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===User:Red Hawk One===
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Looks like he won't make it in time to put himself up, so lest his A/RE comes up too late, I'm doing it. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 20:18, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
*'''Vouch''' - RHO may not be the most active sysop we have but I see the buttons as essential to this dragon's breath attack. {{User:Vapor/sig}} <sub>20:29, 26 March 2011</sub>
*'''Questions''' - Do you still want to be a sysop and will you be around? -[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 20:30, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
*: BOO! I feel like I should explain jyself. I'm in my senior year of high school right now, I've been under a bit of stress since mid-November with college admissions and all that jazz. I'm competing for top of my class, and I applied to a few colleges that are a bit beyond my means, so I've had to deal with keeping up performance and virtually whoring myself out to scholarships to make ends meet.
*:That said, the final admissions decisions come out on the first, and its finally starting to look like my is returning to normal. I'd really like to get back into here, and finish up a few projects I've been meaning to deal with, and handle some of those nice little janitorial tasks that always seemed to get put off in the past. I wouldn't exactly say this is like MacArthur making his triumphant return to the Philippines or anything, but I'd like to stick around and, Lord knows, it seems like half the stuff I was doing before my hiatus needed the buttons.
*:As for A/VB and A/m, I thought it was pretty well established that I never really have, and probably seldom will even be around those pages. So I'm basically one the janitors and, really, is there any point in getting rid of a willing (if aloof) body in that department? {{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 08:09, 28 March 2011 (BST)
*::Awesome. '''Vouch''' -[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 16:32, 28 March 2011 (BST)
*<s>'''Abstain''' - RHO has done good work for this wiki, but spurs of inactivity bring to question if there is still interest in being a sysop for this community--{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 20:43, 26 March 2011 (UTC)</s>
*: '''Vouch''' - back in action is good--{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 17:24, 28 March 2011 (BST)
*'''Against''' - No contribs for a month.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 21:23, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
*'''Vouch''' - Let me try to stop this silly tirade of "but he's not active enough!" No one has yet to actually give a good reason why less activity is bad. I don't see how it has anything to do necessarily with him not wanting or not caring or not taking things seriously enough or whatever else. Perhaps he simply is busy with real life? This is should take precedent over the wiki. So, what's the big deal? Explain please.  --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:29, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
*:One more thing, if you're complaining that he isn't active enough as a sysop, how is removing him from being a sysop going to make him a more active sysop? Again, I'm sure he's just busy with real life, and that his activity has little to do with the wiki. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:31, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
*::RE isn't about determining "guilt" or somesuch. It is about checking if someone is fulfilling his obligations or not, without regards for the reasons. If someone lacks the time to take care of the wiki due to RL issues, they IMHO should just step down regardless of the reasons, just as someone coaching a junior soccer team or serving a similar honorary office. You might have a sick aunt and a dachshund with cancer, but if that means that you can only show up to one of your youth team's games per month, you plainly aren't viable as a soccer coach anymore. RHO can always follow the Cheese road, increase activity as a regular user and then re-apply. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 21:42, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
*::RE:I agree with this up to a point. If this were simply a question about move/protects/deletes, yeah, there isn't too much harm in keeping someone who knows what they are doing but is a little inactive around as a sysop. Not around? No big deal. Those buttons will still be there when they come back and they can sysop-gnome to their hearts content. But that's not the problem AHLG. The problem is that if he is not around, well, some of the other sysop jobs -- A/VB, A/M -- jobs that require some form of sysop consensus or vote -- become more problematic now. Good luck reaching some form of majority or consensus on those matters if we are going to keep people around who now become more or less "dead" votes. Keeping inactive sysops around is basically saying you are keeping them for maintenance duties and you are punting on the duties that require understanding the current community in some fashion or A/VB, A/M where only the sysops have a real say and the total number of "live" votes begins to matter. The community should at least ask the active/inactive question.-[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 21:47, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
*:::You assume that this wiki is all important and vital. It's not. It's a hobby. Sometimes hobbies are shelved because other things are of issue. There is no obligation. There is no job. There is no duty. This is just fun, it is something to do. RHO has no all important destiny to do anything, the extra tasks he has are simply there because of an inherent problem of giving the ability to block/delete/murder/etc to everyone. It would make certain areas of the wiki difficult for maintaining an information source and a community. I would have it that everyone would be a sysop from the get-go, though like I mentioned, there is an inherent problem that some annoying person would delete the main page and block random joes. There is absolutely nothing special what-so-ever of being a sysop. Nothing, natta, zip. It's just a technical issue. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 22:01, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
