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==Assumptions==
Once again, I've decided to write up a draft of a possible new implementation of the various Moderator Services pages. For the benefit of those attempting to critique the system, here are the assumptions I've used in it's creation.

# Moderators should be accountable to the regular users of the wiki
# Moderator actions should be entirely transparent - No moderation service should "sneak under the radar" of regular users.
# Further, the use of moderator privileges should be subject to clear, open guidelines, to assist moderators in knowing where the line of abuse is, and letting users understand what constitutes a moderation abuse. Moderators should have as little carte blanche as possible. I trust my fellow moderators, but I'd muchly like it if the User base had guarantees as to what we can be pinged for.
# Most if not all services should come at the request of users. The Wiki Way is supposed to be one of democracy, not aristocracy.
# As such, use of Moderation services should be built to be as open and simple as possible, so that any user can request these services in a timely and efficient manner.
# The various services should be under a more-or-less united system. This is a purely aesthetic reason, but assists in fulfilling #5. A united system, with more-or-less consistent procedures through the system, should help users in generalising their usage of one service to another, and encourage them to take an active interest in their wiki.
# The systems currently in place are not working because these assumptions are not being met.

I am aware that some of these assumptions may be idealistic given the reality of this wiki. I suspect that a well-built, clear system will go quite a long way towards the goal of an efficient wiki administration.

I welcome comments and questions.

: What do we have going in the way of guidelines for moderation? The current consensus seems to be that moderators will intervene in cases of vandalism only, but I've noticed a lot of insult-battles, userpage attacks, etc. lately... --[[User:LibrarianBrent|LibrarianBrent]] 06:02, 31 Oct 2005 (GMT)
:: Not our job, so far as I can tell. We're here specifically to prevent vandalism, to lock down pages in the event of protracted edit wars, and to delete pages if the community decides that it doesn't need them. Oh, and possibly assist in arbitration should two feuding parties decide that they want it. Anything else is up to individual users -- [[User:Odd Starter|Odd Starter]] 09:23, 22 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Would anyone on the wiki object if I began implementing this system? It's been a long time coming, and I don't think there's anything ''majorly'' different here - most of the services already exist, and those that don't are supposed to be our job anyway. -- [[User:Odd Starter|Odd Starter]] 09:23, 22 Nov 2005 (GMT)
:I'd say go for it, if any objections are going to spring up they're more likely to do it after you make some changes.  --[[User:Raelin|Raelin]] 09:52, 22 Nov 2005 (GMT)
::Right, the system is now up and functional. -- [[User:Odd Starter|Odd Starter]] 02:33, 26 Nov 2005 (GMT)


==Question==

This is just a question to the moderation team in general and I don't believe there's anywhere else to put this. Perhaps there should be a messages page or something.

I just got checked the wiki after all the exams (and a power failure) that I've had over the past week to find that I had been banned, or at least that a moderator had posted on my user and user talk page that I was banned. Since I was able to edit pages (namely removing the tag) I presumed that my ban was only short and it had expired. I'd like to know why I was banned and what it was that I did wrong, because I have no idea; that's all.

Thanks for your help. --[[User:Daxx|Daxx]] 00:27, 17 Jan 2006 (GMT)
:That would be due to [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Suggestions#Main_Page_RE:_Change this.]  People get ''annoyed'' at that sort of thing.--[[User:SA-TA-EK-Rumisiel|'STER]]-<font size=-3>[[User talk:SA-TA-EK-Rumisiel|Talk]]-[[Moderation|Mod]]</font> 20:56, 17 Jan 2006 (GMT)
::Moderation/Arbitration decision? I wasn't informed about that. What's going on there? Surely a user must be told about a moderator judgement? Obviously this is not standard practice, but it certainly should be. I can't be expected to comply with a Mod decision I don't know about, can I? I don't know about anyone else, but being banned for something I have no idea about strikes me as a little unfair. ''Note: I don't want this decision overturned or anything like that - it certainly doesn't bother me any more - but I would like to make sure no other user encounters the same thing. As you may well appreciate it was a bit of a shock to discover that I had been banned for an arbitration decision of which I had no knowledge. I'm sure other users would feel the same.''--[[User:Daxx|Daxx]] 02:32, 19 Jan 2006 (GMT)

== Changing Namespaces? ==

I'm very seriously considering moving the Moderation pages to the Project namespace (since they're more to do with the running of the wiki rather than being wiki content itself. We'd keep the redirects of course, but the main pages would be in the Project namespace. Any objections? -- [[User:Odd Starter|Odd Starter]] <sup> [[User talk:Odd Starter|talk]] • [[Moderation|Mod]] • [[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup> 00:42, 14 March 2006 (GMT)

