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==Huh...==
Before kick off, we've already have two targets.  That's interesting... --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 03:11, 4 August 2011 (BST)
:We should add a provision that requires info on their last known location. Malton is a big place :P{{User:Mazu/sig}}  14:06, 4 August 2011 (BST)
::It would be impossible to provide the location if you don't know where that person is when you're adding a name.  Which is why [[Desu Nōto/Location|this page]] might be used for reporting last known sightings of targets.  Just need to decide how we're gonna set the page up. ;) --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 14:51, 4 August 2011 (BST)
:::We should also create an UDWidget list to color the Death Note targets. If anyone gives me a wish for a color, I will whip something up. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 09:12, 13 August 2011 (BST)
::::I use UDTool myself. But your welcome to do so. something that would be unused would be best. hot pink? :P {{User:Mazu/sig}}  14:28, 13 August 2011 (BST)
::::Any color is absolutely fine with me. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 15:35, 13 August 2011 (BST)
:::::[[Desu Nōto/Death Note/UDW|As I already use hot pink for another list, I went with white.]] --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 22:13, 13 August 2011 (BST)
::::::That works. Besides anyone who use's UDTool or Widget probably already knows how to change the color.{{User:Mazu/sig}}  04:16, 14 August 2011 (BST)

== penguinpyro spam ==

Any ideas on that? For now, I have left it out of the UDW list (where peng is already covered anyway) --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 17:30, 15 August 2011 (BST)
:''7. When the [[UDID]] is written more than once, the one which was first filled in will take effect.''
:Sounds like multiple entries are allowed but all will be removed once one is fulfilled. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>17:42, 15 August 2011 (UTC)</sub>
::Every other entry will not be counted if the first entry has not yet been carried out.  Only the first entry will be counted if there are multiple entries of the same person. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 20:23, 15 August 2011 (BST)
:::So do the other entries get unstruck when the first death is dealt? Otherwise, just say "multiple entries aren't allowed" because it's confusing otherwise. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>20:40, 15 August 2011 (UTC)</sub>
::::I was thinking no, but I'll leave that up for discussion.  As for the wording of the rules...Um...I claim the fact that I just rewrote most of the rules (with some minor changes) from the Death Note Manga/Anime.  If you wish to reword or add something to it to make it sound a bit less confusing, go right ahead.  Just no changing the meaning of the rule or adding a new rule, 'kay? --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 20:45, 15 August 2011 (BST)
:::::We should delete or archive resolved/duplicate entries. Simply striking them just clogs up the list. Speaking of which, it would be more accessible if it was alphabetical. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 21:43, 15 August 2011 (BST)
::::::We'll hit the archiving if the list does indeed get too long.  Alphabetizing the list is a good idea, although I doubt many non-members adding to the list will know about the list being kept in alphabetical order.  But again, feel free to do so. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 21:57, 15 August 2011 (BST)
:::::::Yeah especially considering [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Desu_N%C5%8Dto%2FMembers&action=historysubmit&diff=1928981&oldid=1928980 I didn't even know the members list was supposed to be alphabetical]. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>21:59, 15 August 2011 (UTC)</sub>

== First kill! (and tiny.cc) ==

I was the first to achieve an official kill :D I have also created the tinyurl '''<nowiki>http://tiny.cc/desu_noto</nowiki>''' for in-game comm. Axe, any good place to place it prominently? --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 18:41, 16 August 2011 (BST)
:Maybe somewhere on the main page, I guess?  It's good advertisement in-game, I won't lie about that. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 21:12, 16 August 2011 (BST)

==Heh==
Adding names on this list may turn into a full-blown war soon.  Perhaps we should invest in how often one can add names to the list per week? --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 22:23, 16 August 2011 (BST)
:Leave it, for now at least. We get plenty of fodder to ensure plenty of kills at kick-off, so getting that thing stuffed is good. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 22:32, 16 August 2011 (BST)