*::::One other little thing to add, I do see where you are coming from, and I would of course like to see more of RHO if only because I can see another familiar "face." It's just unfortunate that he isn't here more, like most any other user. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 22:03, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
*::::I totally get where you are coming from dude. I really do. There was a reason I went with "As AHLG" on Cheese's A/RE when this issue came up. But there are unfortunately some downsides to being inactive that can impact the position. It is potentially a problem. -[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 22:12, 26 March 2011 (UTC) 
*:::::Yeah, to a point. But why could he not simply abstain if, in the unlikely event that he comes to an A/VB or Misconduct case, can't understand (despite the entirety of wiki events being recorded), should he simply abstain? If instead he were removed, he wouldn't be adding anything anyway. Furthermore, not many cases really require much attention or discussion, and those that do mostly have to do with people have spats at eachother or overblowing things (meaning doing what this wiki so loves to do). It seems more likely that this potential for problem is in a simply enlarged state from a pinpoint issue that is probably no issue at all. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 22:33, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
*'''Against''' - Inactive for a month, not even reacting to boxy's reminder about his own A/RE on his talk page. And that is before I've started to ''really'' look into his contribs, which have similar gaps left, right and center. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 21:42, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
* '''Vouch'''- i am ok with him keeping his sysop powers --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User_talk:Hagnat|[talk]]] [[wcdz|[wcdz]]]</sup> 22:06, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
*'''vouch'''as hagz. hopefully he will be more active--<small><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 22:10 26 March 2011 (UTC)</small>
*'''Against''' - <s>Inactive.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>23:07 26 March 2011(UTC)</tt></s> 
*:Too active.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>11:19 29 March 2011(UTC)</tt>
*'''Abstain''' - This shall turn into a vouch if Red manages to get a least 3 or so contribs in within the time of his Re-evaluation.  If not, I shall be looking the other way with an against. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 23:27, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
*'''Vouch''' - It's rare enough to get one from me but two in two days? The reasons are simple '''1)''' the argument the inactivity group is putting out there sucks, he doesn't even edit A/VB or A/M to rule on cases and being a little busy for a month isn't a big deal, we've all done it his just happens to have been a bad month. '''2)''' He does everything else that a sysop would ever need powers for and all the while avoiding A/VB and A/M, this is a good thing and if more sysops had the common sense to do so when they were promoted solely for the purpose of moving shit and meeting requests the whole team wouldn't be viewed as representative of the few that are too stupid to figure out they weren't promoted to ban actual contributors(Protip: No one ''ever'' is.) --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:38, 27 March 2011 (BST)
*:Indeed. His inactivity issue should be dealt on A/DM, not A/RE :P --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User_talk:Hagnat|[talk]]] [[wcdz|[wcdz]]]</sup> 21:05, 27 March 2011 (BST)
*::Absolutely, that's the whole reason we made that page. Reviews are about guaging community trust in the sysop regularly and hopefully the 'crats will keep that in mind --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:41, 28 March 2011 (BST)
*'''Vouch''' - As Gnome and Karek. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 16:07, 27 March 2011 (BST)
*'''Abstain''' - As Axe Hack. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 17:50, 27 March 2011 (BST)
*'''Strong Vouch''' - Aside from inactivity, he has nothing else going against him, and inactivity ONLY matters when it might impact a sysop's performance, which is not the case here. Specifically, if a sysop is inactive, they don't have a basis for understanding the context of drama as it comes up, which impairs their judgment as a result. In the case of RHO though, he sticks to gnome duties and avoids the drama parts, so it's an entirely moot point. Inactivity in no way impacts his judgment or ability to perform his duties, since moving, protecting, and deleting pages are tasks that require no context. Having him around only has upsides, whereas having an inactive sysop around who is involved in drama sections is a recipe for potential problems. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 19:23, 27 March 2011 (BST)
*:'''ding ding ding!''' thad? --<small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 12:03 31 March 2011 (UTC)</small>
*'''Against''' - inactive. --{{User:Armpit_Odor/dnsig}} 20:46, 27 March 2011 (BST)
*'''Strong Vouch''' - Red is an incredibly good sysop, and since he only ever votes on VB or Misconduct for tie breaks, his inactivity isn't a big problem. So long as he stays active enough to meet the guidelines, he's an effective Rooster or Swiers. Keep him on.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 21:54, 27 March 2011 (BST)
*'''vouch''' - RH1 is a king --{{User:Lady Clitoria/Sig}} 08:38, 28 March 2011 (BST)
* As kark and nome.--[[User:SA|If my name was MisterGame AKA Thadeous Oakley, I would be a massive flaming faggot. >:|]] 23:26, 28 March 2011 (BST)
*'''Vouch''' - As Aichon. RHO seems to like doing menial work, so let him continue with it. --[[User:Mark Ryerson|Mark Ryerson]] 05:02, 31 March 2011 (BST)
*'''Vouch''' - Despite some inactivity, I trust him enough with the buttons especially considering he mostly uses them for janitorial tasks. Good guy. As Aichon and Karek too. --[[Image:Cat Pic.png|14px]] [[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''Thadeous Oakley''']]</span> [[User_Talk:MisterGame|<span style= "color: black; background-color: white">'''''Talk''''']]</span> 07:01, 2 April 2011 (BST)
*'''Vouch''' - [[User:G F J|G F J]] 16:27, 2 April 2011 (BST)

Ross and I have discussed RHO, and decided to cycle his RE as '''successful'''. Keep up your good work Rooster, we hope to see you around more for the next 8 months, for sure. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 02:25, 3 April 2011 (BST)