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== The WWSIS Perspective ==

[[Image:CornhPK1.JPG|thumb|right|Killing Red Raider]]
[[Image:CornhoolioPK2.png|thumb|right|Killing Zyckde]]
[[Image:CornhPK3.JPG|thumb|right|Killing Zyckde, again]]
[[Image:CorhPK4.png|thumb|right| Killing 'Burning the Fire']]
Since the "battle" description given on the article page is highly subjective, the [[WWSIS]] would like to present their view on the matter.<br />
Since the 5th of February 2010 the NSU claim that the safety of [[Krinks Power Station]] and [[Tolman Power Station]] is their work. After a horrendous attack by MOB in [[Krinks_Power_Station/Archive|December 2009]] the Krinks was totally ruined. The WWSIS has rebuilt the station and the [[LURCS|radio network]] in the surrounding area together with local groups and feral survivors. <br />
The NSU was requested [[Talk:National_Socialist_Union|(see their group discussion)]] to remove the piece in their group page that says the safety of Krinks is their work. The WWSIS asked for this because it was a blatant lie and because the WWSIS does not want to give neonazi's a chance to pose as respectable. The WWSIS also warned that the NSU (because they are neonazi's) have no place in the Krinks Power Station, or any of the other Power Stations. The NSU were warned that they would be violently removed. Survivors in and around the plant were warned not to fall for the blatant lies and racism of the NSU.<br />
The NSU took this as an excuse to start PKing those in Krinks. As can be seen in the screenshots they shouted anti-semitic slogans while doing that. Instead of aiding the survivor cause they showed their true face by killing the same people who are at the core of keeping the power station safe. <br /> 
In response to the attrocities various survivors, both individuals and groups, have rallied behind a call to put an end to fascism. The initiatives around this are encouraging, and show that the WWSIS's view of a pluralistic, multi-ethnic society are alive despite the horrors of the zombie apocalypse. <br />
Unlike the sinister goals of the NSU, we have clear and obtainable goals: to keep the Krinks Power Station free of zombies and neonazi's, and to establish it as a beacon of hope for a brighter tomorrow. <br />
We see it as a victory that since the 5th of February we have kept the nazi's and zombies out of Krinks Power Station. All those tho want to support this can voice their support on this page. <br />
In Solidarity
--[[User:Zyckde|zyckde]] 18:58, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

:[[Battle of Krinks]] is a page in the main namespace. As such anyone can edit it however they wish, as long as no vandalism is committed. Indeed if you wanted to create an alternative version of events you could. To retain ownership of the page may I suggest you name it GROUPSNAME/Battle Of Krinks --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:24, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

::To be honest, I believe that both sides should be able to have their point of view/ side of the story on this Battle of the Krinks. I think it would be better as nueyrals would now be able to make a decision on who right instead of one biased side.--[[User:Burning The Fire|Burning The Fire]] 18:49, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
::: That sounds like a good idea. Maybe ownership of the page should be transferred to some arbiter. --[[User:Zyckde|zyckde]] 19:00, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
::::Both perspectives at once would be the best solution. The simplest way to do this would be to have a large header for each perspective, and treat anything within that header as being 'owned' by the side offering their perspective within it. A neutral party might be able to provide an NPOV stance to accompany these, too. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 19:02, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
::::: I don't think that is smart in this case. You can see what the effect of this is in the [[Krinks Power Station]] page. Sides are using the logg to make insinuations, i'd rather have someone neutral giving the whole story an overhaul. (including the Krinks Power Station page) --[[User:Zyckde|zyckde]] 19:08, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::[[Invasion of gibsonton|This is an example fo something similar]]. I'm assuming that a style like that would be preferred. I'd also recommend that both sides attend [[A/A| Arbitration]], both to sort out personal issues, and to help resolve the page conflicts.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 19:39, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