==Oh shit...==
I made a serious miscalculation when I added my Mudkip to the kill list.  I just glanced at my Mudkip's profile and realized my Mudkip is only Lv9, and rule 5 of the Death Note states, "The Death Note will not affect those under level 10."  So...How do you people want to judge this?  Leave it as it is because the character's owner wrote the entry, or strike it out as per rule 5? --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 05:39, 17 August 2011 (BST)
:Its not that hard to gain one level. Go axe some xombz or bash barricades for a day and you got it.  ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>05:56, 17 August 2011 (UTC)</sub>
::I could technically level up now, but I was kinda hoping to save the 160-something EXP it has currently for something useful for the Manhunts.  I was gonna buy those skills in a set too. >_< --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 06:17, 17 August 2011 (BST)
:::Well then rule of thumb, don't break any rules you wouldn't want someone else to break. If you're fine with making an exception for someone else if it comes up then go for it. I'd say you're technically lvl10 though your just are being an anal about purchasing skills. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>06:26, 17 August 2011 (UTC)</sub>
::::Well, I was kinda hoping to purchase both Hand-To-Hand and Axe Proficiency at the same time...It seem kinda pointless to have one but not the other in my opinion...So I guess we'll leave it then since I was technically the one who added it. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 06:37, 17 August 2011 (BST)
::::On second thought, I reviewed all my characters, so I struck the Mudkip as an invalid entry and added another one of my characters who is a valid entry.  So I guess that resolves itself. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 06:43, 17 August 2011 (BST)

== A failed claim ==

I would like to complain to your customer service department. While [http://iamscott.net/1314562230948.html the words were spoken and the flare was fired] there was no sign of Yakety Sax being played in the background even though the power was on and could have facilitated a boombox. Worse though was that technically it was a death by flare rather than by fire. The fuel can was used but no fuel coated me. If one is not on fire, it hardly makes sense for Yakety Sax to be playing as there is no frantic running around. Worst is that despite all of this, since there was no fire, I still do not have my charred and blackened lab coat. I protest! If this is the sort of cut rate service you provide in the name of the death gods, I would not expect to be in business long. --{{User:A.schwan/sig}} <sub>21:19, Sunday 28 August 2011</sub>
:Um...Complaints department, complaints department... *redirects Al to the Complaints Department of Macy's* But all silliness aside, I agree with you, Al.  Spidey didn't pull off the kill properly (Even though the DN I envisioned when I was planning this didn't include carrying out the kill taunts.  Basically if there's a kill taunt requested, I'll just leave that up to the DN Holder to decide whether or not they want to carry it out, but by the looks of it, we're carrying them out anyways.).  For the record, let it be shown the Spidey's claim was not a valid claim as it wasn't a death by fire. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 21:36, 28 August 2011 (BST)
::So is Albert still a target, then? ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>22:58, 28 August 2011 (UTC)</sub>
:::Yes, he is.  Although I'll still state my position that saying a requested killing taunt is up to the DN Holder.  It really doesn't matter to me, really.  It's all up to you. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 23:14, 28 August 2011 (BST)
::::Albert is used to being a target. I have gotten rather good at it. Just don't let Herr Doktor forget the charred lab coat or you sir shall feel the sting of my pen! And as for you Macy's... *lays into the Macy's customer service agent for something about selling kitchen glassware that did not stand up to rigorous scientific use*--{{User:A.schwan/sig}} <sub>02:10, Monday 29 August 2011</sub>
:::::Well you can do me a solid and don't change your pants the next time I soak them in petro. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>02:40, 29 August 2011 (UTC)</sub>
::::::Where is the fun in making it easy for you? It should be enough that I am very easy to find.--{{User:A.schwan/sig}} <sub>03:57, Monday 29 August 2011</sub>
:::::::The doktor is not so skilled with modern weaponry so not as easy as one may think. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>06:14, 29 August 2011 (UTC)</sub>
::::::::I see that, he also seems to suffer from [http://iamscott.net/1314645443309.html premature flare]. But thank you for the lab coat none the less.--{{User:A.schwan/sig}} <sub>21:06, Monday 29 August 2011</sub>
:::::::::Are you saying we failed twice?  Maybe it's my turn to give it a shot.  Guess I gotta stock up for the future. xP --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 21:25, 29 August 2011 (BST)
::::::::::[http://iamscott.net/1314736151772.html Does] [http://iamscott.net/1314736116909.html this] [http://iamscott.net/1314736105331.html one] [http://iamscott.net/1314736100308.html count]? --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 21:30, 30 August 2011 (BST)
:::::::::::Wait...Wasn't this suppose to be death by fire? >_> --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 22:10, 30 August 2011 (BST)
::::::::::::Yes it was. This is what a third fail now? Once more and I fear I may have to take my business elsewhere as per your new rule.--{{User:A.schwan/sig}} <sub>22:41, Tuesday 30 August 2011</sub>
:::::::::::::As I understood it, it was death ''while on fire''. There is no frantic running around when the only fire only starts when you are already dead. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 22:57, 30 August 2011 (BST)
::::::::::::::True in a manner of speaking but being gunned down while on fire is death by gun while on fire rather than death by fire. Method of death is the method of the killing blow. Besides which, once the fire has exacted its toll, it is safe to say that it has been extinguished meaning that it was technically death by gun after having been on fire. Dropping 24HP by fire, one could assume would take some time giving one ample oportunity to run around.--{{User:A.schwan/sig}} <sub>23:21, Tuesday 30 August 2011</sub>
:::::::::[http://iamscott.net/1315353455751.html Fouth time] was apparently the charm.--{{User:A.schwan/sig}} <sub>00:59, Wednesday 7 September 2011</sub>

