all if he can cheat at something for fun, then perhaps he might go cheat for fun and profit at work. I wonder if he's a banker? This whole argument is moot really, given a Texas burger site shows up on page one of google, you can imagine what a quick google bomb will do if there's a nice off-wiki page to link to that contains a history of what happened. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:23, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::Because somebody is a zerg at UD, he doesn't deserve a job? His employers deserve to know? Why don't you do us all a favor and fuck off. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 18:35, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::It proves he cheats. If his potential employers decide that it's important and that ''they'' don't want someone who cheats working for them, then it's relevant. You're just unhappy because you're just as much of a cheat as he was. See, the Zerg Liste. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:40, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Like I care about that? Or you thought my name really was Thadeous Oakley? Like I said before this isn't about dawgjz, this is about you abusing someone else reality problems for you own wiki drama. Oh well, this over since Boxy is blanking his name anyway.--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 20:34, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
::::I agree that it is all pretty sad, though I doubt anyone (or SA) was serious with the whole money extortion thing. And I also doubt Iscaridiot cares much about Dawgjz himself, he is just misusing another person's problems for his own little wiki crusade. Only shows Izzy puts others real-life problems below his virtual troll needs. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 15:10, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::An incompetent arbitrator, who like the person in question cheats at a browser game, has no business passing judgement on players that don't cheat. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:23, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::Good thing then that I don't need your permission to judge you. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 18:35, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::Sorry Iscariot but you don't get to "prove" anything. It is not your place to try and keep this guy's personal information public just because you feel he "deserves" it. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 21:43, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism - I'm sorry, but you can't just wipe your history from this site because you were silly enough to use your real name for a character here. However, if Iscariot (or anyone, really) creates a page to further sully the name through their own actions, then yeah, that would be vandalism on their part as well -- boxy talk • teh rulz 08:37 3 November 2009 (BST) "''
:This perhaps needs to be looked at. You realise you've given me a character that can now get away with anything? DHPD can't issue warrants, the DA can't put me on their blacklist, so as they don't offer public evidence (they use the wiki) the RG will consider every kill of this character a PK? That's before all those little groups start trying to put this character on their enemy list.

:Also, where are we drawing the line between personal information and publicly available information. There's a least one member of this wiki that has a page at a often used entertainment site and has linked career details on public forums, repeating public information cannot be considered against this policy, any more than saying that DDR is an Aussie could be. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:23, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Is cari a sysop? If he is, then why the fuck does he still have privelages? If he isn't then why has he posted on the front page of A/VB for the past two cases with no reprocussions or removal?{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 20:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
:<nowiki>*In before Iscariot's needless insults*</nowiki> Because he brought the case up, he reported him. Reporters are counted as involved, involved users (as well as sysops, he isn't one BTW) are allowed to post on the main page.--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 20:24, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
::Because CB is the one who goes nuts over that shit. :D --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 21:05, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Also, as someone who took care of hiring people at my old job, I would never use being connected with a game, or the texas burger up his ass comment as a reason to not hire him.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 21:36, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
:Doesn't matter. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 21:43, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
::Only because I've disagreed with you.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 21:46, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
:::If by "disagreed" you mean "say anything other than 'it doesn't matter what we think; we don't have the right to make that kind of judgement'" then yes. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 21:52, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

''Edit conflicted twice grr.''
This case troubles me. Someone who played a few years ago has come back and asked for his name to be removed from the <s>zerger</s> cheaters list. After this statement, Iscariot posted a comment by someone of the same name as the user from a different website, and he (Dawgjz) removed the name from that comment. That's the vandalism being discussed. Granted, the comment itself was unneeded, though it could easily have been found anyway.

To me, this proposed vandalism came about because of what Iscariot said in reply to Dawjgz's comment. The only thing I really don't understand is why, instead of just saying that it couldn't be done, the user in question was met with sardonic replies and unneeded comments, namely the rather vulgar message under his name on texasburgerking.com, or something similar. Also why do his future employers ''deserve'' to know that he cheated at a game?{{User:Rorybob/Sig/1|21:48, 3 November 2009 (UTC)}}
:"Combined with repeated edits to a group page he is not a member of, request perma" it wasn't just the impersonation edit, but those too. Read my reply on Giles page please for an explanation as to why I was being a dick.