1. We have not claimed the safety in Krinks is our work. 2. If you say you will kill us, then it is our right to defend ourselves, that's not PKing. 3. The goals of the NSU have been to keep the power stations safe from zombies, PKs, and GKs. 4. the WWSIS has said they would kill NSU personell that entered Krinks on the 26th of February 2010. 5. The NSU has only reproduced facts in this article, as well as in other articles. You are allowed to edit it. 6. A discussion with you, in my opinion, is a discussion with Judas. You keep repeating arguments I've already reacted on, and then I have to react on them again. The Jew keeps saying the same stuff all the time. When the Aryan gets tired of it the Jew cries his question is not answered. A dirty Tactic of Judas. -- [[User:Cornholioo|Cornholioo]] 13:14, 16 March 2010 (UTC).
:::: 1. You write on your group page that the situation of Krinks was an "Achievement", in other words, your work. 2. You do not defend. You seek conflict. You moved into our territory after we made clear you were unwanted. Not the other way around. Look on the site on [[PK]]ing:  "In the UD context, where both humans  and zombies are controlled by players, a PKer is a human character who kills other human characters (the zombie equivalent is ZKer)." 3. Your real goal, hidden behind your lies is to spread anti-Semite hatred. 4. We will kill members of the NSU if they threaten Krinks. 5. Your wording is biased. I do not wish to enter an editing war, i rather have a neutral arbiter. 6. I hope this answer is more clear for you. --[[User:Zyckde|zyckde]] 13:26, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
::::: 1. You have said this before + I have reacted on this before. That is a typicall tactic of Judas. You keep repeating the same argument untill I get tired of it. At the point I don't react anymore I have lost the debating. So I will explain you (read carefully:) '''one''' last time: This is an achievement of ours, because it is our goal to keep Krinks free from zombies, PKs and GKs. We have not said it's entirely us that are responsible for this. If you want I can even add to our page that other survivor groups and/or ferals help us with this. 2. I didn't seek conflict, you did. If you wouldn't have send that radio broadcast we wouldn't have opened fire on you. This is the direct cause of war. We can't move into Krinks and do our work if you want to shoot us when we enter. Besides that, if you killed me, would you also broadcast something like: 'Zyckde is a PK, kill him on sight'? No. Anyway, the cause of war is unimportant; us being at war means we '''kill''' eachothers, not PK eachothers. You admitted you don't have any further rules besides the game rules you have to keep yourself to. By saying this you, simply said, mean: 'I can do whatever we like'. Fine then, keep calling us PKs, but the NSU will think you have no honor. We still respect our enemies. You don't. 3. You don't know anything about our 'hidden goals', as you call them; thus you can't reproduce facts. All you can do is make speculations. 4. I ment that you said this on 26 February, not 5 February. 5. As I said: you can edit it if you want. If you don't want to, then don't whine.
:::::: 1. How can it be an achievement if you did not do anything? 2. We marked off our territory, and made clear you were not welcome. You chose to openly provoke us by PKing someone inside. I do not respect you, I despise you too much to try and argue something about honor here. Don't pretend to respect me, since i am an Arab Jew Communist etc. 3. You state on your group page you have the nazi ideology. Seems conclusive evidence to me. 4. I don't know what dates have to do whit any thing. I looked at your group page, and the claim of the achievement was made on the 5th of February. 5. As i said, I'd like a neutral voice to write the page. --[[User:Zyckde|zyckde]] 23:04, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::: 1. Once again: it's once of our goals to keep the Krinks free of any zombie, PK and GK. The status of the goal is our achievement. This doesn't say anything about what we've done ourselves. We can work our asses off, but still find the Krinks overrun by zombies; we can also do nothing while the Krinks is clear. For the status of our goal, our effords do not matter. All that counts are is actual status of the goal (is Krinks free from zombies, PKs and GKs, or is it not?). We did not mean to say the WWSIS or other groups/ferals are not working in the Krinks. I've told you before: if you want I can even add to our page other groups/survivors help us with this. 2. Your way of debating looks like the one of a jew, indeed. Still, no matter how bad I hate your group, I won't lose my honor. I still won't call you a PK for killing me in a war. Furthermore, you saying that we are not welcome on certain terrain (our goal is to defend), is a declaration of war. Our marking of certain goals, is not a declaration of war. This makes you the agressor. Just admit that I'm right, you declared war and the only reason you called me a PK is to win sympathy, just like all your other broadcasts and speeches. I understand you are trying to win sympathy to defeat your enemies, but calling them PK in a war (you declared yourself) is not the right way to do that. And now don't come with 'I've only called you a PK because according to the wiki definitions you are one'; you don't call yourself one either. All youre trying to do is win sympathy and you know I'm right. I guess you appologize for what you have done... 3. You still don't know anything about our hidden goals, so you can only make speculations. 4. I was just correcting you. You said you had been keeping nazi's out of Krinks since 5 february 2010. I corrected you. I didn't mean anything else with that. 5. Ok then. White regards, --[[User:Cornholioo|Cornholioo]] 17:25, 18 March 2010 (UTC).
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== The fight ==
I think you gave a accurate description of the conflict.  
Here is your "heroic" action as a screen shot, again affirming that anti-semitism in the form of hitler adoration is at the core of your world view. This indeed means we will make sure the Krinks Power Station stays up and running, and without any sustained nazi presence. --[[User:Zyckde|zyckde]] 12:03, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:CornhoolioPK2.png|thumb|Cornhoolio shouting nazi slogans and killing in Krinks]]