==We May Need to Clarify...==
...A few things.  The first has been laid out in the thread above this.  I have stated my stand on requested kill taunts as being completely optional to pull off.  Of course, I'll leave that to the DN Holders to decide.  Anyways, going through the recent revision history of the Death Note, there are quite a few other things we may need to clarify.  The first is Colette's [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Desu_N%C5%8Dto%2FDeath_Note&action=historysubmit&diff=1932588&oldid=1932544 addition], followed by the [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Desu_N%C5%8Dto/Death_Note&diff=next&oldid=1932588 task from her a few minutes later].  Now one look at this and it may bring up quite a bit of suspicion.  I have asked Colette about this and she says she found Heather completely by luck.  I have no reason not to trust her words, but I have no reason to believe her neither.  To keep suspicious instances like this down to a minimum, I move that we instate a rule that a target on the Death Note cannot be claimed unless they have been up there for, oh I don't know, say, 12 hours?  The next issue I'd like to bring up is [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Desu_N%C5%8Dto/Death_Note&diff=next&oldid=1932591 Carrie's removal of her own entry].  Now I'm all for removing your own entries you've added in.  I'm absolutely fine with that.  There's absolutely no rules stating they can't remove their own entries.  I move to to add a rule clarifying this minor matter.  The third thing I would like to bring up is penguin's [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Desu_N%C5%8Dto/Death_Note&diff=next&oldid=1932614 addition of a location in the death request].  I move that we disregard locations for one specific reason.  If the target doesn't stay inside that location because they know they're on the Death Note, it becomes virtually impossible to perform the request.  The last thing I'd like to bring up is the target's idleness.  There are quite a few targets that have gone idled and crossed out on the Contacts List.  I move we hold these entries for at least a month.  If those characters do not come out of idleness, then we'll cross them off the Death Note.  Now, since I like to take things with a democratic approach, I say we vote on these.  In the respective sub-sections below, please vote either '''Yes''' or '''No'''.  I'll leave this voting open until Sunday, September 4th 2011, 00:00:00 wiki time. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 20:24, 29 August 2011 (BST)
===Kill Taunts are Optional===
#'''Yes'''. There is no need to be an uncivil idiot when killing someone else, even if the person who wrote it is an idiot. --[[User:Colette Hart|Colette Hart]] 21:45, 29 August 2011 (BST)
#'''No'''. Ryuk would not stand for this. The power of the death note is an impassable force, and the mere suggestion that what is written in the death note could in any way be changed is absolutely unacceptable. The very point of the death note is that the death occurs, as written in the note, and exactly as written in the note. If I write in the note that Bobby pegleg will be killed after hearing the words "I can't let you do that star fox", then it will be an inevitable fact that he shall hear the words "I can't let you do that star fox", exactly like that. It doesn't matter who says them, it could be him, it could be the killer, it could be a random bystander. But it is an undeniable force of motion that he will be killed after hearing those words. Anything else about his death may still be up to question, but that fact is undeniable. And if this group is even a vague representation of a true death note, then that needs to hold true. It needs to be that the person does hear those words before they die. Obviously there should be an exception for text rape, because that shit's repugnant, but anything short of that should be carried out in as strict a manner as possible. Think about the ramifications if one of Light's killings hadn't gone off exactly as he wrote it in the death note. he could easily have been caught, captured or killed by one of his pursuers. And for the sake of upholding the ideals that you set out when you created this group, you really need to stick to your guns and stick to the fundamentals of what is death note. The kill should take place exactly as written in the death note, in case there are extremely aggravating circumstances. That means the words as well.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 22:40, 29 August 2011 (BST)
#:This coming from someone who said on my talk page and DN's talk page that they'll stop at nothing to destroy everyone in this group. xD --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 22:45, 29 August 2011 (BST)
#'''Yes''' There should be no compulsion to act out tasteless taunts, nor should they make someone invulnerable. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 23:04, 29 August 2011 (BST)
#'''Yes''' Though I will like carry out all but the most rediculous.~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>03:13, 30 August 2011 (UTC)</sub>