:Also, an employer deserves to know about a persons past if they go to hire them. Like I said though, anybody that would hold a game connection, like UD, against you probably isn't worth working for.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 21:53, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
::No, sorry, you still don't get to make that kind of call. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 21:57, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
::Not to drag that scary big world in again, but in the current economical situation I don't think many people consider being too "good" for their employers. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 22:01, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Right bob. We'll just follow your OH SO AWESOME AND COMPLETELY DEVOID OF PAST FUCK UPS way of doing things and your OH SO UNBIASED opinions.
:::Bob, if if I want to tell this guy's potential employer that the guy he's considering on hiring is actually kind of a dick to people or something, I have ''every'' liberty to do it. There is nothing stopping me from doing, no laws, nothing.
:::And Thad, I actually know what you're talking about. Since I sold my share of the tech store and quit, I've been playing the job field, temping and shit. What I'm saying is that if an employer turns you down because of it, the guy would have been a shitty boss anyway.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 22:07, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
::::So sorry, but if that involves disseminating his personal information on the internet against his will then no - you don't. As far as your really rather inept attempt to insult... lol. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 22:09, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::Pleez to be quoting UK law rather than your own moral opinion plzkthxbai. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:12, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::I'm not trying to quote law. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 22:15, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::So then why are you trying to force us to follow your opinion? And saying it all in a rather factual manner?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 22:31, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Because. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 22:33, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Right then.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 22:35, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::While I can't "force" you to do anything, that doesn't mean I won't bring you here or email Kevan (which I have already done with Iscariot). {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 22:37, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::And you completely have that right to, I'd never deny that. What I'm talking about right now is how you've been pushing your opinion as factual information up until a bit ago, not your right to take us here.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 22:49, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::my price for stopping is 40 dollars {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 23:10, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::How about instead, you give me ten and I'll blindly follow your decisions for a month?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 23:12, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::Now see, the problem is you keep saying ''we'' can't do this, ''I'' can't do this. The thing is, I ''wasn't'' trying to keep his personal info on the wiki. ''I'' was having a problem with the way he was trying to remove it. Admit it, the only reason why you care in the first place is because Iscariot made the case. ;) --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 22:13, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::whydontyougofuckyourselfyousmarmyfuckingcunt. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 22:15, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::nou--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 22:21, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Just give him a soft warning. He did it in a completely stupid way, and he shouldn't have done it that way at all. Hence, it's vandalism. As shown by his comment on A/PT, he wasn't aware. So, give him a soft warning. If he wants his real life name removed from a wiki, he can feel free. He just shouldn't have left it disjointed and screwed up, impersonation, etc. Boxy's fixed that, the only real issue now is if him removing the names was vandalism, which, let's face it, it was. But, he didn't know, and apologised afterwards. Soft warning, and enough with the personal attacks at each other. :D --{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 22:47, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
:I've had a chance to calm down after my last edit.  When I wrote that I was extremely upset, but that's no excuse.  I believe strongly in treating others with respect, especially in anonymous situations where there is no consequence for being a bastard.  And so, in resorting to vulgarities and personal attacks, I've violated my own principles and I'm embarrassed to read my own words.  Iscariot, SA, I went after you both in a very personal way, and I'm sorry.
:Please understand that I meant every word, but I shouldn't have said it in that way.  I do think you both treated that guy very poorly and got caught up in the freedom and anonymity of the internet, but then I did the same thing to you.  There is a big difference when it comes to screwing with someone's ability to make a living, but still.  In the future, I hope you'll both think twice about the way you deal with other people online, and I promise I won't be such a dickhead when I get angry.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 12:42, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Iscariot, it's not your place to be judege, jury and executioner of this man's employment chances -- over an allegation of zerging. You take delight in having a man's ability to support his family ruined because he was an alleged zerger 2 years ago? You take UD way too fucking seriously, you asshole. 

On the other hand... It's not the wiki's responsibility to clean up every stupid thing every user and player may have typed. The wiki is not responsible for this person's stupid choices at another point in his life. This person ''chose'' to post his real name to several public forums -- not just the UD wiki... Is he contacting the [http://www.texasburgerguy.com/2005/05/luther-burger-and-hamdog-pictures.html this texas hamburger blog] to ask his name be removed because he freely and with full cognizance wrote "I'd stick that ham-Dog up my rectum! :)"? Is he asking to be removed from [http://deadmonkeycomics.com/blog/2005/01/the-zombie-novel/ this site] where he's kind of a rude, trollish jerk? But if you think removing this gentleman's freely shared and posted information is the right call, then be prepared to honour every similar request in the future, warranted or otherwise. Your janitorial job just got a lot busier.......  --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 08:42, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
:Personal information has always been removable on sight anyway, hence why Personal Information is a scheduled deletion. Our janitor job has always had to encompass this. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|red|black}}-- 11:21, 5 November 2009 (UTC)