If you didn't declare war on us, this wouldn't have happened. ;) Free, social and national --[[User:Cornholioo|Cornholioo]] 12:15, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
: This war does mean we will suffer many more casualties than your side. However, we don't really mind. It is clear that you lack the allies to muster any real support, so you have to resort to petty guerrilla actions. I hope you are spending your nights in empty unlit ruins in the middle of an urban wasteland, only held company by zombies and feral PKers. That's how we like our nazi's, hiding in the sewers like rats. That they come out to bite us every once in a while, alas, that's life. --[[User:Zyckde|zyckde]] 12:34, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:: Guerrilla actions have been used a lot in the past by commies. Why do you hate them so bad? Only because they are now used against you? :) Btw, are you revivified already? ^^ --[[User:Cornholioo|Cornholioo]] 13:04, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:: Oh, and stay out of Krinks in the future, or I will kill you again. You are going to lose this battle, and you know it. Every time we will break into the plant, shoot you all, and withdraw again. You can't do anything to stop us. And why do we do this? Because of a war you declared yourself! Eventually you will have to give up your indoctrinal radio station because you need the AP to defend yourself against the zombies and the constant attacks of National Socialists. Then you will be driven off the Krinks. Even if you manage to kill one of us, we will still come back and keep attacking you. You stand no chance, and you know it.
:: Remember the holy 14 words: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children." - David Lane. --[[User:Cornholioo|Cornholioo]] 20:14, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:::David Lane should '''really''' be focussing on the education of white children. His spelling is terrible. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:02, 12 March 2010 (UTC) 
:::: Great argument kid. Besides that, I am not English, I'm Dutch. You shouldn't correct my English in the first place when you're not able to speak Dutch yourself. --[[User:Cornholioo|Cornholioo]] 16:49, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
::::: I'm pretty sure I was correcting David Lane. But fair enough, who am I to comment on correct English, being English and all. If you like I could type in Dutch? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:18, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::: So, if you're a Dutch nazi, why are you playing a game in English. Or has your superior race not been able to write one? 
::::::: Yes, I am a Dutch national socialist, and I think this is not the place to argue about my ideals. If you want to so bad, leave your E-Mail behind, I'll be happy to debate with you there. --[[User:Cornholioo|Cornholioo]] 20:09, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::: Shame on you. How do you can support Hitler after what he has done to the Netherlands? So much for "dutch nationalism". And nationalism itself sucks (I have direct portuguese, dutch and german roots, btw) --[[User:Martino|Martino]] 01:05, 15 March 2010 (UTC) 
::::::::: Have you got trouble reading? "I think this is not the place to argue about my ideals. If you want to so bad, leave your E-Mail behind, I'll be happy to debate with you there." Shame on you. --[[User:Cornholioo|Cornholioo]] 15:54, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::It is not the place? Why not? Who said so? We are a little censorship fan, aren't we, nazi? --[[User:Martino|Martino]] 16:27, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::: oooh, someone learned the "you can't read" argument, cute. We understand you don't want to discuss you hysterical views about organizing genocide and breaking the remnants of working class rights. Are you still running? I'd like to offer peace... oh, no, just kidding. XD  --[[User:Zyckde|zyckde]] 16:39, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I said so. I'm the one here debating to you, and I dont wish to debate about my ideals because this is a wiki about Urban Dead. It is not against the rules to do (I guess), but I will not do it here. I would in E-Mail, though. --[[User:Cornholioo|Cornholioo]] 19:00, 17 March 2010.
::::::::::::: Honestly, my spam box is already full, I don't really need any genocidal racist bullshit in it too. --[[User:Martino|Martino]] 00:28, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::: Do you realize how stupid it was what you just said? You try to start a debate here, and then it's 'bullshit that doesn't belong in your spam box'. I'm done. You're probably 14. --[[User:Cornholioo|Cornholioo]] 09:45, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::::: The reason anti-fascists want to debate in public is because we are not interested in the personal exchange of ideas with nazis. We want to show to the world whose ideas make more sense. Because yours don't we have something to gain by democracy and transparency. You hide your views, because they can not stand the test of critique. They will wither away when exposed to the light of solidarity, humanity and reason. --[[User:Zyckde|zyckde]] 09:52, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::: I need to say no more. --[[User:Martino|Martino]] 12:58, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::: Then excuse me, I'd love to debate with you, but not here. The reason I'm not doing it here I've given already. It doesn't belong here in my eyes. Oh, and you don't have to convince people that 'nazi's are bad' with a public discussion right here. They already get that indoctrinated every day, in media, school, internet, etc. ;) --[[User:Cornholioo|Cornholioo]] 13:24, 18 March 2010 (UTC).
I see in the battle page that he was wounded again by someone, anyone know who did that? I have heard of Anton finding him, CS claimed to have hit 'm twice. If someone hears who it was, please let me know. tnx. --[[User:Zyckde|zyckde]] 16:39, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
::1st was Anton. Very short after I was hit for the 2nd time, but I counted that as one wounded, because it was very fast after and I didn't got healed or anything in the meantime. 3rd was some black flag guy, I don't remember who. So I counted it as two wounded. Hope I've been clear. --[[User:Cornholioo|Cornholioo]] 19:00, 17 March 2010.
::: No, Anton never hit you. Yet. --[[User:Martino|Martino]] 00:25, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
:::: Sorry, you're right. Martino was first, very short after was Burning the Fire. Third was some black flag guy but I don't remember who. --[[User:Cornholioo|Cornholioo]] 8:44, 18 March 2010.
::::: Wth? Anton is my character. And btw, now I've hit you. He's in [[the Nevill Building]], [[Kinch Heights]]. --[[User:Martino|Martino]] 12:59, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::: That put a smile on my face, Mr. I'm-not-on-the-run-I'm-practicing-guerrilla-tactics lololol --[[User:Zyckde|zyckde]] 13:14, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::: Ok, excuse me, then I don't know who was the first one. Anton did hit me now. For 16 points of damage. I'm not impressed guys. If you want some inspiration, go check Krinks, one dead and one wounded there. The dead one is a black flagger and the wounded is WWSIS. I, being on the run, still cause you guys a lot of damage, so it seems. :) --[[User:Cornholioo|Cornholioo]] 13:24, 18 March 2010 (UTC).