'''Passed''' --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 08:55, 4 September 2011 (BST)
===Entries May Not Be Carried Out Unless They Have Been on the Death Note for 12 Hours===
#'''Yes'''. Although I was the one who started this stuff (and I insist, it was a serendipitous encounter), I admit that it can be subject to abuse. --[[User:Colette Hart|Colette Hart]] 21:45, 29 August 2011 (BST)
#'''Yes''' --{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 22:40, 29 August 2011 (BST)
#'''Yes''' --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 23:04, 29 August 2011 (BST)
#'''Yes''' ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>03:13, 30 August 2011 (UTC)</sub>

'''Passed''' --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 08:55, 4 September 2011 (BST)
===Allow Removal of Own Entries===
#'''Yes'''. In case I regret about writing a name, I'd like to have the option of undoing it. --[[User:Colette Hart|Colette Hart]] 21:45, 29 August 2011 (BST)
#'''No''' - So is it written, so ''must'' it be done.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 22:40, 29 August 2011 (BST)
#'''No''' --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 23:04, 29 August 2011 (BST)
#'''Yes''' As we've seen, its sometimes desirable. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>03:13, 30 August 2011 (UTC)</sub>

'''Undecided''' --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 08:55, 4 September 2011 (BST)
===Locations in Requests will be Disregarded===
#'''Yes'''. It makes kills more difficult. The target can simply move away to invalidate the kill. --[[User:Colette Hart|Colette Hart]] 21:45, 29 August 2011 (BST)
#'''Yes''' "Bus" should be the only valid location.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 22:40, 29 August 2011 (BST)
#'''Yes''' --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 23:04, 29 August 2011 (BST)
#'''Yes''' ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>03:13, 30 August 2011 (UTC)</sub>
#'''Yes''' Make them optional. If the DN holders want the extra style points they can try to get them in location. {{User:Mazu/sig}}  14:13, 30 August 2011 (BST)

'''Passed''' --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 08:55, 4 September 2011 (BST)
===Idled Characters will be Removed After One Month===
#'''Yes'''. For the sake of maintaining the list clear. --[[User:Colette Hart|Colette Hart]] 21:45, 29 August 2011 (BST)
#'''Yes''' One month may be overkill though. Just remove them when they become MIA on the contacts system. 2 months without login is dead enough.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 22:40, 29 August 2011 (BST)
#'''No''' Maybe archive them somewhere, but don't remove them. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 23:04, 29 August 2011 (BST)
#'''No''' As Spidey. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>03:13, 30 August 2011 (UTC)</sub>
#'''No''' As Spider. Archive them somewhere. {{User:Mazu/sig}}  14:15, 30 August 2011 (BST)

'''Rejected''' --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 08:55, 4 September 2011 (BST)
===Voting Results===
Kill taunts will now officially be made optional.  Entries must remain on the Death Note for at least 12 hours before they can be claimed.  If an entry has a specified location for death, the location will be ignored.  Idled characters will not be removed from the Death Note.  The issue on idled characters needs to be discussed a bit further.  Those who voted against the removal of idled characters preferred if they were archived instead of removed.  The voting results on the removal of one's own entry is undecided.  We may need to press this issue again in the future should it turn up again.  Now if you excuse me, I need to come up with the wording for the three rules which have passed voting.  Time to brush up on the Anime/Manga rules and see which ones I can rewrite a bit for these three new rules. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 08:55, 4 September 2011 (BST)
:Talking to Josh Clark in irc right now, I just remembered I completely forgotten about adding the new rules...I'll get to that right now. >_< --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 03:04, 19 September 2011 (BST)