:It's the way that six other wikis I've worked on have ran it. Whether that's a good thing or not is open to interpretation. {{User:Xoid/sig}} 15:34, 1 June 2006 (BST)

== possible userless user space. ==

[[Users:Ahote]] I do not think that person excists. If he does not, wouldn't that make the page open tod eleition and merging or vise versa or whatever? --[[User:Fullemtaled|ramby]] <font size=-3>[[User_talk:Fullemtaled#My_suggestions|T]]--[[Project Welcome|W!]] - [[Sacred Ground Policy|SGP]]</font> 16:33, 9 May 2006 (BST)
:Yup, that's right. And I've moved it to his correct userspace, and am now nominating it for speedy. {{User:Xoid/sig}} 12:31, 21 May 2006 (BST)

==[[Moderation/Bureaucrat Promotions|Bureaucrat Promotions]]==
I am starting a Bureaucrat promotions page for kevan, feel free to look over it and disscuss any changes on the talk page.--{{User:The General/sig}} 15:39, 1 June 2006 (BST)
:After the last debacle, is Kevan really going to trust another sysop again? We may need a bureaucrat, but that doesn't mean he would be willing to risk it again. {{User:Xoid/sig}} 15:44, 1 June 2006 (BST)
::I have contacted him on his talk page, and he agreed to it.--{{User:The General/sig}} 15:48, 1 June 2006 (BST)

I think debacle is a rather strong word.  If we had more than one active user bureaucrat, they could police each other, meaning something like that probably wouldn't happen again, and if it did it would be remedied just as fast, if not faster than the last one. {{User:Nubis/sig}} 15:46, 1 June 2006 (BST)

:I would say ''debacle'' was an appropriate choice of word; it wasn't exactly a minor infraction. That being said, I'm not trying to offend Odd, IMO it's simply a matter of fact. {{User:Xoid/sig}} 15:52, 1 June 2006 (BST)
::I have contacted him on his talk page, and he agreed to it.--{{User:The General/sig}} 15:54, 1 June 2006 (BST)
:::I noticed that, General, I was simply saying that I thought it an appropriate choice of word. {{User:Xoid/sig}} 15:58, 1 June 2006 (BST)
::::Sorry, I was just making sure.--{{User:The General/sig}} 16:00, 1 June 2006 (BST)

I know one thing, being able to do some shit like banning those fuggin' adbots is a blessing, but I do not want the responsibility of being a bureaucrat. {{User:Xoid/sig}} 16:07, 1 June 2006 (BST)
:Ok, then you don't need to nominate yourself.--{{User:The General/sig}} 16:39, 1 June 2006 (BST)
::<!--I was teetering on the edge of just replying "No duh.". Meh what the hell:-->"No duh.". {{User:Xoid/sig}} 16:49, 1 June 2006 (BST)

==Losing mods?==
Is it me or are we loosing moderators? I was just checking out the list of moderators on the new NexusWar site. And surprisingly there are about 2 Sysops with the same name as the ones on our list, also about 2 other of our Sysops have gone over to it. Any way, if that is the case that we are loosing moderators we need to do something about that. And for anyone wondering, yes I made an account on there however I only did so I could leave messages for some of the people. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] 11:00, 2 June 2006 (BST)
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:Losing my friend. ''Losing''. If we are losing moderators, I'm unsuprised. The attrition rate for MMORPG's player bases is quite high &mdash; few people stay in the one community forever, and many users jump ship quite often. This being said; UD's player base has been in steady decline for a long time. It's sad really, I quite enjoy this game. {{User:Xoid/sig}} 11:09, 2 June 2006 (BST)
::Hmm... yeah I enjoy it as well. I wonder just from a curiosity stand point if Kevan will release the source code if UD ends up with little to no players. It's just something that I'ld like to see as a programer. But I hope it doesn't come to that point. It'ld realy be a shame... - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] 11:24, 2 June 2006 (BST)
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There is a high turnover rate of moderators simply because of the nature of the wiki. There's so much drama that they get sick of it and leave. Plus, people simply become bored of the qame and move on.--{{User:The General/sig}} 11:45, 2 June 2006 (BST)
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:Ah fair enough then. That makes sense I geuss. Well I geuss I haven't realy been in any of the dramas so I don't realy know what it's like. Oh well thats life for you though. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] 12:02, 2 June 2006 (BST)
{{SpelingSmal}}
--<span title="I love the smell of banned vandal in the morning!">[[User:Cyberbob240|A Bothan Spy]] <sup>[[Moderation|Mod]] [[User:Undeadinator/WTFCENTAURS|WTF]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup></span> 12:06, 2 June 2006 (BST)
:lol, fine I retract my statement about not being in any dramas now. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] 12:25, 2 June 2006 (BST)
::If I just felt it was unfair for Bob to pick only one spelling error out. Particularly since The General made one himself. So I thought I'd go overboard and make it ridiculous. {{User:Xoid/sig}} 12:27, 2 June 2006 (BST)
:::I picked Jedaz's because he made the error twice - suggesting not just a typo but a genuine spelling mishap. And Jedaz: this isn't really drama - merely a joke that applies to all who slip on their keyboards. If this is the most serious drama you ever get into, count yourself ''very'' lucky. Seriously. Oh, a small tip for avoiding drama: avoid Scinfaxi, Amazing, Rueful, Rasher, Lucero Capell & Banana Bear like THE PLAGUE. --<span title="I love the smell of banned vandal in the morning!">[[User:Cyberbob240|A Bothan Spy]] <sup>[[Moderation|Mod]] [[User:Undeadinator/WTFCENTAURS|WTF]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup></span> 12:30, 2 June 2006 (BST)