Enjoy :) --[[User:Cornholioo|Cornholioo]] 15:57, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
: Thank you, and yet another argument that is adding more and more people to the ranks of your opponents. I do not have time to make the list now, but i will provide you with one over the weekend. --[[User:Zyckde|zyckde]] 16:07, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
:: Please do, we will be happy to kill you all. We are just defending ourselves. You are the one that declared war. You asked for this yourself. And now you're crying that you are being killed by the Long Germanic Arm of National Socialists. --[[User:Cornholioo|Cornholioo]] 16:49, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
::: ok, add the Urban Guerilla's to that, i got word from the leader of Mossad, and members of ENVY have come to the area to help out as well. Apparently also this person on the thread below. You know I will be revived before you have loaded ammunition and AP to strike again. Both zombie and survivor groups are disgusted by your anti-semitism, racism and hitler fetish. Goodbye. --[[User:Zyckde|zyckde]] 17:18, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
:::: I'm not alone. ;) --[[User:Cornholioo|Cornholioo]] 18:19, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Has the ENVY actually been at the battle side? I have never seen them. And the UG I've seen only one member of. --[[User:Cornholioo|Cornholioo]] 13:31, 18 March 2010 (UTC).

Next time vandalism is made on the article page, it will be reported. --[[User:Cornholioo|Cornholioo]] 13:51, 18 March 2010 (UTC).
:: And... reported.  --[[User:Cornholioo|Cornholioo]] 16:46, 18 March 2010 (UTC).