==A question about griefers==
Is there any rule to prevent griefers like [[User:Penguinpyro|this one]] to doing things like [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Desu_N%C5%8Dto%2FDeath_Note&action=historysubmit&diff=1932631&oldid=1932630 this]? --[[User:Colette Hart|Colette Hart]] 21:31, 29 August 2011 (BST)
:Uh...Let's deal with the above issues first.  If this issue you're bringing up becomes highly abused, we'll do something about that as well.  But for now, it really isn't too highly abused. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 21:42, 29 August 2011 (BST)
::Not too highly abused? That griefer is posting the names of all my alts with very insulting taunts. I call that highly abusive. --[[User:Colette Hart|Colette Hart]] 21:55, 29 August 2011 (BST)
:::[[Talk:Desu_Nōto/Death_Note#Heh|It's not a full blown war yet...]] --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 22:03, 29 August 2011 (BST)
::::It seems the problem has been resolved in a civil way. Still, there should be a rule to prevent mass-addition of names. Maybe one per day would be sufficient. --[[User:Colette Hart|Colette Hart]] 05:10, 30 August 2011 (BST)
:::::If the griefers abuse this to the point where it turns into a full blown war, we'll add the 4 per week clause into the rules. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 04:24, 31 August 2011 (BST)

==Already been done==

Raven Corvus - Killed after hearing the words, "Ahlek owns you!" has already been done [http://udwitness.oddnetwork.org/private/2011/05/udw-20110530-171145-391a8c5f4a6e6fd734252a767557176d-Raven_Corvus.html] Something more original and maybe a tad more truthful would be quite refreshing. --[[User:Raven Corvus|Raven Corvus]] 05:06, 30 August 2011 (BST)
:"Note to all Death Note Holders: If you claim a kill, strike out the target's name and place a screenshot of the kill next to it." Maybe you should add it to the Resolved list? --[[User:Colette Hart|Colette Hart]] 05:10, 30 August 2011 (BST)
::That guy's not on the DN Holder list though... --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 05:12, 30 August 2011 (BST)
:::Considering we're basically open to anyone I'd say as long as the requirements are met their membership doesn't matter in fulfilling the note.{{User:Mazu/sig}}  14:11, 30 August 2011 (BST)
:::: I realize that the kill came before the death note, and the one who killed me was not part of this part of the game.  Just saying '''BE ORIGINAL''' for feck sake.  Oh I was also taking a subtle jab at the person who posted my death note.  I mean gee what are the odds of the exact same quote being asked for?  I dunno maybe slim and none...... with Slim having left town a while ago. *wink wink* --[[User:Raven Corvus|Raven Corvus]] 04:19, 31 August 2011 (BST)
:::::[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Desu_N%C5%8Dto/Death_Note&diff=next&oldid=1932630 That would have been Penguinpyro] --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 18:01, 31 August 2011 (BST)

== Death Note and Manhunts ==

Quick point - using the death note against a fellow manhunter would obviously violate the rules of many manhunts (particularly the "You may not enlist the help of anyone not involved in this Manhunt" standard rule). During manhunts, what are you guys going to do about participating characters who are on the list? For example, Alex is on the list, and he'll probably be fairly easy to find during Red October, but will you temporarily disallow kills to keep in the spirit of manhunts?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 00:30, 31 August 2011 (BST)
:Its no different than having  a bounty on RG and participating in a manhunt IMO. As long as none of the Deso Noto member's alts are particapating in the manhunt I don't see too much of a conflict. Maybe having your location listed would be a bad thing but still isn'tquite a violation of enlisting outside help per se. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>01:17, 31 August 2011 (UTC)</sub>
::^What he said.^ --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 02:32, 31 August 2011 (BST)
:::I believe that the <s>jerk</s> good friend Hack has arranged the RG to be neutral during previous Manhunts events. I may be wrong, though. Anyway, comparing the DN to a bounty in the RG would not be correct in my opinion. A character won't have a bounty unless he/she makes a kill and someone reports it. But in the DN, practically anyone can write the name of a participant, out of spite or not, even if he/she is not a participant. I don't need to be a PKer to have my name written down, as that [[User:Axe Hack|<s>idiot</s> good fellow]] did. If it is a direct violation to the rules, I don't think so. But for good sportsmanship, I say it should be restricted. Just my humble opinion. --[[User:Colette Hart|Colette Hart]] 04:01, 31 August 2011 (BST)
::::Oh no I know they are not the same other than to compare them simply as outside sources. I don't believe either violates the "no outside help" rule, is all. Unsportsmanlike? Yeah maybe, rule breaking? Not so much. Anyway, Yon I believe most of the DN members have alt conflicts with RO2 and probably future manhunts so its likely that you can still hide behind the manhunt wall for a time. Just don't forget; ''So be it written, so must it be done''. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>05:51, 31 August 2011 (UTC)</sub>
:::::I still think that people participating in manhunts should be penalised for putting other contestants up in the Death Note. (This doesn't apply to RO2, which doesn't have the no outside help rule).--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 14:28, 31 August 2011 (BST)


