View source for Talk:Escape (event)

==Notes==
image to use:

[[Image:EscapeReconstruction.gif]]

-- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 07:14, 9 September 2010 (BST)


It's probably worth noting that many No Escape members went on to join [[BB3]], and some of the former survivors of Escape went on to join the [[Red Death]] zombie group. Also, congrats to Red Brinded Cat for doing such a kick ass job leading us. ^_^ --[[User:Shatari|Shatari]] 17:03, 9 September 2010 (BST)
:Ya. I thought Escape also joined BB3. Either way, all are welcome to fix the finer details once we're done. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 17:31, 9 September 2010 (BST)

== Quotes to use ==

*[[Talk:No_Escape#Great_Quotes]]
*[http://barhah.com/viewtopic.php?f=105&t=16076&sid=0c2fba3ab571ef622a675d3732bf0b43 "No Escape.... From teh lulz" on Barhah.com]
*[[Escape/Radio|Captain Video's radio adresses]]
Mind if I start to liberally spread them across the page? --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 11:32, 26 September 2010 (BST)
:S'up to you, tbh I've never been a fan of bogging up event articles with quotes, specially since most of them tend to not actually be funny, but that's just IMO. We need as many bold hands on this article, between IRL, my wiki work and my re-NPOVing of the [[Bashing Back: The Battle of Pitneybank|Battle of Pitneybank]], if I'm the only one that's going to contribute to the bulk of the article, it probably won't be done by Christmas. Just do what you think is good man. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 12:39, 26 September 2010 (BST)

== Additional Data ==

At one point, I started a write-up of this event that can be found [[User:A.schwan/sandbox/escape|here]]. I am about to relegate it to my unfinished projects stack and forget about it. It contains some explanation and experiential data (some POV some not) and a transcript of the final battle pieced together from several sources. As this event page now exists, is there any of my information that people would like to see added to it?

--{{User:A.schwan/sig}} 02:03, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
:Try to keep in NPOV, try to wikify it, but otherwise add all you want. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 02:08, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
::A question then. I will incorporate what parts of it I can but I have would comment first on the introduction as it currently reads. Escape was a survivor movement but the intro seems to me have a Zombie-centric tone. Lines like “The group of hopeful escapees gathered in Ellicott Place Railway Station at the border of Owsleybank to perform a ritualistic calling out to Kevan, in hope they could be lifted from Malton and be taken someplace else.” seem designed to make the movement look naïve. This dominant ideology is augmented by the quotes and the image. While the “truth” behind the event is subjective, the event had historical precedent worked into its rationale. A sentence after the one above, the description leans towards what the zombies did about it with the words “and before long ferals and groups.” The timeline slants in this direction as well after the 24th where the subject of each entry becomes “the zombies”, “ferals”, or “the ruining” of a building. While these are valid points, the way that they are formatted make them read more like a timeline of No Escape than a timeline of Escape making it the zombies who resist the survivors rather than the survivors who fail to overcome the zombies. The timeline alternates for the most part so the crux of my objection concerns the intro. I can attempt to rectify this by incorporating what is strictly factual in my write-up with what is strictly factual in the current version. This will require me to remove portions of text, which I am loath to do without the permission of the author. I could edit this article to be a representation of a survivor movement with a sub-section dealing with No Escape as a reaction/response to it. This sub-section could then link to a No Escape article if such exists. Alternately, since this page is an event page, it could be structured to be about the battle with a subsection on the Escape movement that gives a fair representation of the survivor angle and a subsection of the No Escape movement that contains much of the information provided here. These two sections would work together to provide context to the battle that could be presented in transcript.In the latter case, the zombie-centric tone would need to made more zombie-centric as it will be used to explain the actions of only the zombies. Thoughts?
::--{{User:A.schwan/sig}} 03:18, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
:::I don't think it's "pro-zombie" to call Escape naive. I think it's just critical of it, not necessarily sided with any in-game faction. As for the timeline referring to the aggressors rather than the Escapees - I hate to point it out but that's in large part down to a general lack of activity from the Escapees more than any real bias. It's hard to report on nothing happening after all. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 03:25, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
::::I concede the point on the timeline but pro-zombie or not, to be critical of the ideology of the movement rather to present it is at least unnecessarily POV is it not? Hence out of place on a historical event page unless framed as a presentation itself of the ideology that lead to No Escape. 
::::--{{User:A.schwan/sig}} 04:46, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::I guess it depends. I do think it's naive to think that a game with a very lax development schedule and a staff of almost-one, will bend to a novelty movement like Escape. I don't think that's detracting from their aim, but simply presenting them with a realistic view. I never thought they would achieve anything, but I did bring my namesake to the party (and didn't kill anyone!), as well as helping with one of the wiki templates for it. I thought it was unique, and interesting, but also knew that to believe it would work was deluded. I don't really feel that's a biased opinion on the affair. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 23:12, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::The transcript looks unsightly. I recommend an approach like the one used [[The Wake/Log|here]], possibly given its own subpage. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 02:32, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

== Alterations made ==

Thank you for the edits TripleU; that cleared up my objection and made it much easier to work with. I have added what relevant details I could, including a transcript of the final battle. My only questions remain whether or not the transcript is too lengthy and whether or not people will object the fact that I mentioned that one of mine provided it? I may be being paranoid about this last detail but I am used to dealing with the Feral Undead and they have a tendency to take any of my edits as some kind of personal offense. At any rate, feel free to contact me should people wish me to modify anything.
--{{User:A.schwan/sig}} 02:35, 20 December 2010 (UTC)