::::Yeah, my error was a typos. Also, has anyone noticed that the template call for the spelling template is spelt incorrectly?--{{User:The General/sig}} 12:35, 2 June 2006 (BST)
:::::So it never ocurred to you that that might be deliberate? --<span title="I love the smell of banned vandal in the morning!">[[User:Cyberbob240|A Bothan Spy]] <sup>[[Moderation|Mod]] [[User:Undeadinator/WTFCENTAURS|WTF]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup></span> 12:36, 2 June 2006 (BST)

:::::It occured to me, but I just thought I would point it out.--{{User:The General/sig}} 13:42, 2 June 2006 (BST)

:::::It occured to me, but I just thought I would point it out.--{{User:The General/sig}} 13:43, 2 June 2006 (BST)

:::::It occured to me, but I just thought I would point it out.--{{User:The General/sig}} 13:43, 2 June 2006 (BST)

::::::Uh... not quite sure how to reply to that... --<span title="I love the smell of banned vandal in the morning!">[[User:Cyberbob240|A Bothan Spy]] <sup>[[Moderation|Mod]] [[User:Undeadinator/WTFCENTAURS|WTF]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup></span> 13:47, 2 June 2006 (BST)

::::::Oops! It duplicated my message 3 times!--{{User:The General/sig}} 13:52, 2 June 2006 (BST)

:::::::I was just waiting for the fourth one. One for each template, and here I thought you were just joining in on the inane banter I started? {{User:Xoid/sig}} 13:59, 2 June 2006 (BST)

::::::::Oh, (a bit late back to the conversation) hmm... I really should keep a check on my spelling of that word, lol. And yeah I know this isn't a real drama Bob, but with my relatively low profile I should be fine for the most part on avoiding real ones, lol (heres hopeing). - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] 14:12, 2 June 2006 (BST)
:::::::::I wish you luck. Truly. --<span title="I love the smell of banned vandal in the morning!">[[User:Cyberbob240|A Bothan Spy]] <sup>[[Moderation|Mod]] [[User:Undeadinator/WTFCENTAURS|WTF]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup></span> 14:13, 2 June 2006 (BST)

::::::::::Hey guys! New template: {{tl|adbot}}

:::::::::::--{{User:The General/sig}} 14:17, 2 June 2006 (BST)

::::::::::::I noticed, I'm still trying to find that picture of a robot that some tool uploaded. That and I'm desperately trying to convert the UGLY older style templates into the similiar, but infinitely better versions I made. (Yes, I ''am'' biased. :p) {{User:Xoid/sig}} 14:27, 2 June 2006 (BST)

== I have a question. ==
With advice from a mod, I created the early draft of the [[Urban Dead Timeline]]. I would like to put it somewhere where everyone can see it. Could you tell me where to put this? --[[User:Apex|Apex]] 21:07, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
:Not really sure. You could ask for it to be linked off the main page, I guess. Major problem with it at the moment is how it is ''not'' written from a NPOV perspective. –[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] <sup>[[Special:Listusers/sysop|M]]•[[User talk:Xoid|T]]•<span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.th7.net F]</span>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 01:51, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
::What's an NPOV? and where would I ask to put it on the main page? --[[User:Apex|Apex]] 11:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
:::NPOV — Neutral Point of View. Also, try [[Talk:Main Page]] or [[Template talk:Navigation]]. If you can make it NPOV and slightly more complete, it's almost a certainty to get on the front page. –[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] <sup>[[Special:Listusers/sysop|M]]•[[User talk:Xoid|T]]•<span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.th7.net F]</span>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 17:26, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I've been offline for a pretty long time, but now that I've come back my group, the [[Malton  Postal Service]] is gone, and our guild leader doesn't answer when I try to contact him.  The talk page is still there. If there is no 'history' which I should be aware of, could a moderator please revert to the last version of the page?  If there is one, would someone kindly fill me in?