Here's my simple opinion. When someone on the DN list is participating in the manhunt the only part of DN we could remove is the location part as it can be used to gain an unfair advantage. If popular opinion desires a pause on fulfilling the note then we can do that as well. Also participants shouldn't be able to put up other competitors names for the duration of the event.{{User:Mazu/sig}}  16:27, 31 August 2011 (BST)

==Questions about adding names==

So the character I was hunting down is killed, by myself or by someone else. The kill is successfuly claimed. Can I just add the name of the victim to the list again? Do I have to wait a certain period of time (A week, perhaps) before being able to add the name again? --The Holy Empress [[User:Colette Hart|Colette]] 22:13, 1 September 2011 (BST)
:Nope.  No time limit for adding names.  Not yet, at least. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 23:04, 1 September 2011 (BST)
::Again, it may be subject to abuse. I'd say a limit should be established. --The Holy Empress [[User:Colette Hart|Colette]] 23:23, 1 September 2011 (BST)

==Weapons to be used==

I've seen that many people are choosing specific weapons to have their victims killed with. While many of them have no problem, many choose weapons as Pumpkin and Tinsel, which are not available all the year and most DN holders likely don't have them. That gives some degree of invulnerability to characters, and [[User:Axe Hack|some unscrupulous people]] seem to be [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Desu_N%C5%8Dto%2FDeath_Note&action=historysubmit&diff=1933751&oldid=1933720 taking advantage of it already]. --The Holy Empress [[User:Colette Hart|Colette]] 23:23, 1 September 2011 (BST)
:They'll be available again.  Kevan hasn't missed a single holiday update yet.  Let's not forget I wasn't the only one to add a holiday item (see Al's entry for the death of one Leon Silverblood and Balalaika's entry of Spiderzed's alt).  Also, don't assume DN members don't have these items.  [http://iamscott.net/131483263543.html Some of 'em do], so it's not impossible to claim those kills. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 23:37, 1 September 2011 (BST)
::I'm not telling they won't be available again. It's likely. But keep in mind that most of these weapons are heavy, like pumpkins and Christmas trees. I don't believe anyone can have them all. And even if some do, why not making it fair and leaving the kill open for everyone? --The Holy Empress [[User:Colette Hart|Colette]] 02:44, 2 September 2011 (BST)
:::That entry of prudence is complete crap.  The Christmas trees can't be used as weapons, if I recall correctly.  Which means, that entry there follows the 4th rule: "The conditions for death will not be realized unless it is physically possible to do in Urban Dead."  Any death for prudence will suffice.  As for allowing non-DN Holders to claim kills, I believe [[Talk:Desu_Nōto/Death_Note#Already_been_done|the topic a few above this]], I think we've unofficially established that a non-DN Holder pulling off the kill will be just as fine, as long as the victim can validate that the kill took place after they were placed on the list. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 03:05, 2 September 2011 (BST)
::::Just letting you know that Christmas trees '''can''' be used as weapons. I had a screenshot, but can't find it... --The Holy Empress [[User:Colette Hart|Colette]] 03:08, 2 September 2011 (BST)	
:::::Fir trees can indeed be used as weapons (the ones gathered from parks, not the plastic variety from malls). They are bulky and crappy weapons, but they do damage as I have witnessed. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 03:11, 2 September 2011 (BST)
::::::Both [http://iamscott.net/1314929591627.html plastic trees] and [http://iamscott.net/1314929401838.html fir trees] can be used. (See my weapons list) --The Holy Empress [[User:Colette Hart|Colette]] 03:12, 2 September 2011 (BST)
:::::::Interesting.  I should really go pick up a tree for once this coming Christmas.  Also, someone needs to add this to the [[Decorative Items]] page, stat. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 03:16, 2 September 2011 (BST)
::::::::Pumpkins and I believe tinsel can also be stockpiled well beyond the 100% encumbrance limit. I once had 300+% encumbrace with about 20 pumpkins. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>03:19, 2 September 2011 (UTC)</sub>
::::I am a difficult person. I felt that prudence is hunto deserved some sort of obnoxiousness due to their normal nature. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 17:25, 2 September 2011 (BST)
:Is Death by Zombie a valid cause of death? --The Holy Empress [[User:Colette Hart|Colette]] 23:01, 2 September 2011 (BST)
::Bite, claw, headbutt.  They're all possible to do in Urban Dead, are they not? ;) --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 23:36, 2 September 2011 (BST)

