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'''Suggestion type'''<br />
Balancing <br />


'''Suggestion scope'''<br />
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'''Suggestion description'''<br />

The huge margin between zombies and survivors in the past month has revealed the extent to which search rates are manipulated based on the S:Z ratio. We have had ridiculous claims of extremely high syringe rates in ruined NT buildings, etc. This has caused a fair bit of discussion in the UDWiki community at least, many groups in the game wish to see it gone so that more of a challenge is offered to survivors and so zombies are a bit more rewarded for their successes.

Basically, I'm proposing that the dynamic search rates be altered so they are much less extreme. I think the extent to which the search rates are altered by the ratio should be a fraction of the strength they are now, possibly abolished altogether. I think Kevan should decide that based on the feedback given in this vote.



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'''Keep Votes'''
#Author vote. I want a bit more of a challenge tbh -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 12:05, 28 May 2011 (BST)
#Support/Keep. Say this passes are you just going to show the results to Kevan? {{User:Mazu/sig}}  13:49, 28 May 2011 (BST)
#:Yes, if the support is strong enough for a change I'll definitely be posting this to Kevan as a mixture of both a suggestion and a makeshift petition. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 14:12, 28 May 2011 (BST)
#Keep them static. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 14:11, 28 May 2011 (BST)
#Survivors need tough love. --[[User:Rosslessness|Rosslessness]] 15:51, 28 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - Static.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>16:52 28 May 2011(UTC)</tt>
#'''Keep'''- More killing is good. --[[User:Akbar|Akbar]] 04:41, 29 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' Good Static Good Hagnat Good Zombie Good [http://wiki.urbandead.com/images/d/df/RYMZ9.gif Lord!] --{{User:Gardenator/sig}} 18:19, 29 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - The search rates hitting 1 needle/AP (IN RUINS? I DIDN'T KNOW PEOPLE COULD SEARCH RUINS UNTIL EVERYONE WAS DEAD JESUS HOW CAN YOU SEARCH A RUIN?) was completely ridiculous. Zambah apocalypse becomes a pipe dream :( --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 20:05, 31 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep'''  The ridiculous find rates when the survivor ratio gets too low is stupid.  Get rid of "coddle the survivor" and maybe make the game the zombie apocalypse it should be.  This won't ever actually happen of course, but it's nice to dream. --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Laughing Man]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:SA|<span style="color:#0018ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> [[Image:Crywig.gif]] 21:25, 1 June 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' My own investigations into the matter have shown me that it truly is insane how much these search rates are altered. Additionally, whoever suggested that "making it easy for survivors to find stuff" is a victory condition for zombies needs to critically re-evaluate their thought processes. {{Unsigned|Mordred}}
#:Really, when it takes major game changes such as this to keep the survivor ratio over 25%, it IS a victory for the zombies. --[[User:Fjorn|Fjorn]] 04:23, 4 June 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' As above. --[[User:Fjorn|Fjorn]] 04:23, 4 June 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' I see the "kill/spam pro-zombie suggestions" crowd is out in full force. Can't let those zombies have fun in this game no sir! *sips beer, cocks shotgun, finds 40 syringes in a ruined building* --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Sykic]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:SA|<span style="color:#0018ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 14:09, 4 June 2011 (BST)
'''Kill Votes'''
#The suggestion is rather vague but so is the game mechanic. Anyways, the dynamic search rates is an attempt to "normalize" the population, so one side does not get wiped by the other. When survivors have the upper hand, their search rates suffer, when the zombies have the upper hand, survivor search rates are better (as far as I understand). So now in Urban Dead's present state the search rates are much higher for survivors (especially at 15% survivors) to compensate the unnatural influx of zombies (the Dead are not always here in such numbers). What about when the Dead are not around (which is most of the time)? Survivors will not have their search rates reduced, thus giving them more of an advantage, and thus creating more extremes in the ratio. This probably gets boring for the winning sides, zombies shamble streets and can't find as much against survivors sitting in safehouses doing nothing. The ratio at around 50:50 gives something to do for both sides, one side not having the upper hand on the other. And I feel like if the game was constantly skewed to one side (which it is sometimes often for the survivors) it makes it less fun for people in general. UD's PvP, if it's not challenging for one side, it's boring, too much, people may leave. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:33, 28 May 2011 (BST)