== Anton Martinovich is going to war ==

[[User:Martino/Anton_Martinovich|Anton Martinovich]] is my nazi-hunter character and he will be heading now to [[Williamsville]] to fight this fascist dickheads. Boot the nazis in the face! --[[User:Martino|Martino]] 14:07, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
: Also you are more than welcome. --[[User:Cornholioo|Cornholioo]] 15:58, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
:: Thank you anton! Please invite anyone you know to help out and keep our city clean. --[[User:Zyckde|zyckde]] 17:20, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
:::{{Nazihunter}}--[[User:Martino|Martino]] 22:11, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
::::Oh, so you know, I have no idea who that Ernie guy is. He's not a member of the NSU, at least not a legimate one. So this doesn't count as a kill in this battle. White regards, --[[User:Cornholioo|Cornholioo]]
:::::He was a nazi, wearing SS uniform. Good enough for me, I don't really care if you count him as a casualty or not. --[[User:Martino|Martino]] 20:40, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

== Working Men Of All Suburbs Unite ==

I, Burning the Fire, will join the fight to crush fascist scum. If you need healed please call, Comrades.--[[User:Burning The Fire|Burning The Fire]] 17:50, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

I have set up a group for anyone not attached to a group that wants to help fight the for the cause - [[Suburban Brigades]]--[[User:Burning The Fire|Burning The Fire]] 00:15, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== Template ==

Hey guys, I came up with this template:
{{Krinks}}
--[[User:Martino|Martino]] 03:13, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Nice one :-) --[[User:Zyckde|zyckde]] 07:22, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

I made one for ppl who want to show their active support/ue of the Amateur Radio system around Krinks:
{{LURCSLicense|User=This person}}

== Combattants  ==

You are missing some groups still, Black Flag/Revolutionary Radio has sent someone to represent them, same goes for those squatters.
:: Solved. --[[User:Cornholioo|Cornholioo]] 17:27, 18 March 2010 (UTC).

== Philosophe Knights ==

We would like to ask Cornholioo to stop editing our declaration of war. It should be preserved for historical reference, and it is fact. We do however agree that the Main page is not the place for the Krinks Alliance to give as information as to to NSU's location. That kind of information, if given at all, should be on this talk page. We would also like to apologize for what will be a horrific disparity in kill rates, there are an awful lot more members of the Krinks alliance than their are of the NSU, just remember we have equal disdain for you all. -[[User:Devorac|Devorac]] 15:03, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

We repeat, do not modify our post. Continued actions will result in a vandalism case. -[[User:Devorac|Devorac]] 17:33, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Cornholioo has already filed a complaint about you for vandalism. I am unsure if you know of this. --[[User:Burning The Fire|Burning The Fire]] 17:36, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

:I'm going to say this again, here. Edit conflicts shouldn't result in vandalism cases. The aggreived parties should go to [[A/A|Arbitration]], and deal with it there.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 17:39, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

:That nazi likes to edit and censor others' work a lot, I see. Who the hell does he think he is? I know nazis aren't really fond of freedom of speech, but this is starting to be really annoying. --[[User:Martino|Martino]] 17:41, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
::lol? I do support freedom of speech. And now stop trying to debate my ideals here. As I told you before: if you want to, leave your E-Mail behind, I'm not doing it here. I'd love to on E-Mail, however. But as I said: on the mainpage there should only be posted facts, not swearing. --[[User:Cornholioo|Cornholioo]] 18:50, 18 March 2010 (UTC).
:: Apologies Yonnua, I will.  Burning, no I didn't realize that I had a vandalism complaint against me, thanks for the heads up. -[[User:Devorac|Devorac]] 18:07, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

== The Army Control Corps ==

I'm posting here also to clarify that the ACC was never involved in this conflict.

To quote two posts from NSU's talk page:
[Q]
True I was working together with ACC, and I'm still doing, so what? And you guys were the ones that declared war, not us. Don't start crying when we defend ourselves then. This is our tactic, enjoy it. --Cornholioo 16:01, 8 March 2010 (GTM+1)

At no point has the ACC declared its association with your operation. Today was the first time we have recieved a plea for help. 
I had offered to settle this issue by the means of a non violent mediation provided by the ACC between all the groups involved. Seeing this comment has changed my mind, and the ACC will NOT be entering the situation. --Alcatraz311T|ACC|A45 20:25, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
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--<span style="border: 3px black">[[User:Alcatraz311|<span style= "color: white; background-color: #527508">'''Alcatraz'''</span>]][[User:Alcatraz311|<span style="color: white; background-color: black">'''311''']]</span></span><sup>[[User_talk:Alcatraz311|<span style="color: black">'''T'''</span>]]|[[Army Control Corps|<span style="color: black">'''ACC'''</span>]]|[[Alliance 45|<span style="color: black">'''A45'''</span>]]</sup> 20:43, 18 March 2010 (UTC)