==Bit of food for thought==

*if someone is specified to be killed in a certain location, and they will not be going anywhere near that location in the foreseeable future, does that make a claim impossible?
*What about actions that would take far more AP than is remotely practical with one or two killers? I.e. "being punched with fists 30 times" as part of the killing action. Is that also considered impossible?
*What about specifics limiting who can be the killer? I.e. specifics regarding name, char creation date, group affiliation, character class and other relatively un-modifiable qualities? Ludicrous, sure, but it might happen eventually. Will this kind of crap be allowed?

--[[User:Penguinpyro|Penguinpyro]] 09:43, 2 September 2011 (BST)

My thoughts:

Locations should be optional so there is no way for the victim to be safe and the kill can always be fulfilled. 

The Note is indiscriminate anyone can fulfill it (mainly to avoid someone getting all the workload or completely ignored). Now say you want [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=450527 a firefighter created in march 2006] to chop up the victim you can encourage a specific person(if you can find one with those qualities) to attempt to get the kill if you so desire. Can any of those things be required? For the sake of simplicity I'd say No. 

Only the kill shot matters. One because it is what everyone else sees and two to prevent some nearly impossible/annoying kills requiring 10 hp damage with with weapon 1, 2, 3 ,4 ,5 or solely punching someone to death.{{User:Mazu/sig}}  19:36, 2 September 2011 (BST)

:I say that kills should be kept as simple as possible to increase the fun. What's the point of having a list of ten possible victims if I can only go for three because I lack the weapons, resources or patience to get the other seven? Weird weapons and special circumstances may give originality to a kill, but when it gets too restrictive it isn't fun at all. --The Holy Empress [[User:Colette Hart|Colette]] 20:05, 2 September 2011 (BST)
::By restricting weapons, that kinda kills the purpose of Death Note.  Granted, this group is a semi-vague reference of the Anime/Manga series, but the current rules of the DN are mere re-writes of some of the [http://deathnote.wikia.com/wiki/The_Rules_of_Death_Note actual Death Note rules] from the Anime/Manga series, with minor to some changes in order to make it work with UD. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 21:03, 2 September 2011 (BST)
::ie: Rule 3 ("If the cause of death is not specified, the person will simply die.") and rule 4 ("The conditions for death will not be realized unless it is physically possible to do in Urban Dead.") are mere rewrites of [http://deathnote.wikia.com/wiki/The_Rules_of_Death_Note#How_to_Use:_I rule 4 of How to Use 1] ("If the cause of death is not specified, the person will simply die of a heart attack.") and [http://deathnote.wikia.com/wiki/The_Rules_of_Death_Note#How_to_Use:_VI rule 1 of How to Use 6] ("The conditions for death will not be realized unless it is physically possible for that human or it is reasonably assumed to be carried out by that human."). --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 21:09, 2 September 2011 (BST)
:::As much as I love Death Note, Urban Dead doesn't follow the same rules. Finding someone is already hard enough, and then having crazy or stupid requirements for getting a kill is just impossible. Sure, the RPing is nice. Makes the game original and fun. But there's no point in playing a game in which you simply can't follow the rules, don't you think?--The Holy Empress [[User:Colette Hart|Colette]] 22:04, 2 September 2011 (BST)
::::I still think weapon kill shot choices stay, taking that away takes away from the groups flavor. The only thing that should be optional is the location requirement because that is too restrictive. {{User:Mazu/sig}}  00:41, 3 September 2011 (BST)
::::Weapon: ✓.  Location: X.  I think that makes it perfectly clear. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 00:48, 3 September 2011 (BST)
:::::How about having limited weapons like Tinsel, Christmas trees and Pumpkins be allowed only in their available seasons? In other times of the year selecting them wouldn't have effect.--The Holy Empress [[User:Colette Hart|Colette]] 01:50, 3 September 2011 (BST)
::::::Let them choose their special weapons. Just means their kill might not happen for a few months.{{User:Mazu/sig}}  17:36, 3 September 2011 (BST)
::::::We'll remove those entries if Kevan fails to update during the holidays.  No holiday update = no special weapons. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 18:07, 3 September 2011 (BST)
:I'd like to return to what was previously asked. I think that it is agreed that locations can be disregarded, and that only the killing blow matters. But what about asking for specifics about the killer? Someone asked for a victim to be killed by someone wearing an specific outfit and having an specific status (infected and covered in fuel). Is that considered part of the taunt and thus can be omitted?--The Holy Empress [[User:Colette Hart|Colette]] 21:30, 4 September 2011 (BST)
::Optional. That's tedious, annoying and possibly impossible if required. {{User:Mazu/sig}}  13:59, 8 September 2011 (BST)