#:tl;dr it's to balance the ratio near the middle, (probably) to keep the general populace happy --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:33, 28 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Kill''' I'm fine with the current system to be honest. Like I mentioned at the talk page, I think these are necessary to ensure some balance in the population ratio. Maybe the system needs some tweaking but that seems to beyond the scope of this suggestion. -- [[Image:Cat Pic.png|14px]] [[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''Thadeous Oakley''']]</span> [[User_Talk:MisterGame|<span style= "color: black; background-color: white">'''''Talk''''']]</span>  21:34, 29 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Kill:''' No.[[User:Treviabot92|Treviabot92]] 21:18, 1 June 2011 (BST)
#'''Kill''' Personally, I'd like to more about how this works before even thinking about changing it. --{{User:Armpit_Odor/dnsig}} 21:39, 2 June 2011 (BST)
#'''Kill:''' I have enough bad luck finding what I need with present "high" search rates. Dynamic search rates, as I understand, were put in to keep the game balanced. If anything they need to be raised.--{{User:Moodie/sig}} 23:31, 2 June 2011 (BST)
#'''Kill:''' The search rate adjustment is put there for a reason: balance. How can survivors recover megahorde otherwise? Creating new scientist alts? That won't even work when all NTs are ruined. -- [[User:Kittithaj|Kittithaj]] 00:51, 3 June 2011 (BST)
#'''Kill:''' The survivor population is already low enough even with the higher search rate. The adjustment is there to ensure the survivors aren't wiped out. What are the zombies going to fight against when the survivors are gone? Themselves? Look at how quiet the other two permadeath cities are now after being overrun by zombies. Besides, higher search rate means nothing when syringes are so AP intensive to use in the first place.  -- [[User:Crystalroselle|Crystal Roselle]] 6:15, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
#'''Kill:''' Balance is a good thing.  As it is one of my characters (played survivor only) has been waiting for a revive for well over a week.  If I were a new player or not that dedicated, I'd just leave the game for a while.  The last thing this game needs is fewer players, imo.  --[[User:Zarneverfike|Zarneverfike]] 08:48, 4 June 2011 (BST)
'''Spam/Dupe Votes'''
#'''Spam''' - There's not even really a suggestion here. Not to mention that static search rates are a bad idea, there's a localized population adjustment too iirc. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 19:04, 28 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Spam''' Kill this... with fire!! And i play zmobie before anyone accuses anyone of sumthing --<small>[[User:Hagnat|hagnat]]</small> 19:44, 28 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Spam''' What you are actually suggesting is removing established victory conditions from the game, hence my spam vote.  When the search rates bang up like they did, its an indication that zombies reached their "victory condition", and the game is being "reset".  Gracious winners would be happy with that.  And when the rates drop back down (at 25% / 30% survivor), the game gets more challenging (in a normal sense) again.  {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 20:07, 28 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Spam''' While I agree that zeds need to be improved a bit overall, this suggestion wouldn't do that. It would just reward those who play zeds out of spite. --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 22:43, 28 May 2011 (BST)
#'''meh''' as above--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>01:06, 29 May 2011 (bst)</small>
#'''Spam''' - Will hurt zombies in the long run, since the usual state of the stats page is a survivor majority. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 16:44, 29 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Spam''' - Uhhh... ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>14:36, 30 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
#'''Spam''' - --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:SA]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:SA|<span style="color:#0018ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 21:20, 1 June 2011 (BST)
#'''Spam''' - Seems to be a silly idea, doesn't it?--[[User:Trendiggity|Trendiggity]] 01:27, 2 June 2011 (BST)
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