Thanks much. [[user:JennyD'Arc|Jenny D'Arc]]<sup>[[User_talk:JennyD%27Arc|T]] [[Malton_Postal_Service| MPS]]</sup> 12:39, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
:I think you'll have more luck in the [[M/U|undeletions]] page (although don't count on it, they're getting heavy on groups that arn't updated regularly). You group was speedy deleted on [[UDWiki:Administration/Speedy_Deletions/Archive/Nov-2006#Criterion_12_Group_Pages_K-M|Nov 30]]. It's a policy that is being [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Alter Speedydelete Treatment of Group Pages|reconsidered ATM]] -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[User:Boxy/Locations|L]] [[PA Posse|PA]] [[Dead Animals|DA]]</sup> 13:04, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
:: Thanks, Boxy.  It's worth a try. [[user:JennyD'Arc|Jenny D'Arc]]<sup>[[User_talk:JennyD%27Arc|T]] [[Malton_Postal_Service| MPS]]</sup> 16:50, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

==Page Maintenance Requests==
Is it possible to add Move Requests to the list of [[UDWiki:Moderation#Page Maintenance Requests|Page Maintenance Requests]]. It should fall under there and I have a hunch that the only reason why it isn't there already is because it wasn't always a moderators job. [[User:Vantar|Vantar]] 04:11, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
:Done. Thanks for pointing that out Vantar.--''[[User:Gage|Gage]]'' 04:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

==Typo==

There's a typo for 'Bureaucrat Promotions'. Currently it says "Bureaucrat Promotions- A place for sysops can request Bureaucrat status." but it should either say "Bureaucrat Promotions- A place '''where''' sysops can request Bureaucrat status." or "Bureaucrat Promotions- A place for sysops '''to''' request Bureaucrat status." I'd do it myself, but the page is protected. [[User:Jonny12|Jonny12]] <sup> [[User_talk:Jonny12|talk]] . [[Wiki_%28Monitors%29%5Einfinity|w(m)^∞]] </sup> 00:02, 15 April 2007 (BST)
:Thanks for pointing that out.  I changed it to "A place for sysops to request Bureaucrat status".    --[[Image:ZombieSlay3rSig.png]]<sup>[[User talk:Zombie slay3r|T]]</sup> 00:08, 15 April 2007 (BST)


==Template expand size==
Hi all,

I'm currently working on improving a [[NecroWatch]] feature: Scout reports. Our new design, see for instance [[User:NWScout/The_Singer_Building|here]], uses quite a lot of templates (mostly copied from the suburb maps and similar).

On the NecroWatch overview page however, this causes the page size before parsing of the templates to become too big, see an example [[User:Itsacon/Sandbox|here]]. (Make sure to check the HTML source for that page)

For more information on this problem, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_limits this Wikipedia talk page].

My question: Is there a solution to this, or is will it simply not be possible to have all scout reports on a single overview page? The maximum size is currently rather small (300kb) (note, this is the pre-parse size, not the complete page size!), would it be possible to enlarge this to for example the Wikipedia setting of 2MB, or even to a more modest 1MB?

Regards, --{{User:Itsacon/Sig}} 13:37, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

==DHPD/The Dead Antagonism==

Not sure where is the best place to put this note but I just wanted to draw the attention of the sysops.  Last time The Dead and the DHPD had a big fight there was a lot of bad behaviour on the wiki.  We (the DHPD) are very anxious to avoid this, this time around and DHPD members have instructions not to rush around editing NPOV suburb pages and the like.  We are aware that someone with the handle of DHPD Officer 666 is doing this and that there has been some minor trolling of other wiki users.  None of it seems particularly serious at the moment but I'm assuming no one wants to see it escalate.  We are as sure as we can reasonably be that DHPD Officer 666 isn't a DHPD member though if evidence comes to light to the contrary please pass it on.  Similarly if you do have any problems with the behaviour of DHPD members on the wiki please pass it on to me and I'll see what we can do to deal with it.  {{User:Louise/PCatSig}} 09:36, 5 April 2011 (BST)

== possibly update? ==

could [[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct/Archive|this page]] be updated whenever any of you have time? {{User:Son of Sin/sig}} <small>06:38, 2 November 2011 (UTC)</small>
:ust Thad and YoKo, right? Updated. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 18:13, 2 November 2011 (UTC)