==Modifying conditions==

It's me again with another question. Can I modify the conditions of death of a name I've written previously in the Death Note? --<font face="Monotype corsiva">The Holy Empress [[User:Colette Hart|Colette]]</font> 03:12, 6 September 2011 (BST)
:That depends.  Are you modifying it to add stuff to it, or are you modifying it to change things like the weapon? --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 03:29, 6 September 2011 (BST)
::Yeah, things like weapons and taunts. --<font face="Monotype corsiva">The Holy Empress [[User:Colette Hart|Colette]]</font> 03:32, 6 September 2011 (BST)
:::So...What you're saying is you want to put in an entirely new entry completely, but you can't because your previous entry hasn't been carried out? --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 05:05, 6 September 2011 (BST)
::::No. I mean modifying my own previous entry. Perhaps I changed my mind about the weapon to be used, or the taunt is rather tasteless and I'd like to replace it with a witty joke. Is that possible? --<font face="Monotype corsiva">The Holy Empress [[User:Colette Hart|Colette]]</font> 06:12, 6 September 2011 (BST)
:::::I'm fine with it.  But let's see what others think, first. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 00:40, 9 September 2011 (BST)

== Zerg Hunting? ==

I noticed Josh Clarke just added names of zergs that had been harrassing Burchell Arms. Does the group really want to start hunting zergs? I don't like them any more than the next guy but I'm concerned it might encourage more zerging. Better to disallow use of the list for zerg hunting purposes I think.  ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>01:58, 14 September 2011 (UTC)</sub>
:Eh heh heh. *scratches his head* I kinda told Josh in Team Xtreme's irc room that adding them was fine.  A hit is a hit, right? --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 12:26, 14 September 2011 (BST)
::Oh ok. Can I take them down with a non-Desu Noto alt or does it have to be Faust to do it? Was never really clear on that. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>16:12, 14 September 2011 (UTC)</sub>
:::Well I'd say your DN char. If you use other accounts to fulfill the note that almost seems like zerging to me.{{User:Mazu/sig}}  17:15, 14 September 2011 (BST)
::::I guess the question really is if only DN members are allowed to fulfill the note. I think the question was posed above but never answered. If yes then I wouldn't use the non-DN alt to do the deed because, yes that would fit the technical description of zerging. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>17:31, 14 September 2011 (UTC)</sub>
:::::You can (and should!) hit those cheating zergers with as many alts as you like, provided you don't zerg yourself to do so. What only one determined alt can do is to collect the notes. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 21:48, 14 September 2011 (BST)
::::::Oh definitely if I see them and I have the capacity to do so those bastards are dead meat. I think I'll just leave them on the list, though. Last seen around Burchell Arms if a DN member wants to come collect. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>23:27, 14 September 2011 (UTC)</sub>

It's come to my attention that two of the Prudence zergs on this list are not qualified to be on this list (they're lower then level 10).  I would remove them as such, but then, I'm sure someone might bitch about it (I'm expecting stuff like, "Oh, Axe Hack supports zergs.  He even removed two of 'em from the Death Note just because they were too low a level.  Blah blah blah.").  So I'm putting this up to a vote.  Shall we keep with the rules and strike 'em as such, or shall we leave them there? --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 05:56, 1 October 2011 (BST)
:Oh, Axe Hack supports zergs. He's even considering removing two of 'em from the Death Note just because they're too low a level. Blah blah blah.<br>But seriously forks, the fella who plays thiz particular pair of Pru's is an utter fanny. He deserves everything he gets, so I'd suggest you keep him on. In fact, I'd go further and suggest you remove everyone ''but'' them, and rename the group '''Cunt Hunt'''. {{User:Kempy/sig}} 07:28, 1 October 2011 (BST)
:: Zergs, they cheat and feel the rules of the game do not apply to them.  So do not apply the rules of the game to them.  Problem solved.  --[[User:Raven Corvus|Raven Corvus]] 14:34, 1 October 2011 (BST)